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hello. welcome to the program. i'm told mccrae, we now just hear it was banned in september. then it was bureau chief, criticized benjamin netanyahu saying he wants only his voice to be heard. now while a tomorrow's warning is fast becoming reality. as well as foreign media outlets and his route, those inside the country did a critical of the as rarely prime minister facing a crack down. the cabinet has approved a proposal to come to a government links with hot. it's a move that could cripple the 105 year old newspaper financially and full said to shut down. audits has condemned the action. cooling is another step and netanyahu's journey to dismantle is riley democracy. so kind a free press to 5 and his role and ken, as well as western allies, pressure to respect to democratic values, they stand for, we will talk about these issues a bit later on. but 1st, this report, buffington mon, ahead of these rarely government is taking aim at the country's oldest newspaper. it's sanctioning har at spite preventing any state funded body from communicating

with his journalist or placing ads on the platforms. the actions come after it's published or criticized is rarely prime minister benjamin netanyahu is administration at a conference in london then that the no government wants to continue and intensify illegal settlement in the doors that were meant for posting in state. it doesn't care about imposing accrual, or palletized regime on the palestinian population. it dismisses the costs of both sides for defending the settlements while fighting the palestinian freedom fighter that is ready to cause terrorist shock and later said, he was not referring to a mazda as freedom fighters. but the controversy was enough to spark or a new campaign against the paper. these rarely cabinet unanimously proved to sanction horace accusing the newspapers, supporting terrorism and hurting legitimacy of the as randy state. power as a condemned to move as an attack on his way the democracy meets the publication as

well as the leading media outlets in israel, willing to challenge the government's narrative on the war on gaza and criticizes. the policy almost or the media outlets for the recruiter themselves to the narrative of the government and the army and the void. did these res, both seem guys uh, embodied is ryan, go seeing the crime scene goes up. and that, and the please though the, the, any soon possible to please of us a little she why the hard strike to stick to the tools and for the, for tools. israel's war and god that has led to a crackdown on both domestic and international media. analysts for, and that's campaign against hearts may have only just begun. what they're trying to do was put the, the heretics out of business. now, if they're, if they're unsuccessful, they're like to consider other measures as the criticism goes on. because what they're really trying to do is shoot the messenger,

israel's war on god has killed more than 40000 palestinians sparking condemnation from around the world. the government's response has been to attempt to control the narrative and silence dissenting voices. policies that may lead to the truth in israel, becoming another casualty of war. bins. monahan al jazeera for inside story. let's bring in a guess now in tell of eva's akiva elda who is a former hot, it's editorial board member, and full. the united states bureau chief in london and tim dawson as the deputy secretary general of the international federation of june list and also intel of a den, perry is the former chair of the far into press association of israel and a former original editor of the associated press news agency in europe, the middle east and africa. thank you so much for being with us. uh,

a really important topic to discuss here. dan, if i can stop with you at the, is there any government has accused hards of supporting terrorism and undermining these riley studies? do you believe that that is what the media around that has done? well, of course not. obviously not cards simply is the most um, clear uh, voice of journalistic opposition to the government of an attorney at home. and it is about more than just the particular conduct of the war and goes on the sense of which by the way, the higher. so tory on a team mostly supports the particularities or something else. parts is critical of everything about the goals, including the year or so that they are, uh, we're trying to essentially scrutinize the country before the war. are you going to get a time during which the security chief of israel had warned them yahoo, that the schism they are creating what height, attack and bring about the war. and they weren't. course ignored,

hired. so this is the simply an opposition. these big around the governments, the yahoo is a can to, is there are a liberal people in some places like hungry and a worst case. even turkey. uh, not entirely on like, uh, you know, the russian version you 120 years ago when they were merely a 3rd time it fully took the terminal. uh, as such, they tried to portray the critical media uh, somehow enemies of the people enemies of the state. they're going to try to fight it. and when it personally comments talking and goes a bit too far inside of things and uses of vocabulary them journey no regrets. they pretend to be shocked, but in fact they're happy because it helps them to do much of the most critical voices in the process. it keeps in outlines the higher it's has been long critically critical of this a coalition government. but can you explain why the statements in particular, about the palestinian freedom fighters? why that provide to these governments sanctions?

