and the israel is shutting its embassy in ireland, x using these governments of anti israel policies, doubling. how strongly oppose the war on goes on and recognize a promise been in states. it rejects israel's accusations and says that stands for human rights and international law. so what's behind this move and why now this is inside story, the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm getting you navigate them. israel says that it will close at the embassy in ireland, accusing the governments of being anti israel, an anti semitic irish prime minister assignment harris. how strongly rejected the accusations. he says this country is pro peace pro human rights and pro international law. it comes just after ireland back south africa's genocide case of the international court of justice. and israel's ambassador has not been seen in dublin since may. when ireland said it would recognize the palestinian states along with spain on norway. so what's behind israel's decision and why now? we'll get to where i guess in a moment. first this reports from homes. i'm a how much it is right, is set to close its embassy in island. it follows dublin's decision to support sub africa's genocide case against is that right of the international court of justice

last week? is there any foreign minister gideon sought accused island of having what he called extreme on is really policies a view projected by the irish prime minister. this is d. d. i regrettable. and i will push back very strongly against any attempt by any country to misrepresent are . these are the desires on tedious writing. and but art it is on see the survey, sion of children is absolutely empty, the killing of civilians and is upset 80 at pro peace and pro international law. and pro likely pro monday conditions have not been said, that item has been regularly attacked by israeli government politicians for supplemental athenians w has been a strong critical if there is devastating vote on goods, which has no cause more than 45000 palestinians. tobin last year, last month, after the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for prime minister,

been to bring the thing out for war crimes in guns. i definitely see that is that a leader we'd be arrested if he'd visited ireland or an inmate island alongside spain. and we recognize punishment as an independent state on leading. is there a pre call it's invoice from those countries. wonderful islands, most senior former diplomats sees is there is action to be seen. a speaking on island in particular, is where it has chosen to close this m as in dog one, but not attend. this is in the drain and also the island has worked in lock step with no inside. so there's something going on there. i mean, possibly, i think it's easier to click on a small country, and it is more than able to sign up for itself. and is there any troops invaded southern lebanon in october? is there a quote on island, the you in to withdraw peacekeepers from the country including irish troops, w rejected the request the same month. is there any forces i talk to you in

a few positions. in 1980 island became the 1st you member state to quote for self determination for the palestinian people. public support for the palestinian course is deep conflicting long hill, historical identification with the applied metering centers and expulsion of people . island under petition which ended a century ago. i don't see dates the move, but is right on wants to maintain diplomatic ties with not pass the pros. it's embassy instead of you have them have the disease of what you said story. okay, let's not bringing our guests. joining us from dublin is the hallmark donica who's a dublin. so the counselor of addition fame party in tel aviv allen pen costs a former is really to pull not on writer and remember it's ireland. so we lawler, who is the chairperson of the ireland palestine solidarity campaign. thank you so much for your time. let me home looked on a call,

start with you. what's your initial reaction to this? that well, many of us have been calling for the explosion of the israeli. a buster, not particularly in the wake up the genocide lockson's spouse is brand been out of sight and kaiser. hi i'm for, for many months we've made the call. so effectively, the is riley combustor has expired herself. this variety embassy is, is, is now clause or the house on one hand. it is i suppose attribute. ready to the huge degree of solidarity that there is an artist with the palestinian people. ready who saw their in their parks? it's very extensive. we've had people on the streets almost on a monthly basis in their tens of thousands inside of diety, with the people of palestine. so, i can move, i suppose, problems as no surprise. so it's

a company with every boss started statement which not on the. ready side of the big opposite as far as the post anti semitic. and again, we say the misuse of this term by the israeli government for the criticism of. ready as right is described as anti semitism, so it's a, it's a significant development. so very much in line though with what has been happening to now. oh, just the magic block norms, all international respect for those clearly counts for nothing with the israeli government. okay, so we lawler, on got an allegation of anti semitism. does that argument have any basis in your opinion? the absolutely not. it's just as some here on the, the irish days of the irish people at people you're not motivated by racism at people here in most cases by wanting to stand with our palestinian sisters and brothers. and we're most basic by not wanting genocide to go on and really at the

notion that, that this would be the root cause of fly. and you know, the irish government has taken any of the steps it has or that quite people here is done to solidarity with the process and even people. it's just absolutely untrue. and it is a smear on people here. we have a long standing solidarity with palestine items, and a lot of it comes from our own history of being colonized and oppressed understanding with the recognizing mass and standing with colonized people. but it's well, like millions of people out of the world, you kind of be seeing what we're seeing every day happening over palestine and particularly in gaza and not be moved to try and do anything you can to end at what's being done. okay alan, think us, um, is there support for this and telling me where you are and why do you think that israel is doing this? i mean, is it for domestic political consumption, or is it sending a message to the international community for any other country that could be

