people susceptible to government control, this type, again, is designed to inflame and defense the way that the story is being told, not right, and it's not accurate from social networks to legacy media. the listening post exposes the forces behind the headlight on out, is there a final pushed by the 5, not ministration to stop. israel is was on cost to top officials. there's no region to hold thoughts on how to stop the fighting and secure the release of the company . so what's bringing and then it goes to the table and it's a cx 5 deals testing. this is inside store the hello welcome to the program i but it's to palestinians on these rarely use a sick men by making new efforts to pause the fighting and gossip. any deal is

expected to involve an exchange of his rarely captives for palestinian prisoners us national security advisor jake sullivan on secretary of state. and he blinked. cannot vote in the region trying to drive the negotiations council has resumed its mediation rolled along with egypt. and a truce would be the 2nd since the start of the will in october about last year. so what's changed to allow these talks to restore the weeks before joe biden steps down? how long might a ceasefire last on how many captives and prisoners could be released? will take up these questions with all guests shortly. but 1st, this report by saturday the, these is ready, protest is have a new name that prime minister missed the sacrifice. and we are standing here today to remind yet young with the this is his read is crime, the abandonment of hostages. we still have a 100 hostages in the laza for over

a year. now he has been jeopardizing deals where ever he goes and all wall prioritizing his bloody coalition. we call them mr. a band and mr. sacrifice. as these ro continues, it's unrelenting. who in gaza? benjamin netanyahu, whose government is facing mounting pressure to ended. so it was in favor of draft . recently the united nations general assembly voted overwhelmingly on wednesday to demand an immediate cease spa. and while the resolution is on binding, it makes clear international. suppose the palestinians in the strip is growing. justice must be subs and empty and the t must and israel is continuing with the genocide. nevertheless, god doesn't exist anymore. it is destroyed, palestinians that are facing hunger, despair and death. we have studied before, histories, the harshest critic of connections and histories being written as receive here

today is well staunched ally the united states veto. because as the spa resolution, the full time the by didn't, administration has done so, but it's sent its top diplomats to the region for another round of talks. and what's believe to be a final push by the outgoing administration to secure a deal? do you know of the key mediators in the region say, peace can be achieved with this? both sides are serious. it's all about the many questions. is that a willingness to end the war? yes or no? is there a willingness to have the exchange then? yes or no, those are 2 very simple questions with very simple answers of the answers though, yes, on both questions, then we have it. but despite resumed efforts to reach a sci fi on the ground, palestinians continue to stop the, the brutal realities of displacements, more destruction,

a more loss of innocent life. sorry, go out to 0, the inside story. all right, let's bring in august to honey and most stuff is a senior. i'm a list on palestine of the international crisis group. she joined just from a mom, but nothing prime is a full minute go see i to i'm professor political science a bar line university. he joins us from head sylvia in israel and joining us by scott from dough highs. oh, my robin, a fellow at the middle east council on global affairs, a warm welcome. see, will i, omar? i'll stop with you with you. do you think care from what you're hearing that a deal does look likely this time around? well, i'd caution any of your viewers to accept progress in these talks to face value. over the past year, we've seen many times in which the task or progress towards top talks have

been manipulated right or cynically, by various parties for various ends. and so there may be, i'm not saying that there's not momentum this time around or that they're not close to a deal, but certainly i would take it with a grain of salt. that being said, you know, i don't see any fundamental difference this time in terms of the main issue which has frustrated for which is the fact that israel desires a permanent military presence in the got a strip or a law for military presence. and has had no and so far in ending its military campaign in the goddess trigger, override the purpose of which is to destroy got an estimate because the population . so i haven't seen any change in that. where there may be a difference is that maybe have mass fighters, you know, have either looked at the situation in terms of the debilitation of the resistance and think, well, you know,

nobody's coming to save us. there's not gonna be any change. maybe we maybe we can come to terms of some type of temporary cease fire, or we released the hostages. we get some relief. and we can move into a different phase of this complex, almost a leap of faith into the trunk, but ministrations ability to bring about and the possibilities. or, you know, there could be some other reason. uh, maybe, uh, the hostage themselves are close to today. they can't take care of them anymore and they might as well treat them for something to honey. uh oh, my touchstone. that is how most perhaps more isolated now with the d. o piece deal that to cease by deal israel has signed with has paula might that mean that might be more likelihood of a deal this time around? well, i mean, i would definitely, uh, one question about taking events in syria and lebanon as the source of the gulf coast that will influence in any way the potential,

