it tells a good thing story, most that's fine, colon operated on the cover in syria, in the 1960 no dishes career that ended in public execution. eli cohen, most of the agents on al jazeera as they aside, the government falls. israel seizes more territory in syria's to go on heights stockton chairs up a 15 year old. a grievance is really far right. ministers say they are countries border and should extend further to damascus. so what are israel funds in syria? this is insightful and the hello and welcome to the program. i'm telling you. navigate on with the eyes of the world on damascus. as the said government falls, israel's attention has been on southern syria. is really tanks crossed into syria,

seizing more territory alongside the occupied goal on heights, tearing up a 50 year old international agreement designating the area a buffer zone. and is really warplanes have been busy in syria to bombing damascus with is really military warning. syrian civilians in southern villages to stay in doors far right is really politicians have for some time been openly discussing, extending israel's borders. they say about ancient scripture, dean syrian territory including the capital to be part of the greater israel. so are these theories a far right fantasy or an indication that is real in tends to expands in syria? what are israel's plans and will it safe to exploit the turmoil? and sir, you will get to our guests in a moment. but 1st, this report by katya lopez all day on or shortly after serious president for

charlotte sons' removal from power is really times rolled into syrian control areas in the golden heights of buffer zone, with villagers warned to stay indoors is rarely prime minister benjamin netanyahu says the move is temporary to ensure security as the war rages in casa, and fighting and loving on. this collapse is a direct result of our forceful action against cause by law in the wrong passage made supporters that set off a chain reaction of all those who want to free themselves from disturbing edits. oppression. some analysts say israel may see serious political transition as an opportunity to expand its territory into the country line with some israel's far right minister. there's a lot of smart, rich hands and recent most talked about what he describes as a strategy for a greater israel. one backed by others on the far right of israel's political establishment. it seeks to invoke the bible and tore us to justify expanding

israel's territory across parts of the middle east, including extending israel's borders to damascus. as he explained in a tv documentary by the french or to channel, i wanted your state. what does that mean? a jewish state? it's very complex. it's a country run according to the values of the jewish people. israel suffering. the extends from the sea to the jordan does, and that would you go on to conquer the other side of the georgia? absolutely, but slowly, a great religious eldest used to say that the future of jerusalem was to extend as far as damascus. it's too early to know how serious may not position leader of who hospital gilani. we work with other rebels groups and ultimately how they will address israel n around. but he's given an indication of his thinking this victory. my brothers is a new chapter in our history. it is a tonic points for the region. how many dangers of we avoid a $500.00 serial if it's raining and emissions spreading sectarianism and

corruption throughout the country. and shortly after opposition fighters took damascus media, and israel reported the country's forces, bummed, weapons depot, and southern syria and damascus to prevent adversaries from taking them. the new leadership in syria is now under scrutiny to see who it builds for lions. this with no foreign power liberated the syrians here it was the syrians themselves, and it's in syrians hands to determine how the future looks like with hamas weekends and gaza and has the line loading on. some analysts say israel is intent on advancing further into syria to reshape the dynamics around the border. katia, little bits of the young elders, 0 for insight story. the okay, let's analyze the situation with our guest. joining us from durham and the u. k. is robert dice, pin folders, electra and international peace and security at durham university. i'm the author

of the book, understanding territorial withdrawal is really occupations and exits and tell of eve. akiva elder is a political analyst and veteran journalist and then robots, morocco, some of that. what was the is a syria research or, and policy analyst, and a non resident fellow, f, b to heavy institutes for a middle east policy. thanks for your time with us on inside story. robert guys penfold by renouncing by israel renouncing the 1974 disagreement plan that important international agreement between israel and syria. what does this tell you about israel's plans and syria? well, these ready perspective is we made this agreement with the country or regime no longer exists the sod received brands and it wasn't made was that the shower of the side, it was made with a sod spot, the heads of the sides. and now we're seeing israel basically trying to maximize, and it's at so called security, but also projected interest inside syria. so we have seen israel take the buffer,

so that is a just sort of 250 square kilometers. so it's not a huge amount of to have a tray. what be interesting to you is how much this is coordinated with un forces. it's unlikely the un would have allow this to take place. but lately, there is a, around a 1000 un troops. it within the buffer zone, and they felt very vulnerable, likely indeed to happen. some attacks against un peacekeepers as of late. so this is very much israel acting unilaterally to maximize that security. does this believe that taking territories equal security? now once you actually scratch the surface, that's not true, you know, look at the go that heights the go on heights is supposed to be of both is owed to protect the rest of israel. so now what is really doing is basically all you mean it needs a book was open to protect. it's both is own the protecting the rest of israel. and you have to wonder, where does all this and you know what point do is i don't think as best bet to

