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creative solutions. not just turn our backs on the. don't think that has a number, think about it as a person and yourself and that person shoes. so as you can see for this is my us, my life, or at least in my life, those stages we want. we want the education reward because the women and my country, they're not sweet to come out to us. we are in the night all or 2. we are human beings on this earth to be trees and the coins. we are working in their thoughts, that's our officers. whatever has been done before can be done even better. as long as the human being is doing it. you just have to keep pushing because no one else can see. the vision is clear. the toppling of president bush auto also was met with scenes of you. 4th celebration in the streets of damascus

and cities across the series. but with the transitional government now in place, the country's future hangs in the balance this week on upfront. we unpacked what this moment means for serious and the read the after 5 decades of the, of a set family rule and a 13 year civil war. celia is now free of one of the world's most brutal dictatorships. and under 2 weeks, the coalition of armed forces led by head custody of the sham, also known as h t. s. marks throughout level hema homes and damascus. and allison president bush, not as i said, who fled to russia. so what will serious future look like to me now to discuss this is beside that founding director of the middle east studies program at george mason university. hello, right. former arabic language books, person for the us state department will stuff or echo turkish journalist, author, and senior fellow at the cato institute, and so must go alexi clement cost consulting in middle east expert at the russian

international affairs council. thank you all for joining me. the best time i'm going to start with you, we've seen incredible image is coming out of syria. we think the same things like the toppled statute of half of them. i said, we've seen thousands of the detainees released from prisons. what does this moment mean for the syrian people? as you know, we cannot underestimate how this moment is literally momentous in so many ways, the as the end of an arrow, of literally brutal dictatorship. there's no missing of words. and those who would like to see other aspects and they mentioned size of this could well do that, but not in a way that actually diminishes the impression that serious have faced with the past of 54 years in some areas more than others. and it is beyond the words of relief that we should use to describe what's going on. and i have

friends, i have family is here. yeah. but i also have friends who have been actually imprisoned . and so i took a solitary confinement for as little as liking an article. and these people mind, you are not necessarily either it's not missed or supportive of a liberal american political order. they're actually below it is done. so they're actually against imperial designs and actions in the region. and yet if they actually overstep and now your to the, could actually be up your mind the imprisoned or worse. so we're talking about an unprincipled dictatorship in so many ways, which is now symbolized by the manner in which the president simply left without a word to his people, even those who actually supported him. that's interesting how to i hear people all over the world, echoing with best them, is it right? but then there are people who are saying, nights do, you know, it's not right. you know, this is american imperialism of putting a,

someone to scale. this is israel wing and you know, the new, you know, leadership is going to be worth. there are people who are saying that this is something other than a moment of, of celebration for the syrian people in light of what percentage should we be holding space for another idea or another thought at the same time. and that's a very good question. and i want to echo the sounds, words that this is really a time to give syrians space to celebrate. after such brutal year is not just one, i mean, decades really. but to your point, we are able to have 2 troops at the same time. and that's the reality of the situation. obviously we've seen how the changes were basically overnight, right? i mean we, we woke up to the news and it was so quick and the syrians went out in the streets . and our approach are, are celebrating after years of trying to gain some type of freedom of legitimacy in their own country. and adding to the psalms point, it wasn't merely political repression, it was dated the life that was so difficult for the average syrian not able to have

sufficient electricity struggling for food strongly for gas. the basics of everyday life became untenable for syrians. in addition to obvious political repression, political prisoners, families being ripped the parts at the same time. the 2nd truth that lays right next to this 1st truth is that countries like the united states countries like israel has been wanting to topple, said for years. right? and this is very much known, and those and the anti imperialist can see this as a result. as a result of all of those years of interference. but to, besides points considering everything that the syrians have gone through, we need to give them space to be able to celebrate this moment with a clear mind as to the other forces that are at played and support the syrian people in this transition. and this revolutionary time in their country was

definitely makers. i share the joy and happiness of the syrian people. they just got rid of a very brutal sadistically, cruel regime. and that on the phone, if anybody has not seen until this today, i mean, what's coming out of the sudden i a prison and other torture chambers of this regime should this is, i mean i, i'm glad that the serial revolution succeed at the top of being one of towards most cruel dictatorships. i mean, we should be happy about that in itself regarding the jo, jo, politics of this. it's true that imperialism colonialism has ravaged this region hardened the peoples of the middle east and other parts of the world a lot. but also we should see that regimes that call themselves mt imperialist and to colonial can be very brutal in their own way. i think every regime should be measured 1st of 1st and foremost about by looking at how they treat their own people. and if they treat their own people by, you know, putting them in dungeons and torturing because they wrote a critical treat,

