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hello again on james baseball from the battlefields of ukraine. a russian general has become one of the was late, his victims killed by a bump lost in the central moscow along with his assistant, hidden in the school to the device explosion. and as sophisticated ukrainian operation, the attendant general eagle kara off was chief of russia's nuclear, biological and chemical defense forces, accused of audrey chemical weapons attacks on ukrainian troops on the battlefield. ukraine's be struggling, losing ground to russian forces helped by north korean soldiers. all this weeks before donald trump returns is u. s. president sags he wants to end the war. so how much is the return of trump influencing russian and you trade in tactics. now, what are the chances you'll end the war? and if so, how might what might happen if russia decides to press on against

a weakening ukrainian army? we'll discuss all of this about without gas. but 1st, this report from how does the bahamas, the russian general kill a central most cool, bought from tobacco fields in ukraine. ukraine says eagle capital was that legitimate target, ordered the use of chemical weapons against ukrainian soldiers. must go describe the kid as a terrorist attack. say that besides that i see, but it was the permanent mission of russia to the un raise the issue of the committed terrorist act during the un security council meeting on the supply of western weapons to ukraine, requested by russia on december. the 20th, we are confident that all the organizes and perpetrators of the matter of ego career of will be found unpunished. ukrainian government sources of confirmed intelligence service organize destination as it was, cut it out, your korean president for the musicians who had been meeting the leaders of senior officials code for sure. unity against russia now,

but they have not seen it. now. we need a strong coming position of old partners and we need real piece of the most important thing is that this is the kind of piece that can be achieved through strength is a freshman forces. make advances on the butterfield eastern your green stomachs. but see the tuck was inc, leaning more liberal with the united states before donor trump. refunds us preston because of the battlefield setbacks. ukraine has a very hard time and a very short window of opportunity was therefore, it will use all means at its disposal in order to undermine some how russia's ability to wage this war and to position itself in a better way when it comes to negotiations. when donald trump enters the oval office, the trump has about to push for a seaside between the warning sites when he picks office in january, but does not provide the details. the test but fusing,

keep on you to clean could be pushed into making concessions to most cool. we'll be talking to president button, and we'll be talking to the representative. so let's get representatives from you. okay. we gotta stop it. it's, it's carnage. russia occupies nearly 20 percent of ukrainian territories, that it's easy to keep on sites a waiting to see what trump we do on whether he can succeed in getting a ceasefire, agreed to them and just need for insight study the well, let's discuss this more with today's gas in washington dc, we'd have to leave and his director of the racial program at the quincy institute and the member of the valve di cloud, the russian think tank in moscow. powell folks, and how he's an independent defense military analyst. i think chief alexi melnick is co director of the rest i'm call center ukrainian public policy research

institute. thank you. all of you for joining us. let me start with you. and the told us seems to be in a particularly all day shifts attack. and it seemed to have very sophisticated planning and execution. yes, indeed. it's not the 1st attack organized by the ukrainians. i mean this as a nation, but didn't russia, but it's certainly by far, you know, the highest profile well. and yes, it does indicate to your friends, no ability to, to describe crushing targets. the problem tell us how this is being viewed in moscow and what this saying about how this took place because it was designated we sent an electric scooter just as the general and his assistant were leaving the building. i think he just stopped us. 6 am in the morning to set it off at that exact moment. required precision and some sort of visual surveillance as

well. yes, there was visual surveillance. uh, but the attack was made uh possible because generally the q a been having the uh, security detail whatsoever. you simply didn't have it. and of course uh, the band direct, straight to splinter is normal in moscow at most times, but not right now because it was covered with ice and snow and old as good as were removed by the company's cool waste them. so if so, if there won't be at least some kind of detail, they would know that step as crude they're running around in december. moscow is not dried. so it was just simply not, he was not garner too. is that considered a, it's a serious thought. is that the route the premiums to do that rather easily. there was, of course, the person who was with the bomb did you was monitoring the building, and when the general appear, she just some bridge that's evaluated through