those small pictures, messianic ideological views all shed by many is right. these but he's the finance minister. he has the year of the prime minister. this is a prime minister that used to be committed to upholding stuff his clothes. he gets a mass empowering golf, but it has blessed the 11th. that's no longer the case. nothing. you know, who is the regions biggest revision notice revisionist at the moment, still is committed to re shaping the regional order in favor of as well in favor of his own administration. and we're going to come back to what's the top of the screen. yeah. okay, we're going to come back to some of the comments that you made, but let me just bring it. i keep it from tel aviv. how is this being seen in israel and do you think in your opinion and keep it older, that israel is here effectively? declaring war on syria, by tearing up disagreements. i think this is right. it's too busy now was uh, a few other issues. uh, does it have nice today is that all the time you know is about to uh,

testified tomorrow is uh, dr. a, sol corrupt. see whether it's going to happen or not. uh, the other thing is, god, the caps is celia the tribes. this is where the instability in syria is helping the attorney out today and valid the attention of these wiley property and the politic goes. so it goes from there, we have problems of these, right? we have lived for many years. where is julia on that goal on where it is? uh, the support office box. iran and i see that today is where as from uh, the townhouse uh view is where it is, is in much better position. now that is quoting point you guys you want. uh and uh, if uh, is there a way to stay for a few days. oh,

mines on the syrian home on hudson and the tiny house popularity, it will help him to convince the public opinion that this is not the time to uh, that he should spend more time. what is uh the uh, in the cabinet and uh, leaving the uh, uh, front d as in garza and interior. uh, um and uh, i don't think that uh what the rage is uh serious about what he said. and uh, the reason uh, he is just scratching the threshold from the boat to a smart ridge. so uh, with all due respect to what that is, the statements in berries where i guarantee that is what is going to be up to by the max. talk you buy them, ask them, ask those oh, the serious even the syrian no more miles. okay, let's bring in some of that. what would a, what do you think about this and are these moves into syria?

sun might, in your opinion, temporary as nothing. yeah. what seems to say, i mean, do you believe him when he says that and also how do you explain the apparent violation of siri and sovereignty? an occupation of moorland, as we've seen over the past few days with apparent impunity. we're seeing is really tanks and yesterday advancing in the south or in the governance of the i did, i find are jewelry. and of course, israel has regularly been striking syria for the past weeks, months, and even years. so these aggressions in themselves are not new. but what we're seeing now is that is there and was trying to seize a strategic opportunity to make use of the power that you, that has been left by default of decide regime noting that uh the establish him was a week review. and so it was in a way, easier to deal with because it was predictable offer as well. so we might also

think about how is rope receives, perhaps the formation of a new government in syria, especially if it is one that is democratically elected and how it might position itself. and so by already trying to stretch the legally occupied zones in the golan heights by trying to use similar arguments to further extend a buffer zone into another. but presently we're seeing for israel trying to put out perhaps any possible moves from the theory inside. and it is trying to next on these areas of syria trying to bump a lot of sites, both military, but also civilian. and this is important because we're now seeing in damascus. there's a lot of here, obviously as there is an attempt to re for him and to transition. and these obstacles are obviously further hamper and any possible civilian

democratic transition in syria because they're creating new bill as of how perhaps it might be perceived in the outside. and how, perhaps israel my further attempt to subvert this transition that the steering people have been waiting for for so long. okay, robert, these, these advances that we're seeing these advances that we're seeing these, the aims that establishing a buffer zone to secure the occupied goal on heights and to occupy further syrian territory. what sort of who, who is the message that the vanessa, the, all governments sending a message to who by uh, by making these moves? well, i think the next in yahoo government just feels like it can. i don't think it's necessarily sending a message. it just feels like it can do this at the moment. this is not the nets and yahoo government, as i was saying before, pre october, the 7th 2023. that was connected to the status quotes. and actually i think mentioned y'all who quite liked the established e bidding pallets because it had some money to make

a talk to what happened the dress they didn't get on at all. but it felt like it could. the to the side receives nissan. regime was 2 weeks to be a strategic threat to his route, but at the same time it was strong enough to keep its board a well policed and say start is no longer the case, which is why israel feels like and it should advance. i don't think if this, if this, the read revolution is happened in a vacuum is wrong with it, but violence because it would have felt like it couldn't. but this is a very different israel. these were always things, but this isn't as well as occupying dogs or isn't his relatives occupied thoughts of lebanon isn't as well that is now moving to occupied thoughts of syria. and so the decision making is completely different from how it was before this recent regional conflict. ration as has been mentioned is what is also striking sites throughout syria. so primarily probably just the weapons and the regime falling into the hands of rebel groups or basically just going rode on the black market.