a wrote an article, the, as i think that's evil and, and whatever it stands on. our geostrategic understanding is that redeem has no legitimacy. right? causes to be pursued by right means if you're saying okay, i'm defending the policy name, people i'm doing this and that might be right in certain ways. but you know that that becomes a justification for pretext for every gene which can be variable. and i can see if he has the most clear case of that, a alexi rusher was a started supporter of a said through the lower throughout the war. and russians, military intervention in 2015 turn, the war in a sense of favor rushes, military bases, and see we are also, it's only military foothold outside the former soviet union. for all the efforts of russia went through to prop up and prolong the aside regime, including bombing syrian civilians. but how big a setback is this for russia? well, in the 1st place, a commanding on your um,

where it's about the rush of supporting us at the, in the, from the very beginning of the, the onset of the civil war. russia made it clear. and it's literally very clear that it was not supporting in particularly a person personality, but the state structures of the state, the region, and one of the most important goals back in 2015 in in september when rusher decided to deployed the air forces. there were that actually it was about 2 or 3 weeks before collapsing under the offensive of the isis back in 2015 and the, the main idea of what's to actually avoid that and to preserve the functioning state basically. so it's not about the, the leadership, the feeder itself as a personality. but the, this uh, the system for the, for something that might do like a distinction just for a moment that might feel like a distinction without

a difference to some fault given that the system itself enabled this type of brutal repression and violence. well, we should distinguish, you know, system, i mean, the, the, the repressed, of the products, the, the powers of the paradis and the state structures. you know, even now when the gts terrace declination took power at the control over, you know, damascus. they actually yeah, they trying to get the feed off the skinny are a little cheap but i mean they kind of just destroy. ready the state structures and they created declared that they want those who, you know, employed and do their work continue to do that because they don't want to, you know, destroy everything and start from scratch. and i mean, actually to where it was never been, you know, the, the highest priority for rushes for, and policy. and if you think i mean about the rest and luxury presence on the ground since 2015, it was quite limited. i mean, and again, you can compare it with the balance of his beloved fighters shooting really shows

or need and other quotes. uh, forces. i mean, it was quite limited. so for now the biggest set back. so russia is definitely, uh, a um, a risk of losing its, uh, its notary basis in uh, in the coast. and that's uh, what's currently most who's trying to negotiate so far. they receive guarantees from, from the, uh, from those whore in indian control and power that, uh, they guarantee so far, uh, security and presence there. but everything will be decided later by the, by the government after transition period. let me, let me bring it back in uh, hours after a since fall from power is real large. its 1st uh over at ground operation in syria in about 50 years is you're also doing drastically scaled up. it's air, but environment of syria destroyed. it's maybe in claims of a preemptively struck military targets. i. how do you see that is there's will

exploiting a distance will power vacuum here in order to make territorial or, or do you political gains? i mean, without a doubt, the question is, how long is it going to stay that way, right. so i want to be clear and i don't want them into words either. this is an invasion, right? they're going and going into further into the goal on heights. it is illegal, the united nations has already come out and condemned the actions of israel, secondarily, they're attacking from the air and basically destroying every military apparatus of the syrian states. but the question is, what is the impact of all this beyond israel strategic means of securing itself. if the goal of the international community is to have a successful syria, this is quite the stabilizing, right? they're almost setting up these rebels, whatever you want to call them. they're almost setting them up for failure because a, as their focus is supposed to now be consolidating state apparatuses,

consolidating their own power, trying to hopefully unify the syrian people. but at the same time, when you have a foreign aggressor, bombing, incurring into more territory, it's destabilizing the question is. and again, this goes into the realm of conspiracy theory. so i don't want to go too much into this conversation, but were there agreements made before to basically allow some of this to occur? limits between potentially like using h t s. look, i can just say this as someone as an american diplomat who previously worked on counterterrorism. i am absolutely stunned at the transformation of someone likes to allow me who previously had a 10000000 dollar bouncy on his head, who was previously arrested by us forces in iraq and it was in in prisons including of a headed right. he's a designated terrorist, but at this point his rebranding has been extraordinary bets them when we think about israel's interest beyond securing their own sort of state,

which is their argument, right? we're doing this for our own safety. it's a war on terrorism abroad, etc. out what other concerns should we have about their kind of geo political aspirations? is this part of the greater israel project? this is a goal to, to for plunder is the goal for a territorial expansion which would be thinking about here. well, beyond the moral and political position on the dictatorship and syria, there is a huge world that we should pay attention to and we should look at the connections . the view points in my view should not exclude the connection between israel and the united states. in almost engineering, so much of what does happen in the past 25 years. when you look into the city installation today, you see things that you cannot deny. but if you do not zoom out historically and analytically, you will not see the pattern of the destruction of every single state that has in

