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hello welcome to the program. i'm telling the crime the international criminal court has issued warrants to the arrest of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and the defense minister he sacked. you'll have kalonde saying there are reasonable crowns to believe they have committed war crimes and guns of it's also issued a warrant for a senior mos figuring out how to do this. then a day earlier, the us v towed a motion to the un security council. cooling for a 65 standing alone, and it's all positioned to the proposal. as the chancellor and briefing continued off to the voters in new york, thousands more palestinians were being killed by his violent cancer. during 13 months of war and with nearly 44000 did the u. s. has no back. a single motion of the un calling for a sci fi abstaining only wants to allow motion to pass unmatched as well to ignore that continuing its genocidal boy with us weapons and wisdom support. so will the

arrest warrants have any impact on us policy? just see us becoming more isolated over it, support as well. and what would it take to get the us to suppose us the spot and break with israel or the guys that will be speaking without guess shortly. but 1st, this report from when we consume sharing the international criminal code has issued a rest board. and this is really from mr. benjamin netanyahu. his former defense chief you, off cologne, and her mostly the most money. this one charges of committing for crimes and crimes against humanity. it comes a day off to the united states once again, back to swell at the united nations security council. those against costing low no vote. the us v told the restitution calling for the ceasefire in casa, propose, and demanded an immediate unconditional and permanency fire. it also called for the release of captives have my homeowners now, but despite weeks of back from discussions to cross the motion that would foss the

button that ministration tilted federation, we made clear. throughout negotiations, we could not support an unconditional cease fire that failed to release the hostages. because as his council, his previously called for a durable enter, the war must come with the release of the hostages. these 2 urgent goals are inextricably linked. 14 of the 15 council members voted in favor of the cease fire plan is the full time the us has used its veto to block to cease fire resolution since the board began more than a year ago. and the palestinian investor says the visual power is allowing as well to continue its genocide and consequently there is no lights to mess, getting up civilians, there's no light to stop. and then by of civilian population,

there is no light to forcibly display. so people this and there is no light to an exception. this is what this guy is doing and gaza. these of it's what the objectives this is what the absence of a ceasefire is allowing it to continue doing magic. then you said that the defeat of the motion is just main, mo, death and destruction. a ceasefire of doesn't result everything. but this is the 1st step towards resolving anything. and what is the answer of those who are still unwilling? now, after all this depth and the selection, not to call for the unconditional cease, why is it to accept that the killing should continue until we lose all everything while we watch that 12 is living, nothing is was invested time to us for its support and said well, in cost, so we'll continue the resolution before this chamber was not a pass to piece,

it will the old mouth to multiple most off for being enrolled, not should. isabel will continue to defend itself. wednesdays vito comes as is well continues killing displacing and stopping palestinians and casa they've been repeated romans of funding in the northern region. the new aid has been delivered in for 2 days. we sent you and report said, is rose campaign and district is consistent with the characteristics of the genocide. despite that the u. s. c is still unable to take action and the consumption ease on to see the inside story. could this get a range of perspectives on the us? we heard from out this in london, ontario and candidate michael link is the human rights lawyer and the fullness special. russell tool for human rights in the occupied palestinian territories in

dubai and hollow. robbery was an american diplomat for 18 years focusing on political affairs, human rights, and counter terrorism. that was until april, when she became the 1st us career diplomat to publicly resign a president biden's guns, a policies and an am on shane law. who is a communication advisor in palestine for the norwegian refugee council? thank you very much for being here and what is turning out to be a historic day for as well as well as of the middle east in general, and the wide world. of course, michael, if i can 1st of all start with you is the human rights lawyer. can you just put into context and give us the significance of these international criminal court? a risk for instead of being handed down, it's, well, you're right. this is a storage and it's a storage also for international law is as well. and the whole concept of accountability. we've had lots and lots of international law that's pronounced and very critically, with respect to israel's conduct of its occupation. and with israel's conduct of

this more on guys a yeah, this is the 1st time that an ally of the united states where it were russ warren's had been issued by the international criminal court. this will mean that the minister definitely yahoo and former defense minister you'll come on will not be able to travel to a $124.00 countries, including virtually all of europe. because those countries are members of the room assembly for the international criminal court. and they are obliged by the room statute to arrest anybody for home. their own standing warrants for that is also obviously stains further. israel's reputation in the world with respect to its standing among other countries at standing at the amount of nations. and it also increases the stain with respect to the united states. the one thing i'm worried about in the months ahead is how the united states will one of the reacting we've seen letters written to the court by republican senators. same basic saying

