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hello and welcome to the program i'm getting obligate on in an offensive as unexpected. as it was swift be a sub government which ruled syria for more than 50 years, was brought to an end in just days. opposition forces swept through major cities with little or no resistance. the big prize, the capital damascus fell without a fight. the syrian army nowhere to be seen, and those who stood against the said governments at home and abroad, or celebrating. but what's to happen next is unknown. different opposition? fighting groups found unity with the single aim of toppling sides. but now face the challenges of governing a country, dealing with each other, the strongest ty, at the feet of some would split from alti to, has been designated a terrorist group by the un, the u. s. t or t, and rushed up. so how will syria be governs? what role will the fight in groups play and what impact will us have on the region?

we'll get to where i guessed in a moment. first, this report from katya lopez hold on a new chapter in syria, with people in damascus and across the country. celebrating the end of president bashar al assad regime of political dynasty and power for more than half a century, seemingly unravelled within days. while on the coupon we came out to take part in the celebration and celebrate with the world . people were expecting this the fall of the tyrant. god willing 3 will come back offensive in the field with a sod no longer in the country. the presidential palace one's home to serious, most powerful man is now open to everyone. people room around the compound with no government step inside syria's prime minister across the nation from his homes. and we are extending our hands even to the opposition who extend their hands and

gave assurances. they will not cause any harm to any citizens. several opposition groups, so different leaders, interest in factors were involved in the surprisingly quick offensive. now, many are questioning this new decisions will emerge within this group of fighters has taken domestic of the syrian army really just melted. there was no money in damascus to pay troops. people were exhausted. there had not been a peace dividend. nobody could rebuild their lives. lights looked very grim under this for him going out into the future. serious living and neighboring to t. u. many of them push down by serious who are celebrated, a sauce falls. about 12000000 people were displaced in more than a turkey to fighting between opposition. groups and government forces with hundreds of thousands killed. many say the fall of a sod, we'll hope you who scores so who are the this is the happiest day of

my life. we are reborn on this day. we've rejoiced with god's victory and much of the internal situation and syria is still disorganized. will they truly be security and safety? despise requires at the very least, next 6 months to a year out for any syrian considering going back to mid unless you for years, military support from russia and around help keep us on power. but the wars and ukraine garza and lebanon shifted the attention of both moscow and to ron as celebrations continue for those who oppose the side. for others, they will be worried about what perform a range of troops with different names here to mission of toppling the regime. now, many in and out of syria for waiting to see what's next. patsy. a little physical again alj a 0 for insight stores. okay, let's take

a look now at how things unfolded in syria. so as we mentioned, opposition forces let and lightning defensive taking over regions in the north, including the economic capital f, a level hemma, and then reaching the city of homes in the south, local groups to control of the city of that all. but the moment the government was toppled was when they capital damascus fell rapidly and without resistance. countries across the region will now be monitoring developments closely, each with their own interests and what happens next we'll now bring in our guest. joining us from dell has about him all, i believe was a barrister and board member of the syrian british consortium. his resorts and advise extensively on international legal cases related to the conflict in syria and london. hey, paige is a columnist, an academic who is also a consulting fellow at the chatham house, the think tank. and also here in del hi, professor hand couple watts who's

a director of inter faith peacebuilding for world religions, diplomacy, and conflict resolution at the carter school for peace and conflict resolution. george mason university. welcome to you all. thanks for your time. and i'll start with you. what will this transition period look like? brothers and sisters in syria. this is a very, very special day. this is the day we get 3 different 62. so i just want to share my happiness, my emotion. this is a great the transitions today was sort of but 18, but tomorrow we're going to start the hard for her daughter to have the syria inclusive. syria, as celia without 6th period is in syria was the diversity, syria, democratic syria. so i can see my, your, the, the young generation is the streets celebrating,

but we know that we have lots. so fort loudon hit and with going to be for teams to get those 2 bins. our city, hey, it's now that the capital, the mass coast is obviously for fall in. are you any clear on the opposition groups intention going forward or will it be weeks or months where the reality of the nature and the intentions of these groups will be clear? then i think if you look at the statements shared by those groups, they are sort of born in the agreement that they want the joined the transitioning body to control the country, at least for the short period coming before the elections are able to being out there however, there are many challenges as to who can punch speed in forming this transitioning by the if you look at, for example,

higher readers show. although the groove and it's lead to a home, how much does your any has been say? and i'm willing to engage the on of change the international community as well as regional actors, how me being skeptical about the reading intentions and the change that the group has been trying to project. and now the real question is to what extent were regional as well as new actors in syria? yes. be willing to test the, the, the, the, the junior when a t of the statements made by the group. and i think the question to the will then determine at least some part of what might come next. okay. uh abraham. how much support do these opposition groups do they have internally in syria? so so i think the 1st part of this question is,