a mobile phone. that was it. but she was soon a parent me of the russians found out the rush at moscow as a very sophisticated system of a closer to television cameras or securing all the moscow streets. and the equipped with the computer system of a recognition of faces. so be russian authorities where we found out who that was, where she went and found him trying to find in the, some kind of village outside of moscow. so it was very so swiftly and effective way . i figured out the whole, so the whole sky. and you let me just pick you up on something you said that people, but you said, you said, you know, you, you say he had no security detail. and yet this was a person with a very important job in the military hierarchy. and he was a very prominent and outspoken figure, is this considered that as

a major security failing to the, the, the one right now is a promoting that the less the directions or the services varies for free. uh, crap, the case. but yes, that's a failure, of course, not to say that this could be, uh, a secure uh, security threat to this particular in general. the, the troops that he is commander of are also in charge and battlefields of ukraine. ad for the usage of heavy plays throwing equipment plus systems of the team. and also deal which are very much used visa or around guided missiles with fuel bomb warheads that are very much used to dig through, breaks through the rest of the brain. you don't get big guns and they've been

defensive. so these are the troops that are very much involved in the russians role, but stadium brands and you great. so they should have asked you and given him some kind of deep, i'd like to see i'm interested by the fact to the officially ukraine has said nothing about this. numerous media, hoping spacing to source is in the training security service, the s b u. and they all saying they did it normally. that's sort of plausible deniability about these things, but they seem to be advertising that they did at this time. i think do you think it spies calling for emma security services? so for instance, that isabel, thank you for your and your brains are doing just a resort and thing about visual face time. as usual, we didn't do my and the responsibility. but also as having said, claimed to the responsibility to find you

a tax. but obviously the piece for service please, are you talking to killing for the very professional manner? again, from, from the point of view of the highest banking, the actual general with the most civilian casualties. and this, i assume that the guy was captured by the mattress. the box was big nationalities, the most probably j t is just the pointed to the survey. and i'm quite sure that says options. uh, what i was trying to find and the us be fine. just that fact, so someone probably just tell me a little bit more about this general general eagle, cool off 54 years old. his job chief of the radiation chemical and biological

defense troops. but i think it's also was remarking on the fact that he was quite a regular on russian television, quite a pro kremlin voice with quite outspoken views to see if there's a lot of speaking to journalists and, and briefing the defense ministry talking and telling us about the american laboratories um bear logical laboratories, in crane and another form, i suppose. so. yet a nation's a. a saying this is the nav story that menu russian officials got a beam promoting that these are can capture biological war orientated laboratories which has been denied by washington and by other uh, probably it states. so yes, he has been telling you about a bad marriage and activity, but i don't think that that was actually really the intention of, uh,

the touch on him for what you said to journalists, i believe just a regular. he was a prominent general and he didn't have a security detail. so he was an easy target and you create him or was a parent we took the opportunity to if it's an easy chart and it's all the old that in washington dc. how do you think this will be seen in the us and by the west? because rushes claiming this was a terrorist act, the planning to raise at the un security council? yes, he was a military man, but he was on russian soil and he was not targeted in the battlefield environment. do you think? so i'm in the west to be a little uneasy about ukraine's tactics. here. we've got some legal point of view, i think because also, you know, it is russian to just way jubal within ukraine. the big question is, has the incoming trumpet ministration will do this kind of thing from a, from

a political point of view. because of course they are or at least trump himself and vice president vance. i'm a peer anxious for. busy an early piece that for them, if they can guess is answer the question that they will be addressing will be how this affects the chances of a piece. that's how the russians will this phone, whether this will lead to a new, neutral escalation that will impede piece towards the end. we. we don't know that yes, i mean, clearly from the ukraine in point of view, this is an attempt to rattle. so the russian establishment to tell them that they are not safe, even within most of um bots. uh well, you know, we, we now have to see what russia does in response. i one can imagine what the response will be to uh to try to target for it goes in into alexi.