thinking of doing the same as ireland did, which is backing south africa as genocide case of the i c j. so is really sending a message from now saying, don't do it. oh yeah, the messages don't do it, but the, the pretext obviously and the reasons for this is just reckless political grandstanding and pondering by a new lea. a pointed, entirely inexperienced foreign minister, whose idea of diplomacy is to shut down an embassy. the question is not whether or not irish policies are being empty is really by is really standards they have been and since really and they, they in no way have been anti semitic. and i totally agree with missile over here. but the question is, if, if this is, you know, if this is the bravado the run both by the pumping of the chest diplomacy, then why hasn't israel done this to spain or to norway? um, you know, a picking on ireland is,

is easy. it's relatively cost free. it's an e u member. yeah, it's not a nato member so, so in terms of, of being a cautious and grand standing at the same time, it serves its uh, its purpose. now, whether or not this is, this is a sign of things to come. i doubt that very much. i mean, let's, i really dare this government through the same to friends, to britain, to germany, to italy, to norway, to spain. or is there any other uh, bigger country in the you than ireland is better. so let me clear the israel has taken steps towards some of these countries. like for example, norway. okay. it didn't go to the lens, it has with ireland, but it did expel a diplomats a at a point in time just a few months ago. well, yeah, that you're absolutely correct. uh during but, but the uh the, the differences. uh, and the pretext that is officially being employed here are being stated here. it's

not ireland policies per se, about the fact of ireland quote unquote intervene meaning joins south africa's petition to the international court of justice, accusing israel genocide, that according to the foreign minister and according to the official statement, was a uh, quote on quote, the uh, red line that israel will not tolerate when it is cross and but, but honestly, i mean, i understand the, the anger, i understand why people are raising their eyebrows. it was just a little grand standing up the most recklessly, stupid kind. but it is just grandstand. okay. me whole of this, the statement that was issued by the iris for administer. this was part of it. he says that i believe firmly and the importance of maintaining diplomatic channels of communication and regret that this decision has been taken. so does this mean that orland then will continue having diplomatic relations with israel despite it now supporting the the i c j case which accuses israel of committing genocide and,

and why does islands want relations as well? and i mean, obviously i'm not as folks for us and for the ours government, but from their point of view, they have taken design that's different, my shadows should remain open. but at the same time, they have a strongly opposed buckets, right? is doing in guys a 100 in palestine a as a whole. hyundai would say donna's consistence, minneapolis was good. how about the case? that's the case. the brakes and we have to provide ties because is ryan has gone so far beyond honey concept of international law or human rights, right. you minus he. and so that's the context of us. i take the, the actions of the irish governments being relatively restrained by you considered a degree of support. there is in new orleans across the political spectrum of the

far pa, this time. and if many people have called 40 hours called metro, much further than they have, for example, the occupied territories bill is a piece of legislation which has been in our power event, but has not been progressed by government. and this would bind trade with today is rising illegal sacraments. unfortunately up to now the government has stopped. i started the station, although now there are signs coming out of our lease in general election where park is made commitments to support that bill. there are signs that that will be progressed, which would be very welcome. and this sunday, it may also be another reason why add user as you call them, it has taken this decision because there is the prospect of that legislation being passed in the iris pilot. and so we, to what extent do you think that that issue of the, the, the bill that was just being mentioned has been

a points of contention. and also just recently, the irish prime minister said that the, the of, or these would be detaining benjamin netanyahu. if he arrived in ireland, that is, of course, down to the international criminal court, issuing an arrest warrant for him. so how would you describe the relationship between is really an iron recently and whether tensions have been escalating and well, i suppose tensions have been escalator and it's always been a bit for us both at the end of the day as me whole says, we've long calls for the irish government to cost all ties a different advertise with these rather we want them to and not the legislation the occupied territories built into other bills. and the legal is very nice estimates divestment ban on the arms embargo bill. and so we want the government to go further and it's measures, and i do think that it's possible that they do because they haven't said that they would not be occupied territories, build

a pending review. and it is possible that this is one of the reasons at that this sabre rattling ask from the israeli government is going on. and so we disagree that they, the diplomatic, a ton of should be kept up with this, right? because really the island and me on my own and said the other day about the genocide case that they once brought in the definition of a genocide at the i c, j a in order to end the culture of immunity. but the higher stage is part of the culture of the into using that has enabled this roads to commit the kinds that it commits daily against palestinians. so we would very much call for meaningful action for sanctions that means rand fernandez at for iris. trade especially still use trades with these rarely state. i mean, you say uh you as well as me whole say that you'd like the iris government to go further. what would you like them to do? because if you listen to some politicians, they say, look, we have recognize the state of palestine. we've increased funding to owner at

