3 of intelligence proposed the forcible and permanent transfer of palestinians from because the street, the people in power, those just the history of the amount of spinning and displacement and explores whether clearing palestinians from because the occupied west bank is ready to transfer on and just yeah, as of war and sanctions, main, syria is in the, in need of reconstruction for and funding is essential along with political stability. so what and vital to the countries future can begin. how can this be achieved and who will pay? this is inside story, the other there are welcome to the program. i'm the clock. so yeah,

is of civil war have ruined vast areas of syria with international sanctions. also, d grading, its infrastructure and stopping it of investment, syrians face a new political don't want many, a preoccupied with what's next and what might just a much from syria is deeply fractured and complicated, political environment, whatever kind of government takes over it, faces the immediate task of rebuilding a broken country that will need major international help and finance from for an pause. some with competing and conflicting political interest in syria. so what needs to be done to rebuild it and who will for the bill and how will the international community respond to serious needs? we'll get to these issues with, i guess in a moment. but 1st, this report from calculate based on the to displace the syrians like these 11 on hard looking to go back to their homeland and build a future much of syria itself will also have to be rebuilt.

somebody the but it is the hand in hand to rebuild this country. please. let's do it quickly. this is for the syrian people we will rebuild. the more than a decade of fighting has ravaged cities and towns across syria. rebuilding it will be expensive and investors are already lining up the turkish government. that the main opposition group as soon as it's ready to play a role in serious reconstruction, sort of letting you ended up going to get it. and we will continue our work to ensure the voluntary and safe for tentative syrians and for the reconstruction of the country. took it, which gave of hands to it, syrian brothers in that difficult days will also be with them in the new chapter that opened a damascus. don't let him go. the doctors and the capital people lineup for bread and fuel families here have dealt with the weak economy and crippling sanctions for

years, and many say they're ready to rebuild their lives in the countries infrastructure and then not gone down on the we've had a gas crisis fuel prices, a crisis of everything, and even a bread crisis, hopefully things will get better now. the new administration now has to balance domestic and regional interest as it starts the process of rebuilding syria capielo for so the un which is 0 for insights story. so that's calls rebuild in country, takes a lot of time, a lot of money off of the war in iraq initial reconstruction estimates in 2018, reached more than $88000000000.00 with this being a little to show for it. much disappeared through mismanagement regional divisions and through corruption in afghanistan and the us designated more than a $140000000000.00 for reconstruction. the once the taliban and re game power, most international funds were frozen on the sanctions and estimated $495000000.00

as needed to rebuild ukraine during the next decade. and the cost of rebuilding garza is estimated at more than $80000000000.00. all right, let's bring it in all x, but guess in damascus we have seen him have to hit who is a non resident fellow with these through the project blanket council. and don't tell me, i can make an associate professor and say hi, institute for graduate studies. he specializes in public policy including conflict resolution and for an aide. and a more, probably a in from friday the, you please join us the executive director of a local development and small project support, which is an n g o that so that supports accounts will governance in syria. welcome. all of you to inside story cnn. i'd like to start with you if i may, they're in the hospital in damascus, where no doubt the intense you for your and still this sense of astonishment of just how fast things have changed. so i'm sure. but people will soon need to turn

their minds the thoughts of reconstruction. how important is it in your view that this starts as soon as possible? i, i thank you for having me. based on the few interviews, i noticed that actions we had with the look up the foundation as well as the local community and signatories. this is exactly what they have in mind. once the order is established, it's house around the city house to get access to fuel and how to get all the services working as expected right now, they are a lot of anticipation whole, but also concerns. uh the few uh, early steps taken by adult position has been somehow somewhat reassuring. but what they need to see now is the actions that much to try to you know, the situation on the ground. very well, estimates of reconstruction in syria ranging from $250000000000.00 to even some

estimates, a one trillion dollars. whatever way you look at a, it is a colossal some just how broke couldn't in your view, is the nation's infrastructure. well, um, i mean for us to say that i'm, i'm, i would drop, i use another to another deconstruction, let's say a needs, it's not only it's impress steps here to be this big one. stop it, then. what do we need in syria is, is that whole rebuilding of the country? actually, to be honest as it doesn't go for new country. and that, that's actually starts with with what, what company wants to build, which is what is going to be water and use social contract. and, and definitely there is a need to reconstruct the housing infrastructure to restart the or the ending tools on, on lots of the very important sectors. but as you mentioned, health education, but also uh electricity and water and provision. and the problem is not

