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hello welcome to the program i but it's to palestinians on these rarely use a sick men by making new efforts to pause the fighting and gossip. any deal is expected to involve an exchange of his rarely captives for palestinian prisoners us national security advisor jake sullivan. i'm secretary of state and the blink cannot vote in the region trying to drive the negotiations council has resumed its mediation rolled along with egypt, and a truce would be the 2nd since the start of the war in october about last year. so what's changed to allow these talks to restore the weeks before joe biden steps down? how long might a ceasefire last on? how many captives and prisoners could be released? will take up these questions, but i'll guess shortly, but 1st this report, by saturday, the beast is ready, protest is, have a new name that prime minister missed the sacrifice. and we are

standing here today to remind yet you and young with the this is read is crime the abandonment of hostages. we still have a 100 hostages in laza for over a year. now he has been jeopardizing deals where ever he goes and all well prioritizing his bloody cool lucian. we call them mr. a band and mr. sacrifice. as these ro continues, it's unrelenting, who in gaza, benjamin netanyahu, whose government is facing mounting pressure to ended. so it was in favor of draft recently the united nations general assembly voted overwhelmingly on wednesday to demand an immediate cease spa. i'm, while the resolution is on binding, it makes clear international. suppose the palestinians in the strip is growing. justice must be subbed and impunity must and israel is continuing with the genocide. nevertheless, god doesn't exist anymore. it is destroyed,

palestinians that are facing hunger, despair and death. we have studied before, histories, the harshest critic of connections and histories being written as receive here today. it is well staunched ally the united states veto because the sea spa resolution, the full time, the bite and administration has done so bought it sent its top diplomats to the region for another round of talks. and what's believe to be a final pushed by the outgoing administration to secure a deal? do you know of the key mediators in the region say piece can be achieved with miss full sites? all serious? it's all about the many questions. is that a willingness to end the war? yes or no? is there a willingness to have the exchange then? yes or no. those are 2 very simple questions with very simple answers of the answers though yes, on both the questions when we have it. but despite resumed efforts to reach

a sci fi on the ground, palestinians continue to stop the, the brutal realities of who move displacements move destruction. a more loss of innocent life. sorry, go out to 0, the inside story. all right, let's bring in august to honey and the stuff is a senior. i'm a list on palestine of international crisis group. she joined us from a mine, but nothing prime is a form and it goes to a to i'm professor political science at bar line university. he joins us from sylvia in israel. and joining us by scott from dough highs. oh, my robin, a fellow at the middle east council on global affairs, a warm welcome. see, will i, omar? i'll stop with you with you. do you think care from what you're hearing that a deal does look likely this time? right. well,

i'd caution in your view your viewers to accept progress in these talks to face value. over the past year. we've seen many times in which the task or progress towards top talks have been manipulated right or cynically, by various parties for various ends. and so there may be, i'm not saying that there's not momentum this time around or that they're not close to a deal, but certainly i would take it with a grain of salt. that being said, you know, i don't see any fundamental difference this time in terms of the main issue which has frustrated talk for which is the fact that israel desires a permanent military presence in the got a strip or a long term military presence. and has had no and so far in ending its military campaign in the goddess trigger, override the purpose of which is to destroy got an ethnically positive population. so i haven't seen any change in that. where there may be a difference is that maybe have mass fighters, you know,

have either looked at the situation in terms of the debilitation of the resistance and think, well, you know, nobody's coming to save us. there's not gonna be any change. maybe we maybe we can come to terms on some type of temporary cease fire or we release the hostages. we get some relief and we can move into a different phase of this complex, almost a leap of faith into the trunk administrations. ability to bring about an end to possibilities, or, you know, there could be some other reason, maybe a hostage themselves are close to, to that they can't take care of them anymore. and so they might as well treat them for something to honey. uh oh, my touchstone, that is how most perhaps more isolated now with the d o piece deal that to cease by deal israel has signed with has paula might not mean that might be more likelihood of a deal this time around. well, i mean, i would definitely, uh,

one question about taking events and serial 11 on as the sort of the goal posts that will influence in any way the potential, the cause of seized by i think as what am i touched upon? what we have seen since the 7th of october of the last year is that israel is likely to try and get away with whatever it can. and i think it seems like israel now with, with trump steering coming into your, into your office, may try considering a trading of these fonts the trunk of by allowing, you know, the total adding stations or even an increase on some activity in the west bank. so i think, you know, i could use just use find, cause of it's likely going to be a mechanism for israel continued to do what it's doing now is competing garza but with political cover, much as it has done in the case of 11 on and the other stuff will cease fire that is where i was able to then negotiate or impose on up and on. and then at the same time via they may not have well hearing suggestions. that caps is cast,

