as to words, uh, is there as war crimes, i guess the people in palestine because as we, as, as we spoke earlier until a month ago, the american initiated the american nutrition ultimately the authentic line and the state department for asking you, these are the government to come up with approved for to improve the record on the question of hon. good one. the question will blocking k to the finish to be be flying medicine themselves? so after a month, the american officials said that they were satisfied. believe it or not, they actually said that they were satisfied with the situation even though people are starving and guys, even though the admissions organizations and agencies have told us that people are starving guys next and not in gaza, or they are extremely destitute over there. to the american ministration, the by didn't ministration has been listed in the genocide and guys end up on the have the on these right. he's not pulling the have a finance the is there any war on guys not going to have the she's the to be

is really need those problems. accountability around the world. they have also basically joined in, in the war when uh, cabinets meetings and these red flags blinking the likes. so hosted in the likes of even binding when he went through his run at the middle of the middle of october, 2023. he joined in the cabinet meetings basically to micromanage the war, so they are complicit. germans on of course complicit until recently the german 4 minister was trying to justify. is there any more crimes then you guys are using is radically shape slogans and sound bites that we all know by now that they are wrong, that they are used by these ranges or did you see the world see the german for the minister. advertising is really found by it is so embarrassing for you.

it's so embarrassing for the european main power like germany for continuing to cover up for his ride will continue to justify israel's war crimes and for continuing to shield it in the international audience. so i think a lot of them now i'm going to be quite embarrassed because of the i, c. c. took this monumental decision. thank you very much model on model and the shower is our senior political. i'm the assist just gone past 13 g m t. you're watching alger 0 and our special breaking news coverage of the international criminal court at the hague, issuing arrest warrants for israel's foreign minister, benny minutes now and former defense minister. you're off kalonde, for a crimes against humanity. in guy's eyes also issued an arrest warrant for hi my stadium. i'm a day for israel says it killed back in july the i c. c. accusing it to y'all and galant of war crimes, including using starvation as a method of war, fed, and crimes against humanity. such as murder, persecution, and inhumane packs,

the court says to let you know, and galani knowingly defined guys a civilian population of food, water, medicine, and fuel. it also says that by presenting humanitarian assistance, israel failed to fulfill its obligations under international humanitarian law. while we have a team of correspondents bringing us the latest on this breaking news story, set boston is in amsterdam. edwin, hold in london, and we'll have reaction as well from gemini, and i'm on step. let's start with you. remind us of what the i c. c has said, when issuing these arrest warrants and why have they come now? yes, it's been exactly 6 months. and one day since the prosecutor caught him con, requested these arrest warrants, and there were a huge delays in the process. and now when a lot of people really didn't believe it was ever going to happen now today,

they have issued these arrest for ones. and what is the and they tell you all and gallano of accused office, what you just described as a crimes against humanity and war crimes at the war, crime of starvation as a method of war free or the crimes of humanity of murder, persecution, an order in you may ex, uh for the how much lead a dave these uh, accusations are related to the event on october 7th, and the fact that there are a horse hostages has been taken. what is interesting is that the court also says that these or arrest warrants are basically issued in secret, but they think it's important to make them public. because v x that's of these leaders are accused of still on going. and they want to also people who are victim of these crimes to know that these arrest warrants are being issued. so now the question is, when can this arrest being the taken place? because now the 125 members phase of the i c have the legal obligation to detain

anyone who has been an arrest warrant issued against them. right? so there's a legal obligation for those countries that are party to the rome statute to issue to these arrest winds do to make them happen. what are the next steps here, even if they're not arrested, let you out and kalonde, they will be a trial, right? and there will be a trial, and this is of course, a major step forward for the i to see there was a lot of pressure on the i c, c to prosecute the even agent when he issued or requested this arrest one set that he really hopes that any threats and intimidation against the court would stop. and there have been a lot of threats and intimidation against the court against people who are working for the card. but also anyone related any, any witnesses have been under a lot of pressure. so the question is now how much also, for example,

the netherlands as the host nation of the i, c c can for the tech, this whole process because they are not responsible for making sure that this whole process will, will continue safe and secure. and there's also the question of course that this of this course case will, will need to be developed and i'm really be taking place and partially so this is a very interesting and very important question which needs to be answered next. okay, thank you very much set for the moment set boss and life force the and i'm saddam. let's get reaction now from him. the son who's, who's in a mines capital jordan, because his rats preventing out his air from revolting from within israel and the occupied west bank. there's been a great deal of reaction from within israel from the national government, but also from the opposition and the will, the opposition were actually the 1st to respond to the news with

a flurry of post on x, formerly known as twitter or saying that these are shameful things that the i c, c has done saying that his role is fighting a just a n moral war. but the tone from nothing yahoo is coalition from the national security minister, the housing minister, administered in the prime minister's office as well as the transportation minister . have all taken a different note saying that the i c. c is an anti semitic body, but the shouldn't come as a surprise. this is rhetoric we hear from is really a fee shows all the time about international institutions, especially when there is some sort of consensus against israel, saying that his role is not acting according to international law. on each of our bank. we're the country's national security minister, a known ultra national as someone who has a lot of power in the us and yahoo government went so far as to say that the answer to these arrest warrants should be applying is really sovereignty over the entirety of the occupied westbank expanding illegal settlements throughout the entire

