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judges era, the challenges here with the jubilation on the streets of south korea as capital. so after parliament votes to impeach president to use of the venue, it's good to have you with us. this is allison 0 life from the also coming up syria's road to recovery, humanitarian age security and reconciliation. top the agenda at a conference in georgia from north to south is really bombardment of the gaza strip,
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has killed more than 50 people, including children in the past. 24 hours and george's parliament is picking a new president's house or october's disputed general elections and weeks of protests. the south korea's parliament has voted to impeach president young sucky over the impeachment motion. the 2nd brought in as many weeks by the opposition passed with 204 votes. there have been celebrations on the streets of sol where demonstrators have been staging near daily process calling for you and the step down. after has failed marshall more declaration. last week. our correspondence unit came in rod, the bride are in the south korean capital. rob, let's start with you since you're inside the parliament building and we're less than 60 minutes from this. what is really a historic moment? i believe in south korea, with a majority of just over 2 thirds of lawmakers. voting to impeach the president.
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that's right. is that and the dramatic scenes here at the national assembly, this long 4th over long anticipated votes. as you rightly said, that just about the same time last week. the opposition groups that the role these motion to impeach president, getting sick, yelled for his ill fated a time since imposing martial law would defeated when the ruling people policy stays the dramatic walk out of boy you cost of the vote which prevented then reaching quote and so both was even counted as we had an expectation that something was different was going to happen this time around with a meeting of the people policy members ahead of this vote when it was decided that they would allow members to vote in the council chamber. it's a secret ballot, so that was on the dissipation that some of the, those members wanted to break ranks with the ruling people policy wants to devise
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vote against effectively that around president. and indeed they did so as of those boats, $204.00 were in favor of impeachment out of the $85.00 and in the end voted against . and so it does when we work through those numbers, it does seem as though around 12, both so ruling potty a little make has voted. i spoke to the in favor of impeachment, which then led to this impeachment been paused by what is a fairly slim majority, but it now it says now becomes effective that i present june is not impeached as presidents. his duties on now suspended, the prime minister and of sue, and now takes over the responsibilities of a president. as this decision now goes to the constitutional cool. it's a way to, well, it needs to be confirmed still and it can be disputed, which way i would expect things at present you to do. he just said he will cite
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this a days, attempts to impeach. so rob, you mentioned that the prime minister is now effectively running the country as the president has been impeached. and therefore side line. will the protesters be ok with that with the prime minister, being their entering president as it were. yeah, that remains to be seen. first of all, with the possession of the prime minister is by no means guaranteed because he is actually the subject of the same investigation which is led to the impeachment of a president you and that all are attempts to possibly impeach the prime minister as well for the very same active pride to introduce this martial. lo, if he is also in peace, then there is a hierarchy in place. it then goes. the next person in line is the deputy prime minister, who then risk the takes over the responsibilities of president who is also the saving finance minister. so there's lots of question marks i o,
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but they seemed indeed the main opposition policy that has led these opposition to attempts to bring about this impeachment to the democratic policy that lead a lead. jane young has a just the spoken to a with met senior members of the potty, obviously welcoming this decision and saying this is a victory for the people of victory for democracy. but also with the proviso that the impeachment is only the 1st step they say on trying to resolve the situation. the situation being, of course, the crisis political crisis, these countries being thrown into with this a short lived marshall, a martial law and position which you and of course, he's not only being at peace is also being investigated with the possibility of charges of treason. for example, being broad, which will be the next step, which was what the all positions will certainly be a calling for moving forward. rob, thank you very much. we'll come back to you in a moment, but i want to go straight to i was yours, kim eunice, with that anybody outside parliament buildings and sub freezing temperature?