you had on the told that say that, that he thinks is ukraine trying to rattle the russian establishment. what's your view of the message that ukraine was trying to send with this particular attack? and i agree with the probably that to one of the target audiences be awesome religion. all utilities just want to show them that they don't say anymore. and that is the key audience is that i can tell you this a fucking from the very beginning to these 4 is trying to frustrate so that i found that this is the so called special military operation. and most go leaves the lights up and use going on now, and that's the number for the tax on west coast. and the,

i think that this particular case actually shows the, not just the following, some general, but many of our from uh, highlighting this the shots that so you'll stay officer is taken to responsibility, athletics him getting professional criminal parts from. so i only know that your finance role and trying to establish justice in, in the only right. no, no, i don't think this is the one that does have an assault about ours in the classical sense. and so i said i'd say that. and then i also agree that said, i know how for a care point and your opinion, leadership does either of the, a simple actions problem, washington, dc. because in number of cases, what i'm call main partners trying to persuade you claim not to do it. the sort

that like for instance, during cube papers in the mail last last year or you can, you know, the facts on that option. the us nuclear facilities or russian. the is me. so do you find that these at voyles storage is the so i think the good this is one of the products to pain shall take you should consider very carefully, but the buyer planning such as x pothole. how is this being perceived by ordinary people in russia? because the will perhaps, and ukraine can feel a long way away, but we have had drug and strikes. we have had previous assassinations and bombing. does it begin to feel about that? well, that's a long way away is coming to moscow. hospitalization, square safety that's removed from the war. it's not felt here much at all in the

streets and the care phase and breast cancer falls. uh this flew up that was a horse will cause a bridge sign, but it wasn't attached as much. now for a new one and the phone is not enough for you way to change the overall mode of the moscow population ability, something more dramatic adventure that can really thinking that they have a bicycle from a front line straight gauge right now. it's not upwards at all. and it's all, let's quickly examine the claims of chemical weapons use in ukraine. this general was in charge of if they are true. what do you make of some of these claims that more than 2000 ukrainian service members have been treated in hospital that they've been using a chemical weapon called a chloral pickering,

which was 1st used in the world will want to talk sick ation. what do you make of those claims as well the, the status of, of this chemical is, is rather ambiguous. it's not to be full agent as was used in, in syria. um, so it's an ingredient in other things including a complete illegal uses a pesticides and forms of riot control gas. the question is the quantity um, but russia has been using it. it seems not to kill people. a box of 2 of you guys, right? please use it to, to, i'm disabled, but in the end about a whole full soup craniums out of bunk cuz um and uh, its that for not mean this is not a weapon of mass destruction. but as i say it's exact legal status

is something that the you know, that the lawyers would have to. ringback debates alexi, let's look at the context of all listen where we are now. the 3rd anniversary on the war will be if it was still going on february the 24th. so we're approaching that. the end of the street. it's a war of attrition with huge human costs, but it's a want to, is it not that your country ukraine is slowly losing? what's your assessment as of as a former military man in defense, defense official is going badly. is it not? yes, i'm due to the baby to success the a couple days later on the battlefield. so you can use the forces ukrainians, force to withdraw from a something, positions are the same time and there is no significant progress on the russian

side is just our shot is made in the 2nd control in advance is on a daily basis. but the actual page, the normal price for these practical expenses. and so we have 5 casualties for scratch. it wouldn't be the time for a flash in advance is something was, is killing me through the man per months. so it throughout will pay cash. uh uh, even you know, to capture the debt score was to control probably a one year or more. i showed that i shall forces on the table to come to tactical successes into racial brain. so but anyway, as i said, it is very illegal. altima just my thoughts, ukrainian possibilities to come back and mother come from a friend. so yes,

it's been a was situation, but just a simple situation for both sides and the d question, just which size will be able to find longer because they talk about. so i mean, upset if, as long as the resources fix the fine, you claim can count on less than support but, but it comes through manpower restaurant. they have b s at least 3 times a year. but those ational subs and how much seems like the only way to understand what shape to use to, to, to find, to some level of compromise seems that both of the registration people do share about the assessment of the situation and kind of russia. it may be, gaining ground, can't continue to bad. these huge human costs. i mean, want us to do. i have with us estimates admit late 600000 dead and wounded since