country and also what he is calling a terrorist entity. the pals to me and authorities saying that they are the ones who need to be sanctions. so this just gives you an idea of how these really government is reacting to this. but again, it shouldn't come as a surprise given what we have heard from is really politicians throughout the last several months when this idea of the arrest warrants was even introduced. and how might israel respond now following the issuing of these arrest points? it might have been given. busy has been quoted as saying that the response should be that is, rout imposes sovereignty over all areas of the westbank and strength. and settlement is what might we see israel doing as a result of all of this? well look, if there's one thing we've learned from the last 13 months is that a lot of the statements from is really politicians have become predictable. and that means that you know,

what is roles policy is they have maintained that they are fighting this war for their self defense. they have maintained that they are fighting a, just more a moral war that they are going to continue no matter what, saying that they are a captive, that they still want to release from guns. and that's part of the reason why the war is ongoing, but not taking into account the mass civilian casualties, the massive death toll, the displays, the starvation, and all of the other atrocities we see on the ground. so what we could expect to happen next is actually for israel to continue fighting this war. i mean, just yesterday you had prime minister benjamin netanyahu, along with his new defense minister, israel kept touring, gone. so with these really military saying that they have a cheap, significant accomplishments in certain area, but the war is clearly not over. and at this hour, i want to mention that the prime minister is actually meeting with the us special envoy to the middle east to try and discuss some sort of ceasefire agreement in the north with his ball law. but beach idea of a ceasefire in gaza? is it still not?

there mediators have said that both parties are not serious about it, that israel still wants to do the war that it still wants to fight this war. it says that it is not finished. have goals of the weren't wants to accomplish, but this has been a war with little to no military achievements thus far. come to thank you for the bombing time desktops in amman, jordan, this crossover, to gaza, and speak to him. the whole jerry, who's outside of likes, hospital in del bloss central garza and the i, c. c has also issued iris warrants an arrest warrant for momma dave. the leader of guys i was believe to be the seas. israel claims he was killed though. there's been no confirmation office killing by him. us what, what is the reaction there? what has a mindset about these arrest warrants the was, haven't this has been a now and just kill my that is ready for says in july 2024.

and he has not been a period or featured, or any news outlets. and we have not heard from him since that time. but according to palestinians here on the ground kind of thing, is there not any change? and if this, i see the warrant did not do anything on the ground, does not stop the moscow during the ford starvation and also the ford displacement from place to another. this means nothing to palestinians were talking about more than one year, more than one year where policy use are being displayed, place one another being deprived from food medicine a, an even healthy drinkable water. as i'm reporting right now inside the, you know, out of the hospital in the central area, there are thousands of policy, news, tribe is and another. and also strip under us varies to speech for more than 40 days without food and water. and yesterday, upside movie was, was targeted,

where 66 policy news were killed. there are dozens of policy new still trapped under the robots. there has been no civil defense themes, no ambulances, no paramedics, and no one is able to rescue or even pull those bodies of those who are trapped under the robots. the situation has been very hard the nothing causal, sir. but even here in the central area policy, news have been squeezed into this very small line. not only that of an hour ago, that is where the forces start use it. that makes it come where $2500.00 tons were actually burned down and they are on the boat for pilots and use to shelter anymore . so where ever palestinians are going and sheltering there have been being targeted by these really forces by that is really quite copters. and even earlier today, an area that was say, this ignited the safe human to target area by the is really forces which is milwaukee. new and this was also targeted and

a policy in use were killed. so palestinians have been striving to find food. there have been striving to find water. and the same time there have been escaping from areas to an areas and wherever they go. there have been targeted. so again, this is not the 1st time that i to see issue such words, not the 1st time. there has been a lot of resolutions, but as long as this doesn't change anything on the ground, this means nothing to the poly for this, but this is so significant, though hinge, i mean, you haven't used really need to wanted by the international criminal for, for crimes that he's committed in that he continues to commit in the gaza strip today. shortly. people must feel some sense of justice perhaps happening. so of the, well, i think the population of gods that doesn't know any, any meaning or any definition of what justice is for more than a year. now policy needs have been killed. we're talking about more than $40000.00

policy news being killed. we're talking about hundreds of thousands of palestinians being injured and not being able to receive any kind of treatments. we have been seeing families being separated. we have been seeing families losing everything. they have residential homes have been completely wiped out. and policy means lost everything they haven't the same time, they're being trapped the seeds deprived and food, deprived from water, the price of medicine and even a, the situation is very hard on every policy news and all the policy needs are feeling right now. our grades are exhausted, they're depressed all they're looking for and all they want is something to end this war on the gospel. sure. as soon as possible, policies do not have anything as to lose and everyone in the gaza strip don't believe that there's any safe area. they believe that where every the go, they're going to still be a targets in, in, in, in, across the gulf. us report here and all of the hospital in the hospital, which is the hospital has been targeted for more than 9 times. and most of the huts

