see between parents and educators, the vice president of school for some books to be banned in schools raising affairs that president, have you ever been age right when governments pursuing a war against progressive values. so he's about it reports from what his iris collective reading in a theater, even when a site is they want to show their support for authors whose books have come under attack in recent weeks by conservative sectors. the knowledge in tina total funding is one of them. she's a teacher and her book, if you were not a child is about abusing a religious school to show them to single sign you from that angle. that took me yes to understand what happened to me was a crime. the challenges writing without exposing myself the objective is to prevent abuse, expose it not supported her book and several others, including that of the easy is known as or each are willing to do and a list of both of the discuss with you by teenage school children in monday, the only way i didn't tina's you vice president victoria,

you had her way to says the books have been used by politicians to quote, for very children's minds and says, the government won't allow children to be destroyed. seems coming to power last year. the government of have you had a really has pursued a cultural, conservative war against certain issues like women rights abortions and gender ideology. this books talk about feminist size, abuse and other issues that some conservative sectors in the country do not want their children expose to. because i could use as a non, this situation escalated, the foundation filed a criminal complaint against the minister of education from the province of when a site is where the books were being distributed. so does that tell me when, when you go to the middle, when we tried to talk to the ministry of education and never got a response? this is something many parents express their concerns and nobody gave them an answer. these books should not be encouraged in schools. they are explicit and have paragraphs that children won't understand are a sign of changing times with

a new discourse that appears to echo what's happening in the united states and shows and you far right administration here is not only trying to transform argentina's trouble with the economy but also leading a battle against what many consider progressive values the sole source had been receiving violent threats and social media and outcomes. and there is a campaign to send. so their books, they say they won't be silence. very simple. i just need a wooden side. okay, well that, so for me down jordan, you kind of correspond much more information on our website. so i'll just say we're dot com there is this continues here on the 0 off of the bottom line. that's it. thank you so much and the phone charging the cost is china better prepared for a term if escalation on the donald trump this time around store businesses, trump,

to pick for us treasury secretary, is he the right man for the job? plus us regulators want to break up google in an attempt and check monopolies counting the cost on i, which is 0 gone, i will choose its next president and parliament on december. the 7 bought with nationwide protest service touring installation and claims event 0 fraud. can the country maintainance position as a beacon of democracy in west africa? follow gone, has elections on al jazeera a. hi am steve clements. i have a question. is trumps thrashing of the democratic party, a sign of a great re alignment in american politics. let's get to the bottom line. the, if we learned anything from the us elections this year, it's that americans were in the mood for disruption. all of the snooty talk about inflation being, quote, transitory, and what a bad example it would be for

a convicted felon to become president would just throw out the window by millions of americans. folks have democrats could always count on like young men and women, african americans, and latinos came out in droves for the republican party. even states where the democrats always thought they were safe, like new york and new jersey. so an erosion of support. so has the table flipped in american politics is a republican party, led by trumps maga movement. now the voice of blue color america, in opposition to the elite ism of the democratic party. and is this a temporary glitch or a sea change in the country? today we're talking with historian jeff kappa service, vice president, a political studies after the scan and center, and author of ro and ruined the downfall of moderation and the destruction of the republican party. jeff, it's a real pleasure to have you with me today to kind of help us understand what just happened in the us presidential election. so tell me from your perspective is,

is this just a new chapter in american politics? well, it's a great pleasure to be with you, steve, and i have to say that i think this election could be seen in hindsight, as having been a re aligning election almost as important as the 1932 election that brought the new deal coalition to power undertaking right, and roosevelt, right, franklin roosevelt. exactly. because what we're seeing now is that the republican party is the party, not just the white working class, but of a multi racial, multi ethnic working class. we really have gotten into a situation where the electorate is polarized by degrees, and there are 2 thirds of the country that don't have a college degree. and they see themselves as really being opposed to the college bearing elite. and that's a problem for democrats. so populism, basically just one in america, and we've seen populous movements around the world, but it's happened here in the united states. and populism usually means not a lot of care and concern about the global seeing a lot of focus on the united states. in my mind, it looks