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we do steel for you units. thank you so much for your reporting this evening. it's just past 6 pm local time, and so we're seeing those light torches. we're seeing the crowds in. uh so what's in been like, what's it been like over the last 60 minutes since those protesters found out that they got what they wanted and the president has been impeached? well sir, or a physician and at the back end of of that large crowd which we're learning now, police are estimating to be around $200000.00 people who have come out to take part police estimates typically are significantly lower than what you know uh, organizers say, so that is a conservative estimate, but you know, we are seeing the south koreans just returning to their regular saturday. i think, you know, happenings are getting dinner. they're trying to navigate their way back home
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perhaps, or, or to go have a drink with, with friends. we are seeing people take pictures to mark this historic night and which south prius 13th president has effectively been impeached by the national assembly. and it has been a long time coming for many of the south koreans. a recent pull up by a gallop, korea that a survey people tuesday, wednesday, thursday this week found that tough for you and president, can you talk gars approval rating had hit a new floor of 11 percent and that people who felt that he rightfully should be in peace was was 76 percent. so clearly these people are in the majority and they are celebrating tonight. but there are a smaller portion of a right wing conservatives, if you will, people who have been gathering outside of quantum and square, who means on the celebratory today. because they feel that they be emphasized with
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their conservative presidents, you know, arguments thus far that he had been blocked by a liberal dominated national assembly and trying to pass his laws and also in the impeachment, calls for his cabinet officials as well. so as you've been explaining it as rob has been explaining this, all of this that was triggered and set in motion by the president's fateful decision to declare motion law shortly of decision. all this isn't over right where it does feel like a turning point, but we don't know where the sense because now the constitutional court has to do his job and we don't know where that goes. yeah, that's right. you know, this kind of feels like these are a little bit from 2016 because that was also, you know, in december when we saw impatient cause and the conservative then president,
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pumpkin had, and the, uh, the process played itself out. the, the difference between where we are now and where we were perhaps earlier this week is that there is a guideline. there is a lawful framework in which the process is played out. so now we know that prime minister conduct sue, has the, you know, power as of, of overseas defense of overseeing diplomacy. while you talk, guy stands on the sidelines as the constitutional court deliberate. now that could take anywhere from no one month to a maximum of 6 months. so it remains to be seen whether no, currently there are 6 constitutional justices on the court. there are 9 seats total, but 3 are empty. currently, the nationalism lee has been working towards filling those seats because they need
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a, the office to block needs and a minimum of 6 justices to meant this impeachment motion, thereby, you know, making sure that president, he and so a guy is interested, there is an election called within 3 months. right, eunice. thank you very much for your reporting that thousands years eunice can. and so, and we go back to rob rob mcbride, who's inside the part of the building, rob, 4 of yours, we're just joining in. we are one hour, 60 minutes, 70 minutes now after the impeachment of president you and so if you'll, after a, really to moultrie was 2 weeks. can you take all of that and recap that 4 of yours were joining in now and wondering what's going on in south korea of the that's why this has been a photo, but since president june took the decision, he says the justifiably because of facing the various factions that was sympathetic
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to north korea, he stated, of imposing martial law. and now that was very short lived. there was a immediate response from assembly members here in the national assembly. they voted against it. then they basically throwing the country into political tub or $0.11. now, we a believe we have now had a resolution of that to some degree with the impeachment of president to you for taking that action. but there is still a, there is still a rocky road. i had given them president its nature of what we've seen of what we've been through, what, where we are about to go through that have been 3 presidents in the south. korea is young history as a democracy. it's only been a democracy for 4050 years in that time. 3 presidents have been in page one of those impeach months has actually been over tons by this constitutional cause. president, june, even as recently as thursday and a very long address,
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the defense of why he took this action has vowed to fight until the very end he says against this. but by impeaching him, it does make it easier to carry out 2 investigations of president to you. and for example, the last few days of the police have not been able to get access to his offices to curb, to conduct a search. it now makes it a lot easier to conduct the search of an impeached precedents rather than a full sitting present to use of touch, technically now suspended. also, when it comes to questioning president june, or even putting present june under arrest, that now becomes a lot easier with these. this investigation goes under a now is conducted by prosecutors and the police. but for the moment, as far as his political career is concerned, a president june. so if y'all as president as president, that career is over as a full, the high flying public prosecutor who rose to the office of prosecute a general of south korea. you're in sick yell now finds himself full in from grace