facilities were also being out of service because they were either damaged brand or also targeted by the is ready forces. so palestinians and got the do not know what justice means anymore. they have been calling it feeling the international community for, for a year now to end this war. but is there anyone listening? that's what every single time we talk to policy news here. they're telling us, is there anyone listening to us? will anyone stop this war? and we are left without any answers to their questions because we have been reporting about this for, for more than a year now. and we do not see any changes on the grounds, but we're also seeing more escalation, more math getting in more force starvation and mass displacements. so a mutate reaction from palestinians in the gaza strip because they're not seeing any changes to the predicament in to the situation in the gaza strip. thank you. hands for bringing us the latest, the, from the guys on what we have some reactions before i bring in this. so you'll see

bailey and we just had reaction from how mos, uh, these dynamic resistance movement from us, which has welcomed the issuing of these arrest warrants by the i c. c, against what they called a terrorist 20 minutes now. and you all have kalonde on charges committee of committing will crimes and crimes against humanity. have mass co uh, adding that they call on the i c. c, to expand the scope of his targeting of accountability to all criminal occupation leaders, ministers and, and what they say are fascist offices who shed the blood of policy and people and practiced against and the most heinous acts of killing terriers, installed ation, known to modern history. so the initial reaction there from us welcoming these arrest warrants that way should by the i c. c, against the israel's foreign minister and the former defense minister. let's not bringing mr. you'll see, bailey was a former is really justice minister and initiator of the also piece processing the

early 19 ninety's. mr. bailey. thank you again for joining us. when we spoke about an hour or so ago, you said that this was a sad day for israel. no, don't, of course it is a said the day when a o'brien minnesota is indicted. indeed the mission, i'm a to quickly not a cold a. i mean they, they, that this is really a reaction, a, the official lives in the official and maybe maybe the media or this music or most and say, what's the big the a, it's almost like the buddies, the now reaction. what's the big the but it is a big deal. it is a big deal that we cannot ignore it. it never happened. a to a to is read, never happened to a democracy to the best of my a memory and a we should think it very seriously. it is also a introducing the,

the difference between the mouse, which is a terrorist organization and, and being old or the, but it's been, you know, so we need to put a thing on. so it the, which was frustrated by the fact that there were no serious negotiations with easy way decided to they cannot do goals and day to a fee to day that you've been there should not a goals and things like that. what, how much is that to a, to reason how mazda is now in a very, very big day shape. and i think that they full a folder, but as daniel, i'll certainly be, it gives them the treatment. i cannot say it'd be happy with them because it is against the height. pregnant is the a that they can at least appreciate that the that they do have and the other way to have influence. and nobody will tell me that the decision of to day of the gold would not be influenced a us. we may say no, it is not the problem. well,

these imbalance then all these things. but one way the, when it influence in what ways, when it is in the language, when you say that dismissed is and then we are seeing. and the reactions, notably from prime minister that's now is office, which has said that the decides you see, voiding is anti semitic. uh, you know, a statement that they use very often when rejecting accusations against israel engine one ways now will this change israel's behavior? what i cannot tell you will that i know they exactly, but for example, and i think that there might be voices, especially in the, in the very extreme right of the government to have that gauge the but as you know, so it is a because it gives behind these a, a, a on the other hand, a i, i think that people, we take twice

a best think about it twice before they, they, they calls a house, a steps. and the people will understand that we have a solid email a who doesn't, which doesn't like us, but they is ready to talk and to a, to solve the problem in other ways. and that the, the claim of when it done, yeah, we make it after the crazy mess. okay. all of october the 7th by hum us a well it, which was or that, but it didn't use all the same. know how much snow up bus was moses. so what happens now, i mean, whether or not they are arrested, mr. blonde and this is now they will be a try. now at the i c, c. and when we spoke earlier, you said that you believe gallano should attend. this trial should go to trial.

will he or you should go seemed to read. this was gonna say the read i'm, i'm a, i wasn't minister of justice i, i was but i'm not the lawyer. and the yes to both sides lawyers and the to see whether there is a chance a to really a present his case in gold a, which is the, is really a case after the mexico. and i think that he has to, to refill to do a, a fix, a blue chip. and since then, including, for example, defense to come us is noting the default and they, they, they, him for the police doing is and taking money for these for the lloyd is given full free and the whole story of both. now, what is happening a week, they say who you meant a assistance to that, but it's been using as a, he's a very big issue and that he can explain it better than any other person. so why do

you might have to say no book. you need to do a, a show he's case a i believe that people read tell him that it is the last case. and the cold way to get into is really and whatever. and it is also a person i've made to a freezing di did. and if it has to a go to cold a, he might find himself in a very embarrassing situation at the end of the day of this process, right? i think the usual issue, the really think about it, serious 11 of the, the charges against these really need is, is using food does as a weapon of war in this case. and, and we all recall kalonde at the beginning of the conflict of saying that they would be no food, no water, no age into the gaza strip after the october the 7th attacks. so you wonder how he would be able to defend himself against such a charge when the proof is that,