the cause of seized by i think i touched upon what we have seen since the 7th of october of the last year is that israel is likely to try and get away with whatever it can. and i think it seems that israel now with, with trump steering coming into your, into your office, may try considering a trading sponsor, trump by allowing, you know, the total earnings ations or even an increase estimate activity in the west bank. so i think, you know, reduce your c is fine because of it's likely going to be a mechanism for israel continued to do. what it's doing now is competing garza, but when the political cover, much as it has done in the case of 11 on and the other stuff will cease fire that is where i was able to then negotiate or impose on up in on. and then at the same time, via they not some well hearing suggestions that kept as the cast was prime minister said that we've seen that we sense the after the election, the election. the momentum is coming back from these riley perspective is now a better time for

a deal. do you see momentum from these rarely side on this side of the software as a whole year on the casualties that we saw for the effort every day, every day wake up to see young faces. so soldiers, young soldiers on the front page of. busy newspapers and on the screen is right sufferers casualties. it's not going. so when to hold gas j therefore is really is ready to i'm in 3 to take a break in the operation in augusta. the key question is, what, who are the stadium prison is? that is one agrees to release in exchange all the hostages. this is yet to know, but it was, and those always willing to negotiate on it did not,

but for all the wrong and the power for voting. but from the weakness, the army is fund peak. we have a problem the have has a problem to continue fighting the ford escape. it must take a break and this week, and this brings me to the government to, to, to talk home the dean and covering kids up there that they cover up their weakness with the ongoing that what happens in syria is because all are successful duration in the bundle. ringback i mean, not some thank you very much. i oh my, i take your initial hesitation to believe that the might be something and they'll think this time round because we have been here before. but the, the region has changed since the last time around. how much is more isolated off to what's happened in the lab and on,

and not gonna touch strongly. a weakness will be the need of these really military to, to, to sort of take a pause. the circumstances lend themselves domain more now to a some sort of agreement that may have previously is like really see the kind of ancillary where the regional context has changed and not the it could influence the calculations of the various parts, both israel and mouse. and there's nothing to cheat on the ground. that being said, there was a fundamental issue here that had frustrated any progress towards stocks in the past. and that is come out of who's demanding an end to the finding an indefinite end to the finding. and a and a, a removal. it was really soldiers from the ga strip. let's see. i refused that again, it's point of view and its objective was to place a permanent and military presence in the gaza strip to ethnically class. not just the north, really the whole strip, but with an egypt refused to open its borders. those, those plans the ball. so we've seen that take place as well as achieve minutes of

the of its objectives. the god district has been destroyed, its population is pushed out most of the north at this point. and how math is a we can force so they may come to an agreement, but i don't think they're going to come to the room and on the original in terms of the agreement. and how about how to take a leap of faith that with no guarantees that once they released those hostages, israel's not going to keep the fighting going once again, i'll resume to fight. that's another sticking point in the past. there was nobody to guarantee that the only one that had to leverage over israel to make it comply with the united states who showed no ability or willingness to put that type of leverage pressure over israel in the past. and so what i'm outside of no guarantees the end of the fighting, maybe this time around again, we've seen a different calculation. they're willing to concede those points and say, we just need an end to the finding in a whole, the end to the finding holes under strong ministration. tanya, it would take a leap of faith wouldn't it?

as almost as from hamas that they have previously insisted on that completed is riley withdrawal. israel's never going to agree to that things that we've seen is riley israel building military infrastructure along the middle of gaza to splits it into 2. so why will how mass now have to take my time, us take this leap of faith. a look, i, i don't think tomas is a current sort of a proposal now is significant is a significant leap story from what it has pre previously. demonte thomas has shown that it is waiting to be flexible, at least in terms of the language being used and these, these 5 discussions and negotiations. you know, we've seen it's just it's, it's uh, golf course other than last year in terms of assess demanding a total of the patient and immediate until just patient a possibilities to then every inch for phase per se us. and now with this current agreement away, and you know how much has been a bit more lenient about his demand about the complete removal of any use really

ground troops in garza. and now you know, existing, that'd be a temporary process until, you know, see a total of the patient hostilities takes effect. um, now i think was at the same time again, i would be reading questions about the learning this that, that the access to resistance and none of us missouri. and i've been on a more about the pressure on that from us now experiencing from regional mediators, especially syria, sorry, saudi arabia come to an agent. where are we seeing, especially over the last couple of weeks, there's been immense pressure on from us to try and engage in negotiation talks to what we thought about, you know, in terms of how, you know, the governance of cause, you know, competing to agreements that on the months prior, it was very unlikely, but from asked to have agreed here in terms of reconciliation tools and now with these negotiations. so i think definitely the pressure is more coming from the regional media to us, but also the fact that even domestically now, how much the seeing a significant compliant in his popularity,

not just in places like god forbid even in the west bank and then ask them just to stick with this issue is riley, uh, troops in gaza. they are putting in infrastructure that are in the middle of the middle of gauze, as, as we've said, is riley's never leaving gauze? is it what do you think the plan there is? for these riley's, it is highly split, very end to stay so long as it goes to sleep. there's no body, no agency ends at horizon. that is sprint bearing during blaze. there's ready army, but he will be gone by the military. so it seems to me, it also seems to me that how my school know that they can not impose on this one to leave got a seat. however, how much to enjoy the power that we've out, it's the agreement. no one can read. you guys a full. what does it mean for the base? right?