all these not to look at at that. this has a very uh, image in your response model and curse what we have to do to play the stabilize as much as we can and a good time to define what is the city of us we want to build. and then how we want to build in 2018. i was about to for group that actually help city and civil society to issue principles on how to build new. so you have to rebuild syria. and i think we have to go through these. and i think we're not going to wait for the whole political process that would define the new i would say this short term contract and the new prostitution ending new government to be in place. but we have to have some kind of schools because we want, we want to, to build properly, am and, and make sure that's why we're building. we're not damaging interests and rights of people. and it's not only about the top of the buildings,

it's about definitely before anything else. it's about about the building a nation indeed to very, very early days and the transition to say the least. but critical that this uh, political stability is reached before reconstruction. before rebuilding can stop all kind of political stability and become when the country's infrastructure is rebuilt, which way run, does it next? very good question. i mean in my opinion, and political stability is the most and it's a precondition for any viable and sustainable construction process. i mean, when i say what if it comes to the ability, i mean, a few things. first of all, as you'll guess for the mention of the social contract or do i thought to put it in the front, we a statement on inclusive government, dr. presents all syrians and most importantly hasn't the condition. we're not there yet. so this has to be more or less agreed upon. second to the old. so you need to,

and soon as i, as a nation, i mean we all remember the national instructions that i've been in, bows and see if there's a need to substitute geem mainly the as see that act. and this has to be lifted emitted to leave. but my guess is the good you won't be observing and launching the behavior of the new government, then they will think on that on this move on terms that most importantly we're not done with fighting, get see that it means that they find it the country by large you have now the new government territory is then you have the good state entities. and most importantly of these related factor design is bumping logs, celia infrastructure facilities, and as occupied a new chunk of flat of see area. so still going to cause i'm also going to do the construction. one is what it is. one attack is with a falsely. i'm and lastly, from my perspective i maybe you've had to, has into this, you need to buy from something society in syria. the x of the launch doke, see that the laptop i sort of having an independent society functioning within the

city of the country because of the very impressive mention of the see dr. gene and for desktop. and you need also to build this culture becomes effective as the function, the concern, the email for the interest that you can't think people, i mean following them to have a site in politics and to have a center destiny. so um it says on the pick on the teams, things time, right. and let me bring this thing down again there and damascus incident. this is the thing is that you need to, i guess, create the conditions for the different parts of society to meet, to live together in peace, to create the, the sense of that physical reconstruction is possible given everything that's happened in this timing. and that is an incredibly complex process. a yes indeed. well, if the, if you look at the previous example, the experience of the position in the northern fog to see this is not gonna be an easy fit. uh, there is a lot of factors to counselor and there is a lot of competition. uh,

that would be ongoing between the defacto authorities as well as the angels all looking to get access to their constituency and to convince people about the good news. i believe for the civil society and laws that that they'll position doesn't have the testing, the depth in terms of capacity to be able to fill all the void left by the easy. there is a lot of spaces that needs to be filled quickly within the states. i forgot the way it is and services or also and facing adjusting a new constitution or a new sort of a contract. and i believe that there is a new actor now coming to the surface that you haven't seen. and the. 8 active in the last few years with which are the large communities and therefore in damascus. and how about that they have been largely, you know, uh oppressed, unable to take part of this uh,

activities and they've been looking for with for this day. of course, the 1st few days and weeks are going to vickie all day because they haven't had this experience before. and this is where also the syrian and your civil society have advice, a role on how to engage with disabilities and to get them to each office to get them up and working on all of these very critical issues. this have been since the city and civil society and exile has been very active over the last 14 years. they have went through a lot of this, the exercises, in theory. and i believe that now there is room at the finally to put this in to practice. so as there is a lot of concern and lots of, it's a tendency, but there's also a lot to put this on hold. if i don't even just look at the one issue, john's issue of housing, and we've got millions of syrian refugees of 3 and

a half 1000000 in tuck elaine, you've got millions of internally displaced people. the ship scale over ton could be absolutely overwhelming and it could be years before they can even be house properly. the yes and also you have to add to it is you can all come to the job, you know, you know, but it can't be mother and the they are the proper drugs haven't been violated for, for 4 years now by the easy. and so we, we have also obligations of, i'm not the only a, i would say logistical think what happened. we have legal implications. we have human dillion implications that we have to get about. and basically, i think the hold up, i'm going back to your best to elizabeth, which would stop 1st. does not believe we definitely would need to stop immediate speak that re establishment of a file for space. and the definition of when you were a contract, the sort of contract, but the federal, we definitely need to do some steps. as you mentioned, we have a huge pressure people inside of setting up permission. those to run through