we're warning you do not take any steps against are allied israel with respect to arrest warrants. so a showdown is coming in the months ahead. okay. well, get onto the repercussions of that potential show down a little later in the program. but sure. now i want to come to you next and just outline little bit of the detail that the i c c put out there. they said that they, the crimes alleged against in yahoo. and does that include using starvation as a total of war and say that there are reasonable grounds to believe that 2 of them of us or a tax on civilian populations? i mean, does this vindicate all of the voices around the world that have been saying that is exactly what has been happening and gaza for over a year now? absolutely, for, for over a year and you said we've been, we've been calling out. we've been saying that israel has been obstructing gade is where it has made it very,

very clear that they have intention to obstruct aid from the very beginning of this escalation of possibilities. and we've seen consistently throughout the past year, the time and again jamila, terry and this distance is being prevented from entering gaza, being prevented from being brought to communities in need or seeing an entire population. on the brink of famine, people are starving just this week. the un reported that in the in south of warranty garza where the conditions were a bit better than in the north. only 16 percent of families received their mom a reduced monthly food parcel. i mean, this is after a year of a of us calling for openings of more crossing, calling for an increase of, of aid calling for protection of humanitarian workers and civilian. so the 8 could be safely distributed. it's no surprise that the court found this because this is what we've been saying for more than a year. hello, obviously the us has been the biggest baccha of nation,

yahoo and israel and it's more in gaza. 10 that us support continued or given these are risk warrants. unfortunately, it will, and let me just start by pausing and acknowledging what most of the world is feeling right now. finally, finally, there is a sense that the international community is taking action for a little too late. but this is not just strictly about god. it really is about the rules based order. it's about international humanitarian law. it's about justice and the fact that finally, after over a year of genocide, the i c c has come to this decision. it's almost as if we so many of us have been holding our breath. and we can finally breathe a sigh of relief. but i can assure you, and this is very unfortunate, but i can assure you that the united states and this administration will continue to do everything and can't undermine this decision. i can imagine right now what's

happening in the state department. secretly, many american diplomats are celebrating this because they do believe in the rule of law, but the political decision coming from the white house and from the biden harris administration, is support israel at all costs, even if it violates international law, even if it violates american law even if it loses an election, and we're going to continue to see that unfortunately, even after this is the cheapest vision. okay, so in your eyes you don't see anything changes when it comes to the support of is there out by the united states. michael, we know israel doesn't accept a wish ignite the jurisdiction of the international criminal court, but what does it actually mean going forward? does anything change when it comes in? yeah, i mean, apart from, you know, potentially being restricted from traveling to a 124 countries. you know, keep in mind that the international criminal court does not feel trials and i've sent to you, you actually have the defendant's a presence in the court room in the hey, in order to,

to proceed. so unless israel voluntarily surrender somewhat, you will never do, or the united states voluntarily surrender something, which it will never do either. there will be no trials for the foreseeable future because the, the 2 defendants will avoid those countries up, along to the rome statute for can, who are compelled to issue the, the arrest warrants. but as we said, this was further steam. israel standing and it will further staying in the united states as natalie as well. oh, just quickly. uh, how difficult, what will it be to prove these cases in court, especially in, in the challenge of, with an isaac hunger and gaza, which they've been accused of. well, um i you can be sure that the prosecutor's office would not have saw the arrest forms which it did in june unless it had strong evidence with respect to these various crimes, including the crime starvation and the blockage of humanitarian aid. but there has

been, and it's for wondering amount of evidence of extraordinary amount of statements made by respected and responsible for organizations, including united nations, including many major humanitarian organizations that can testify to the ways in which the population is suffering with respect to the lack of food, the lack of water, the lack of housing, and the lack of other forms of humanitarian aid in gaza. so all of that, i'm sure has already been assembled and will continue to be assembled in the prosecutor's office. should one or both defendants wind up in the hague. okay. it, shouldn't it, does this change anything for the people and gaza right now? i mean, is it going to change the conditions there, or is it actually a fear that the israel could push back even hotter against that and take it out on the people that are trying to survive? and the strip what we've seen over the last year is that very little influence is israel, and it's decision making and,

and ability. your willingness to permit more aid, improve the humanitarian situation. just over a month ago, we saw the us and ministration the secretary's blanket and austin sent a letter to israel giving is ro 30 days to improve humanitarian conditions on the ground. in garza, we along with 7 other n g o's and submitted a report card that found that israel overwhelmingly failed at the meeting. each metric that uh that, that the us had that had laid out for them to, to show improvement and, and, and october saw the lowest number of trucks, the daily average of 30 only 37 trucks. and during the summer now the american administration found that israel had met the conditions, but they have set forth and decided to allow israel to proceed without any type of consequence. so i think so long as israel does not be actual consequences. so long

