not a license forgery, and other charges. he was also charged in new york where the murder took place with the 2nd degree murder, as well as crimes of forgery and other done crimes. he's expected to appear in court in new york later this month. kristen salumi, i'll just say are on new york, the brazilian president louisa. nasty a little. the silver has undergone surgery for a brain hemorrhage. doctor's treating him in a hospital. and so apollo, se luna is recovering well in an intensive care unit as the presidential office has not commented. in october lula cancel the trip to russia for brick summit. after a fall, the 3 survivors of the us, atomic bombings in japan in world war 2 have collected the 2024 nobel peace prize. on behalf of ne hon, he'd done show, it's an organization that campaigns against nuclear weapons.

the, the winners received their diploma and gold medal in a ceremony. and also the nobel committee noted that rather than embrace disarmament, nuclear powers are upgrading their arsenals. while other countries appears to be seeking to acquire nuclear weapons. and the short while ago, all g 0, interviewed the co chairs of new hon. he'd done to survive the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki. they explained how that experience should never be repeated, especially now at a time of such global instability. 3 ology of what we experience with the atomic bombs knowing that nuclear weapons are weapons. but just so in humane, it's finally being understood by more people around the world. and also looking at the international political situation today in ukraine, in gaza. create guy looking at the threats of nuclear weapons potentially being

used once again. this risk? no, this risk is higher then it has ever been before. we really had a very urgent time now. and so within such a situation, we feel that our efforts working to call for the evolution of nuclear weapons are appeal, has now been heard being recognized and done. so now on the home he don't to give a been receiving well, but i think this is why they decided that it was time that organization should receive that, but the piece price. okay, that's what for me for the time being, thanks for watching. we'll have more news at the top of the hour coming up after the bottom line by the the

limits to have a dream container. stuff in your own adventure now counter and we a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. is real says it's far away from and he gets one, gaza and it has full us support to keep going. so is there ever going to be an engage? let's get to the bottom line. the asked for a year of fighting between hezbollah in lebanon and israel. a truce was finally reached, although it's still really touching, go outgoing. you as president joe biden said he would now seize the moment and renew his push for an agreement on gaza, which has been devastated by israel over these last 14 months. but he has administration also just be towed as he's by a resolution at the united nations security council last month and recently

approved a new $680000000.00 package of weapons to israel. we've seen this story play over and over again. costs proceeds, firewall is real, gets all it needs to keep the destruction going. so which america is it? the one that talks a piece or the one that's funding this endless war? and now what trump promising quote all hell to pay in the middle east. what's coming next? today we're speaking with political science to steven the soonest, who teaches us foreign policy and middle east politics at the university of san francisco. stephen, thank you so much for joining us. let me just start with the news of the incoming president of united states will be sworn in in january. he is tweeted, out onto social, please let this truth serve to represent that if the hostages are not released prior to january 20th, 2025, the date that i probably assume office is present. united states, there will be all hell to pay in the middle east. now, president trump present electron by should say, does not mention him us,

but he's make very clear who he's talking about. but i'm just interested in how you see this punctuation point in the israel gaza story that we've been seeing watch unfold for 14 months. what are your views? i think trump is the taking, you know, to the logical conclusion. the way, the way us foreign policy is addressed israel, palestine for years. this idea that using as much force as possible against the extremist while refusing to award reward. the moderates, it creates a situation where it just creates more and more reset. and then more and more extreme is, i mean, it's hard to imagine the gods of suffering any more than a has so far in terms of violence, violence made possible by us arms by us vito's, by the policies of the democratic administration. and so the incoming republican administration is really hard to imagine of getting things like getting much worse

. i mean, i think he has this now you've sense of this kind of bluster and threats so well, somehow it may come off some more rational and obviously a history is shown that's not, not the case at all. what somebody disturbing, especially since he didn't mentioned any names, is that when he talks about those responsible he could very well be referring to iran because there are a lot of people in the us of a foreign policy establishment, especially in the republican. can't see her moss as some kind of a rainy and proxy. now ran certainly does have prophecies in the middle east or low, such as an election or rack and, and syrian and it has very close to allies which is so the support end of material you know, like, has the law, i like the who to use. but, but from us, you know, they're there, they're not that close to uh, around there on opposite sides in the syrian civil war. you know, they have very different um,

histories audiology use the logical foundations. but nevertheless, they have received a limited amount of support from some factions within the iranian regime. but for those who are targeting around who are obsessed about around. and that seems to be those in trumps circles trying to tie them to her mouth and therefore use this as an excuse of for increasing tensions there and possibly even going for war. i mean that, that, that's one thing i just jumped out in the, about the, about that a tweet. is there any real choice in american politics? is there any substantial difference between the democrats and republicans when it comes to this middle east crisis? oh so good. there are senators in light took down holland who are speaking out the fact that there were no 19 of the democratic and the democratic line senators who we try to block the latest on shipments to israel and shows,