a little bit like pugnacious nationalism. tell me where i'm wrong. you're not wrong . you're exactly right. and what we've seen play out in this election is what we see and play out in a lot of countries around the world. there's a lot of upset on the part, particularly working classes about the influx of migrants. there's a lot of concern about public disorder and crime, and there's lot of concerned about installation. and people are not understanding of the fact that inflation was a worldwide phenomenon coming out of the pen. demik. people hate inflation. inflation tends to be a precedent killer in american history, and i think we've seen the results of that in this election as well. but this may be unfair because i'm going to go back and kind of how we live, a decision that was made to move from joe biden, for him to step out of the race because of concerns about his debate performance. his age, stumbling over things, which, you know, every presidency is not just an individual, it's a franchise of people. and when you look at jo biden's connection with working class americans, which was still out there, you asked, wouldn't michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin have gone for joe biden, and you don't,

i think they might have. and if they had, might, joe biden as old as he is as bumbling as he is aged as he is, might have won this election. i don't believe that joe biden would have won the election. i think he actually would have under performed couple of harris because he had really lost the ability to energize democrats. she gave them a chance to get together behind one candidate and feel enthusiastic about i think she did about as well under the circumstances as she could help. but you do point to something interesting, which is the joe biden had his roots in the working class. and he sort of seemed to be uh, a evidence of that democratic party that wasn't extreme on cultural issues that didn't just for represent the professional in managerial glasses. i think joe biden ultimately will be seen as kind of a tragic figure. because in moving away from some of the free market ideology of a bill clinton towards something like industrial policy, i think he actually glimpsed the future. the problem with the democratic party couldn't deliver,

particularly in the blue states on the money that they shoveled toward building green energy and, and ships factories and the rest of it. all. most of that money got spent in the red states, which said, thank you for those billions of dollars. thank you for the jobs. now we're going to vote for trump. yeah. so you have to, if you're going to put money towards that strategy, actually deliberate, particularly on your own people. it was very clear that donald trump did something and secured something that he had not even in his previous elections. his number swelled up and he seemed to be, he won this election fair and square what didn't she do to win? so i don't think democratic viewers are going to want to hear from a registered republican and about what harris did wrong. and in truth, i don't think she ran a bad campaign. there weren't a lot of egregious mistakes. but i think the whole strategy was geared towards maximizing turned out from college educated voters, and it was kind of a class play. and that works when it's a mid term election and a college educated will just turn out disproportionately relative to the working class. but in this case, going after list cheney is, constituency,

is really just dumpling, down on the strategy that isn't going to work in a democratic high turn out election. and in this case, harris didn't know what she didn't know. and her whole campaign didn't feel the actual pain that the working class, those vo, from the installation. and they didn't actually have any sense of why these concerns about immigration and crime, and public disorder. and, and cultural disconnection between the elite and the working class was so important . can you tell her audience is a little bit more about this training what she represented in the republican party daughter of a former vice president, a real war hawk of dick cheney. so liz cheney had some troubles in the republican party, but tell her audience more. so let's training. the daughter of dick cheney the former vice president under george w bush, was a down the line conservative on every issue, including the importance of adhering to law and order and the constitution. and that was the one factor that turned her against donald trump and ultimately cost her her leadership position with the republican conference and then her position in

congress altogether. and for this, she was actually a hero to many, never trump republicans, but also to a lot of college educated democrats who liked seeing this example of a principal conservative. but the point is that she didn't have a constituency, beyond a fairly small number of college educated voters who already were drifting into the democratic column. so to some extent, she turned off the democrats progressive faction, who remember the iraq war and dick cheney's failures there. but she also didn't really bring a lot to the democrats, as it turns out, relative to what they lost in terms of working class voters. you, i've had the privilege of knowing a lot of republicans, including president george w bush, whom i just saw a few weeks ago. john mccain, mitt romney, chuck cagle, in your book this, these are the kind of republicans that you sort of hang out with and that you sort of share a brand with in my view, you know, they're often called rhino republicans by donald trump. is it strange that so many people who ran as the republican candidate for president would no