as prime minister said that we've seen a, we sense the after the election, the election. the momentum is coming back from these riley perspective is now a better time for a deal. do you see momentum from these rarely side to the society? software as a whole year on the casualties that we suffer. they have every day, every day wake up to see young faces. so soldiers, the young soldiers on the front page of. busy newspapers and on the screen is right sufferers casualties. it's not going. so when to hold, god therefore is riley is ready to i'm in 3 to take a break in the operation in the gaza. the key question is, what the, who are the senior prison is that is one agrees to release in exchange all the

hostages. this is the end of the no, but it was and those always willing to negotiate on it did not. but for all the long and the powerful but from the weakness, the army is for peak. we have a problem. the army has, has a problem to continue fighting it for the escape. it must take a break and this week, and this brings me to the, the o and the government to, to, to talk on the team and covering it up there that they cover up their weakness with the ongoing that what happens in syria is because all are successful duration in the bundle. i mean, not them. thank you very much. the oh my, i take your initial hesitation to believe the might be something and they'll think this time round because we have been here before. but the,

the region has changed since the last time around how much is more isolated off to what's happened in lebanon and not been touched on. the weakness will be the need of these really military to, to, to sort of take a pause the circumstances letting themselves don't they, more now to a, some sort of agreement that may have previously is like really see the kind of ancillary where the regional context has changed not the it could influence the calculations of the various parts, both israel and have mouse and there's nothing to cheat on the ground. that being said, there was a fundamental issue here that had frustrated any progress towards stocks in the past. and that is come out of who's demanding an end to the finding an indefinite end to the finding, and a, a, and a removal. it was really soldiers from the ga strip. let's see. i refused that again, it's point of view and its objective was to place

a permanent and military presence in the gaza strip to ethnically class. not just the north, really the whole strip, but within egypt refused to open its borders. those, those plans the ball. so we've seen that take place as well as achieve many of its objectives. the goal district has been destroyed as population is pushed out most of the north at this point. um and how math is a we can force so they may come to an agreement, but i don't think they're going to come to the, even on the original terms of the agreement. and how mouse has to take a leap of faith that with no guarantees that once they release those hostages, israel's not going to keep the fighting. going once again, i'll resume the fighting. now, another sticking point in the past, there was nobody to guarantee that the only one that had to leverage over israel to make it comply with the united states who showed no ability or willingness to put the leverage pressure over his drill in the past. and so i'm outside of no guarantees the end of the fighting, maybe this time around again, we've seen a different calculation. they're willing to concede those points and say,

we just need an end to the finding a hole to the end, to the finding holes under ministration. tanya, it would take a leap of faith, wouldn't it? as almost as from how mazda they have previously insisted on the completed is riley withdrawal. israel's never going to agree to that. in fact, we've seen is riley as well building military infrastructure along the middle of gaza to split it into 2. so why will how much now have to take my time us take this leap of faith. i dont think tomas is a current sort of proposal now is significant. it is a significant leap, sorry from what it has been previously demonte time. also showing that it is waiting to be flexible, at least in terms of the language being used in these, these by discussions and negotiations. you know, we've seen it's just a, it's uh golf course other than last year in terms of access demanding a total of the vision and immediate in total station. the cost of that used to then

every inch for phase per se, us. and now with this current agreement away, and you know how much has been a bit more lenient about his demand about the complete removal of any use really ground troops in garza. and now you know, existing, that'd be a temporary process. and so, you know, see a total of the patient hostilities takes effect. um, now i think was at the same time again, i would be reading questions about the learning this, that the access to resistance and none of us missouri. and i've been on a more about the pressure that from us now experiencing from regional mediators, especially syria. so i saw the radio come to an egypt, where are we seeing, especially over the last couple of weeks, there's been a much pressure on from us to try and engage in, in negotiation talks to what we thought about, you know, in terms of timing of governance of cause, you know, to get into agreements that on the months prior to it was very unlikely, but from asked to have agreed to in terms of reconciliation tools. and now with

these negotiations. so i think definitely the pressure is more coming from the regional media to us. but also the fact that even domestic we now have lots of seeing a significant compliant and his popularity not just in place of what cost them. but even in the west bank and then ask them just to stick with this issue is riley troops in gaza. they are putting in infrastructure that are in the middle of the middle of gauze as, as we've said, is riley's never leaving gauze? is it what do you think the plan there is? for these riley's, it is highly straight barian to stay so long as it goes to sleep. there's no body, no agency ends at horizon that is sprint bearing during blaze. there's where the army, but he will be gone by the military. so it, it seems to me, it also seems to me that how much school know that they can not impose on this one to leave got a seat. however,

