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those discussions, if you all people from across the world can collaborate, why can't our world leaders international filmmakers and world class journalists, bring programs to inform and inspire too many to justin pratt and much is it, it should be on the agenda. barnowski sierra the. this is alta 0, i'm telling you, navigate dealt with a check on your world headlines for the 1st time and more than a decade senior us government officials are visiting the syrian capital, damascus. the state department's top middle east diplomatic barbara leaf is among them. the delegation will meet the new syrian administration headed by a flooded shadow to discuss what the u. s. is calling transition principles. washington designates the group shut out needs as a terrorist organization to zeros hash i had about a, has more from damascus, a quite
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a significant development for high at the heading of the sample of looking forward to get more sense of international recognition now that they are in control of syria. so bob, i'll leave along with the uh, hostage. oh boy, what would the cost is that the special advice that daniel rubenstein got into her gaze? a sense of the situation here in damascus before they get back to washington dc and re the bite in administration about the latest development. the civilian death toll and gaza is rising. as israel carries out, it's indiscriminate bombing campaign is really forces have killed at least 7 palestinians across the strips, installing on friday, attacks and gaza city in japan, yet in the north. but i saw in the south and on the slate off camp in the center of the strip on thursday killed dozens of people to shelters and gaza. city were targeted both or housing families, forcibly displaced from their homes. is where the settlers of storm the occupied
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westbank village of motor done set fire to a moss causing significant damage. they wrote races slogans on its door and walls is really army then rated the building and interrogated worshippers. in july, the international court of justice declared israel's occupation of palestinian land unlawful saying all illegal settlements in the occupied westbank must be evacuated . ukraine says russia and miss solves have hit the capital key of killing one person in injuring another to emergency teams or at the cnn dozing, the fires in 3 neighborhoods earlier. russian forces carried out a drone attack. the mayor of t vitaly eclipse co has warned residents to stay in bomb shelters, while air defense teams shoot down more missiles for us and forces of also sell the city of her son while attempting to advance towards
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a key bridge. one person was killed and 9 injured as rockets and artillery struck residential areas, which is 0 is defense editor alix will topple us as following developments from odessa and ukraine. this is the black sea seen over significant military defeats of russia by ukraine with virtually no navy. ukraine is managed to sing as the press rushes fleet here in the black sea to the point where russell warships will no longer patrol because they were afraid of being destroyed. but on land, it's a very different story. ukrainian b falls back on a daily basis as a russian forces advance in the east, in the north and in the south, pushing ukraine further further back, just today, the capital city chief was attacked while hypersonic missiles striking several targets in the city, showing the russian missiles and the russian forces can penetrate the defences of
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the most heavily defended city on the planet. at least could so hopeless out to 0. odessa, more than a 100 ro who can get refugees from me in tomorrow. i have been rescued from a boat to drift in the indian ocean. this ro, lankin navy took them to a ports, but most of the most liberal hangup or a minority community in man tomorrow's western were kind states. thousands fled across down by the middle tree in 2017. the malaysians government has agreed to resume searching for missing airlines. the laser airlines flight m h 370 more than 10 years after it disappears. the transport minister says the government has agreed in principle to continue the search with the help of us base marine robotics company, ocean infinity. some debris from the aircraft has been phones, but 2 major searchers failed to find what happened to the plane. those are the headlines, the bottom line is coming up next. the
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a. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. the incoming trump administration is wayne options to end the russia ukraine war. but what does it mean for europe? let's get to the bottom line. the almost 3 years there was no doubt about us support for ukraine in the ukraine, russia conflict, but that was under a democratic party administration, which spent almost $60000000000.00 to support ukraine since the war began in february 2022. nato allies have also devoted as much in cash in weapons and other economic support. since the beginning of the conflict now is power changes, hands to the republican party, things are changing rapidly. president elect donald trump has promised to end the rest of ukraine. work quickly even said you could end the war in one day. but what