it actually is just a pretext, uh, the uh, this project of this drawing iris as well as the rest of uh, the free media including the vision on a stream. uh channels like general to do that uh is uh, ones in the wind criticizing the government. um, what, what does an attorney l as in mine, is it to shut down every critical voice and the phone? right? just comparing mentions as, uh, the reason why if you disagree not just uh, where is the government or is uh, nothing. yeah. the persona and what is this policy? um you are not legitimately and uh the, the uh line was that was quick the size of almost shocking, which he regretted. and uh, he uh, explained that he didn't mean to come off when he was talking about the freedom

fighters. he was referring to optimizing and do, but it's about a senior strategy. but keep in mind that the idea to close down hours by stopping to advertise and to, to uh, assign, uh the you know, for uh, government workers that uh, the prescription for iris. this was like do the drawer for more than a year. the minister of communication, who now initiated this uh, project this uh, campaign against ours was uh on the record talking about an embargo campaign to close down iris. and uh, this and actually almost joking. unfortunately, brands right into his head. okay, tim, can you just uh, explain to us what distinctions that are actually going to mean for how does that,

how will this affect them both in a tour really and financially do you think as well, i can only by sign to spending more time to read about the most like if the media rely quite heavily on advertising of all this call that comes from governments and taking that's a way to remove a significant plank of the economic model on which that base being demonized also by the state. you know, who's popular cc just a is, is a serious means on the mining a newspaper. i'm excuse me, it's a new site for the house, plenty of enemies within israel. but from my perspective, criticism, also government criticism of politicians is something that makes democracy stronger, makes the democracy what we done told, agree we have different perspectives. we have different outlooks, and it just felt better for society. and those all ad in a free and 5 way. so i meant to be honest, this slide into

a sign to control extraordinarily tightly. the media is a really dangerous one for as well. well, actually we can see is right in my view, i think the, you know, those people who are a substantive thing, surely disciplined for that to me. who should really think called about what that supporting them, the damage that this will do to is rightly society actually at the time when it needs to be as strong as possible. i'm allowing divergent voices, particularly in a, in a country where there are so many divergent opinions, like i think is really important and allowing those to flow free is what makes the thought to work. rather than make me it's a narrow i'm not sure about the move from child bought a. yeah. then do you think that this move the sanctions weekends is right? like uh, tim was saying, there you, i mean it hurts has denounced the action saying it's an attack on democracy. many others have said this time is that how you say is oh,

absolutely. but it's not suffice. as i said before, this particular government is the spiritual kind of other governments across the world that are democratically elected to believe in a version of democracy that is apparently about essentially dictatorship with the majority. they are no hands of the trappings of liberal democracy. that includes many, many things including the writers or minority of the right of the political and already speakers find the kind of bad cards they're trying to do with the image. and also they're trying to sort of circle the wagons of their own constituents, a sort of project to them that they're doing something that is part and parcel. the cultural war essentially far, far broader than the issue of the palestinians. mean, the noises they're making about the enemies of the states? i mean, this is stuff that you hear also from the trump, this ground and the us, this is a, a movement of the populace right around the world. and now government is one of the leading lights of that movement while it really harm ours. i'm not so sure. i don't

have the data on the revenue, but i want you to remember. ready that this is one of the world's relatively few papers that is very successful when it's paywall and they charge a lot of mine. i mean, it's a fairly small number of global legacy newspapers that can do this. and we're talking about the wall street journal. and there are times financial clients, ours is in that zone, and i would not be at all surprised if this were on the residence on the advertising side of the revenue backfires. because i know plenty of people who, for example, has a weekly subscription to them. all right. it's not including myself. we're not considering making it daily even though they really don't need the daily print out . they're going to do that just to make a point. and it keep it just don't that, can you just give us a sense of what the reaction has been from the people of as well, but also the, the other is riley, media outlets that might be considered more mainstream. what have advice spoken out against this move? well, i would like to see uh more of my colleagues control seemed busy and to take

steps against uh, this government to be more active. and i said when i was, was the only use a bit that protested against the steps of what taking a guess and just see what there was. no other media agency that said it was about closing down the offices of our colleagues from ej a 0. and it's like multi normally said, the awesome, well we'll do that. so when the game for the comment is the i wasn't there for for them because i was not the communist when they came for the jews. i wasn't there, i didn't speak up because i was in june, but when they come came from me, there was nobody left and i am afraid that ours is not the last one. but as i said they are after any media alter that. that does not play along the

lines of the government that the uh, you know, i rolled in all the go the hallways and i don't see any other media outlets as well . that would let me do this, that i quote, this invite is one from the olympic games. how it's published 2 weeks ago. and i called by a sector this called to hire the publisher almost joking. and here's why it is showing itself in the last because for many years i was, was a kind of a window to show. this is where it is the only democracy in the world that ours is a free newspaper. never taps the government and steal the government. is paying for advertisements and buys a subsection fault officials and ministers. everybody is uh,

