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hello. welcome to the program. i'm furnace smith. serious new leadership is promising. justice stability, and unity. i'm at all. charlotte, also known as abo muhammed al gilani says he will set the country on a path to development, but it's no easy task. nearly hoss the population is displaced. the world bank estimates more than a decade of war has destroyed infrastructure to the tune of $11000000000.00. lodge pots of syria, a still under the control of rival groups on religious and ethnic minorities concerned about the future. will the new administration be inclusive, do its lead is have the expertise to navigate this political transition on how will a win the confidence and support of the international community? we'll address these questions without guests. but 1st, this report from sarah gil, in for this task time in decades friday, pres, of being held in a city free of outside who pays them all japan,

this prayer is one of great joy, a prayer, a victory for our muslim brothers. this is a blessed friday. it's the beginning of a new era to syrians, but fast. they must confront the legacy of a brutal regime. this is the notorious, said ne, a prison nate, damascus, run by the military. it's nick named the human sloops. the house families now face the anguish of searching for their loved ones in prisons and moods. and i came my brother was taken by the air force 11 years ago with no charges against him in front of our door. now they're all burned corpses and bodies with their heads cut off. this is the routine that ruled us out. one human rights and g o says a 158000 people were arrested or forcibly disappeared during the war. the head of the new administration at al serra, who soon as apple,

muhammed algernon has promised to punish those responsible, the tutoring and killing detaining. he's also called on the syrians to help rebuild the country, though he wanna congratulate the syrian people on the richter of their blissful revolution and call on them to take to the street to express their happiness. when, after that, let's join hands to rebuild the country. the new leader is a man with 2 identities that's delano who to oppose it. a group high at terry alshaun in 2017. and is the head of the distract to administration in the north west impressions of a blended. he's a wanted man in the u. k. and us, which designate him a terrorist, then the sharah, known as a liberator, so includes minorities and his keen to work with the west. it's not clear yet which persona will lead syria, but it is clear that his primary goal has been achieved and that the west is

listening very focused on syria. very focused on the opportunity that now is before us, and before the syrian people to move from out out from under the shackles of cheryl aside, serious civil war began in 2011 with calls for freedom and democracy for more than that changes. people have been waiting for those calls to be onset for now, the millions of syrians, both in the country and around the world, say they just want to enjoy this moment of celebration. something that once seemed impossible. sorry, go out to 0. the inside story. ok, let's bring in august from washington, dc were joined by could tie, but it will be he is a senior policy advisor at the american coalition for syria,

a group of us based human rights organizations here in doha with joined by. that'd be not high seas. the director of the siri and association for citizens dignity which advocates for the rights of syrian refugees, and also in washington dc is holland omen. he's a political and military analyst and a senior advisor, a bi atlantic council. welcome to you. oh tyler, i'll start with you syria, a very diverse country, sony shia muslims, christians and various ethnic groups. do the early steps taken by off, not all shot to inspire confidence. i believe so. yes, we've seen leading to the fall of aside a lot of outreach to defend communities, to christian leadership. and i look forward to this 90, see our leadership represented by the farm for the community instead of me. we've seen an outreach to the christian valley community and to all the lights on the syrian coast. we've seen also this stablish means of

a special director to manage relations with defense, religious communities. i think so far, it seems that the rebels and a shot are walking the walk as they talk the talk. and there's definitely a lot of confidence that this couldn't be carried forward. not only in terms of continuing to assure the freedoms of earlier spinal rays, but also the hope that there will be an inclusive process where all of the syrians can decide what's next for celia. libby, i mean it is only a few days, but all you uh initially confident that this is going in the right direction. the on. busy i'll shut off, i mean, we have to acknowledge that the task at hand is monumental in nature and um, any, any um group that will try to manage the current situation is going to be under a lot of pressure. but i think um and there is some size that makes me personally

feel concerned regarding how the current um the 5 to 30 or um uh kind of place holding government that we have in place right now is being formed . um the fact that um, uh, the ministry of anatomy nations have been based on um, personal and direct allegiance to the head of fish. this, this is a warning sign for a serious in general because we are just breaking from a pretty dark era in our history. and we don't want the same kind of paradigm and informing authorities to be implemented again. on the other hand, such approach will deprive whatever now it's already in place right now from a vast full of assuming resources, whether inside the country or, or abroad and, and as we all know, the reconstruction of syria right now and the concept of inclusiveness that could they but was talking about which is paramount for the future for the near future.