is that the, the, his voice a sound bite is there of that? well, it is, it is an important example, but i can tell you a minute. it's being, he's, she's a little yeah. that the things like dead well said immediately after the day they, mexico, we really well, you know, even possible situation. but he was the one who allowed folding and walked in and all these things later on very soon afterwards. so what, what day she can prove is he's beats not only what he said, and what he said was a or false and mistake. he said banning, thank you very much for the moment. uh for speaking to us and giving us the view the from israel. you'll see bailey enough for me is really justice minister joining us from tel aviv in just the last few minutes. the dutch news agency is quoting the netherlands for administrative say that the netherlands is prepared to act upon

the icy c arrest warrant for these really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and also reaction from france, the foreign minister there saying that that the rest warrant against them to you all will be in line with icbc principles that there's been quite a few reactions. let's bring enjoying a whole. busy in london to talk to us about all of these reactions jonah, as well, there's not as yet been any response, full acknowledgement from the british government to the fact that these warrants have been issued. the one imagines when it comes, that would be an anticipated list. it was pretty clear these words were coming when he comes. he will be along the lines of the ducks government in the netherlands because of course, brittany is a signatory to the i c. c, as he's every country in the european union. and therefore obliged to follow through all these warrants if indeed is ready. the problem is to this in the. ready

form of defense minister, you have gone to work to set foot on the british oil. they would have to be arrested for the context in all of this. as far as the u. k. perspective is concerned, go back to may. when kareem khan issued his basis for these warrants pretty swift, they off to which they then conservative government here in the you can the receipts it and gave notice that it intended to legally challenge that notion on the basis that the i c. c. it said didn't have jurisdiction of it is riley citizens, israel not being a signal treat that was heavily encouraged and supported by the 5 that ministration . the us also noticed signature who would not seem to see these warrants come to pass, but when his dom or the new labor government came to power in july, a very early order of business was to reverse that policy announcing. formerly they had no intention of launching any legal objection on the basis of the separation of powers. essentially, this was a matter for the court and for the chief prosecutor said the forward office here, which is not of course the same thing is saying that the u. k supports these

warrants, they then in september went a little bit further enticing, you know k policy towards these route by revoking a number of bombs export licenses under pressure for a full arms embargo across the world. at just the tips, 350 licenses with band at that point, and they attracting the honor of mister netanyahu at the time is at the cables and boldly is rose and amazed. but none of this at least publicly did anything to undermine the fact that the you guys still sees as well as a key allied one to which others support ra. this was a so the political cost correction for the labor party that really needed to do so . having lost quite a lot of support in the run up to the election for not having come out against israel sooner trying to thank you very much for bringing us reaction there from europe during a whole live there in london. joining us now as we continue to cover this breaking news story, the international criminal court issuing arrest warrants for israel as a prime minister and its former defense minister as well as how my cedar mamma dave

for joining us. his most offer by go to the secretary general of the policy and national initiative is joining us from my life in the occupied westbank. mister bar . go to you what. what is your reaction to this news today as we uh and on palestinian z? a. absolutely. when comes, this is a notion of the, this decision of the international criminal records. it's, it's very justified decision. and it didn't spell. this thing is a little of justice in the middle of this type of, unless i couldn't, we are subject to, to, by israel. it's a very important decision, and we hope that this decision will encourage the international court of justice to speed up the process of discussing and couldn't find them in the, the crime. what was on the side that was committed by israel. and we believe that this is a notion of the international criminal court. opens the door for very wide sanctions

against is, are not the only it opens the door to, for a, at a sting, the, to claim that the criminal 0 not anyhow on grant. but also it opens the door to sort of similar to other cases against. is there any thought joe does? is there any officers will participate and then the crimes that we have confirmed by this international criminal court. it's a very important decision. and the thoughts on wisdom, governments, without exception in front of the challenge, when many of them continue and this the fed up and by us to is what i and even when it is going to take a lot of times, they will abide by international law. and by that is a nuisance of the international court. very interesting that you pointed to that because we've already heard from the netherlands for administrative saying that the netherlands is for pet act upon the i. c. c. arrest warrants against 5 minutes. smith. now also the use of for joseph morales saying that these arrest warrens are

not political and that the courses should decision should be respected and implemented. what do you make of that? is absolutely, i think this is something we will come a lot. and that means that we are beginning to see a correction of the international behavior uh, the by these statements from france that i'm hold on now by 2 inches of put in the we, we also agreed to the, the cottage of the international criminal court. judges who uh, who did not been on the american for the shuttle terms. i made a congress which threatened to have sanctions against them. in my opinion, this is even bigger than that is a notion what's happening. you know, it wouldn't open the door for 7. so sorry that the world wide pressure government still immediately exercise 2 things. festival total and complete military embargo