what sort of support did the redeem have an inbox? and so if we flip the questions, you know and start with the region. so the then we have seen in areas of that the opposition have come in quite in smooth the control. right? no civil resistance. know people picking up the arms and fight the, including in a lot of areas that were pretty loyal to the regina and had you know, combatants fighting for the region and areas in the suburbs of, of home on this refers to verbs of, of holmes. and so on. so the 1st thing to note is that the redeem was, was fortunate and its own people against its own people and forced to disappeared. its own people starved its own. people has kind of lost also popular. and it legitimacy, of course, part of the, the issue of you know, living in an autocratic government, is that you cannot measure in a way which party has more more, more votes. but you can also kind of see what's happening on the, on the ground, whether a lot of the people are supportive of the opposition and the different functions that are there. we have seen celebrations that you know,

they were united with their family members, that the bed that the prisons are, are freed. and so obviously there is some support for that thing. there is also some fears as to what comes next. we have seen and heard reassurances, but we've all, we've also seen for the past 10 days and actually a delivery on most of these reassurances for so far. and i know it's so far on the point, the point the tide was just making a moment ago, past comments made by agile 90. what a switch was back in 2014. he had said that christians in our whites would not be accommodated in any syria. i mean, is there any reason to believe that that view has changed, even though you say this, the publicly he's, he is making other statements, but do you really believe that view has changed? i mean, it's a personal belief is very, very subjective. but let's look at the legacy of so far since since those statements. so we've seen that he has made those statements in the 20142015,

but then he has been trying to engage interact with also some of the minority groups. it lived long before this, that this offensive. uh, you know, he used to reject the revolution flag our or the 3, sorry, a flight which i'm wearing today and, but then he changed that. so we've, there's actually been a period of trying, i would say at least a transformation at least in part for some time. and that, so these references did not star to a 3 or 4 days ago in terms of public frederick. but that said, we still aware of the legacy of that you mentioned we're aware of what happened prior to 2014. we are aware of a lot of groups that suffered a lot of people that suffered at the hands of july me. but you know, to comment on the last 10 days so far, so good in terms of reassurance is with that state. we don't know. okay, that's what we'll be very carefully interacting with and very carefully dealing with and in the period to come. okay, let's spring and hands once again. i mean, you spoke of the importance of inclusivity and, and that's what you're hoping for going forward. but what are the next steps that

needs to be taken to ensure that there's a new administration on one which ensures inclusivity. so yes, of course i just want to add the flip to my colleague, but i can say about to a teacher that might, you know, to, to this morning i was speaking was my chose the opposite of church in syria and the transition. and they've been a patient there and they've been very moderate and very understanding. they didn't get to the village. they've been treating the christian a very respectable way also. and i live for my year elective as my friend. so the meaning of community, the christian community. so i know in the past with, with careful we're, we're not a 100 percent. sure. what wouldn't happen, but so far for the last few days, my interested community, they've been in a good shape and nobody a a, there is no violation for any kind. as a matter of fact,

they've been distributing the breads and knocking doors and think they need anything. so this is where i would go to a stop to you, but also i have to say that it slip for the christian community in the past. yes. uh the issue is outreach to them, they try to get back to the land to get them back, their land, etc. so this is a very good positive steps. what we should do now we should then just like relax, we need to keep watching people observing, helping, and we want our civil society to be strong on the ground to keep doing that great initiative they're doing. the last things we want to know is to that's why the 6th duty in the war and this is doesn't look like people of syria. they are really being united today. i as in terms of the things i can really do, i'm a little bit comfortable. okay, hi, is it? uh, we heard an appeal made by the special on board for serial garrett peterson,

who said that appealing for law in order to be maintained as well as the preservation of public institutions. are you confident that these opposition groups on the ground can do this and how critical at this moment, hey, it is the preservation of public institutions? sure. but just before answering the question, i just wanna comment on something my, for the 3 of the speakers have mentioned, i think there is a difference between uh giving assurances um, protecting minorities which true a journey interest is to not only do over the past 10 days but they had a similar sort of approach to minorities and it lives especially was a jewish community there. but there is a difference between not attacking or violating the rights of minorities and allowing people to participate in governing their areas on having it say over