one way or another. opposed u. s. foreign policy in the region or israel's had so many or domination and expansion in the region from yemen to somalia to so then to libya, to syria, toyota, and 11 on in various ways. it is uncanny how this is a i don't want to say, orchestrated but orchestrated is definitely part of the game to remove any obstacles to on most complete domination of, of us in the region. the lay of the land and the future is now going to be very open for any is really us and friends. a donation without any response it on, as you will see, will also be not necessary be next and the sort of the simple sense, but will be also under so much pressure to not to continue this. and is this, this access that we have seen gamble whether or not the components of existence,

axes, all or your or my, or anybody else has a cup of tea and stuff. but let's talk about turkey for mimic history is quite a very important role in all of this. they back the key arm, arm to groups who over through it said, why does turkey make this choice? what's turkey's motivation and supporting these groups? yeah, i mean, i, again, i was in turkey when the syrian revolution began in 2011 and actually initially in the 1st months, i remember that the turkish government, which had good relations with us not before. i tried to convince him for a transition like and now it's free elections, you know, let support you. i mean, the revolution began, so just let it be not, not like libya and all that aside regime they didn't give up. and he started to brutalizing his people, so then turkey jumped on to a position back and, and i can say, i mean i have many criticisms the turkish government on lot of domestic issues. but i think i can say turkey is stewart on the right side of history on this side. regime was evil, terrible. and it was due to collapse and ultimately with great pain. it did

collapse. and now try give a plan with us with some interest the how much of it was a hey, we want these refugees to go back everything. you know, eric, everyone will have a much stronger position. whereas self interest, but i think there, i think the, the ruling country in turkey were, were genuinely horrified by the suffering of the sunni in a majority population as they are. i mean, because, i mean people do have feelings that i think that that was there and they have a deal, logical links to, i mean the syrian is lemay groups had friendships of turkeys, they keep you. so besides that, i mean a turkey open is border. so syrian refugee is that, i think that's a good thing. i mean turkey bulk of more than 3000000 refugees. now an anti refugee xenophobia emerge. and turkey and, you know, it's what, but more on the opposition side, i should say. now turkey is happy for, i think, few reasons. first of all, i mean, so you guys will not be a probably hostile regime anymore. the, the builder of new syria who will they be will c h d s, and others? hopefully in

a more democratic way. tricky will try to steer that just be like you're about to jump in that. well, i just want to say that even though most of an i had a really nice time in the waiting room, i am really excited. i'm really concerned about this idea that the turks or turkey or turkey or air tagano detection government are horrified by what's happening is here, directly to, for the uprising. the drugs is government and it's a business sort of a businessman, but it's communities were connecting with the city and regime. and one of the most grand scale projects, supposedly to happen in the middle east. they had no problem with syria. turkish products were seen all over syria on all of the selves. there was not that kind of like, you know, a repulse nature. what happened is right during the early part of the uprising, there was a rift and then took it off with this position. but like he's not alone, all of the other countries have actually had double standards on all of this. and

we actually also, i mean, it's really interesting that we're talking about syria. we're talking about the kind of a depression that existed in a and within to that, which is absolutely correct. but this is taking place while at the same time the united states and israel are committing one of the most horrendous genocides in modern history happening today due to a 2024, not in the 19th century. and we should actually recognize the connection between what is happening and by this time, what is what is doing eliza and everything else. and finally, this view, when people in united states, especially here look at what's happening in syria and prisons, which is extremely horrendous at all levels. we should not forget that we live in a country that has the highest but age of incarceration in the world where the more than one percent of the population is in jail. more than 2000000 people are in jail and hold on this positions and violence conditions and more than 38 percent of those in jail are, are african americans. so as we look at all of this,

we should recognize from what perspective we're saying this and who we are, because we aren't administering so much of that is that it's taking place. i'm not excusing anybody. right? but before we go, i, i, i hate to make you put, pull your crystal balls out, but there is a way that i'd love to get your sense. in the midst of all the uprising, all the attention, all the resistance, all the push back, all the things that are happening. you know, how do you think this thing turns out in the short term? alexi? i'll start with you a hell, well, that's a good question. and the 1st place, i mean, regardless of the one, no, a happy or like truthful about what's happening in series. just one chapter which is over, but the story will continue and there was no end, you know, uh, indivisible, future. i mean, 1st of all, a terrorist organization came to power, a terroristic innovation. now seeing how, just in the matter of 2 weeks, the be like all media around the glow, just changing their mind,