and the long term future of syria is extremely important. so i think for the syrians, this is a moment of, of, of, of hope. well, but with caution, this is a moment of optimism. what, but requires action. uh, but like, uh again the b r has been a spot on the messaging has been a goods, but i think we should, we need to see further developments on the ground hall on the be mentioned at the piano or is it spelt all night and to be blinking us next in states as he's encouraged by the funds that they've said the right thing. this is h t s, but we have to focus on whether they do the right thing. are they doing the right thing to stop syria becoming what my, what happened in a rock in libby or enough kind of stuff? so the answer to the question that you post is we don't know. your introduction was very, very concise and very, very accurate in terms of the opposite goals that lie at the right now with their

reports of fighting between the turks and the kurds. a y p g in the northeast is really these are still strong as many levels capabilities as possible. and there are obviously a different factions within the opposition. as you know, in america today is friday. the 13th, which is a superstitious day of bad luck. of course is proud of friday in syria, but at this stage i think that the mr. giovanni is taking all the steps so far in the right direction. but how do you regulate a country? how do you, how do you, government country have 25000000 that's in shambles. how do you run all the basic things, such as water, electricity collecting the garbage, etc, etc, etc? apparently, there are flows of refugee's from turkey back into syria. that's a good sign into a bad side because how do you deal with the logistics? so this is an extraordinary issue. and of course there are other questions. what do you do with the syrian army? what do you do with the secret police? how do you deal with them to the point of, what do you do about bus route,

what's on the bank account? so i don't know that they have been attacked yet, or lowes. and so they're huge issues from the very most important down to the most trivial. and so it's extremely difficult if you want an example. think about the russian revolution, the currency government, how difficult it was more, the red and white is to be able to govern. then we're seeing this right now. on the other side, you mentioned that tony blinking is in tank or to meet with president or the one of jake's all over the national security advisors there. so with general eric real a, who's can command or central command? so the americans are doing your right most to try to extend their influence, but the fact of the matter is, i think outside powers will have very, very minimal influence. except you will see all sorts of propaganda, this information which will cloud the situation as well. okay, well i can top of your, your initial of, uh oh to miss um is notate, but we're hearing from lebanese security officials are saying a 100000 people, largely members of minority sites across from syria into 11 on since

sunday. and reuters quoting that, speaking spoke to a dozen. she and muslims is that they've been threatened mainly by social media. and this is the problem isn't it may, whether uh, the leadership of h t s and coverage is says it's going to be inclusive. it's going to be very hard to persuade minority groups that they are going to be safe. green absolutely. i mean it's so friday in the sense only been 5 days. the 100 k, a lot of people have left syria and some actually continued to leave since sunday we are in an error of instability. a saw has flooded the country on sunday morning, but his regime is still around if you're in damascus, every now and then there's a shooting because the national defense forces, or elements of the national defense forces are still there. when the regime and army and intelligence left, they left a lot of watkins on the street. so we are,

yes. i mean, what we, i, i think the don't really report on a lot or notice is that the moment that happened in sunday was very similar to what happened in libya and iraq in terms of the complete collapse of the state. i think the syrians, however, have shown a lot of his train and how they are dealing with this huge power vacuum that was set on sunday. so that kind of t and rightly so, i think a lot of people are afraid are worried about the future brand. um we're in touch with the christian leadership, at least in different areas of the country and other people in damascus. we just had a call with them on yesterday with the white house, and they seem at least more actually assured as the be mentioned. i cautiously optimistic about what the future would bags. i think we need to see what will happen then this um enter in period in the next couple of months. anything which would happen then would give either positive or negative signals to those who are

running away. not right now. um to realize what each other and bring to them. okay, let me do you think um at all charlotte has changed. you dropped, he's dropped, is known to gather all al gilani is group. he was previously affiliated with islamic states and now kind of but he's deliberately pulled away from them, touched h t. s. all the sympathizes with those organizations. how they changed as well. really. it's so impossible to tell, and anything that i would say now or any other person, it will be me or speculation, but i think we should of not focus on on his persona, per se, because as we speak about the transitional phase, the whole country is, is is is reaching right now. um, uh the key for the success in such a critical phase is really the inclusiveness and not handing the country back to a single body or a single person. because that was the origin of the problem that we have. that was

the genesis of how we got here after 50 years of dictatorship. so series are very cautious about the thing, and i would pick up on what they've just said. the, the, the behavior of the syrian population in general. and the rebels specifically going into the cities even going into minority areas. i think it was exemplary to, to a large extent, we only heard very random, a scatter reports about any kind of retributions or the vindictive act. so again, i think the, the, i want to focus too much on, on what he's thinking now because frankly speaking, he's, it like a buddy shifter in a political sense. or he, he, he changed so many times, you know, moving from, from isis to okay, to do something else right now, which we're discovering. but the, the, the important thing is really how we can save guard the process and, and this process can only be safe. cars, guarded, sorry, by inclusiveness and,