or at least there's some descent within the democratic party there seems to be very little of a sense within the republican party unfortunately. and i think about, and the legacy i think is a really important point. i mean, we look at president and london johnson the, the civil rights legislation in the great society program on, domestically. he was probably the most progressive president we've ever had. but how did people remember? lyndon johnson is vietnam, i mean, that is his legacy. and i'm guessing that barden, who's that who is it, i've been having a more progressive domestic policy than many of us. it disappeared when he, when he ran for a for office and in 2020, that the guy that is going to very much hang on his legacy as well. i was going back to the vietnam analogy though. one thing that was really striking in 1969 nixon's 1st year in office, you suddenly saw a lot of democrats in congress and allowed a more liberal main stream that had supported the vietnam war when, when johnson was president, when it was a democratic,

more and we're finally felt like they could speak out against it. and there was a huge shift during that year and from a newspaper editorials, you know, to the, to the sense of the democratic caucus in congress to come out. and because they felt free to speak out, they did not, though they felt uncomfortable about criticizing president their own party, particularly in the election year. and at this point they, they felt more free to got to listen to the broad public opinion, which is already opposed to the vietnam war, especially among democratic voters, to speak out. and we could see a similar shift. now there's dramatic, i don't think, but by i think, i think we will see a more outspoken criticisms of us policy towards israel, which is up to now been a very bi partisan kind of affair in terms of trump. i mean, i think he really doesn't have a vision. i mean almost every president has. some has some kind of vision for foreign policy. trump has no vision. he's purely transactional and,

and which has given get, got gotten a lot of criticism from, from the writers as well as from the left. but i think on israel is very clear and he's handing it over, you know, to these really hard line idealogues of these right wing. christian, fundamentalists do say god has some kind of cosmic real estate agent that believes the whole region should belong to israel as well. as the most far right within the jewish zionist community. and so things can definitely get worse in that regard. in terms of the policies of the united states in terms of the actual how, how soon you guys are treated, i mean, will there be that much difference between of have present like shots, who opposes palestinian statehood and a presence like by. and he says he supports palace studying statehood, but is done everything he can from you in details to do on conditional aid, to of, of, of opposing a recognition of palestine to support writing,

trump so called abraham records. do you know, bypass the palestinians and normalization? i mean, on a practical level, people in the west bank will probably not feel much difference. and similarly, obviously people in the jobs are not gonna, it's not gonna, it'd be that that much, it much different. but i think what about trump's extreme is i'm, i think at least he can pretend like buying does that. he is really trying to reach an approval just piece. and again, i think that might lead to a greater activism and greater challenges, both within the beltway and beyond. i am interested in this, this belief is beginning to propagate it that the palestinians are all terrorist and they all deserve this. and that's, you know, genocide is justified, ethnic cleansing is justified up there we have, we have heard that actually for many decades. i mean, this is a, you know, it's certainly the worst, you know, single a series of, of atrocities and, and,

you know, and, and we're crimes that do indeed to violate the genocide treaty this, this, this idea that they're all terrorist and you can't trust them with the statehood and, and in treating the entire palestinian movement as it's worst historical components that's been going on for, for many decades. but one thing i would emphasize though, is that this is not the 1st genocide of the united states have supported. all right, and look at indonesia in east timor, for example, pocket stone and bond with dash, uh, back in the 1980s of the guatemalan hunter and the indigenous peoples. and i look at the, you know, a turkey and, and the curtis population, particularly in the early 19 ninety's, you know, for that matter, saudi arabia's bombing in the m and just a few years ago. so in certain ways, i think it's important to, to, to recognize that the united states has been quite willing to support the most horrific crimes if the committed by and how are you made usually excuse as the anti

communism. you know, during the cold war or, or, or, and, and other excuses. uh, but uh, this is in many ways not knew what does make it different. i think, is that most of those atrocities are somewhat under the radar. most americans didn't even hear about each team or even though you know, $150000.00 or more people died and that small country. but to this, this genocide is unfolding on people. cellphones. i mean there's no denying what's going on. so in certain ways that this makes it even more inexcusable. and i think it's really a bringing to a, to a, for a certain really important discussions of both on the moral and legal issues. but also, and in terms of how united states, as presented in the world, i mean, you know, the arkansas don't realize that at least the americans that don't travel abroad. how that, the packers, so you can double standards of, of,

of us policy are that we can not, you know, to correctly criticize the russians for their war crimes for their illegal invasions, occupation, annexation of, of, of neighbors. and you have united states comes in defense, israel and so there's also just as there's some pragmatic voices within israel saying, hey, this doesn't really support a help israel in the long term. this doesn't, um, it doesn't lee and live up to the moral values we supposedly believed in. you're starting to see more of these issues, even among main streams, strategic analysts about the, the consequences of us support for israel. this, let me race 3 features with you that i've seen in the terrain. i watch this conflict as best i can. every day. 3 big features that i think are, are different folks out there. one the development of permanent basis. what looked like to be a network and permanent basis by is real and gosh, i particularly north guys up to 19 installations. i as i understand it,