and israel. and 2nd sanctions, the boy divestment sanctions against those that are in sort of committing these would crimes. the court does not only decide to address nothing your own government applaud. so decided that could be many crimes have happened. the world could i am stuff happened that could i am against the humanity has happened and that's will have a very big important impact. this is really i thought it could be not sort of the court. it's a black to date for the visitor and for it's fascist government. that's committed all these crimes, the francesca albany is a, the un special robert tore a saying, though that the international community should brace for the potential repercussions of this decision today. and that she asked if they, they must work together to ensure that there is accountability. we've already heard a very furious reaction from a number of these really need is. uh it's my been give you, you're saying that the, the response to these arrests wines should between post sovereignty over old areas

of the occupied westbank and strength and settlements in the occupied westbank. do you fear mister bog ot of what might come next? just and, and these really response to these arrest wants, what are the, what is that i, li, fascist need. those lex northridge and nothing you know, before, to be viewed as smoke about immediately unexplained, goes back and putting good on the table before the time comes to the bar. and the, these intentions have been declared by being we have several times before. so i think the, this thing is that he wouldn't need the issue with that is there, it is actually from waterford, ireland, by committing give you another good one time before you let and compassion a little dynamics, things ok by 30 threes. and but more important than that, all these are the actions for them. is there any minister, even those who claim to be on the side will be like, uh, you would have guessed a few minutes ago. and all of that shows that what do we need here?

it was, is that freshest? is there any system that includes not only ministers in the government, but also those who are in this scenario position with the so shameful that they continue to defend nothing. you know, and the guidelines and all the criminals and, and, and in reality that shows us that really when we speak about fascism and those are and it is unprecedented, it does not on the, in the government. it is also i'm on goal is there is i in a spot is and that leaves a lot of things to think about. which me, it also means that is what it and will not be of this thing unless sanctions imposed because now we're talking about apply uh, entity about a, a state out of state that is violating every international and is going to think that but unless it goes on crimes against understand people. mr. bog ot thank you very much for joining us and for your reaction on i'll just say almost half about go to use the secretary general of the policy and national initiative live the from from i love it. you're just joining us on algae 0 is gone past 1330 g m t. and we

are covering a breaking news that this our international coming to courts at the hague, issuing arrest warrants for israel's foreign minister. benjamin, it's now and form of defense may start you off guidelines for war crimes in gaza is also issued and the rest for and for how mazda is leader mohammed j for israel says it killed in july, back in july, the i c. c a. he's is miss now and go on to war crimes, including using starvation as a method of will fair and of crimes against humanity such as matter persecution and in you may not the course as much know and kalonde knowingly deprived guys of civilian population of food, water medicine and fuel, it also says that by preventing humanitarian assistance, israel fails to fulfill its obligations under international humanitarian law. while there's been a number of reactions to this decision by the i c. c, i'm us has issued a statement of just

a short while ago saying that it welcomes the issue. and so these arrests were inspired. the international criminal court against benjamin this out. and you off kalonde on charges has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity. the statement goes on to call on the international criminal court to expand the scope of his targeting of accountability to all criminal occupation leaders, ministers and fascist officers, or shed the blood of policy and people and practiced against them. the most heinous acts of killing terrorism and starvation known to modern history. and there's been a number of reactions from europe as well. let's bring in dominic cane who's in berlin? dominic, what's the reaction in germany? first is monitoring the social media or accounts of the shots, some of the foreign minister and other government ministers, they have not responded yet. rather as jonah was saying about the british

government response. so here in germany to that seems to be a degree of reticence trigger, they all discussing this behind closed doors, but so far at least no immediate comment. the point is to make several points. the 1st one which is really relevant to the german government. on the 6th of august, i filed documents with the i, c. c, in the guise of what's called a latin. i'm a coast curia, i, a friend of the court where they cited 2 specific articles. all the rooms statute complement are complementarity. that's a difficult for me to get this thing effectively. but under the statute of room that a nation state, a member of state seeking a treat to the statute, has to be allowed to investigate any offense or crime, or alleged defense or crime that might be in front of the i. c. c. that has to be done by the nation state 1st. secondly, under optical 18, they then say that's the attack on the 7th of october of 2023 was such as to

require the i c. c to allow israel a great deal more time to investigate. as a nation state, that was their argument effectively. it was a way of trying to put the, to push this whole thing into the loan growth as it was to make it take a great deal more time. that was the official government view from the german government. on the 6th of august, i was curious, a friend of the court trying to delay this development as far as they could. okay, and thank you uh for that dominey dominique kane lives in berlin. let's get the legal perspective and, and speak now to jeffrey robinson, who's the human rights barrister and former united nations war crimes judge is joining us from london. thank you very much, mr. robinson for being with us on algebra. as we've heard from a various correspondence there, there was a great deal of pressure on the icy seat, not to issue these arrest warrants against the farm. it is mateo and former defense