a time when a lot of countries have withdrawn their funding. we're so now supporting south africa's genocide case against israel. so what is it that's missing for you? again, as i said, it's those 3 pieces of legislation. so they would go some way towards holding israel to account for what it's doing to the city and people. and if there were transactions on his right as well, that would be meaningful. we have bad news trades that are doing is trace evidence or it has actually increased in the last year. and we have multiple reports of this really weapons going through iris space. so that has to end and we allow the irish stage allows the u. s. military to use china and airports. and the us know that she is a full and active partner in this genocide. so that you then to immediately as an all diplomatic ties to because so again, a, you know, the bare minimum is not an else, especially given what we're witnessing in in gaza right now. so that's why why

congress meaningful mattress from the irish government to sanction is that okay, um alan. think us luck. diplomatic relations exists between countries despite serious differences. right. i mean when you're looking at russia still has to put matic relations with countries like the u. k. and us despite their differences, of course, when it comes to the ukraine war. so israel is now saying though it wants to open an embassy in moldova, instead saying it has friendly relations, then with ireland. so what does that signal to you and does it merely wish to have relations with countries that agree with that politically? well yeah, there, there is an argument that says that is what is your own doing is with an icing diplomacy, as if what the nice thing diplomacy hasn't existed as all is as old as diplomacy itself. but it's always been webinar for us. does it brought you have, does it britain, because the china doesn't, everyone's to be. and so in that respect, announcing that we're shutting down,

shutting down the operation is the embassy an iron, but open a one in moldova is this is part of that grandstanding that i referred to uh earlier but, but, but here's the thing, the re, i, i have nothing sympathetic to say about iris policies like i condemn and criticize my government 24 hours, 7 days a week. but that's not the point. the point is, how do you conduct diplomatic relations if you shut down embassies in countries that you disagree with them, then most countries will not have. uh, i, you know, with the exception of, um, perhaps switzerland, them and one other. most countries will shut down half the embassies of the of half the work that is, that is and, and that's a month to diplomacy, which is why i think this move is silly. you need to engage the irish. you need to engage the to other, get some of these bottle,

and explain to them why you think they are low, where you think they are right. and what is the common ground? shutting down an embassy. that's that's, that's a silly, stupid counterproductive move. oh okay, well i'll in the, i mean that is the headline right now, but behind closed doors and as a former diplomat yourself, do you think that there are more sort of measured conversations taking place right now behind closed doors? what could be going on? what you mean, where in these early governments, right? no, no, no, no, no, this is, this is uh, you know, this is a decision that was made for domestic political consumption. most specifically, uh, buying a new foreign minister who left. and that time you, i was already 5 years ago and now returned um is some kind of a submissive uh mom has made and wants to prove his words and his new loyalty to the uh to the po. so he's trying to prove vanessa now that he's just as cap,

they to bar the expressions on the iris. he's just as catholic as he is. i don't think there's any, uh, uh, you know, sinister idea of being devised here. i don't think any want to say that, but, but you do have to bear in mind one thing the, this, you know, i keep on referring to the form minister. this is decision that was not made without the crime int. he absolutely knew about this. i am sure that he is ireland tries to and that would be understandable to escalate this statements and report create an attorney. i will take his case to his soul mates donald trump and try to convince him that ireland is a problem and that the us did rep for man, ireland. and i wouldn't be surprised if he's doing that as we speak. but in terms of your question, whether this is a uh, you know, a grand strategy some, some devilishly ingenious plan to change the, the congress of his real democracy. now, it's just a grand standing silly motion. okay,

me haul you were mentioning earlier on why that you you think that not enough is being done for the palestinian people on behalf of the politicians in ireland. why do you think that as well as, as though you had said we need to say, do not mix up the occupied territories bill. we need to see trade sanctions. so right. but my question is, i mean, what is stopping all of this from going ahead as well? um the, the, the, the government so far, the actions that have taken has largely been pushed by public opinion. it's very much brought back round a round swell of opinion at har as what the authorities stage is doing to the palestinians. and that has pushed the irish department to the extent of it has a taking these actions. so that's, that's really what is required for their pressure to, to do that. and it should be mentioned off of the,

your context. we've highlighted here this part in spain, a, norway. but it's a part of the, the recognition of the palestinian stage. meaning that this highlights begin action uh whether it be your states. and in fact, worse than in action. there as the park at 40 is right, he stays through all this hard road that we're seeing. and that is that that's something that really needs to be res. strongly within the you by the irish government that it cannot be tolerations task the you worse than standing idly by the menu. your countries are actively supporting the ideas riley stays in this or so that would be a very, very important role. and a very positive start was made by uh they had the iris state working together with spain, arms, norway. um, and as has been said,