2nd thing we're watching is really forces let gains come in and, and basically dismantle and take the aid that's coming in on these trucks. and so that un convoys that are coming in and trying to move 8 are spending them because of the is really forces not stopping based. gang is coming, which is the 2nd piece. and the 3rd, which is really horrific for b and p are reporting about the sniper drought. so drones that are almost set up as i understand it, to almost automatically fire indiscriminately on, on civilians, on people. there are stories of women who walk, you know, go near a window and they'll fire single shots. this is in discriminate, killing not the targeting of a hamas commander, but so it is just really big features that i'm wondering. where is the outrage? where's the concern? because they're all designed to, to remove people and to create it really an ongoing occupation that

is real, says it's not up for a this is really frightening of the 1st of all, i don't think these permanent bases are going to have any more success than the 19 permanent bases, the us plan to put in the rack after the invasion. you cannot have a, i'm a board off operating base and, and that's a hospital, a population of but regarding the, the, the issues of the use of the drones and the other technologies for indiscriminate killing are this one of the most disturbing aspects of what we've seen over the past of a 14 months, including the, the use of the artificial intelligence and for example, where they would look at the phone contacts of some of the leader and, and go after them, you know, no matter where they are of find the and without the concern about, you know, the fact that you live in an apartment building with dozens of other families who

have nothing to do with a moss. i mean, again, the level of need to work crimes here are even worse than i think most people realize that eventually is, is going to come out. i mean, eventually there will be a sort of the kind of questioning about, um, what were you doing? you know, supporting this kind of thing. i mean, i think this is going to the be something that's going to be debated on, on the, on the, on morrow level. certainly. and then also, you know, in terms of the associate level, how did they possibly get away with this, with the support of the, of the united states. and i think it's really, really important that we, we emphasize that we, we can't stop of putting out that the human element and all this and, and that, i think the very fact that we, we are in a more diverse society than we used to, that we have a think of a sizable, our american population muslim population that we have a,

a and also just a population that is more diverse overall and clicking on people of color people who are from the global south. that is hard to dismiss the palestinians and some kind of other, you know that it so and so as a result, i really, really do think that there won't be accountability, sundays, but uh, you know, the question is how many people are going to die in the meantime, i want to ask you, not about the cost is real for this, but the cost of the us brand and the united states in the world. we're not only it's government, but even institutions like the post r somehow, you know, turning a blind eye to many of the atrocities that we're seeing as you set on our iphones. as there is, it is quite quite striking. i mean, the icpc is indicted. 67 people, and this is the 1st time ever. they haven't died, a ton of numbers of

a key ally. and then all of a sudden the us opposes the eyes easy. and it says pretty transparent. what this is about the united states believes international criminal court should only go after those from governments. we don't like or from, or from the rebel groups or terrorist organizations or whatever we don't like. and i mean that what you know, and this is the country that found itself, you know, on, on the, the, the, the rule of law that we should not distinguish in terms of a, of a person's or politics or political alignment in terms of their responsibilities under the law and you know, for the end and excuses united states use as oh they, they are. there is also not a signatory of the i c, c o pal, sign is and, and, and the court is rule. you now see the very, very clear of that done, therefore it covers a work crimes committed from palestinian territory or on house to new territory. and furthermore, united states had no objections. when tutoring and other russian officials have

been indicted for work crimes related to ukraine. even though neither russia nor ukraine are signatories of the i c c, nor were a number of these african countries where there is more lords and an entire and so i've been indicted previously. i mean, if anything, the icpc has had a, had a and pro western biased by the very fact that until of, of who doesn't die of some years ago, every single person indicted by the eyes. you see, it was an african tendency and, and then certainly of virtually all these of africans indicted. i think deserved to be indicted. but it certainly africa does not have a monopoly on, on, on war crimes of, of this for portion. so i'm, and this is, this is really an old story well that we've seen before, the same kind of thing where in the united states we'll, we'll talk about the, you know, human rights abuses. you know, by a, by a ran of but down play done by saudi arabia or, or many,