the start of the war. and russia now sitting in one area of incurs having to rely on north korean forces who are also taking large casualties. a more packet and like provisions of bean, or the ground throughout the waste mobile numbers to test their capability to get a call or a comp at to cooperate with the russians. troops on the battlefield and, and get there. and then the numbers that are not afford will be about $10000.00, which is not the really big compared to the size of the russian non pricing on the front line. so i don't think that factor would be the size of a, there's hope, expressed by the russian press that by the my point in the back of the crate. and, you know, these law says i'm scroll rushing a draft or break the morale of the cranium. troops and that the train will collapse

or increase degree to russian terms. and there is some hope that may be of a new america and the strange, and we'll hope that's happened. and the, this is going, there is going to be a compromise with the compromise on was russian or web pressure believes it's, it's terms and a russian favorable compromise that kind of. com and it's all, would you agree with that? i mean we, we, obviously this has been going on for nearly 3 years, but the time line right now, all you play is just a month. that's when donald trump is in the white house. that's when things could change when he takes office. it was yes, but i mean, i don't think that the from administration is simply going to devolve so i'm degree to russian times. that will be negotiations and it will be compromised. both sides will have to give up to the maximum positions. and of course,

it's on the russian side, it will be determined to a great extent, by what prussia thinks it's chances are on the baffled sales. mean this, as my colleagues have said, of the russian government thinks that this is going to be a war of attrition. going on and on and on with enormous law says forms for very small games, then they will be inclined to compromise. but if they think or if there is a complete ukrainian collapse, then of course they will want to go for much more. and that's something that we've really kind of easily judge because you know, there is the analogy of the 1st 4 was you know, that was attrition for years and years. and then one side or the other did collapse . part of the problem is whole, can speak to that much more than i do, that we're getting a lot of wood from western john this from the ukrainian side about the exhaustion

of ukrainian troops. but of course we're not catching that. what's in the russian side. so we have a much less clear idea of what the condition of the russian on forces in the front line is on that ski. i'm president zalinski. i said originally you wanted to regain all the territory. now he seems to be floating a new position that he might be prepared to freeze things if there are guarantees given to the western half of you crying. what he currently can talk shows up maybe even making it a native member or a sort of what some of the 2nd, a west germany, east germany solution and just a big to we oh, sure to it does. it's not practical, but some changes in the brain. so control very much. so i'm always the position that to the last few knowledge that you're on a few months ago. now,

eh, she's been talking to about the possible compromises, but that as they will so they all have light serves for the presence, the last. and that is the red line. so the level of pumps should be carefully considered to guess. what do you claim, you know, societies like to accept the membership is fine. i'll do. i don't use it as it can be. either it just the, our bus po, uh, no, it's a big deal, but i know something that you can use for the state of affairs. okay. i'd like to, i'd like to bring in people just to respond to that problem. do you see any moved from the most go side from president putin, for compromise right now as well right now, which one is not? which is rush i should of the wall. it's

a good. yeah. it's objectives on the objective is to uh, before problem and says should be accepted as russian don't change. who knows what brand media may don't membership a should be totally close and forever for your brain and as so on. but uh again, what happens on the battlefield in the coming months will determine which way of which side goes. i mean, oh to freeze a more that's getting no one nowhere right now really seems a good idea, but they don't. even if that is, do you ever have to clean the boat? we agreed. actually time right out to see fire what the, the miller try zone. why can careers somewhere in cyprus or that will require so much show the ground word for diplomats or a. is some kind of peacekeepers. i mean,

right now the goal seems rather remote because simply declaring as the fire, where people who are forced to stand right now on the ground, that won't work the door time worked out and then some kind of, you know, try zone thing. and that will also require a lot of negotiations a lot of time. and while that's happening, there's going to be fine. thing is going to continue. so i don't see much prospect, even if there is a desire on both side to find the compromised dash. we switched, we work out a compromise. thank you very much. thank you. to all guess today, alexi mount mc pablo felton. ha. and i'm a to leave. and if you joined just part way through our discussion, remember you can always watch the program again whenever you want on a website, which is their adult calm. well, actually costs the inside story spot and like next time please send us your comments. some suggestions, find us on facebook, facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story on x, we are at a j inside story for me,

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