it's significant that it's hard and best is picked the terms of closing the i'm to say because word it easy targets because the consequences may be less and are seen as less serious parties right back if i see that the, this red hot charged with the other 2 states just very briefly me whole. i mean, besides putting out the statements, do you think the iris government itself will be taking any action as well? um they have spoken strongly uh, refusing bucks, but the is ready to go from the test that i hope this will spark them on. now to enact the occupied cartridge belts, i think that would be a priority. and as i said, there are 2 with 2 res um 2 to raise this again. but how do you level so that there is marking sir to the auction? the but the you there's the is right of cars. there's a especially the park. there is a special trading relationship with the you, which should not continue. we have

a monumental hypocrisy of that widespread sanctions and rightly so, again, it's russia for the invasion. continuing war against frame. yes. the, the complete opposite is happening with this right out of the you. pace and square is right is supplied her by our every needs and by the you countries on, by the us. and so we, there is an argument, i wonder, what if you can react to this? that's ireland has done everything over the past few years to make itself attractive to sort of large multi nationals. and it has a low corporate tax rates, right? so there is the american chamber of commerce that is also named ireland as quote, the global location of choice for talents and innovation. so that's economic dependency by orleans on the united states. um, what does that hinder our lives, ability and willingness to stand with the palestinians as much as you'd like the

country to spend with the palestinians isn't worried about us pressure. hey, probably be worried about pressure. um i personally don't. i think that's a smoke screen because i think corporations act in their own financial interest does in that interest of morality. so i don't think and the irish days, if the attack system stay the same, i don't think they would be running away from my end. but i think that might be something that the government likes to, you know, put out there as a, as an excuse for not taking action. and there's a part of the irish government that likes to be seen as the best, you know, the best in class, not rocking the bowls. we did that as a new level. and with the us as especially as bus, i don't think corporate interest terabytes of ethics as, as i was a. so i don't think that's not it as so really they should. but you don't think that arlen does have a balancing act to play with the united states,

and especially now with trump. but in the white house, who of course is a supporter of israel and israel's policies. possibly as a political level. and i don't think in terms of the corporations, as he mentioned, the bus, you know, why do we just stand up to us and, you know, take the lead here and, you know, do what the people want is new upset. it's the huge pressure from the mastery globalization that we've had all over the country for 14 months and weekly, monthly, and as a national level. and the government should be reflecting the way of the people and not be worried about us. you know, i watch another other good politicians think about us and really just stand up and do the writing. allen, how, how do you think this is all going to play out as well that does, that obviously depends on how the war is going to play. uh once it ends once there's some kind of a resolution that uh, takes care of israel's presence in gaza,

which i'm not the predicting will be any time soon at that point, quietly, israel will reopen the embassy, and the basset, or will be re appointed or pointed and all is going to, i mean, unless, unless there is a 2nd possibility that in the next 23 months is yours. going to do the same with the mother country and the i wouldn't advise israel to do so. i hope they don't. but um they've surprised me negatively so many times in the last few years. so nothing you know, nothing will come as a uh shop in this respect i think it will wind down but, but um, you know, with the, i see see um a rest lawrence already issued. i see i see j deliberations going on. right. you never aware the next the challenge is going to come. so i don't see i don't

necessarily see this being resolved but in the next few months. but i don't necessarily. ready the so i do not necessarily see it being escalated, certainly not by lot for the this or let me just bring in me hold for a final word from you from you for, for dublin. tell us how the jewish community is seeing all of this, where you are and, and how supportive are they off this? nothing, yahoo government. well, i mean like any other community that would be a variety of views in the jewish community in the face of the organization, which claims to speak for him. the jewish people here would be quite pro is already bought. there are also jewish people inviting much involved in the campaign and solidarity with the palestinian paper. so you're on, how do i, i think this reflects the re, obviously not only in art and but across the world in terms of the jewish community

. as i said earlier, they don't, it's, it's huge, say at damaging dots. it is right. and these are the government. what characterize any opposition to his policies against the palestinians as anti semitic? because that simply undermines the campaign against racism in all its forms. it undermines the whole concept um and it has no credibility whatsoever. so so that that is the context for this. but yeah, thank you so much. we'll have to leave it there. thanks to our guest. me hold mcdonough high. thank you. allen. pink cousin zoe. laura lawler. thank you for joining us. thanks for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out as a result. com for further discussion and go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can join the conversation on x or handle as a inside story from myself and the whole team here in delphi. thanks for watching and by the

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