and having a political consensus among the syrians supported by the international community based on certain elements of 2254, which is not completely comp uh, applicable right now. but this going to be nation will provide the syrian and invigorate the syrian society to play its role. we should not, and this is very important. we should not fall into the same berrydunn. i singled follow, sorry, single person, single body or single group ruling the country. okay. you, you for it's a $2.00 to $5.00 full. that's the un security council resolution that set the transition in syria to lee should be to credible, inclusive and non sectarian governance approved back in 2015 holland. how does a man, who's got a $10000000.00 us dollar bounty on his head on out of the l. shower, persuade the us on your up. there is a change mind that his country needs because he has 100 needs money and the those countries comp give money to a designated terrorist organizations. he needs them to change their mind. they need

to do it by his actions. it's interesting. i use the analogy of fidel castro, new year's eve, 19591960, as you know, castro. and in fact, giovanni has a physical resemblance to castro with the beard ousted president, the taste of tube, and everybody thought or a this is going to work. so in this particular case, i still use the word gilani named jewel on it because it's on certain it's in his best interest, i think, to be more monitored simply because it being more radical simply is going to be against him. but it's a situation where virtually everything has got to go right. and if one thing goes wrong, it could facilitate a series of crises. so to say that this is delicate and volatile, is huge. bunch of statement. we don't know how he is going to act. but my son says it's in his best interest to be more moderate in his views and his approaches. and i hope that he'll be able to do that. but at this stage, we simply can't tell. well, catawba, when we have these references to how they, how they need to be more moderate. your hair in uh, media reports um,

from politicians in america, in the un, your describing and high outside of it. i'll show them on the i will show as, as, as low as limits. water is box. what does it mean? because we know that in the west they think about becomes a copy updates. as a way of describing somebody is a threat. is that the image they've got to try and shed? i mean, i think, and especially in washington, we use the word as long as sometimes when we do understand, you know that someone and especially in a period of transition as let us describe, you know, okay, the isis listening brotherhood or someone who just, you know, happen to be conservative, but we're not sure where you are. they stand that you all are just like i think this is really the case. one is the consequence shut out or giovanni, i think we're not making sure if that's yeah. if all what's happening is, are we going to change or just b r? i think from us perspective for the current administration,

it's really hard to shift the resources and strategy to focus now on syria. as you know, the by the end of this ration has been putting syria on the back burner for a lot of i think right now the priority is to get the good enough journal this austin ties to find him and bring him back this time, let me but otherwise, it seems that the by name the station is going to try to shift all of those questions to the next administration to answer. it's very unlikely that we will see a video movement. i'm from washington in the next 37 days. however, so looking at what needs to happen or what the perceptions is, i think among the foreign policy community there is, as i mentioned, cautious optimism as well. i think there are a lot of conversations about what needs to be done with this action problem. what needs to, to be done with the listing, but there is probably more consensus that there needs to be at least some sort of

relief onforce here. yeah. for the civil side to be able to engage more inside the country now for humanitarian organizations to have access and then see what the next to uh with the behavior at all. she asked, and those would be in the next few months to decide next tea or whether their behavior is on the right of try and whether it requires more positive steps from washington. libby and i'll show as boat administrators from a blip to administer the country and to administer damascus and other countries of a positive syria. do we know anything of how h that's administered? it led to understand how they might manage to do that for the whole country, the way they managed the people that well, this is precisely bernard. why your other to guess rightly so, pointing out to the fact that we need to, to wait and see. because the track record that we have right now and experience that we had and it live, it is not

a model that we would like to reproduce for the entire country. plus it is not reproducible for the rest of the country because it live has. it's very specific nature and terms of demography is in terms of the, the concrete moment that it was going through as, as, as a pool of a displaced rebels from all over the country. and the fact that was being run by a great, by an arm grew by issue yes. eh, through um, a civil, the in facade which was, which was the salvation government. now once we go beyond the borders of, of it live. so we are requires a totally different kind of mindset and governing and, and resources of the example of food lib wasn't very positive in the assessment of the vast majority of, of syrians, the degrees of, of, of oppression, certain corruption, definitely not the kind of society that we kind of fought for it uh, during the revolution. we're seeing some items, bye bye bye. the current,

the fact or 30 or government had to kind of, or have local people start running the affairs of their local constituencies. let's say in areas. but again, and this is really very, very early, the country is still on stable. there's a huge risk that there is not being commented enough on, on, on, on media, which is right, which what they've actually mentioned it's in his is, is intervention. the regime is invisible, but the regime has not gone. and most of the trouble that we're having in damascus is related to existence of these elements. but again, back to the question, i think that's a completely new model needs to put in place the. the live model is definitely not applicable and not desirable, but by serious. and the new model has to be made or, or built upon the consensus consultation and empowerment of the serbian civil society. okay, well let me, let me just you, you mentioned the, the full, the members of the, of the security operators which could number in the 10s of thousands. they haven't