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would that look like? and how is the shifting us position playing out in europe, especially in eastern europe? we're russia is literally right next door. today we're talking with you on the policy for administer the czech republic on this special edition of the show coming to you from the doha for them and cut our thank you so much for joining us today. look, i want to ask you about check is strategic dashboard and your hierarchy of concerns . and i imagine the russia, ukraine conflict this high on that. are you worried about the direction this conflict may go with president trump having been elected the united states and having potentially a softer line on russia than joe biden? have the 1st of all, i would not say that the door from zillow have a softer line on your crime, russia we have not heard fully. his plans or visions for conflict resolution in your speaking go higher fee school, incense,
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all the political priorities so equal to the phrase it uh for check. yeah. if this uh the tons of bumping bunk. uh the country with the ridges 3, not all of those goats and divorce singles brought by russian control over the the eastern essential part the few of uh, including could the time to go to the walk. yeah. and um, i don't want to repeat that. so for, for this not to have bundled something, something don't, and do you open. architectural security architecture is very important. so if you are behaving like that, you have a munition initiative. you have sunday, the house, a 1000000 shelves to crime this year. in a row, lumber is much higher of your real spends 2 percent of gdp on defense. and my personal ambition, i still limit the rest of the influence in europe. you know, we need to show russian about the, about us all. can you go a little bit further with what you've done to support ukraine and i know ukraine has said that it hopes to get more from chucky
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a that it expected more from check. yeah, i know there's a lot of discussion about, uh, ammunition and, and, and whatnot. but from my trips to eastern europe, i know that there was a norm is support, enormous cash arms flows. but can you make this more tangible for viewers who may not understand how deep the support has been? so the tech support still your crime? it's a wide range of activities political support on the diplomatic front. it's economic support. so to to you money, it's military support. the not only selves are also pro life and gift quite a lot of immunization and knobs. so it is a comprehensive, a support video goes from chicky. um, so as you can look a few minutes around and development 8, for example, for displace people in any. i mean, the early word we've heard from president trump and some of the people that are around him, like mike waltz, the incoming national security advisor is an expectation that they're going to pressure europe and nations to do more, to support the ukraine,
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to basically keep in the game, if you will take it and i'm just wondering how that will go over with citizens in europe. europe has the resources to help you crime. you even have resources to still do war. we as a europe might be elizabeth a lot of political will. so the not from the will provides x terminal uh, push on that and uh, you know, the stick you with the, a funeral, not only you crying as a nation, it's a state so, so we should take it seriously and be ready to uh, to find those results, so i'm gonna show the policy, i've just talked about europe kind of as, as, as a single entity. and i think, you know, from my experience of starting an east, you know, western europe and moving across the eastern europe, the intensity of feeling and passion about this topic, changes and shift. is there a real problem inside europe that you're out, your neighborhood on, you know,
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for the most part, is one that's really feeling the tension about ukraine. russia and others are coasting along the, you know, i'm very careful criticising my neighbors. i just don't know the facts are friendly as friendly, afraid, live friendly nations of europe. but the reality is that we need to do more and we need to fund resources. this will be a difficult debate in the u. uh, there are certain states which are clearly dedicated to stop russia and ukraine and in, in europe as such, full and baltic states. for example, chic, i'm a nation initiative which physically deliver of immunization for the front lines. obviously, you know how something around. it's a cooperation between chicky, i've done work and underlines and many other contribution contribute technicians and then uh, we have this big players. uh, we really struggle with leadership that will be election soon in germany. of you have a government in front of adults. confidence right now,
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this is not helping but this, those are the situations which needs to result somehow lost on the other side, if you have a new leadership of faith or my group that think that i think jump, you have a new european commission, the commission, the president was stuff on the line continues, and so for example, why so waste chair kind of cut off. it's doing also very good job. so you know, hope everything is going good. hope everything is going, but back we have to, you have to be have to continue. you have to be really dedicated to boost the pressure. do you think there's a blind spot out there about a growing resentment, antipathy about ukraine? we've just seen in the romanian election. the surprise emerge. agents of a character, very few people knew about, was deeply anti nato. and i find it so interesting because the deputy secretary general of nato was from wrote romania marciano was one of the candidates didn't do so well in the election, but a kind of 18 nato pro russian nationalist. one this election that