as there is no accountability, we're only going to continue to see is ro acting with impunity. and civilians who have been bearing the brunt of this for the last. 40 almost 14 months are going to continue to suffer and be deprived of the basic needs that they have for their survival. you with the the 1st us diplomat to publicly resign because of buttons, policies when it came to gaza. you talked a little bit about uh, the, some people in the diplomatic corps in the us might be privately sharing the i, c, c, 's decision to charge the 2 of them. do you think that move will follow your lead and step down or, or at least speak out loudly against biden's policy? to be quite frank tom, i don't think more will resign and i am not very thrilled to be saying that out loud. but what i saw when i was still in the department before my resignation was an absolute shilling effect that diplomats,

experts were basically told to be quiet, to keep their expertise to themselves and to fall in line. and that's what i saw most diplomats doing fall in line. but i would urge my former colleagues that this is the time to not fall in line. i swear an oath to the constitution when i became an american diplomat and it is because of that. oh that i submitted my resignation . now i can tell you what's going to happen after this. the state department is going to write something called the marcia, is that every embassy and conflict is going to have to dom march. the host government meaning provide some talking points and they're going to try to discredit this. i c. c will and they're going to do everything they can to get other countries to publicly this credit. this icpc ruling. now for those conscientious diplomats, i urge my former colleagues refused to deliver those. the martians pushed back on washington. even if you can't resign publicly, don't go along with the legality of this policy. any longer. shaina outlined,

the palestinian people can't suffer any longer and it's time for all of us to use our voice, including those that remain within the state department. michael, how do you think that the us, the funding in particular will react to this you? you talked earlier of a potential showdown can you can just elaborate on this for sure. i mean it's, it's astonishingly clear that there's virtually no red line of israel. it won't cross over in the conduct of this war and the searching no red line that the united states will not eventually one of trying to justify to the rest of the world. we can see the arguments that were made yesterday of the un security council by the united states when a justified it's a veto of the latest attempt to bring in a, a full and immediate cease fire. it was very clear that the in vassar robert was a speech, but he saw all the blame, resting on a mouse. there was no criticism or even cautionary remarks made by him bassett,

or would with respect to what israel and with respect to his comments saying, we're opposing this resolution because we want to see the hostage just freed immediately. and that started in the resolution. well, she and i are reading very different resolutions. the resolution was very clear in its 1st operating paragraph, not only was a calling for a immediate and, and final ceasefire with respect to the war in gaza. it was always also calling for the media on conditional release of all prisoners being held by him a see not states yesterday would not take yes for an answer with regards to this and the you know, it can be really no credible diplomatic justification for the vote that was uh, that was offered, so the willingness of the united states under the administrator and to be able to defend virtually everything. israel has done to date only boats. i think more, more fear and darkness as to what's going to happen when the administration changes

in 2 months time. and then we'll get to to donald trump's president saying, well, that could mean in a moment, but hello, just on the us, vito at the un security council. let me the proposal basically said it demanded an immediate unconditional and permanent spot. it also cooled for the release of captives that have been held by him us. so what exactly did the us have a problem with? can you just give us that context? so i can give you the state department's official talking point, right? the which i obviously do not agree with what is coming out of the out of the podium is they will not agree to a cease fire unless the prerequisite is the release of the hostages. it is a very one sided perspective, as was mentioned, the ceasefire. resolution was clear, unconditional release of the hostages, and i can say that is absolutely disgusting. i'm not mentioning my words. it's disgusting that the administration is using the hostages to continue this genocide,

the families of the hostages, their pain and their stuff for him in order to continue arming israel in order to continue violating human rights international law. the families of the hostages themselves are protesting against netanyahu. every day. they recognize that she has been the obstacle they recognize of how mass has agreed to previous ceasefire deals . and then then yahoo has changed the gold coast every single time. that is why they have publicly been denouncing prime minister netanyahu and have been protesting against him and his government on a regular basis. yeah, the administration refuses to put the blame where it belongs and is using the suffering of the hostages and is also enabling them to remain hostages there. how there is the pro magic solution. if the us have ministration shoes, us to use of leverage, choose us to abide by us law, which would mean to hold offensive, military weapons to israel. that would force a deal. yeah,

the us administration currently refuses to do that. and people on all sides are suffering as a result. yeah, a number of the us allies also back to the, the resolution of the vote a, there was a discussion and machine bomb you. the state of tell us tons, deputy you in in boy very powerfully said at the security council session 65 doesn't result of everything, but it is the 1st step to was resolving anything. take a listen to what he said. maybe for some we have the wrong nationality of the wrong faith, the long skin color. but we haven't humans and we shouldn't be treated as such. it is the un shop of what is one that is different from the top of you all have tell us is live on international law for them and international law for us. do they have the 2 kids? and the only like we have is to die with