base. are you off kalonde? why have they done so now? a because they're independent, the judges who understand international more, even if germany doesn't b point he's is miss didn't, they can guy who's being prosecuted for using starvation as a weapon of war and importantly, being prosecuted for in discriminate bombing of raising residual civilian areas. now is that to me, cold and charge because let me bring that into mary good. being very reluctant to allowed as a more crime, although he explained me is version because dresden, a bomb dressed in to 24000 civilians. it's been very embarrassed about that ever since about the closing guys of 43000 civilians when you and the

children have already been killed. how about mister netanyahu? we late be able to gauge across and to just said to say, oh, let's walk through that to be we could the attack would be a have mass. may you know? ok, but the set them right? but it will be for the court to decide whether the re, greeley is a portion of their being lawful cases, however, is with this kill a to your 19 with g. c. v. caps in order to, to run have mass fine to use that propulsion. i do think of mo, from most of the would say, say, but this is in question for international chapters who are not, who, who are independent, they've said, and mr. nathan, the who would be to us rand, he would be not required to go to present in the netherlands and give him failed as

they gave failed to the president obtain you when he was involved. so i years ago, you know, prostitution whether or not i surrender to mr roberts or whether or not, but i surrender. they will still be a trial right. a new day was because unfortunately, the international court has no power to run the trials in the same shop that he has done it should have, but he doesn't say a new trial. real good. ednas missed the name. you know, if he decides that it should have been, he's going to bring up the suite himself and he's a lawyer when it takes place and him get over to die. but he may simply laurie was president trump who was tried to rick p i c. c. america isn't the body to reason the 124 countries. uh huh. and they have,

who'd have been choosing to the risk destination? yeah. do. if he didn't come fly. okay. the good, let me just clarify that one more time to get in the territory. let me clarify one more time because we, we had a previous guess, another legal expert who told us that, regardless of whether it's now, when kalonde showed up at the hague, they would be a tri, you'll say they won't be a tried and i've sent you an e mail, they would be with those the they didn't have new power for trial going up century, but they, they called mr. booth and they've been died today with kidnapping children. and there's not much drugs that he will turn off unless he's a room and they will be a truck. so he was not very explicitly blake's the time we paid. but the question is, i suppose we just, what the new trump administration would do, we try to rate the court at the end,

the cups last to buy, sanctioning the judges, the prosecutor, and even the american lawyers who are working for it. but to, to know what the result will be, but it's not a member of the quote to good. can go ahead and do this. didn't mention you guy who does not turn up to trial. then he will be an intern that shows you to do the risk and wait 20122 countries that it should he visit. so it would be an irony that would lead to, of israel denies and hide from a goal which was sent out basically because of the whole course because of when you get a follow up from newer. and the idea that those who commit crimes against humanity

should be built. please give me a slide for the next night. let me ask you, mr. robinson. me. yeah, let me ask you about the i c c s. jurisdiction and you have experience in this of course, because these readings had filed to legal rece, challenging the, the course jurisdiction. and arguing that the court did not give israel the opportunity to investigate the allegations itself before requesting via the rest forring's or what the investigation are. they going to do, i have put mister netanyahu 100 risk in israel. i didn't think so. look at the wrinkles. it was a terrible crime. wiping out in a cardboard a couple of months ago. and the people who, who had commissioned g h. the offices who negligently gave the

order what we're allowed to retire in the guys that conflict didn't 2011. when a 1000 go. so have the students who had to new one was part of the country didn't to i think that it's a really fine the scott to say that this case called go before would be i c c. because israel really because investigate this, do not wish to galactose. well, we'll knock and i see the evidence is quite clear on that quote, but there's been that, you know, who has a defenses. he can see the casualties merely collateral damage of his right to so defense up to the horrible events of, of the truth. but the sim that's possible, i mean he has to be user a defense to see from refugee camps truly

a to 9 g g use in order to do one, have mass terrace. is that proportion to identity from or below? so, but we'd think so would i be interested to know what war crimes judges would rule? so that's the importance of beach. okay, getting ahead. think of my president. we haven't developed a war crimes trial. it has to be a precedent. they should have been one when richard and the married bone, dressed and killed the ladies begins the day to have 24000. and now these relative clause as q 44000 cousins, many of them children. so it's time that there's the roofing event, which we watch on television every night. so, okay,

this is the world today where civilians are being bombed by russia, by the israel, by forces in sudan and then 2 pools. and we need to have some war crimes trial presidents too, as well. the low is mr. robertson. thank you so much for inside. thank you for speaking to us about this jeffrey robertson is the human rights virus that joining us today from london. let's get more reaction now from the side of who was in amman, jordan jordan, where there's been a reaction from the jordanian government hemmed up. but for us, tell us about the reaction from the is there any time in his office? well these really prime minister's office releasing just a short initial reaction saying about the i c. c's decision is quote, anti semitic. but this is something we expected. this is something these really