many other cases where the united states will repeatedly. and, you know, acts like a certain international norms regarding human rights regarding international law, you know, should only be used as a tool against. yeah, for political geo, political purposes and not as universal principles. you know, we've been talking to israel guys a little bit maybe and you know, what's been going on with lebanon. but when you've heard of that now move to syria . seems to have a full out civil war going on, raises interesting questions about what iran is real in the united states. one because they seem to be concerned about what happens if a side were to fall in syria, which is a real change of tune. and you've got, i'm just sort of interested in the state of play of it runs access of resistance, whether that's even a thing anymore. but i think it's important to recognize that uh, even though around is opposing us imperialism in western imperialism. it sounds like an imperialist power itself and, and also a rather reactionary one,

frankly. and the only reason that the site is still in power right now, frankly, is because of support. the other ran and, and, and, and, and then it has, it has blog, rainy and back group. and of course, the russians. now the problem right now for the sod regime is at russia is obviously occupied with preoccupied by ukraine, or that's where most of their jet fighters and others other than the bombing level and other cities a. and during the earlier phase of the civil war, hang on, i have had gone as well. actually obviously, you know, has, you know, how much was leadership killed and, you know, they are struggling to, to rebuild and, and trying to continue to defend loving. and of course, many of their possessions in syria were bombed by, uh, you know, by a israel as well. and so this is given the opposition groups and opening impacts. so effective some indications that the,

the strong and the other eval groups were only planning a very limited response to it to an air strikes and killed a bunch of civilians a couple of weeks ago. and when the syrian troops nelson away, they said, hey, let's see how far we can go. and they have continued to, to, to move forward. and so, you know, i think the international dimensions obviously are very important regarding around involved in, regarding turkey and, and russia and israel. but i think is really important. distressing, ultimately a, this is about the syrians and, and the is underscore, is that the more important really then the the less lessening support from outside or is where the regime start is back the sod. regina is typically does not have any, any credibility. this todd regina is, does not have the support of its own people. and it's that, that is why you know that things are, are collapsing at least as much as the less than far and support. again,

ask you one last on fair question regarding palestine and israel, which seemed to have a lot of enmity for each other, at least of the leadership. right now, how would you advise anyone to get out of the gym loop of the back and forth between israel and palestine? yeah, well frankly, i think the most important thing is to change us policy. because israel will not be getting away with what it's doing that where they did it not with, with the not having the blank check from the world was number one, a super power. when you have this unconditional military, economic and diplomatic support by government, which also claims to be essentially the sole mediator and the conflict, obviously you're not getting very far. i mean, is riley's like any people you have the left and the rightness center. you know, people on the left for a form, for moral or from pragmatic reason say hey, is real, need some, make the necessary compromises for peace on the right for a religious or nationalist or other reasons. so i know we can,

we can control the whole area we should keep going to war, but most is rarely is there in the middle and history history and is when the rare times united states has pressured israel a little bit is really some moves the left in terms of their, uh, their voting patterns and, and, and, and opinions. and when they feel like they have a blank check here, right, we have nothing to lose. you might as well go for broke. they tend to align with the right. and that asymmetry and power will continue until the united states a part is at least some kind of tough love, or whatever it is. we're all saying, you know, we're not going to continue giving you a blank check where you can, can that these atrocities continue. this sort of this brutal occupation and, and, and continue policies which are uh, you know, obviously horrific for the palestinians, but ultimately don't provide you with the security that you desire either we'll, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for your candor, professor of politics and international relations at the university of san

francisco, stevens. eunice, really appreciate your time. my pleasure. so what's the bottom line president elect? donald trump has perfected the art of webinar using unpredictability. it works to his advantage everywhere here in the united states and all over the world. so is he going to be a nixon type president who bucks the establishment and goes to china? or is he going to get in line behind this really prime minister benjamin netanyahu, just like his predecessors did because it's easier. and because he likes strong autocratic rulers, don't forget trump reportedly hates victims and hates under dogs and calls them losers. and within days of the outbreak on the war on gauze and last year from said quote, b, b do what you need to do, lending and support to the campaign of devastation against everyone and everything . well, get this instability leads to more instability. just look at syria now, and this pass that the us is really insist on good land them somewhere. they don't like. it's like shakespeare said, these violence, the lights have violent and,

and that's the bottom line. the wants to f o, the fluid frontier is wasted with tens of thousands of put outlets. power in south korea has been transformed from west defender is to build a leader and for the recycling i, the reporting on how new technology is making this possible. and can yeah, i mean the problem of incentives. what do you, how do you think just for the labor? no, it's depends on a new place, arthritis or just the

this is a region that is washington. we develop thing, but it's one also that is afflicted by conflict. police collapse. we try to balance the stories, the good, the bad, i think. and he's the people allow us into their lives dignity into minus. he asked me to tell the story as a sanctuary for journalists. it was a hey, from the war and shelter for civilian refugees. web ex got throwed into the garden during cam boat is bloody civil stuff during us up to here. and suddenly we were turning the facts on the canal room. she had taken anything of value out of the

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