longer fit in today's republican party? it seems strange on the face of it that they are. the former leaders of the republican party are no stigmatized as republicans in name only. that's weird. how did that happen? but i think the reality is that the moderates that i was writing about were dwight eisenhower style republicans who believed in the legitimacy of the new deal order. so they were in some sense, new deal order republicans then along comes ronald reagan and brings and what we now refer to as the neo liberal era. and even the democrats came around to that. i mean, bill clinton was someone who actually operated under the term set by ronald reagan delta. now maybe moving us into a kind of populist era which is different from the other. so in that sense, all previous models of republicans are outmoded and they're going to have to decide whether they find a better home in trumps populous republican party or with the democrats. as we know, donald trump once to deep court, undocumented immigrants. he wants to stop immigration at the border and he wants

terrorists. those are the things that really stand out very consistently from president elect from. what are the other tenants of trump is? well, i think you've identified the key tenants in front of them. and this is interesting because donald trump has the opportunity to really have this be a real learning election that will be felt perhaps a generation into the future. in other words, there are more working class voters than there are college educated voters from could lock in republican majorities for a long time to come. but in addition to the importance of terrorists, the importance of a guess, i would call it muscular unilateralism on america that may have alliances, but isn't bound by them. in addition to his desire to deport immigrants. trump is also a chaos president. and he doesn't like the deep state by which he means really any people in the civil service who might actually have a greater fidelity to the constitution. and the rule of law than to what donald trump wants to have done at any given moment. so trump could actually on do what he has has made in the selection. are we running that risk of becoming

a kind of new soviet order, where you've got political people put in 2 jobs that were previously held by, by non partisan experts that we're looking at the weather and how to deal with environmental issues or how to, you know, working in, uh, you know, developing and deploying what the federal government was supposed to do by way of highways and data. and all of this i'm just sort of interested in, is anybody worried about the depth of expertise? the schedule f idea which donald trump tribes and tell our audience what schedule that schedule is essentially a plan to reclassify, career civil servants as people who can be fired or transferred at will in a lot of ways, this is actually going back well further into american history to the spoils system of andrew jackson. trump would like to get rid of these co called deep state bureaucrats and replace them with absolute trumpia and loyalists who will do whatever he says. but as you point out, these are people without any particular expertise. and they're going to be significant costs to a government where positions of authority are occupied by people who don't know

what they're doing. and yet at the same time when i go into university campuses talk to some of the administrators there. they strictly associate at projects. so there's a sense in which ideology and loyalty to a particular cause are becoming more important than expertise across the board in these 2 separate camps. do you think that's still the case as we hear about panels that are going to purge generals from the pentagon, that donald trump doesn't like, or that were involved in certain decisions they were ordered to do and come up with a kind of trump approved command staff of the united states military forces. yeah. when we talk about purging of generals, that also sounds a lot like what stalin did in the 1930 is and it didn't work out too well for him in the short term when nazi germany invaded. you know, i think generally, the view point of the military is going to be very different from that of the trump populist in a really important way. um, we were in a cold war with china. china is

a competing us in terms of manufacturing. they would tend to one advantage, but they're also now starting to outcompete us in terms of scientific and technological breakthroughs. and i'm kind of a dwight eisenhower republican at heart. and you eisenhower laid the foundations for our victory in the cold war. and he did so by investing heavily in infrastructure, particularly with the highway program, but also in science and technology. he created darpa, the end of the research agency, and the government, a funded advanced scientific research at the higher education. he has also funded lots of college education. he believes strongly in a highly competent bureaucracy and strong alliances. all of those things are things to which the populace, trump and republicans are opposed. and the military sees this as a source of weakness and our global strategic competition, as well as donald trump's choice at the moment. uh, standing there to be the next secretary. defense is a news host like me, but he's on fox news. p takes f, former a veteran of reserve and, and pete hex that has a tattoo on him. it's a, a crusader,

a cross. and he calls himself a, b, o bro, a theology, bro. and is beginning to look around this sort of question of evangelical christians and i find it interesting because mike pence, the former vice president, was a favor of you. angelica will christians, but they seem to have wanted a more muscular, a kind of more rob, brutish sort of champions. and i'm interested if you have any insights into how that fits. because, you know, you've been a republican for a long time. you've been commenting on what it should look like, but evangelical christians have been a part of that equation also for a long time. what's, what's changed that is empowered, that dimension of the g o. p. in a better timeline, steve, here would be the nominated for the defense department instead of pete hex. of you know, i think we've seen a real tribal ization of american life and an inability to even understand what our opponents are thinking about. because we regard them as our enemies and we don't want to know what they're thinking. and i think that's applied to the evangelical