. yeah, they've gone to ground. i guess all they a threat. all they already causing problems in, in damascus. i heard that, but all they, all they to be worried about. yes, we are very much concerned. i mean, our revolution has, has been very unique and very many, in many ways i'm probably, it's end or, or the 1st step of its end was also unique in a sense that although we reached the capital and we doubled the redeem through another tree action. but we, we haven't heard yet about the capturing or localization of, of the key figures of the redeem the, the actual, um, security members, uh, a security, a providers and the members in damascus as he said. and the 4th division, for example, which were dozens of thousands, they just disappeared. the sold within the society. they have, they still have their weapons. they still have considerable amount of financial resources. a lot of the incidents,

security incidents that are reported from damascus and other areas are still linked to them. so i know it's, it's really early in the day to see how much danger they post to the stability of, of the country and specifically the capital. but i think this is a factor in issue that has to be taken into account. allan. tony blinking was in ankara to talk to the tubs, of course, because of the us supports kurdish fighters in the north of sarah, in the buffalo against the research. and these lumnick states took of course, these them as an existential threat. what do the codes do of that secure the future under this current under the new regime in syria as well? that's very, very difficult to up its answer simply because right now i think that there's a partial truths under way to we'll see what happens. but getting to the larger issue here, it was made about the american position to all intent and purpose is donald trump, is president of the united states. joe biden is virtually disappeared. i think in

terms of the legacy of this administration, syria make play a more important role. on monday, before blinking left, you had a long conversation with former secretary of state john kerry to discuss this issue . and the fact that we sent 3 very, very important senior officials to the region suggest to me that you administer patient is going to take this quite seriously. and they may in fact use it as a means to advance foreign policy. so far, donald trump has been very, very silent, but as you pointed out, there's so many places where this could go wrong with the, with the, occurs whether in the south, whether these really is over play there and where they're outside. bentley cause of some kind of a crisis, but why the remnants of the regime as happened in baghdad and it brought decide that they want to impose some degree of mischief. so this is i said, a very, very, very delicate in volatile situation. we can hold the best, but it would be a really, a feel road for the administration and in syria to fall. catawba, i want to pick up on, on the, the concerns about what regional powers might be,

want from syria and just touched on it. what all the other challenges will hate? yes. what does, what is turkey interested in? what uh, the categories interested in what all the saudis interested in the garage, is there all these potential people trying to influence? i think so. i think definitely the customers in the me are and the to our stuff came on top and this bottle and you know, cuts are, has one a lot of them. good. 2 of them is here and people because it's the only country that digital you shift its position towards. i saw you being 14 days of war and turkey, of course, because of the logistical support. and because of the, you know, protection that is provided to areas of northwest syria that enabled the rebels to advance their operations. 2 weeks ago, i think for you a e and solve the there might be some challenges for you a but also for cnn's i think a lot to worry about the modem. you

a usually use by, you know, supporting or army local proxies to advance its own interest. so there is a potential for instability in syria if you a, he tries to apply the same model. and so yeah, that be to live in. so don and not in libya and other places. i think however, i would differentiate here between the positions that of you already installed. the i think salary has shown that they can actually take a more pragmatic position. we've seen that, for example, council, the ministerial meeting last week before i saw this case. and the thing that i'm waiting to see what she has is going to have been for what to decide what, how to engage in the future. but definitely within this instead of the team, there is a potential for, you know, things to go absolutely wrong. if regional country is denied or do you need their response insights, you already have property or the be a time is against us. but lastly, can you see how out terry, all sham,

preparing the way to lead syria into free and democrat free and fair elections some months down the line. it's really very difficult for me to, to, to be certain about this issue. again, i think we just have to wait and see the track record is nothing is not encouraging at all. but i think that as a serious start to wake up from the shock and from the current emotional moment and as the civil society in serious start to take part in the whole process. i think there will be more chances of limiting any kind of in the real meant of, of the current process. it would be a great mistake to put everything on the shoulders of sds, because that actually will encourage the fact that the big would have the ability to lead us and, and, and to lead the entire country into an uncertain future. so i think we just have to wait and see or gentle and thankful shedding some analysis on the challenges that

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