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and potentially on the wrong side of the law. following his ill fated attempt at imposing martial toner. conclusions. i declare martial law to protect the free republic of korea from the threats of north korean communist forces. he had played a key role in convicting form of presidents leading young back. and then pocky and hayes, who had been coming broiled in scandal and was forced out to of office of to large scale street protests in 2017 units of done to pox liberal successive mood j. and until disagreements led to his resignation. setting himself up was a popular choice among conservatives to run for president himself. in march 2022, he won the presidential race by the slimmest of margins. the 1st elected president to be pulled off to the end of fighting in the korean war. when he came into office,
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you was seen to socially conservative domestically and whole case on foreign policy . taking a tough stand against north korea and the much friendly position towards japan. then his previous s, as his approval ratings quickly plummeted, made was by his perceived hard line tendencies, as well as domestic scandals involving himself on the 1st lady couldn't guarantee a post showing that parliamentary elections earlier this year left him a week and apparently believing who by martial law was his only option. people uh, you know, obtain be a very strong impression that it is too risky to, to have to present in the office. the guy seems like the president does not have the real sense of reality. totally disconnected with the rest of the society, whatever his political ambitions it is that short lived the attempt of martial law
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that will become his legacy. public pride, i'll just say era. so are now that the president has been in peach. let's take a look at what happens next. so southcourt as president will be immediately suspended from office, the prime minister takes over. then the constitutional court will hold the trial which could take up to a $180.00 days or 6 months to remove the president. at least 6 of its 9 judges must agree to uphold the parliamentary vote. and a new presidential election will have to be held within 2 months of joining us now . edward howell electra in international relations at the university of oxford. what really lessons are you drawing from this impeachment? thank you, i think but um this has highlighted how you know, the only um the 2nd time lock key for those who support it. personal use impeachment of to last week's failed attempt. but also then conclusively,
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the fact that this isn't over yet, and i'm not just talking about the president you. okay. even those who um wants his removal. um, i think i know that there's a long way to go. there are questions about the role of the leader with the opposition danielle and he himself has also been mowed in scandal in the past. so not only use of the process of the constitutional quote, trying to assess, don't hold or not the impeachment and we're gonna need this process. there's also a longer process into, in terms of what might happen next. and as i've said, i'm the lead to the of the democratic policy he gave me on. he's also not a huge the popular me, but the anger over the, the now in peach presidents declaration of martial law. that's something that's going to stay, isn't it? i, i would assume that that is something that is going to continue to shape korean domestic
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politics for at least a little bit for a while. as indeed a medium position as muscle was so soft and so unexpected. um and um, and even supplies the most loyal of support for you and not until the routing policy and the fact that the mushroom all was imposed on you for 6 hours and then and then uh at the end credits and you voted, highlights how democracy in south korea is very much working, it is alive and well. but obviously the legacies of the, the, the nation in possession of marshall will have long lasting effects. not only on the increasing the fractured nature of south korean politics. and this is not just between the opposing policies, but kristy, even within the voting policy at the moment. but from also having vocation implications on south screen phone policy as well. let's talk about that because
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you're electra and international relations as we said. so how does this impact the south koreans far and south korea's foreign policy going forward? so yes, i mean, obviously this is mainly the 1st and foremost, the domestic mata. i think that's very important to bear in mind. you know, in his initial declaration of muscle, you mentioned the need to leave cyclic po. no. squint false is this is something he also mentioned again that his, his defined speed on, on flow state when he said that he would, he would, he would stay on. okay. and not have any sort of comment allow to support comments even further where it's at the time. no. and south korea needs a unit t not division in terms of its phone policy laws clear last a cooperation and increasing the address it knows clear in terms of provoking sounds clear, don't lose the china, but is economic and political pollution. and so now is the time of change business,