a done on not having the basic needs they have, they don't have a good that they don't have the good services that they, they need. but it is there. in this case, what we need is we need that's a pretty good approach, stabilizing approach. but the principle and make sure that when we advance in start slowly recovering for design being stabilizing, we have a lot damage and we have upgrading damage that we'd have to deal with later on that point in terms of i would say interest such that both are about to be social cohesion that we have, we're not creating a new in just so we actually find those how they kind of injustice has to be released. so it's, it's, it's a, it's a balance that's a good balance. and as you mentioned, sort of idea, and that's tricky, not to mention we've, we've been working on this a lot. we are almost the trading ad, but that's not the what we have to be to is, is to coordinate. how can we just to be the roles between us, the, the, the, the, the government, the, the in, in, in the international energy,

always the un agencies and the donors themselves. how we can distribute the roles in order to make sure, cuz the process will get onto the issue of, of, of douglas and funding in just a 2nd. thanks for that friday. so it is the time of your from dogs are there. there is a distinct parallel between syria and gauze, and not least in the front of the base, runing bought policies prescribe is a terrorist group by the west. how does that fit into the scheme of things? do you think i of good importance uh neck, because uh in garza we have a legit, democratically available. we use that, but a democratically elected government on by maps which was sanctioned by the international community. and this of this of the major impact on donors, priorities and behavior. i don't think it on as or did they want. they decided to work at a way you from the government to do no contract policies with the government, the glendale parties in isolation of the government, then move on priorities and we don't want the sonata to happen to see the, i mean,

we know the edged yes. as so far as we could still leave, but as i said, it was still going to is ation. and, but we have been, uh, i mean, but apparently there is an appetite, but then comes community to live in sessions on this, on this movement and accept it as the, as the look completed with the 2nd player. and so it's important when i mean politics are the most current to continue with the comfortably because we know it comes with conditions what political conditions, key donors also the want to make sure that the interest also are more or less visible in whatever 8 they provide. to all countries as all the details and i'm sure city i would rely ordered it. i mean there will be at some point maybe very soon amazing confidence for reconstruction. it'll be constructing cdm. i mean, hopefully often we have a civil government in place. and then then the politics looked again, i mean because a does not free and does not have been freed. and this is what i think the syrians

have to be very careful. and i'm also to make sure that they have negotiation capacities to present that as of the pursuit of people that also navigate to this complex negotiation process to protect the national dentist as well. so it's a complex generic of the cdns, but most importantly is unit to unit the i'm the presentation. if whatever government comes in, please, as soon and see area has these 2 elements, the legitimacy that i'm presented to the visit that i'm being representative of the lodge and the segment of sales societies. i think the students won't be in a much better position to negotiate uninsured, up their own interests are, are being addressed lots, i'm doing this interest or some international politics. okay. an interesting time and thanks for that to send back with you at this issue of money and where it's coming from. we talked about is we talking about funding, but we've also talked about how much money is needed and hundreds of billions of dollars, who's going to provide that money,

who's going to cough up because there's so many other media areas, guys that ukraine afghanistan ends in a time when countries the well to economically deprived, they didn't have much the cash. so who's going to provide the money that syria needs? yeah, this indeed, this is actually one of the biggest sellers of the city and people are facing right now. actually if we look at the historical data of the last 3 years, we can at least very clearly see drops and internet didn't aids, which was the emergency response. so there's even less up to type. now speaking about funds coming to for the recovery. uh for the construction uh the u. n. d b, obviously you have a vital role to play in this. previously, they've been there was talking about sacrificing early at a company plus fund that would be partially. and most of the actually even find this by the out of states. so we're looking to see how this plan will evolve. now

let's see if you guys feel the office out and, and hopefully under a more representative on last. and why is that a business suburb and, but we also have to be creative is the city. and that's for us that could be also insights into investing to the local economy, motor security and infrastructure lots where the money is going to come from the private sector. there's also the capacity is the ability to look at the public private partnerships with the possible bomb this issue. but all of this is at the end of the day is really condition by listing sanctions or syria. not only caesar low, but sanctions on the central bank sections on a 6 total economy. and this is gonna be a tremendous tennis. given that once again, it is at the end of the day is admitted to the organization and,

and how they behave. and the last 2 is in the coming to days and weeks. it's very important to, for them to demonstrate how open they are and how it will be in the country. you know, in a manner that looked on through the syrian history ition of literacy. but also for international standards that they are capable of working with at the end of the day this would be to find the, i guess we, we also have to look at the cdn has been a lot of pressure date and that looking to offend. and they are very uh, very full full i've i've, i've had several interviews with the business given to you here in damascus. and i believe now they're looking to look at those. that's what enables them to work