is it to me is war of attrition. get rid of more, i guess is only army and casual. this is why we suffer for as long as it's right of stays in god. it is we, as i say, as a society, i think that we are repeating our beloved, the experience itself. lead bundle that, that's the, that's the situation now it goes off and for the forest for that is seeing this really hold on. okay. awesome. thank you. oh, my don't know from the side of that would be all hell to pay in the middle least if the captives were not released by his inauguration in january house. what he said, really had an impact is do caps, a egypt, how mouse and these are all available trying to avoid the blame if there is no a truesdale before then. and perhaps some of them are trying to avoid the blame. i

think gaza is already a hell of so i'm not sure there's anything that a trunk can do. i don't know what it means by that, but i don't think there's anything he can do to worse and the situation for the people of god or suffering a genocide at the hands of israel, but it doesn't get worse. and at the same time i agree with the, with the he said, you know, there is pressure on those, those factors that have been the mediators of egypt and others to, you know, take in a more pro, at. ready this point cause i've had already kind of possibly mediation because it wasn't going anywhere. it was acting as a cover. now trump is common said, you know, we want to restart this talk. i don't want just going on when i take office and january 28th. and so i think they've taken on a new kind of urgency, and maybe they're pressuring her mouth where they can in order to comply. so i think that is, it is a bit of a change in dynamic, but terms of what trauma saying, i really don't know. what else heard or the united states can do to make the life

of the people in gaza more of the hell than it or it's it's a honda it did what trumpet, se, uh, is it having any impact on all the various parties in this trying to avoid the risk of carrying the blame if there isn't a deal. and i think it's definitely uh, pressures um in different directions, but i don't think it's necessarily with regards to what's happening cause or per se, but more to do with, with the respective interests of those regional mediators that are involved what's happening cause of the day off day is going to have huge robust occasions for egypt that she has a border with garza and you know, it's not the has its own interest in terms of the normalization deal that's been called on the back burner since this recent onslaught. so i think they're on their various interests, upset and he may not necessarily to do with the kinds of threats but from to is sort of by initiating i think there are said how, how much work can things get. so progress thing is, especially in cause of the, you know, effectively what you're seeing still is the, the, you know, the lack of international accountability that has effectively enabled israel. and

to, to commit what the un describes, of the genocide is only going to be further enhanced. and i think under trauma, you know, where bite into nothing to accept as well. what do you mean? it's access to us. my thing, we think trunk is likely to actively encourage his route and not just to get things finished and gods and foster, but also at least from where, where the kinds of statements by seeing and there's lots of people that he's appointed. i think you guys would most likely to be overlook whatever else israel does in place. if i have been on syria and on the west bank, i mean a may not consider for the palestinians in gaza with, with the hope that will be opposed to give them some measure of relief. but if there is, would it be hard if a israel to restart the fighting? if, if let's say, for arguments sake, there's a 60 day pools or truce, or c spot. i am quite sure that there's a way to find the excuse to review the war in augusta back to

the is ready right away and i would like to add, but the reason we regarding dropped is on the right. we start the preparing a se missing. i will regarding the was back to the united with drop administration. so for all this really right away and the fact the guys don't use ours, we go draw it. that's fine. no, let's work on the westbank. this is the next target. i suggest not, not a founding, the west bank because of the right with you with the dairy on christ as a drug and the blood shifted the general. so i'm in the gulf stream. okay, well, i'm not, i'm just on sticking with netanyahu. what all his calculations, that is it. okay. i'll go to see file with his bullet and 11 on us all last night is gone. so gonzo is week and i'm in a stronger position to be able to make any mind

a compromise that i might have to on the definitely right. not too long. yeah, absolutely right. this is his calculation. he can, he can say i brought oh hostages. they have the, the goal for live and they, the bodies of the good ones, but not all of them, but to really continue our finding good. all right, in order to bring all of them back home, able to gain some boys in the public opinion. not all the boys know i have many, we criticize he'd be there for ranking the sessions. so how much or at banding in the rest of the hostages? but you can gain something from the big public opinion and then mean then because it is, is the base that that's exactly what the, what, what, what he's doing. he wants to,