changing and coming up with the new definitions and words for who is gilani. now he's a progressive jihadist, what does that mean? um, that's 1st thing, 2nd thing, you know, h d s is not a homogeneous and monolithic group and see where it consists of a variety of different groups of different degree of radicalism. and where, where is a guarantee that the gilani and he's, affiliates will be able to keep that in control where it guarantees that there will be no insight between all of these groups. uh how we can be sure that the uh, you know, the new government position, government will not get back to a secretary. it's like they're in politics and, and, and practice is how to make sure that israel not advancing cuz now it's not on the air strikes as a back. like we mentioned him and tanks and the ground forces moving. i mean, they're already in the way to probably in some parts of the province, which was my minorities living and they're advancing and they being destroyed and

not only military sites, but even besides with information with an electrical centers. i mean, personally, i have no uh, kind of a positive uh, happiness you know, for, for what lies ahead. that means a very hard road with a lot of its, with a lot of, uh, possible scenarios, uh and with a high degree of us. so the disposition in kaos was the, i'm glad that aside regime is gone, but of course we will see now what comes next. and uh, 2 things are important here. one is whether the h d s will keep on the moderate pass. you know that it's been signaling lately and it lived there are some examples of that. they which they govern already. obviously, their group booter in a very and radical selfie jihad is in mich goes all the way, all the way, till keita. but they have changed to some extent, and that should be given a chance, and that should be encouraged. furthermore, in turkey can actually play a helpful role. there actually is. okay,

help to model ration of h t s back in a blip. as far as i know, the other risk is attention now with the courtesy arm groups and the new government and in damascus. and that could be also diffuse instead of ignited. now one thing there, of course, turkeys important here again as a king make maker and also both the country that has the biggest problem with the court courses there. now, one thing that good that happened in turkey is that turkey has been pretty hawkish against the beginning of the several years. but late the turkey has started giving signals of a reconciliation with the kentucky and turkey, taking their leader out of jail bring him to parliament. so if the region is lucky, if turkey soft, the end of this don't insights or t if there's a reconciliation, a piece process and turkey again. and if s the is the correct curtis forces in syria actually keep given you on recon sylvia tree messages, which they've been doing and password is a chance of some diesel. yeah, there's some things here that we should all work to see a peaceful syria, which is not going to be happen. but you know, it could be on the right path. if the right path is a great start,

how that would say you and i want to be helpful to it's a very precarious time, right? i think time will tell. but the reality is that a lot of powers are invested in at least a stable syria at the moment, right? the bowl of the united states and israel boat has been to topple assets, they've got their goal, they want. right. and so now what are they going to do? again, i go back to the economic realities because i think that that is what matters. the most the syrians are the gulf arab states going to palm going to assist, or they're going to provide alternatives to the cap, the country, to any type of actual resources for institutions. i found that very interesting, that windshield honest spoke he kept on referring to institutions building the institution that the state, it almost seems lessons learned from perhaps iraq lessons learned from libya, making sure not to repeat the mistakes of regional actors. so we, we, we will see, but again, the, this unity has to turn into actual tangible unity words into action in terms of

less repression and an inclusive society. and i hope for the searing people that it's bright, they said, you know, ultimately the folks, the people of the states, the actors that have actually work to make, to give the green light, including turnkey, to give the green lights for a, has to come out under what today adults with the united states and other governments, we don't know. those states are not going to make to let any single part for you to unless you're a definition of h d. s, they're going to all work in the next several months to make sure that a government in syria is perhaps representative, but more importantly heterogeneous. because heritage in a to would mean you want to use the possibility of collective action, especially in the dining acting up a lot. lynch been of the, the existence axes with syria. this has to be cut off based on all of the actors and a have made it all in this. so that this govern new government. and then you polity is not going to be able to act in the same way that the previous regime did.

whether or not the previous regime, you know, whether or not you, however, you feel about the previous regime. and that is almost a guarantee you will see that this weekend, you will see a, an out of state system that is weakened invitation to opposing existing domination of the region. and one hopes out of all of this, i hope that the syrians will find them to be able to express themselves. but this expression is going to be very domestic, very limited, but are you local? but so many syrians today will take that, and i will take that, but i have to be the last word besides that. however, i like the subject of animals stuff. i don't think so much everybody that is our show upfront will be back a full year of war in gaza and now it is rarely troops invading lebanon or the us

in israel working to reshape the entire region. now with trump back in the white house, what can america expect? and what can the world expand? the quizzical look at us politics, the bottom line, service cities last to over sons. both were accused of being involved with the legal trucks. ceratin says they were murdered, so many witnesses had enough for us to say not him. so they got the wrong pass. and yet they shot my oldest son with his arms raised rights groups say as many as 30000 drug suspects were killed and assault cold war and drugs for the administration of former president would be good to 13. and the 3rd day had not been held to account until last month when he appeared before the senate and said he gave police disorder being sick premium to detect the also said he ran a death squad when he was mayor and made no apology for defense. and killings,

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