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but to the administration in washington, there's a new i'm booting administration in tokyo on the issue is that it's fairly recently . and so actually self a needs to strengthen its relationships with his allies, a not be overwhelmed by, by to, by domestic disputes of difficult says that there's a whole be off of the university. electra edward, how well, thank you very much for joining us on allison 0. the fox on syria's political transition are set to get underway in the jordanian fort city of aka and coming hours, our diplomats and the turkish foreign minister, as well as the us, the us secretary of state. and you find a policy chief for all attending anthony blinking says the united states will support the syrian people. as the syrians have been celebrating their new found freedom on the streets of several cities,
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hundreds of thousands of people took part in friday. prayers described as a day of victory, and often more than half a century under the family rule. o allison 0 is covering all the developments russell sort are standing by in the syrian capital 1st. so let's go to nor day in october, georgia, nor bring us up to speed on these talks. who's there and what they're talking about . well sir, we can tell you that there are a lot of moving parts. we know, as you said, that there are era, foreign ministers. there's the top diplomat of, of the bi knows ministration. anthony blank can be a you as well, a foreign policy chief, and we have the un envoy up for syria. now when we understand that blinking already mets with the un envoy for syria, and they talked about securing the sites where it is, believe that the outside, the regime had chemical weapons. this is
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a very important issue of concern at for all involved. and nobody wants these weapons to get into the hands of non state actors, the ones that they want and secured and destroyed. this is one of the issues that will be on the agenda of all these different meetings which will culminate later on in the day. and some sort of announcement there security as a humanitarian situation, the return of millions of refugees and also serious relations with its neighbors. this is going to be very important for the region. what about, you know, what syria becomes and what the future serial looks like or these country is going to say publicly, this is where we want syria to go moving forward. i think there will be some a lines to that are facts, not necessarily in the form of a dig stats. so this is one of the many delicates issues that are at issue here. several of the syrians need time to recover,
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to consult among one another. they're not present in these consultations. they need to be the ones to figure out how to come together in a new syria and the international community regional players international players . they have their own expectations as well. we already heard from anthony blinking, for example, talking about a democratic rule about a taking care of minorities in the region. there's a bit of apprehension about the u. s. giving inside, or dick tats about how to govern a syria moving forward, especially because they're experiment uh, in the transition of iraq wasn't exactly an example that countries want to follow. but again, there are many concerns and at these different groups of serious, intricate social tapestry is of no concern. and it relates to many countries in the region, not just iraq on one border to kid on the other that it has its own concerns about
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the kurdish aspirations for independence, but also here in jordan. so there are a lot of people, a lot of input. if you will, that will go into this conversation before something concrete comes about. the officer was new all day reporting from the jordan. thank you very much to that north. let's go to damascus the syrian capital resort or is joining us live. we're still, i want to just your view, 1st of all, on what's going on in jordan, because quite remarkably as nor has told us as you've told us in previous hours. all these regional powers international powers of getting together in jordan to discuss the future of syria. but the, the, the syrians themselves, this new administration, they're not represented at these talks. indeed, so the seat as need and space is not the representative in that pulse box. there are 2 countries here that's a put in a crucial rule when it comes to in directly representing the cd and 0. so you've
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got to see the decision in a cup. i enjoyed and that is turkey and the cutoff. so took yeah, and cut that are having close relations with the with the new as vision you rebuild for the position of, of silvia and perhaps they're going to get their concerns. of course the, the new a vision concerns are going to be altered and will be taken to a couple of by these 2 companies. just remember, 2 days ago the tech is to have took his intelligence. but i'm coming was he had it was who would you be important because dirty? just to go to the main. becker all these new see them and, and dispersion here. any but i am covering himself is because the one of the most of mine is behind this process. and then there are some reports that a country that occasion godaddy time will soon land in come to damascus and having meetings with the citizen even station. so perhaps the new diseases because the messages are going to be sent out through these 2 countries. on the other hand, for, for the new and vision in damascus for the 10 city of government. so 2 things aren't
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quite import. the 1st job and international recognition to look to do to, to make a place international that is the less than with was the representative of the city and students. and on the other hand, to secure an orderly smooth transition. and of course to preserve the state of practices. but today's meeting then jordan, remotely expecting any bridge through to come on a total level. this not only going to be about cdn cd as new government, but all the companies, all the major stakeholders, we're talking about the risk off company is very key, which is the lifeline of the new citizens ration. you're talking about the united states, which is not going to possess investors, but is that position as well for their so these companies are also now checking each other's position as well. i've been going to reposition, they're going to try that, trying to figure is to figure out what are the positions of different companies and