a statement that has gone viral and has been picked up right around the world. shina. do you think that that is because it's exactly how tell us to the palestinians feel right now. absolutely. palestinians. especially those in gaza, feel abandoned by the world. they feel that there is a double standard. they see international law as being applied collectively. they see ones that have rhetoric for russia's occupation of ukraine and another rhetoric applied to them living under occupation for more than then 55 years at this point. and so for palestinians they, they've lost at least the ones that we speak to in the, and, and the rest of the occupied 1000 territory. people have told and confidence in the international system. they've was confident in international. 7 they, they don't understand how they're suffering has been broadcast for more than 13 months on television. and yet people continue to die each day. not just those being

killed by the bombs and bombardment, but those being killed due to deprivation, deprivation of food, medicine, clean water shelter. and so it's, it's, it's not surprising to hear that to hear mister bam. yes, b get to speak of the one about the feelings of the double standards, but palestinians are the thing. and the fact that they're suffering has gone, gone unaddressed for, for over a year in gaza and an over 55 years of occupation and 75 years of displacement. your michael, this resolution had been worked on up for weeks. it again, for the 4th time that has been vetoed by the united states. what will it take for them to back the, for the us to back a ceasefire at this point in time? do you think? so? it's hard to say, i mean there's a so many opportunities for the united states to be on board for a, a, a, a permanency. so i recall. but they themselves proposed to the security council in

june of 3 steps. staged a cease fire that had they said, had israel support. and once that resolution was passed by the security council, in june resolution 2735 of the united states made no sorta diplomatic efforts to try to put it in place. and listen to virtually every is rarely objection. which was when israel trying to back track on why it's that it initially supported the resolution. so the, obviously it's can even enforce over 5 months, uh, its own proposals for resolution, which has the blessing of the security council. and now says that the hostages remain for most of the americans mine when the really on or immediate, an on conditional release of, of hostages was 1st and foremost in this resolution that was needed yesterday. it's hard to imagine what, aside from the obliteration of how much will one of my drawing american

supports for any resolution in the future? i'll have some thoughts it by didn't know maybe hopes that button might soften histones. uh, since the election. he's on his way out the door that doesn't seem to have happened with the veto of the un resolution trumps coming in next. what are the consequences of him and office honestly, it's unpredictable and i worked under the company ministration of south africa. and one thing i learned that other diplomats learned is that his policy making is unpredictable. and often times we found out the news of the day as everybody else did through his sooner feed. so i'm not going to try to pretend to be able to know what he's going to do, but i can see this, those that he has put around him a signal which position he's going to take. and those appointments thus far has been very troubling and have been very concerning individuals that are very much influenced by the pro is really lobby and you know,

in the pockets of the pro is really lobby to be quite frank. on the other hand, the trunk went to dearborn michigan, about a week or so before the election, making him the 1st presidential candidate to go. you know, critics are saying it was strictly an election boy to try to get votes from uh, from the community and uh, the air of american community, the most of the american community. all americans that really care about garza and he was urging peace. perhaps that was strictly an election boy, but honestly, if his advisors would see that this is a golden opportunity for him to declare a win and a victory, the bided administration has set for months and months. they've been trying to secure a ceasefire. if he comes into office and is able to secure one, which by the way, the vast majority of americans are in favor of a ceasefire. it would be a win. but at the same time, we've seen that he, like the democrats, are very much beholden to. the pro is really lobby. well,

it's going to be who whispers loudest in his ear or who is able to influence him more. and so why would stress to the american people now is not the time to be complacent? i know that everybody is tired after the election season. and so many of us has been absolutely traumatized and devastated. but by what has been happening in gaza . but now is the time for americans in particular in the united states to make their voices loud and clear that under the trump administration they will not. we will not continue to allow our tax dollars to be used to murder children, and garza and the pressure needs to be maintained on this on the incoming administration showing. if we can finish with your briefly, can you just give us a sense of how palestinians are thinking and feeling right now because for them, this is literally about life in this hell of demands by and large have lost hope. i think that the situation has deteriorated. so much in the last several months. so i spoke to

a colleague yesterday who was telling me about his family and garza 60 families sharing a single toilet. a family member who couldn't get surgery because his body was too weak to withstand being under anesthesia. these are the types of south daily sufferings, trying to find food, trying to find clean water. i don't think palestinians, and guy that have very much opportunity to think about larger political issues because so much of their day is focused on trying to find, trying to scrounge up the basic needs, which are now almost entirely out of reach. thank you so much for joining us, shina, hala and michael. we really do appreciate your insights and thank you to for watching . you can see the program again any time by visiting a website. that's l, just there, adult calm and for further discussion. go through all facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash age a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. l handle is at a inside story. somebody told me christ and the whole team here,

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