government has been saying for some time. and since the initial decision, the initial idea rather was floated about these arrest warrants several months ago . israel said it would do everything in his power to fight against it. but here in jordan, we have the top diplomat jordan, sorry, joseph burrell on a 2 day visit to jordan, meeting with the country's foreign minister. i am on his cell for the and in a joint press conference just moments ago, both leaders saying that this decision that should be respected, the jordanian for administer saying that the palestinian people deserve justice. and joseph morales saying that this decision was not political. this decision by the court is based on evidence that was presented, that was examined over the course of several months. so they're saying that anyone who is part of the i c. c. i knew anyone that is part of that jurisdiction should implement this decision, should be part of the implementation of these arrest war. and should i there is

really leader to be in that country and uh, what about the regional reaction? uh huh. and there's been one from jordan where you are a well this is shirley, a decision that will be welcomed by many states within the region because they have been staunch supporters of the palestinian cause even before the war on gaza. but specifically, jordan, they have said that this war has gone on for far too long, that the palestinian people deserve dignity and respect. neither of which of course they are getting, especially in this war that is regarded as a genocide, you have more than 43000 palestinians who have been killed and in jordan, specifically, they have been quite outspoken about is really leadership and how they have handled this war 13 months on, so within the region, this is shortly a decision that is going to be welcomed, especially because this is

a war that has gone on for so long with so much, immense suffering and clearly still no end in sight. yeah. and the donating for administer um a months of body saying in the last few minutes at this decision by the i c, c must be respected and implemented. thank you very much. and for bring escalate to the from. come on, let's spring in my one bush. our senior political analyst, once again my, when i think we've had time not to digest the news, we've had the initial reactions. what do you make of what sun folded so far? the reactions from these radius from the region, and also the europeans, including browse, saying that the i, c, c's, decision must be respected and implemented. what does this suggest to you about how this might go? there's no doubt that the just that but it allows come a long way and he can be easily contrasted with the secretary state of the united states in the sense that uh, but as it it presents the european union just following policy. and it has

a position on the genocide that brought assigned is always war crimes. and by this time are quite extraordinary in comparison to those all to the american officials. but the quick reminder, uh, relating to this very particular decision, this monumental decision in this extraordinary day by the i c. c, is the zip. what i had, it was one of the earliest officials in the world to underline that is right that, sorry, that guys uh, was indeed uh, living telling me that it was in fact uh, being starved by his ride. i mean, he said this is not in a, this is the president. so the highest a hold of you for foreign policy, by your opinion, incorrect directly my several months ago. that is that and was using a hunger as or a bit of what it was as well, what fundraising hunger. so it's important that you will be in union. in contrast,

with united states, or in fact a or as a weighting factor. it comes out to such a clear statement about the importance of this decision today. that doesn't mean for the and again, we agree. you must emphasize that again and again, this doesn't mean the set to model uh the, the hungry is going to be fed in gaza. it doesn't mean that the more friends are going to, uh, you know, refine the parents. it doesn't mean that the homeless. so i go to find shelter for back to their homes. doesn't mean none of that. at least not in the short term. what it means is that the palestinians, and anyone who knows the palestinians, what and they have history of a, of a great, a tragic history of suffering. know that it's not just the starting the accounts for the palestinians. it's, it's, it's the, on the, it's a static condition off there to get that certificate of discharge. usually that's been unfolding for 70 years. so with the stadiums expect from the world. and that's

why i would expect them at least internally, starting as they are to be celebrating this moment. because it's a moment to choose that at least the palestinians are being broken. you guys for the victims that they are. and their store mentors are being indicted for the criminals, that they are now my want, in contrast to the european reaction, which we as we said, brown calling for for the course decision to be implemented and respected. we have a very different reaction from the united states for a number of senators lindsay ground, for example, calling this decision absurd and irresponsible saying the courts. the i see is a dangerous joke. it's kind of just chuck schumer saying that they needs to be a bipartisan registration that comes from the house, sanctioning the i c. c for such outrage and, and that present biden must sign it. not a surprising reaction coming from the us,

and they will be, i guess, repercussions, but certainly not a good look for the united states, which has backed, is ralph throughout this conflict and, and prior to it, you know, it must use this, then, geographically, as an example, right, i mean he's a person or for good the time now. uh, you know, has basically advices as to new this and that. right. include 2 guys. so, i mean, whether he said that uh in like half lightheartedly, or 4 or seriously, or whether he is just the usual war monger that he is. clearly, there is a sense of when it comes to these, right, there's a good portion of the republican party. and certainly some of the democrats are probably going that are waiting to go all the way in justifying because they're as war crimes. don't recognize that is or it has sticking them through the best that is right. in fact has implicated them in genocide pin or crime. still don't recognize that. so we'll dig just continue to defend dessert because by defending

is right. they are defending themselves because the world looks and the world sees under what continues to watch and the watches because there are guys those crimes with the conditional support of the united states. both houses of congress on both sides of the i now is it where the public on democrats have support? didn't have claps for nothing. yeah. whole, as he came to congress to speak for the 4th time after the prosecutor of the international criminal court has called for his indictment. so really, the united states once again, don't know the answer, the us government right to buy them, especially in particular. and certainly the leadership of democrats and republicans have been implicated in this genocide by providing diplomatically and by providing the funds on billions of dollars by providing due farms to is right in order to carry it's for crimes against the palestinians. so the on the corner now, there's nothing else they can do,