how about us and georgia power that without its agreement, no one can really does a full what does it mean for these, why is it to me is war of attrition? go a lot more, i guess is really army and casual. this is why we suffer for as long as it's right of stays in god it is. we as i say as a is randy. i think that we are repeating our beloved the experience itself. lead bundle that, that's the, that's the situation now it goes off and for the forest for that was seeing this really hold on. okay, awesome. thank you. oh, my donald trump decided if that would be all hell to pay in the middle least if the captives were not released by his inauguration in january house. well, he said really had an impact, is due caps, a egypt,

how mouse and these are all available trying to avoid the blame if there is no a truce deal before then perhaps some of them are trying to avoid the blame. i think gaza is already a hell of so i'm not sure there's anything that trump can do. i don't know what it means by that, but i don't think there's anything he can do to worse and the situation for the people who were suffering a genocide at the hands of israel. that doesn't get worse. and at the same time i agree with, with the he said, you know, there is pressure on those, those factors that have been the mediators of egypt and others to, you know, take in a more proactive role at this point that had already kind of caused the mediation because it wasn't going anywhere, it was acting as a cover. now trump is common said, you know, we want to restart this talk. i don't want this going on when i take off january 28th. and so i think they've taken on a new kind of urgency, and maybe they're pressuring her mouth where they can in order to comply. so i

think that is, it is a bit of a change in dynamic, but terms of what trauma saying, i really don't know. what else further, the united states can do to make the life of the people in gaza more of a hell than it or he is taught at the he did what trump to say. uh, is he having any impact on all the various parties in this trying to avoid the risk of carrying the blame if there isn't a deal? and i think this definitely uh, pressures um in different directions, but i don't think it's necessarily with regards to what's happening cause suppressed a bit more to do with, with the respective interests of those regional mediators that are involved what's happening cause of the day off day is going to have huge robust occasions for egypt that she has a border with garza and you know, saudi has its own interest in terms of the normalization deal that's been called on the back burner since this recent onslaught. so i think they're on their various interests that say you may not necessarily to do with the kinds of threats, but function is sort of by initiating i think that's almost that how,

how much work can things get. so products thing is especially in causes, but you know, effectively what you're seeing still is the, the, you know, the lack of international accountability that has effectively enabled israel. and to, to commit what the un describes as a genocide is only going to be further enhanced. and i think under trauma, you know where bite into nothing to accept as well. what you may have access to us . my ping me, i think trunk is likely to actively encourage his route and not just to get things finished and god and foster, but also at least from where, where the kinds of statements we're seeing and there's lots of people that he's appointed. i think you guys would most likely to be overlook whatever else israel does in place. if i have been on syria and on the west bank. i mean american for the, for the palestinians in gaza with, with the hope that will be opposed to give them some measure of relief. but if there is, would it be hard if a israel, to restart the fighting? if, if, let's say, for arguments sake, there's a 60 day pause or truce or seized by i am quite sure that this

one will find the excuse to resume the war in augusta. back to the is running right away. and i would like to add, the reason regarding dropped is on the right wing style, the preparing a se miss in our little regarding the was back to the united with trump administration. so for all this really right, doing the best fact the, the site is done, it's hours controlled. it, that's fine. no, let's work on the west bank. this is the next target. i suggest not, not a founding, the west bank because of the great the you whether you darian christ is a drug of the blood shifted the general. so i'm in the gulf stream. okay, well i'm not gonna just on sticking with netanyahu. what all his calculations that

is it. okay. i've got a cease fire with his bullet and 11 on us last night is. busy so gonzo is week and i'm in a stronger position to be able to make any mind a compromise that i might have to on the definitely right not to have. no. absolutely right. this is his calculation because he can say i brought home hostages, they observed. so far, live on the bodies of the good ones and not all of them, but to really continue our fighting. good. all right, in order to bring all of them back home able to gain some boys in the public opinion. not all the boys know i have many, we criticized. these are for making the sessions. so how much or if that doesn't include the rest of the hostages, but you can gain something from the public opinion and then make them because it is,

is the base that that's exactly what the, what, what, what he's doing. he wants to, can you please base with the public opinion is public opinion shows that there is a criticism on that the offer, but assuming the hostages. so even boss called from the fees and the casualties, the sort of suffers the guys out. and they are me feed in garza so he has more to gain the tools in his calculation. omar is not it, but man y'all who is, is a good, comparatively now in a position of strength to be able to make any minor concessions. you might need to, yeah, yeah, and i think what has transpired, god, that he's out of time and the resources to destroy the gaza strip and push the people out and or so. and that is, this is achieved one of the, one of his overriding aids, whether you know, he got