but it's not just as ro here, as well as all sorts of other regional plays. you have 30, i'll keep i northern serious. you have a us presence in southern and eastern syria, that all sorts of external powers and players with this thing is in the syrian parts, which unfortunately means i'm quite pessimistic about the syrian people being able to peacefully determine their own future as they have a sovereign right to, to keep you. 2 seems to be somewhat dismissive of the comments that were that were made by best on a smart threats when he sides. that the, the jewish states encompass all not only palestinian territories, but neighboring arab territories, like the syrian capital, damascus, jordan leben on egypt, syria, iraq. i'll just elaborate on why you don't think this idea will gain traction in israel. and how much support does it have amongst the right wing politicians though like best on a sponsor with himself? i agree with was what would uh, when he said that is right,

it's doing what it's doing because it can. but uh, the question is, well is way to be able to do what slow treat shop is firing once the ground, what is a goal? but now the international arena is very chaotic. and danielle is, as i said before, in a very, probably magic situation in his personal life in his political life. and he's the best on this looked rich. but uh, we know that i've seen that uh president trump wants is to get involved in a regional out of war, not the ukraine and not in syria. what he was about to do is to bring together. busy is read and saw your idea and maybe he as well as uh there are as

writers who like smoke rage, they see an opportunity here to, uh, uh, facilitate kind of a regional piece, quoting you on that last is foxes. and what do we need is a knock out now after we scored so many points when he's with the seek to come us the future. this is paula. and now i saw who was actually offer a military base for you on. so there was an opportunity now for expanding disclosures and i hope someone wished for julie trump's. yes, that's maybe what he was dreaming about was about the normal piece price is around the corner now because i keep a trump was the $1.00 of course we recognize that it is really onyx ation of the occupied colon heights during his 1st 1st term. so to what extent are politicians

in israel relying? i hear what you're saying about uh their, their support. they're looking for trump supports when it comes to iran. but to what extent are they rely on his support to sort of redraw the map of the region, which is something we've heard them speak off before? i think that so we see a different drummer now. uh, i don't think that the key is inspiring for a search term as president when he was recognizing jews and interest attracted to the official air. and these very sovereignty on the go down the heights few was still having in his mind running for president for the for the time. but now i think that he is free or that he doesn't need his a jewish find. those he doesn't need to joys voice, he has a, you know, his son in law as the special emissary who is originally live a nice. so i, well maybe it's a wishful thinking, but we may see

a difference. the trump policy in the middle east. we still don't know if he has a policy, you know, he is candidate for the national intelligence to handle the pages. right. um said that uh, i says it is a very nice guy. and there was never a tim. so attacks on civilians on the civilians in syria. so we really don't know what's going to happen in january. but i think that there is a great opportunity for us to add to forget about the smoke but just kind of dreams and to get down. drill business and okay, try to reach out to our realize, let me, let me bring in the summer once again, talk to somebody about the opposition in syria, the new administration, and how it's is going to deal with these. what we're currently seeing these expansionist plans off is ro,

inside syrian territory. as think the power dynamics currently are quite complex. and there is a huge need to sort of re for him to, to spend. and i to try to ensure that there is a so the introduction of power within syria. this is obviously very much complicated by i b is really aggression because it forces the continuation of our image. and we're seeing sort of huge fragmentation as well within the groups that have thoughts on to the top of the regime. because a lot of these groups have not been ideologically aligned. dave sort personality tried to work together in order to advance militarily. but now we're probably going to see a lot more christ within this unity. and so how to respond to, to uh, as well as the impression now, while there are lots of urgent priorities in syria, as is quite complicated for associate,

that he needs being released from present the inability to logistically, reach out to those. i do need to provide stability to restore public services. there's a lot of documentation on the governance level of the law office in summer while the opposition men as busy as you're saying dealing with sort of the internal issues as a result of the fall of damascus and so on and so forth. and do you think that israel is going to use that to its advantage and to continue to secure what it calls these buffer zones inside syria? and i think it might continue to do so, especially since there is but we need to contextualize the forces and the abilities that the position has. because it does not have the russian air force that the south region used to have. it does not have around support as of yet, so it is a significantly more diminished version of our district army that we're seeing. i was able to serve mixed methods on the ground. it is much more unlikely to respond

at the moment to, to israel because it does not have the capacities to do so. i so is ro is probably going to see that in order to continue making advances, which is why it is important to be reminded of the khalidi of that move and of the need to protect our serious sovereignty, even at the international communities level. roberts, what do you think about about this in the way that the opposition of the new administration is going to deal with this going forward and should they be doing something about it right now? well, i think they frankly have bigger fish to fry at the moment. uh, always being an ideal will they be wanting to do something about it is not exactly a great way to start a new one administration by giving up large parts of your territory to foreign powers. but i also think that's just the reality of syria at that moment. as i say, turnkey is occupying a significant amount of syrian territory in the north, its proxy groups all stretching out there. you off the codes in the east to have