reading the iris and paid for it and know what the world to see is that here's where it's not even pretending to be a democracy. it's a form of democracy is a kind of harm gary and so to speak to them up was a, it's the, it's a slippery slope installed. it was just, it's no, all right. and there will be more will just on that point, a cave of press freedom in israel has worse and since, as around long since we're on guys, we're in october last year. and the need and younger government shut down and is here as operations in the country in september using a new law that allows us to band international news outlet seen as a threat to national security. a month, like the equipment used by the associated press was comp. this guided for providing live video feeds to al jazeera, as well as severely restricted international media as reporting of the genocide and gaza. very few journalists have been given access. those who have are in bid with

the as rarely, military and authorized on the heavy restrictions. according to the committee to protect the journalist, 74, had been arrested across casa, the occupied with bank engine rosellan. since october last year, it says more than $100.00 palestinian journalists had been killed in the last 13 months, along with 2 as riley and 3 liberties reports. as tim, if i can go to unix, i mean when you hear and see those numbers, what do you make of that? i mean, i understand that your organization has calculated that. something like 10 percent of guns is june list have been killed. it's an actually awful situation. i mean, i ever can, we use, i tried the looking out to the instructional media, harassment of, of news platforms such as, as out there are those who provide good coverage for it, but the most or for the most dreadful aspect of this is the extraordinary about the

accounts among costs as john lists, that was something like a 1000 look at the outset of this complex and you know, numbers very well over a 100 have lost lives. that's the mortality right. and much, much higher than the general population. 3 times high. the medical professionals more than double the kind of mortality rate you would expect to of come back troops in the most challenging military circumstances. now we don't have all the facts about why the desktop is being so high, but we don't like it didn't such as sprint based on deliberate targeting is very strong indeed. i mean, we saw an investigation early this week and the guardian newspaper of the death of 3. maybe what? because in loveland and rocks at the outset of this conflict which ease ease. i further suggestion that it was based on, on intelligence, on a deliberate actually, this is true with proven to be true is the most atrocious mortlock crime. i

couldn't really imagine under the social media of a kind that we have never seen before. my hope is that the kind of we tested judicially, you know, perhaps contained within the idea that was strong evidence to refute to the site. it was so many of the missed saw some problems and so on a computer guide. so there is going to be, you know, huge data files of, of how these decisions or how people came to be killed. i hope, against hope for everybody's psych, that's a proper investigative. she can take place in the world can, can really get to the bottom of what has happened to but it does, it does create to picture open the sold. busy and made it free to monroe salts on the world's ability to know what's going on. that pays really without precedent. and that nice was what has to pay tribute to the age. and this thing guys would have continued working despite. and this was also despite having lost so many of the friends and colleagues in den, it's not just the targeting of

a june list. but the way that the, the, is there any military and government controls the access to guns a, as we mentioned before, the use of this to restrict the movements of ju, unless many international news outlets have criticized this thing. that as i don't get a fair understanding, a true understanding of what is happening in gaza, i mean how successful has to be as rarely, military being though and trying to control that narrative of exactly what is happening in dallas or on the international stage. do you think as well not very successful at all because it tends to backfire wheezing. the door wide open or merely the perspective of people in gauze on many of them may actually be probably guns, but it's very far. the more apprentices, asian israel has actually appealed, and i discussed this on other media on numerous occasions. i've appealed this basically near blanket ban on for in a journal as being allowed into gone. so it's complex because of course the security argument is not springs. it's incredibly dangerous and the last thing they

want is even more people killed because they were allowed and to, or the book. i am not a person who thinks that israel targets a journalist because they're sure it was there is a number of arguments to the contrary. one says basically the amenities journalists are not really journalists, but something entirely different. opposing this journalist. another argument says up here, home uh, sometimes drive around impressed drugs i can't prove or disprove, but i certainly know they're not above. and a 3rd issue is when we talk about the huge number of journalists, of course, the definition of journalists has been changed dramatically in the past 10 years or so. it was social media, my 2 daughters, clayton journals. i mean, everyone's supposed to got everything all the time, and i may have stuck to the large numbers as well. but putting aside the fact that the dust total and also has just been rushing. so the numbers are so high, or at least of the numbers that are reported, that is real doesn't tonight are so high, then people in every profession are going to be killed as just as a random sample it's. it's a higher fine situation. i'm not sure there's