but be vicious. and to be aggressive towards the u on role 4th, which is really a shame because this once again would be the way from the credibility just as it does from whatever is left a worst thing for the dependency on the question of hypocrisy. yeah, they treat russia and ukraine one way the retreat is right in front of site and in a whole other way. and just to clarify, um the quote from senator lindsey graham. earlier he was calling on senator chuck schumer to pass bipartisan legislation to, to sanction the i c. c, for what he called his outrage, just one more on on, on the united states. my one there, those who will see this as a, not a nail in the coffin of present biden's legacy. he's been an unconditional supporter of israel. what will this mean for him? and, and, you know, what about the incoming trump administration? how will they be reacting to this?

i tell you this was a truly tragic chord, the watching joe biden, the so called andrew jackson order, rather than just showed him a democratic vendor rejecting project. certainly, democrats who would, in any possible way. um, you know, take on an inferior this approach to what the fairs, what are the ottoman in europe and asia for them to release and really provide the kind of unconditional support to his or, and since he landed in his head back in the silver 72050, gave me all the better hog said go get justice, help us go, go get justice meeting although then takes your revenge against the palestinian people, especially when these are the officials were saying, these are human animals. as you stated earlier, is one of your questions, the one of your guests, they said open the intentionally deliberately that they weren't gonna cut the fuel the food and so on, so forth from the people of guys. and they want on and getting their genocide as

we've known. that's why the i c do. the international court of justice is looking into genocide. that's why the i c c are located to more uh for crimes against humanity and open ising a whole the hunger, not door open a bicycle of hunger is. i'm like what you have, what's called a couple of your fairly, i guess i state is. this is not like stuff either acquisitions or could have been that that guess is right. the organization organize nothing to do was self defense, right? that's why the choice or position of hunger by the prosecutor is so important. he's not saying you killed 40000 somebody is just like, i don't know the or the allies bomb threats that he's saying while you were fighting your war regardless whether it's justified or not. you deliberately, to stop this before because you deliberately start the people of guys out why you are protecting your why are you starting the people doesn't? well, you've got think aid would administer to the people to the people of guys while you

are getting your so i think there's a very important distinction between us. it may mean that this very particular accusation, i think, will stand tool against the leaders of is are on the walk and nice of anger against too many and palestinians on the destroying that house is not only getting better and some children not at the store and schools and universities and medical centers plan and hospitals thought of and the people that's a mystic deliberate policy or starting the people are using we're using starvation as, as a weapon, a war. that's where these really started accused. and that's why this is a very important and that's why it's going to be getting difficult for the next have gone to show up. and the course to say this is self defense. you can start to find other people in self defense. this is a war crime. it's a crime against humanity. it's distinct in humane and immortal. thank you very much indeed. thank you. my one for your analysis. as always,

we'll come back to you of course, uh, throughout the day here, when i was here as we continue to, to uh, analyze and bring a reaction. uh, bring your reaction to this breaking news story of the i. c. c. a showing arrest warrants for his route leaders and how much leader, mom a dave. uh, let's get that more of the legal perspective and legal analysis of this decision now and speak to toby cabman who's an international human rice lawyer and a specialist in the field of war crimes. his life from dubai. i toby, good to have you with us on this issue of war crimes and crimes against you as i just want you to explain to our international audience and to those of us were not versed in international law. the difference between the 2 and the, the warranties for the prime minister and former defense minister pertain to crimes against humanity and will crimes the crime, the what kind of salvation as a method of warfare. so what is the difference and how difficult is this to prove in court? a good, thank you. so the 1st of all, i would say that the,

the judges have found that there is a sufficient evidence will basis for this little 1st threshold test for issuing a response. that doesn't necessarily mean that there's a, a sufficient evidence or basis to find a conviction. but certainly at this stage, there's a strong interface with which in response to like, what crimes and crimes against humanity. and they all different crimes, different crimes under the right statute. and that has been explained in, in the statement that has been issued by the pre trial chamber today. let me look at crimes against humanity. we have to look at a number of different elements. that is the best solution. i just need to prove that they have to prove that it was item widespread or systematic, but it was a, an attack directed against the civilian population as part of a state organizational policy. and effectively the prosecute, the, the,

the judges are found that the prosecute to has established one of those points for the crimes that they are alleged. hello, um, i think it's also important as, as the last guess, mon, i've just said, i think it's a very important point. this prosecute to has chosen very carefully to, to chop this particular crime. stop, stop, asian as a weapon of war. i'm primarily because as my one it says um your account or the defense of a self defense for, for such crime. and secondly, what the judges have concluded on the basis of to the evidence that they've said considered that there was no military necessity in those acts being carried out. then expose a war crime under the rules. customs of war after the geneva conventions. and it's a crime against humanity due to the widespread, systematic nature of the attack. right. so that would be the, the easier charge to prove the charge of using starvation.