christian community just as it's applied to lots of other communities. they really let slip a lot of their former principals because they want to win, and they feel under threats and they looked at trump is their champion. and therefore they're willing to overlook moral feelings. maybe even the governing feelings that they never would have tolerated in a previous republican liter. isn't donald trump really the guy who's trying to strangle government in the bathtub? and isn't it a mistake, as we often discuss what republican stand for today? we're trying to talk about policy and competition over views and policy and issues when in fact donald trump's, he is more like a wrecking ball. as you know, the problem is a wrecking ball and a lot of ways, but this was a change election. americans want to change from a status quote that they didn't feel was serving them. and in that sense, the wrecking ball isn't necessarily the worst thing in the world as long as at least the foundation intact. i do think that the government needs a lot of change. it could be that the law must, might actually suggest some things that would be beneficial to getting rid of the

sort of absolute spaces in, in the federal civil service. the real difficulty, not just been firing people, but also in hiring the kind of talent that we need to compete effectively. on the other hand, from, as i said, bring such a chaos factor to this, that it's hard to believe that he won't destroy more than he actually might create . but do you make a really interesting point and that is, might trump and just listen to me, folks might not be a good thing that someone, this disruptive is destroying what i find to be the most powerful characteristic of government. and that is a nurture that we do tomorrow, just incrementally a little bit different. what we did yesterday we've been creeping along in foreign policy, national security entitlements, all these issues for 7080 years without much adjustment. if you go back and look at it and people can quibble with me on, on those issues. but there's a lot of inertia baked into us policy. in fact, both political parties from abroad have traditionally looked pretty close in view. and they kind of say, hey, the debates, pretty silly. this is

a major change. and might that not be the kind of thing that america needs to push? we set overall even for the democrats to come back and find out what they're really about for republicans to congeal around what they are really about. you know, steve, i think you've identified a phenomenon that we've seen and developed countries all around the world, which is that things don't seem to work as well anymore as they used to. the trains don't run on time. the government bureaucracy isn't efficient in a way that it used to be um, and the question is, what to do about that? and the democrats usually have just said, just keep doing what we're doing. and i know who poses us must be a bad person. but in fact, we really do need some kind of real shake up and it could be the trump provides that jacob, i just wish it wasn't that he was coming at it from a jack sony in spoil system. i wish that he would actually maybe adopt a slogan that the other side once had, which is let's get this country moving again. do you think there's an element of massage any built into american politics that won't allow a woman to run and win us election?

this is the 2nd time a woman is run. i would say, you know, you kind of look across both parties. there are women leaders, nikki haley got, you know, knocked out on the republican side. but it raises the question of whether or not that was a fatal mistake on the democratic ticket, even though aspirational. yeah, i think many women course desert, but you know, you've got to ask the question, is there something massage in istic and, and a opposed to a female running the united states government. i mean, i don't want to discount the power of massage in the, in american life and certainly, and people like trump and p takes of that charge can stick. um, on the other hand, a lot of women voted for donald trump in the selection to um, and i think there's a feeling on the part of many women, particularly the working classes that a lot of developments in american life are driving men and women to parts and that's not the way things were and they don't like it. and again, maybe it takes a disruptive force like trump, to get things back to what we remembered as a time when there was less tension and less entity really between the genders. so

what's going on in the minds of women who voted for donald trump, but also voted in many cases around the country for abortion protections. abortion was the big issue. the democrats were gambling on to say, republicans, in particularly donald trump, has set up the circumstances, robbing women of their rights to determine what they'd like to do with their bodies and over abortion politics. but we saw in florida where an or, or a majority, not enough voted for abortion protections to reveal a repeal in abortion band, a 6 week abortion band. but donald trump, one that saved by 13 points. and so usually you have this kind of the economy where women are voting for trump, the guy who set up taking abortion rights, but they want their abortion rights to what's going on. you know, i think important points of the fact that the republican party is even now an ungainly coalition of factions. but don't really see i to i, the eventually christians do not have much in common with the bar stool. conservatives were basically a libertarian. who like trumps macho swagger,