again and to be invested in the, the searing business community itself. very, very important at friday. if i may, i'd like to come back to these issues of sanctions that i was just mentioned that by cnn. because we had this complex and extensive sanctions regime, which is probably well, a decisive roland sir, is economic decline. how important is this whole issue of sanctions and the fact that they should be lifted? it is important, however, we have to be realistic. i don't think sections is something that actually can be lift, that seems to be what they have. boss, experience is, uh section. are you seeing something honest, easier to put in place? don't take off and it's gonna take us some time and then, and definitely did the international committee, it would require some conditions to do that then. and it's up to the kind of i'm calling, i would say controlling by the that i to actually make sure that the, the, the conditions are met. but at the same time, i would like just to go back

a little bit what then there was seeing and then also what the, what the, what the, what not. and let's say i think i, if we want to on our future, we have to find out what creative ways to make sure that we have most of the required funding for our country from our on, on resources. and for that we have to create this social uh, it is a major point that actually would attract people who make people be back again in their country and invest the power and energies and the millions of families of i see in passport outside, we have millions on it's not hundreds of thousands, millions the capacity, financial capacity behind it is tremendous. forces the live forces of the city and economy out there. the private sector is there we are. are a zillion nation. i don't have to prove it to you. we've been waiting for for this moment for the last 13 and a half years and we kept on moving. so we are very visiting, syria is one of the cables,

a community. now we want to be back in our role in how things are managed progress . we don't want to continue our role as consumers of this international load. you might him a man, syrian aid, 5 or consumers of, of the woods, a cultural and economic go off of damage. we want to be at the bottom of it. we can, well, we have proven school history that we can make it. we're gonna make it again. it's gonna take us time. it's difficult. but let me, let me throw it out so it is all ready to jump in the fight. it was to be this running out of time, and i just want to go to, i lost a guess that one last time at time of the festival. so the life forces is a friday just said the life forces of the sharing economy event and they're ready to go. what's your sense about the potential of this being developed from within a 100 percent? i mean, um, i mean, i mean students, again, that has been in people. i mean, i don't have to talk about syrians. i mean, if it was, they go on the board into the spirit. i mean, they both respect tons of people and that's a sector. but again, i mean,

my field is again, what i worry about is we don't live in the field wards and the one has become so global nice and so open and connected. so politics, methods, and so for the seed has to stand a defensive interest and achieve that for them dependence and the, the whole site, the development approach. i'll go back to the key point again, stability, social conflict is very important. viewed items. the sky is the limits that affect methods. there wouldn't be victims of politics. and that's the only message i want to leave. i would say when people with sends sent on this importance of this sense of identity, especially times like this is critical for a nation. and we've seen throughout the war and the, the ongoing conflict that many historical senses have been very, very badly damaged. since the ancient city relapse had listed as a world heritage site by your netscape at the start center of homes, and indeed the action sites and palmera. how important is it?

the focus is put on that kind of sense of identity, the cultural heritage of the nation. this is very important question. i believe that unfortunately it takes time to see if we're splitting off again the gift back. this is in glory to displace it. but when comes to identity, i think we will have to realize that the source defense of we don't think there's a very strong sense of belonging to the cdn people. we've been getting calls every 5 minutes from different parts of the world from see. and just for us, some of them have left the country for 2 years ago. some of them are asking, how can we help? how do we, can we come back video, this common sense that we have to build the country together. you have to put our hands together. i think this would be the cornerstone of this event. i did the

feedback you have with this all, and i think now with this ray of hope, the end of for saturday i said the rules and this 60 years of that still really, there is a lot of energy. how the shunt is, is how to send that listen to the right way is how to make sure that there's coordination. and there is no chaos. there is no uncoordinated efforts here. also i, i have to pull back again on the important thing. crystal rule of this event, civil society role. it's because there has been the most organized entity of the last 2 here. they have been able to work with and just for us has been able to create so sufficient from scratch. i have delivered extended services across the board. their goal now is how to expand their mandates and how to work and to reach out to the newest community and how to really enjoy the rest of the city and society. and i believe that this is this tremendous love for this

country coming from every see from seeing it from, from the society, from so many people including loyalist intuitive people who previously were working with the city and state was coming back on via nursing to help the come see, send up like it. all right, well, historic important times gentlemen. thank you to you all to sit on has a head to time i come newton, freddie dot you. thanks very much. thank you for watching. can see the program again any time i just visit our website, i'll just here a dot com and to get into it further, just go to my facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x or handle is at a inside the main, the clock and the whole thing here is good bye. for now, the

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