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election has now been a no because of the concerns about russian meddling, deep meddling and social media. how do you feel about that election and the decision by the court to undo it? and you have concerned that there is this really substantial portion of a public to inside these countries in eastern europe. that is somehow moving another direction when it comes to russia, ukraine, 80 percent of false information. and this is formation activities in europe, about nights from russia as russian origin. so russia, i subdivision not all the physical renew crying, killing everyday people kits, women destroying hospitals and cities. but they also want to destroy mines a few offensive business to business information combines. so the situation and romana is very fresh, are going to have very fresh. so now we are going to drink all the information and i am in touch with people on that. so i, i don't have a direct command,
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it's very concerning. and it's so fusion that you're not going to call them in a way you think it was the result of the cost of something called a scrape. uh the for from the selection. so uh, probably that must be a strong reason, but uh, but uh, i am able to get what you have. i mean, it's been out there and saying that there been over a 100 major incidents in europe. yes. of missed you directly related to russian actions. can you tell us more? yes, it's a clear indication that the number of suspicious of them is growing. the russian aggressive it's the oldest to put services on the proxies as building. so we even had an incident in prague when some person was monday, related the telegram, the some kind of some things to, to learn something to make up publish als, which they are no successful. but why is rochelle doing? that's why they did the same in a folder and then the baltics, why we have so many cases of s b on osh, why we, we need to be able to find some, some, some, some different box. so we need to stop that the, i guess the west,
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so passive and taking this with out are engaging in this information campaigns in russia. why is there not more of an aggressive count her response to basically li, the terms that if you, in russia, vladimir putin do these things in europe and united states and elsewhere, that you run the risk of them being done to your own population. because the united states used to be pretty good at meddling and other, you know. so i would not say that the best this buses. it's 2 bolts. it's a 2 general statement. different countries are going to funds your jobs and there's a different level of sensitivity, some different societies and still to try your hardest, well, it's not overcome. this is the reason why it is called hybrid wolf or it's, it's something which is not the war for a such. so the societies uh less seeing that. uh and um,
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this is sparkles my job to say no, this is a serious situation. you have to do something and uh, my proposals for example, to limit the move month, a fresh and diploma finish and going that route exactly. direction this is direction go, simmons. i don't, i'm not saying that this is an over uh desire of donald trump, but i've heard it from some of the people around him that he may have a desire in the next few years to host something like a state dinner for vladimir putin in washington of trying to bring the u. s. and russian interest back together. and they argue that that might be a small price to pay if he can get russia to stop in engaging and aggressive behavior against his neighbors. would that be something that would give you heartburn? putting this not interested in didn't or which in is interested to destroy you quite as a state the ukraine in us as a nation. and so as a landscape the president, he wants to erase your claim from the met. this is duplicates real. didn't know. so
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i don't want to comment on on a pl sibyl or speculative scenarios, diploma. think history between us and, and russia. of course it's ok that those 2 states us diplomatic relations center. that's a spectrum office. you recently met with a group of european foreign ministers and had a discussion much of it dealt with ukraine and what uh, both red lines they would be and what plans of action would would be what, how, how solid do you think the group is? you mean like the natal or the you need to is based on the optical size. so for a long thing, can you have to work on it? i think the most important thing is that nato is now working on new defense funds. so we see, well, the russian army, sorry i both and the other trucks, the tourism, and we, and we look into what our capabilities are. and the message is clear. we have to invest more into defense and the message that the to person arnold see lincoln's