and think abortion is fine, there is sexual libertines, if anything. and that's something they liked about trumpet too. and then again, there's also the sort of paul ryan republicans who wanted cost cuts social spending, who were part of this equation too. and it all has to get resolved somehow. trump is trying to actually split the difference on the abortion issue, saying in some states, abortion will be legal and that's fine. in some states, it will be illegal and that's fine. whether he's allowed to get away with that ultimately long term, i don't know, but it doesn't seem that abortion is what actually drove a lot of votes in this election. what's really weird about this election is that joe biden had a sky high. dow jones average in the stock market, he had historic levels of unemployment in the country. we had an economy that was growing and inflation, which had really been a problem for him. i think one of the biggest problems that drove america's choice and their view that america was on the right track was clearly on the substantial decline when you had americans didn't kind of feel the vibe of that. donald trump

was able to deliver to working class americans, the sense that they're going to do better in his future with tariffs, with protections, with, you know, shutting down migration, etc. or what do you think? do you think you'll be able to deliver in and are those are those americans permanently his or do you think that he's got his deliverance? substantial ways to get wages up and to really impact in a way that no american has done extensive. the are the real state of support and cushioning and you know, the livelihood of working class americans. so you raise a lot of good questions there, steve. i know a lot. yeah. yes you do. i think part of the democrats failure under bite and was to appreciate the pain that inflation caused a working class americans. you know, in my study of, of the 19 seventy's, i really came to the belief that inflation is a president, killer americans hate inflation to them. the prices that exist after inflation are always going to be wrong. a car used to cost what a so what, what a sofa cost now,

you know, a home cost. now what a car used to cost they'll never get used to the prices being wrong and the democrats didn't appreciate that until it was too late. um, you know, having said that, um, you know, i think the donald trump does have to deliver for those working class people who voted for him. largely because they remembered good times in the 3 years up to 2020, which they have a certain amnesia about. but donald trump's ideas for tariffs, his ideas from asked the port ation. these are really inflationary ideas. and people who want him to get prices back down are not going to be happy if he makes things worse for them if he imposes what amounts to a regressive tax, which is what a terrorist is. so from best inside, i think whether he wants durable majorities for republicans or whether he wants to lose the working class support that has come his way from people not just white working class, but multi racial, multi ethnic working class motors. i'm just wondering whether that view that these people have that being engaged in the world, america being the security guarantor of the world,

with all this capacity. people don't feel like it pays off for them. and donald trump used to say, hey, we're getting ripped off. is all of that come back, are we going to become basically a kind of semi isolation this country and pulled back from the of so i do agree with you that donald trump was able to speak for and to people who felt left behind in a way to know where the politician could actually think his pick of j. d vance turned out to be fairly pressure. and in that sense, to vance, actually being an intellectual of sorts who is able to make a coherent program out of trumps instincts. the problem here is that donald trump doesn't fundamentally believe in the post world war to us lead global order, right, which has done so much to make america a prosperous country more prosperous than any other country in the world. it's what made america great back then. absolutely. is it what will make america great? again, what i worry about is that donald trump really is kind of 19th century and his thinking he believes in great powers. none of us live but border, and each great power has its own sphere of influence. and therefore, what china wants to do with regard to taiwan. that's fine. what rusher wants to do

with regard to create that's fine to united states needs to attend to its own meeting. but the problem is, our prosperity is undergirded by a free and open global training order. and i think very few americans will be happy if that goes away, but we will have to ended their historian and author jeff kappa service. thank you so much for being with us today. wonderful conversation, a real pleasure to take care. so what's the bottom line? i interview then vice president joe biden in 2016. that's when hillary clinton and donald trump were facing off in the presidential election. and body knew that the democratic party had a problem. he said, steve, the problem with the democrats today is that they become a party of snobs. now listen to be not everybody agrees with joe biden on that. but since then, his party is come to be seen as even more out of touch with working class folks of . busy races, white black, latino take your pick to day one, half of the country. totally understand how the democratic party last so badly in

this election, while the other half is still scratching their head. but what we all know is that trump ism, is creating a new chapter in american history. sweeping aside america's pretensions and globalization. a sure the silicon valley, all the guards like you on must help trump wins. but in the end, america's workers sent him to the white house fair and square, and now we're in a whole new political world. and that's the bottom line, the is, i was just on the go and the tonight out is there is only mobile app. is that the, this is where we just fix allies from out is there is a mobile app available in your favorites apps to just set for it and type the move

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