been defective. a ton of us for a long time. now you have the us presence in the south and now you have, this is really present as well. but we still need to see what this new regime and serial will look like. we don't know whether it will be a democracy. we don't know what, who will be leading. we've heard about the new prime minister, but that's as far as we've got so far, we know they'll be some sort of transition, but we don't know what syria will look like, not just internally in terms of its constitution, but also geographically by the end of this because yes, you can have lines on the ma us, but for a very long time. now those lines on the maps of not correspondents. you actually who controls watch in siri, who's in charge? the sound receive is gone, but even the ad is more recent high. it was that really controlling around 2 thirds the 75 percent of syrian territory. so the south reality is having, occupying forces in syria is nothing new. and i doubt it's going to be just israel, and i doubt it's going to end any time soon. okay. but on that point, robert,

and by expanding that buffer zone, as israel calls it, i mean, how likely is it then it makes any negotiations over the return of siri and territory more difficult in the future because of course, be occupied, go on. heights will then be surrounded on both sides by areas with significant is really influence. well, a key will be able to talk about this back to the myself, but one of the key things the settlement movement in his route powered sizes is something called fox on the grounds, basically as changing realities on the ground, regardless of what international forum power say so there is kind of a strategic utilities not point in taking another buff. is that because i say that it goes to ation, started become just about the go. that high is the, is rattle. keep all eyes on, on xle, defacto on x, but they become a bat is real saying okay, we could leave the buffers. that would, if you left us, have the go on the heights. well, most of the government high, so it is a power grab or alarm drive and that strategic sense, the question is, israel stains,

there's been plenty of times in the past. wherever all has occupied foreign territory. if it needs very quickly, that's enough to gain change it. the question is, how long this occupation last i wouldn't listen to statements by as well as leaders, as anything indicative bad as well. for example, in 1995 created a security zone and so the 11 and taking at $1111.00 east territory south of the tani river, the defense minister at the time, she won't perez, so it will be the only the flux, winter lebanon. and his role didn't leave for the 15 years. all right, so the pro, what would have time will tell is the long and show he will have to say whether it's ralph really does demonstrate any intent to leave. and if it doesn't, it could be that for a very long time. can you do you want to weigh in on us? so yeah, actually, um, i have to remind you a drawing and the view is that uh, in 2007 is while stroke the uh, syrian nuclear reactor. and this is very clear

message that it's not about the buffer zone. if celia had the nuclear facility, then you'll see a bomb this. today we were in a different ball game. so in the modern was when you have terrorism and is what, what is very worried about the disability. the risk that the rebels would take over the chemical weapons that the syria accumulated. so a buffer zone is yesterday's use and i think that is well needs to build a new college sheet and that the g as always is the palestinian problem. do a few patients and once it's ready would realize this, everything is possible. okay, some uh, final words uh to you,

you were talking about this a while ago about the sort of vacuum that's been created now. and we know there were russian troops that were stationed in that sort of border area where they were a guarantor, so to speak of the sides governments, security. but since moscow a bands in these positions, what sort of vacuum has that created in that area? it has created a vacuum that opposition groups have been trying to show, but those trying to retain control over the territories that the opposition has managed to again and trying to further continue advance obviously needs that militarily. there is a lot of fragmentation and there are lots of other opposing groups right to our, of buying for a territorial control. in serious there's a lot of documentation. there's a lot of difficulties and trying to retain a protect strategic sites, which is again, why as well as making advances now as clear as sort of pat uh for

a new military as emerging in syria and sort of trying to see which positions i need you to be kept and protected, but again, these not treating developments or, you know, operating themselves and imagine they're also operating against the backdrop of trying to insure a transition. and i just reminding also that for a lot of serious this is a very waiting period because they also do not know what the future is would be made of. and uh, so trying to reconcile both these nutritionists with political shirts, with attempts to obviously ensure that mentoring acres and is going to be quite complicated and definitely something to, to keep an eye on. we'll leave it there. thank you so much to my guests for joining us. busy robert guys penfold, i keep a elder and said much i will do. thank you so much. thank you for watching. you can

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the to go to i'll just bear with me. so robin in the whole reminder of all adult story, syria's new administration is walk into full make government the prime minister mohammed alba. she has been tasked with forming a transitional pharmacy, things and government administrators already opening the you and says, uh at least signs of stability. the reality is so far is that the h d s. and also the older on groups have been sending good messages to the syrian people. they have been sending mess.