a total victory over at math or not. but that's not the case, but i think he's in such a position now, especially with what's happened and let on, as well as syria that he can kind of look towards. if he can, making a hostage of the deal that brings us off his own and relieve some of the pressure points within his own society. and we're getting, we're at a point where he's also on trial is uh, you know, he's got a lot of things going on in which he's trying to deflect from and, and, and repair his image in front of his follow up. so that would be one step doing that, i think i know him, i'll do we know what info is, what impact the condition of palestinians engaged as having on, on how much these calculations do. we have any idea how that affects them. i don't know what it can be. ringback i mean the situation is so. ready immensely dire that, you know, i think i and it's, you know, have this is, isn't it, it is in

a position where it wants to do whatever it can, probably a to relieve that situation. and you know, uh, its at me coming to some kind of deal. uh, maybe they're ready to do that to honey. uh, we've seen information we've seen satellite images recently of construction work around the rough uh, crossing an indication of maybe improved access to, to raft. the reopening of that might be in any deal, practically. how important is it for palestinians and not parts of gauze to get the roof of crossing open and running again? i mean, that's absolutely critical, considering how far is one of the kind of lifelines because of before someone talked to her. but in terms of not just the entry of april, so that actually going to people in analysis and i think you know, that would certainly have to be um, you know, and obviously the critical point in any or in any sort of bad negotiation process. yeah. and in terms of, in terms of what the palestinians need more all, obviously it's much more aid. but in terms of how it's,

how critical you've had our critical situation is, but how much more a do they need getting in there? and how quickly did they need? well, i mean, the situation has absolutely dire right now. uh, you know, yes, there are substantial allowances as a need to meet the requirements of the population that you know, never mind to know, but even in the south south is not feeling any better right now. and when we are seeing right now, is that not nowhere near the, the amounts of age that, that are necessary that is required of actually getting in even into the ssl. and you know, with recent reports at the moment coming in about do seeing. and the fact that i think it just a couple weeks ago, you have something like an over a 100 wonder what trucks and then nothing 90 percent of those will literally held at a standstill while lou 26 really brought everything on restaurants and they did it in full view of the ideas. so right now, i mean i didn't tie strip, nevermind to know, but even the south it was pockets in the south are in orange, the tiny. okay. uh may not come uh, got 2 captives,

families and support has been kept a, uh, a protesting a great numbers inside of even elsewhere and his rattle most since the beginning of october. since this is the size of his fights and how influential have they been on base or is of a uh, is now being much more opportunistic. it says that their, their, their influence, the public opinion in flores is limited. but it's, it's getting more and more momento on the, you know, as long as the other resist joint. and the other developments happen. so, but by itself, the pro, this, of the call bring them all the full. no. said to person that the, the l on less, there are other reasons that they bring it in to a grade to read, oppose dories says fire in doing that in casa,

so they, they don't bring. but like i said in so many words do it. there's an express pin, it's really public. the hostages are not the no base. they are in the, from the he's all the opposition and the it and this debate this limited, so the pressure of that can be pulled on nothing. you know, count, they fairly rare opportunity 0 occasions that nathaniel met with the families of the, the hostages pharmacies. not also softball team, but to those who are in the position very few minutes. oh ma, we've mentioned this, we have been here before. it's at the very last minute. it's all gone. busy wrong, a pot, how much has been blamed israel has been blamed. how much is a very different organization, though,

to understand why was in charge of leadership is a more of a cooperative. now might we see more of an opportunity for some sort of deal, however, limits at this time the policy and using guys would help. so again, i think come as may need more amenable this time around. it doesn't have the same leadership, although i get it. i don't think it was this leadership that was the problem. the problem was they wanted to see an end to the fighting, a permanent end to the fighting. and the removal of the really military from the gaza strip. that didn't happen. that was not going to happen under nothing yahoo. and so there was nobody stopping these really military from its campaign. and so, you know, we are where we are at this point. after all, the law loss is that the people that have suffered and the fact that you know, you have to keep these hostages alive and safe for 14 months. yeah. is it possible that he is unable to do that? and so maybe at this point,

it's willing to trade those hostages in exchange for something. all right, folks, what, thanks very much for your very important and insides, we're out of time. but thank you to, to, honey, i'm a stuff a to my not complying on to oma rahman and to thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, ologist era dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. you'd also draw the conversation on x. we all apps a inside story from a bonus. smith and hosting here spots in the of the war on dogs. on the future of the middle east, if we are not going to take the opportunity to create the polishing and state today situation, we get worse and give region to model award winning or set aside. some of these has

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