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how to set a special position themselves. as i saw, the new city and theater is extremely, extremely proud. of you said this 5 instead of governments of syria, not people for should have represented their turkey and cutoff are going to got the messages of damascus being out there in georgia. and i was just there as rest. we'll start our reporting from the syrian capital damascus. thank you very much for that renewal, thanks to you and your team. joining us on set as rob guys, tenfold. electra and peace and security at durham university. i'm keeping my eye on the clock cuz we have to break before too long, but i did want your view on this. what in your view is the biggest challenge for the head of the news story and administration and us off? i think his biggest challenge will be to stump down his author ready to show that he's actually in charge without alienating anyone over stretching h t. s. for him of the h. yes, only has 20000 fighters. they've done a good job from what we understand governing it live, not in terms of you know,
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a value judgment, but in terms of keeping stability, keeping the power on, for example. then now going to be significantly more stretched. we know that they've not only bought at the political administrators, but also anyone from the top to bottom. people like traffic policeman, for example, have come from it live to damascus. and because best thing is trustworthy has people. but obviously that will also generate friction between locals and people who have just moved in at because now that's certainly the ones giving orders to these people. and also there's the question of all of these different groups, as was mentioned before, the searing on the amenities back cuz didn't really find h t s, they sort of just disappeared. they might have taken away the uniforms and throwing them away. but many of them didn't throw away that guns. so we've got a lots of and as men primarily meant come by age men sitting at home in syria with that weapons waiting to see what happens next. and i think it's a very delicate balancing act, to disarm them and to integrate them into the state, but at the same time,
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not to alienate and radicalize them so far. i'm not hearing anyone, any arm group, any other opposition faction any one within the aside previous aside regime, i'm not hearing anyone complaining or challenging h t as challenging the new head of the administration. everyone seems to be buying in. is that fair? yes, i think for the time being the waiting to see what happens, but i don't think that tends to cease fire with truth will last too long. you know, you look at what a staff members are saying, there's all sorts of tools now about the morning to advance on rocca, for example, the old capital device, which is now held by the sds. so this little questions will haze this over over stretch. will that then bring them into conflict with groups like the staff, iran we know is, is being relatively considered. trey, for the meantime, is not saying anything too bad about the new government, because they know that they still have interest in that country just because they've left doesn't mean they no longer interested in serious. they need that land
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bridge to lebanon. and also it's a very important route for smoking weapons, so they will be trying to re exert themselves and say we had know, try and do that probably through coming to an accommodation with the h t s machine that will then set that regime on collision course. with united states and jordan, for instance. so it's not just the internal balancing act in terms of managing all those groups who may not have disappeared, but maybe lying low for now, but also the international community to the expectations and demands to there seems to be, um, i don't think there's a blueprint on how you get a country back on track right after it's been, we can undermined under cut by a dictatorship for half a century, but there is a blueprint for how to break a country and how to not get it back on track. and that's a rock you mentioned in earlier hours nor a day mentioned it in amman. jordan, it seems to be what everybody is trying to avoid. can you explain that? what unfortunately, there's plenty of case studies if not just the right. we've got
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a rack. we've also got olivia, all you blue at egypt to some degree in any on politics is always this an overall slogan of it's the economy stupid. and i think that is a bit that is also relevant here. it's kind of a case of it's the everyday you stupid, you know, people want to have electricity running water safety and security. there's all sorts of questions is whether, you know, do things like build schools and clinics 1st or do security set to reform and bring as security and make people feel safe. you kind of have to do both at the same time . if you just do the security sector reform, people fail the price, so they feel like, you know, they've got people with guns on adults that but they don't have results. as near i've all the things they need, like electricity and running water. if you just do the infrastructure side of things, then those nice new projects are liable to get towards diluted. we'll take it over . so you need to do both at the same time. and as the us found out in iraq, and as we've also seen, you know, the countries like libya, that is something that's very, very difficult to do because countries have limited resources no matter how. what.
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