can you please base with the public opinion is public opinion shows that there is a criticism on that the offer, but assuming the hostages. so he must confront the fees and the casualties, the sort of sufferers. the guys are in the army fatigue. it goes up, so he has more to gain the tools in his calculation. omar is not it, but man, yahoo is, is a comparatively now in a, a position of strength to be able to make any mind a concessions you might need to. yeah. yeah. and i think what has transpired, god, he's out of time and the resources to destroy the goddess trip and push the people out of north. so in that sense, he's achieved one of the, one of his overriding aids. whether, you know, he got a total victory over at math or not, but that's not the case, but i think he's in such a position now, especially with what's happened and whether or not as well as syria that he can

kind of look towards. if he can, making a hostage deal that brings those houses home and relieve some of the pressure points within his own society. again, we're at a point where he's also on trial is, you know, he's got a lot of things going on in which he's trying to deflect from and, and, and repair his image in front of his follow up. so that would be one step in doing that. i think i know ma, do we know what in fluids, what impact the condition of policy needs and goals is having on, on how much these calculations do have any idea how that affects them? i don't know what it can be good. ringback i mean the situation is so. ready immensely dire that, you know, i think i and it's, you know, have this is, isn't it is in a position where it wants to do whatever it can probably to relieve that situation . and you know, it's me coming to some kind of deal. maybe they're ready to do that to honey. uh,

we've seen information we've seen satellite images recently of construction work around the rough uh, crossing an indication of maybe improved access to, to a rough uh, reopening of that might be in any deal. practically. how important is it for palestinians and not parts of gauze to get the roof of crossing open and running again? well, i mean, that's absolutely critical, considering i was one of the kind of lifelines because of this list. i don't want to buy in terms of not just the entry of april so that actually going to people in and out. so i think, you know, that would certainly have to be um, you know, and absolutely critical point in any, in any sort of negotiation process. yeah. and in terms of, in terms of what the palestinians need more all, obviously it's much more aid. but in terms of how it's, how critical you've had our critical situation is, but how much more a do they need getting in there and how quickly did they need? well, i mean, the situation has absolutely dire right now. uh, you know, yes,

there are substantial allowances as a need to meet the requirements of the population and you know, never mind enough, but even in the south south is not feeling any better right now. and what we are seeing right now is that not know any of the, the amounts of age that, that are necessary that is required of actually getting an even into the ssl. and you know, with recent reports at the moment coming in about do seeing that the, i think it just a couple weeks ago you have something like an over a 100 wonder what trucks and then i think 90 percent of those will literally held at a standstill while due to securely brought everything on those trucks and they did it in full view of the ideas. so right now, you know the entire strip. nevermind. no, but even the cell is pockets in this house. are in are incomplete. do i need the okay. uh may not come uh, cut 2 captives, families and support has been kept a protesting a great numbers inside of even elsewhere in his role most since the beginning of october. since, since the thoughts of his fights and how influential have they been on base or is

of a uh, is now being much more opportunistic. it says that their, their, their influence, the public opinion in flores is limited. but it's, it's getting more and more momentum on the, you know, as long as the other resist joined and the other developments happen. so, but by itself, the pro, this, the call brings them on the full no. said to person that the, the l on less, there are other reasons that they bring it in to a grade to read, oppose temporarily, says fire in the, in the in casa, so they, they don't bring. but like i said in so many words and it does not express been, is really public. the hostages are not the no base. they are in the,

from the he's all the opposition and the, and this, but they, this maybe to be pressured up, can be pulled on the out crowd. they fairly rare opportunity so occasions that nathaniel met with the families of the, the hostages firm. and he's not also something called he, but those who are in the position very few mid dudes. oh ma. we've mentioned this. we have been here before. it's at the very last minute it's all gone. busy and, and how much has been blamed israel has been blamed, how much is a very different organization though to understand why was in charge of leadership is a more of a cooperative. now might we see more of an opportunity for some sort of deal,

however, limits at this time the policy needs and gaza would hope so. again, i think i'm asked maybe more amenable this time around. it doesn't have the same leadership, although i get it. i don't think it was, is leadership. that was the problem. the problem was they wanted to see an end to the fighting, permanent ends of the fighting. and the removal of the really military from the guy that didn't happen, that was not going to happen under nothing yahoo. and so there was nobody stopping these really military from its campaign. and so, you know, we are where we are at this point. after all, the law law says that the people that have suffered and the fact that you know, you have to keep these hostages alive and safe for 14 months. yeah. is it possible that he is unable to do that? and so maybe at this point, it's willing to trade those hostages in exchange for something. all right, folks, what, thanks very much for your very important and insides, we're out of time. but thank you to to, honey, i'm a stuff a to my not complying on to own law rahman and to thank you to for watching. you

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