who does what in the respective communities on areas. this is the aspect of july, august is, has not been able to really deliver on despite the democratic process, sort of the power sharing a sort of narrative on this course. the group has been saying not only over the past 10 days, but over the past few years in the area that were controlled in the northwest in syria. so i think for a real sort of a shot at the genuine transition that will lead to a democratic and diverse the future for the country. what's needed is more than just a shore, and it says no. so going to the secure distribution and the ability of different groups to sort of secure the areas that the issue right now is most of the people

who talk about the switches. and so yeah, they're still talking about when the oppression that has captured the country. but if you look at what happened over the past couple of days, you have one the large uh, coalition of groups left by the who sean will have being fighting. and is that then you have a local in groups who has started liberating their areas from region forces. i'm pushing them off with us in the us where the solid and so yeah. or even in damascus . and this is where we have noticed that the valuations i've been at taking place, especially in damascus, the because there is no one unified, a group that has been able to provide security and prevent violations. similar to what we saw and eh, i didn't pull up right after the capture report and introduce on, on the coordination. fire thing with it. we're able to maintain security there

because the where the unified group structure, we did not see that in the most us, but who knows that you've asked for it is that when you're, you've raised an important point and that was going to be my next question. but i'll put a to, but he, him a talk to us about the different groups about him because it's not only hey, at the, how to get a some, how many different groups are there right now and these opposition forces and to what extent do you think their id ologies differ from one another on whether they have different interest and goals or are they all the lines? so as, as high this a building upon what? uh, what hired side. uh that the operation that started a couple of weeks ago, uh, from atlanta to the west, countryside of the point of some, uh, uh, was made by multiple uh, all these groups uh, coordinated and led by heights. yes. but there were many people, many armed groups there that did not belong, changed, so were trained by its just, but did not cut out a part of the organizational structure, but also is in terms of the individual fines or is a lot of them work from i left will were from,

from work from home. so that's an important point, not to forget, this is the kind of a serial that in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in that sense. i mean, i do know exactly, we'll get to that point in, out, in, in, in a minute. and then do you, obviously you have the, the, i'm sorry, national army in the, in the north, which is the army that is boxed by mike cookie and others. they participated in some of the battles but so far, limited, but then the real game changer, in my opinion, is the fact that the local uh some of them former armed groups took up their arms again in the south and in the south east. and its way to and started participating as well and moving kind of west towards damascus. i'm north and in the situation of that are so these are not h 2 as to that or it's just coordinated. these are kind of former fighters, the civilians who took up arms and started kind of taking control of their areas and moving north. so there is a diverse range of honda groups. i would say that they are united in terms of their idea of bringing down to governments and bringing down the redeem for all it's,

it's, it's crimes. they're not all i the logically aligned. but i would add to a point that might kind of scare some of the analyst and some of the countries and some of your watchers, but this is the reality we've been living in service for since 2013. so it's not a situation that the central government fell and then all these on goods are going to show up and start fighting each other. that's what's been going on since 2013 plus repressive government. okay, let's bring in the hands of government and decide what do you make of the equation? okay, situation continues now. okay, and what do you make of the different factions and whether there could be internal power struggles within them? how much does it, how destabilizing could that, that'd be for syria and for the region as well. this listen, airport, us as a civil society, one group with watching this very carefully. and it's been lots of 40 for us. we believe the non violent spikes and everything, but today there is any ality on the ground and the editor on the grounds. we have 2 options or to stay away and watch and get worries or to be close and try to advise

and thought try to be active on the ground. we are worried about this and i'm not saying that it is going to be very easy. but it wasn't easy anyway for the last 13 years. it wasn't easy. we all suffered oh, cd and people in my people might get everybody suffered. so today we have some difficult time like i have, but we're going to work together and be more strategically thinking about how we're going to change. now, the other group are that we are there. as you see, the society was stronger then before we know, what do you want just to let the old use don't that i'd up spring is not over. now we see that the security and violence, the didn't get stability to that to syria. now we have to think about democratic transitions, and this is and,

and transition of justice. we need to start think about transition of justice, about how we get more inclusive dialogue among us. our syria. it does not for one group or others. they want to see the affordable. okay. uh, hired. i got to ask you though about the region. and shortly after the fall of damascus, we saw is really tanks cross the border funds between israel and syria. they enter the data from the occupied goal on heights, and this is the 1st time that they've done. so since 1974, also we understand that they bombed what they say are military to oppose in the south of the country as well as damascus. what do you think is real is, is and game here are. and how are the opposition groups going to deal with this? it's a very important question, but i don't think anyone has a clear answer to that question yet. is there a has it's on the expansion. i deal a g on the strategy. there's a few amongst areas the as