a very clear uh, cases right and wrong. i'm certainly israel should be projecting less than difference to the fact that it appears that something horrible may be happening with the something that they should read at the very least. the morality, there is a public relations emergency and of course they're not. and that has to do not with the military but with this car. so it's not just incompetent. i'm totally diplomacy . but as i say, part of an authoritarian global canal, but it's not friendly to journalism and the den, some of the talking guys, some, some of what you were saying, the accusing a mazda of using the press fans to, to drive around those a simple token points that we've heard many times from these riley, military and, and the government. and at this point have no been proven at all. and we know that many of out i'll just hear a colleagues have been killed doing the best they can, given the circumstances and doing incredibly,

incredibly brave work and they are legitimate journalists then not just social media campaign is on with their i saw now. yes, the mentor, listen, guys are to be praised them to be admired. no, no, no. i'm just saying it's a complex picture. and date is an incredibly complex picture. i don't think anyone's going to argue at that point. it keep, it cannot come to you now and i mean, because obviously this is much wider than hot itself just there has been closed down. and as while be occupied with bank jerusalem, i mean what sort of message does, does that send to the other media outlets in is royal and how do you think the bed is affected? some of its coverage, how it deals with the coalition government. and unfortunately ours is the only media outlet that is not exclusively motivated by rating and by the, the number of advertisements that uh, uh,

bought by the government and the private sector. but uh, what i sold today, which is interesting, that's in less than 24 hours. and you, oh uh, which is part of, uh, the put this, the guys, the additional code to, to include the top has right, is the less than 24 hours, 100000 shekels, uh, from thousands of people that donated 50 shekels. 100 seconds to buy a 5 page advertising and it will go on every day. and they, they publish flow kind of fake news and uh, incitement. quoted quotes from a ministers from chapter 14. we didn't mention this, this is the official problem, the ultimate, this is

a channel that is actually the voice of nathaniel, another voice of the good, not the voice of the government. it's a private alta, it's also an attorney out which is busy and citing everyone who disagrees with the hours, and they actually do a daily campaign against every media. all of the that is not following the i the, the, the a man show a scroll dispatcher yachts. they all did patios and, uh, on. uh, uh, the june of this like giggles every like, i mean the house was telling the drums and it's a brand new bought the dimension. i was a member of the toya bold, and i didn't want hundreds over the toils. and the come on line was the iris user designers newspaper. and this has not taken the road prevented

by many writers in the hours. and this was the lie of the, the go your bone for 75 years there. i have been there, and this is still the line. they criticized the government. they criticize the policies by the ice is calling for a 2 state solution along with the 67 lines. and now this became a kind of the opposite of the narrative and it became the position not only to the government designers. because once you have basically as much where you're sitting in the cabinet and decided to close down. all right. i think that this is somebody that if you would have body this, technically though, i would ask you what kind of drugs you think we keeps on it. okay. nice. we keep talking about closing down hearts, but that is not what's currently happening. they're trying to har parts and they're

doing it in a way that is, i believe, villages and the way the confuses the state with the government. the companies are funded by the states are not owned by the government, and they're crossing that line. interestingly, perhaps the most, the, the, the media oriented israel is most credited with being a little bit like car. it's on the broadcast side, this channel 11, which is the state broadcast a little bit in our because the bbc. so it is not a surprise, but the same communication that mr. hardy mentioned earlier in this program is also targeting the state broadcast. they're looking for ways to privatize them and maybe maybe down the road as no buyers phones, no billing or friends of the to know buyers found maybe to shut them down. you know, it's, it's not quite as hands listed as everyone will do is shutting them down tomorrow. the 3rd start when it was really critical. mean. okay, tim, i just want to finish with a question that we asked at the very beginning. how can

a free press survive and is wrong? i think the evidence of general this throughout the region is that they are very determined, dedicated workers to commit themselves. i mean, it's not particularly well paid profession is quite a dangerous one. doing this themselves committed to trying that, sorry. how does to get the truth out and i have faced that during this will continue to find ways to do that. i hope against hope rex is not close down. but even if it were, i feel certain that people with the skills of john list and i'm on a critical frame of mind would continue to find ways to get news out of the hopes that appointment would come. where is well, is able to, these really government is able to embrace a free, liberal, diverse media that reflects all the many opinions in the country and data. okay, we'll have to leave it there, but we really do appreciate your inside to keep it to him. and dan, thanks very much for joining us here on inside story and thank you to for watching . you can see the program again any time by visiting

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