a could take advantage of the situation in order to advance and capture in new areas in syria. a under the critics of a predicting. it's on the border for now they have been just signaling the anyone who will get closer to the conflicting lines, but those lines will be dealt with a harshly. now we don't know whether there is some sort of a back channels between is there a name on some of the groups to ensure the the conflicting lines will not be regulated. if we go back to a couple of years ago when to position groups control the area, uh they had some sort of i do some of the groups that had the contact with israel on mint in uh, some sort of understanding that did not lead to escalation between the 2. so here

we have the, the possibility of, again reaching some sort of uh, agreement to back channels in order to give them the assurances that they need in order not to expand on basic or to find new territories. and sir, yes, but if that fails, if we might see that happening, and i think the role of the international community as well as regional actors, will be key here in order to ensure ensure that there would be no escalation on the phone. but okay, but i am, of course, a ron and russia, a huge allies of syria. traditionally. what does this mean for that relationship going forward as well? it's, it's, it's going to be a kind of a new one. so i think complicated relationship because they have taken sides, it's thoughts that the uh, syrian people have decided to, you know, uh, take uh, take aside against them. and it's done that, that they've decided to kind of pop up outside. i mean, we've seen already some of the armed groups, it's dest included,

they've given short answers to russia. the 3, no, no one is going to kind of, um, uh, harm russian interest. we've seen reassurance is on arabian, and russian for a rainy and russian consulates. we've also seen withdrawal level all of a rainy and military advisors and a little bit raining and presents in damascus and then a level one and home some and other places. and it's now the time for really kind of careful politics. i don't think anyone is in the business of, you know, i'm talking isaac, any party that could further just stabilize syria. we need to for focus on what's next. we need to focus on accountability for the crimes. we need to focus on all that kind of transitional efforts, political and from a human rights perspective. and we need to now start working towards the syria. we all once dreamed all 5, syria that is free from. yeah, a lot of the services behind us all and you're right, a lot of the shop 300. yeah, these regional implications are also quite important. depends. i'll just come over and come over to you. i'll just talk to us about lebanon and iraq now, and the impact potentially on those countries and 11 on. of course,

when it comes to the resistance supply was, syria was a major lifeline for the resistance and loving on what happens next. so what happens is, depending on actually, it is a being very sensitive, but today, anybody's people sort of anything in the streets for the city in the kitchen. so how was your seat in? would you buy these people there? and they've been relieved by, by what's happening now. we have to be kid, but i want to emphasize that we need to keep dialogue was empty, but we could not close any doors. diplomacy is diplomacy. we need the help of everybody enters nations and me and the vision. if i were to how, what do you think your needs are health of everybody. when you look at the regional one cities, when you say you need the help of everybody, what country in your opinion, from the region or perhaps outside the region, should step in now to play a constructive and constructive role going forward. of the 1st i,

i just want to keep the city and own and see it in the lead process. i want to be serious union. this is my priority, and this what i want. and for me, we want to never, ever forget who are the countries who stood by us in the past and they are the one i'm getting to them and we're on the tank them because they win every but the bonded us. and they didn't to think that we're going to be where we are today. they did believe us and they stood by us and uh okay, we have a list of countries especially the way i am today here because okay, and we think them, we think 13. we think that you, we think everybody but the most important things today, we want the health and support to be in syria. let me just jump in that. so this, like i've done my apologies, that have final thoughts or you don't want you to easy to go back. yeah. that it's just, they need to go back. yeah. ok. hi,

it's final thought from you on turkey and just mentioning a turkey. um, what do you see is turkey's role going forward and how involved has turkey a been and all these recent developments? well, the 13 will definitely be a key player. moving forward for different reasons. at 13 maintains strong ties was different um, hoops on the cut off it took you also has a strong ties with the political position, the entities under present to this, most of which are base and turkey. also, how could i live at all relations with allies and in the region as well as international region? i think many people, whether from the regional else where would try to reach out to, to keep in order to play a key role in at least bringing group together using it's a influence in order to make sure the at the transitioning period would be

as peaceful as possible, however, a, it's not clear where the 2 key will be able to play the rules. again, if key of the questions that we talked about, especially as it relates to an end relation with the introduction to the engagement, was a, she is a july, me and then and that we communicate to people. because right at the shop is that a sanction? a entity is listed as a tourist organization. thank you so much. we've run out of time, but thank you so much for joining us, abraham, our. that'd be a hate hate and, and a couple us we appreciate your time. thanks for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out to 0. com for further discussion. go to our facebook page. that's facebook. facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. so when the conversation on x or handle is

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