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just the baseline of it shouldn't be fulfilled by everyone. and the more of this debate will come from your perspective. after listening to president's a lensky, off and on, you know, his aspirations for nato membership sooner than later. but hearing from both european leaders and, and american leaders, you know, maybe it needs to later, you know, be later than sooner on nato membership. but when you think about a potential deal, something along the lines that a general kellogg who's coming in to be an envoy for the presidency. you know, the rest of you green conflict is looking at some, you know, territorial, free, some freezing the conflict to begin to negotiate. but basically taking off the table a needle membership for some time, what kind of formula do you think might work? so 1st and foremost, we have to stop pushing for once, not to give him a pulse, to take a breeze, and then continue the. and i think the, it's, it's less money, and we month we will suppose to stop to,
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to get for sort of the lent pots of trickle slovak, you have to auto hitler. and i don't have, i say, this is my last the month. i won't be minus anything more and we know that it will just incentive to solve the 2nd world war with a full on to effect friends and to to then been so busy. so we have to stop it and solve it as a piece, which will be just a last thing. if you do some kind of freeze, the rest of it will be able to produce that funds, find most soldiers and build up their armies and then continue again. so this will be a biggest mistake of what is all. so what does that dynamic initial, a policy? what would be that dynamic to genuinely stop it? because that wouldn't involve some dimension of deterrence. some dimension of much more serious armed forces defending whatever line you draw other than just leaving you free to use the uh, i like, oh, i like the same piece to his friends. and that's about
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a stick we think around these. so does the discussion. we have now and, and europe, how the sick, the accurate security guard and the discussion world would be the form of the guarantees of some say if there's an april membership. so triple session is ok. yes . and april membership is the strongest possible guarantee. and then you have many, many other possible luck. now every day there is a fight. think russia news is more than 1000. so just every day, every day. and you calling us out losing. so just to have, you know, know the exact figure. but it frustrates losing 1000, it will be also quite a significant number of the plan side of so i think the ultimate goal should be to stop it will just bought it. so what do you see as the check? he is unique role in this moment. you know, trying to basically broker this. i'm sort of interested in what role you as a,
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for an administrator playing at this moment broadly. are you uh, going along with the flow of other nations? are you able to put ideas on the table yourself? is there anything proactive you're doing in this class so? so the roles took guys to be really good, possible good to lie and to do our homework and take i will start share 11000000 country so, so we could do something we could do change like that. i'm interested in to share this or do you mind so now and so of course i try to bring good new ideas to, to move, to go to what can be done. so that's, that's how i see the role of chick yet. me to me, you sound quite hawkish on, on russia and drawing lines. there are some domestic dependencies that, that the check here has on russia, particularly oil in energy. still, can you talk to us about that? how do you remain dependent on russia? i'm not saying you want to be, but you are dependent on it at the same time of trying laws. i mean i,
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i just even don't know how you would manage that g o politically and from an economic perspective. how is that going and are, you know, how are you making progress in cutting off that dependency? so the current government made a clear decision right off the full scale invasion of who quite and as we look good with all the defendants in russian hodges. and i guess we'll solve, we have some capacity terminals in germany and lands. we can get the g and we will get rid of the russian oil next year. so there is no contradiction. you don't want to be dependent on someone who wants to have luxury. you at the same time, do you fear it will a kind strategic contraction of us commitments around the world that one of the things i think president trump represents is a frustration of a lot of americans. that somehow they play a security guarantor in the world. but china has come out, ending up a winner in their i is that american manufacturing got hollowed out,
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that there were a lot of trade offs that were very uncomfortable for american. it's made the security equation much, much more complicated. and i'm just interested in, as you look at it as someone who's close the united states watches, united states values, the relationship, are you worried about it becoming dimmer to some degree because of the american populism rising right now. i don't have a designated fonts for, for the 2 up survey sions to might not survey. it was donald trump, who push the agent out to persons you'd, you'd be spending on defense, you're in your system, and they to applaud that. and we apply that. it's now being fulfilled, and so things are getting better and what the soonest, think it. and so on the sense, i would say this is a positive thing. and the other thing here is that the conflicts in the world are not a separate one anymore. so as you see this and you're sitting here in doha, we've got delegations here from russia, evaluations from iran. we have representatives here from syria check. yeah. and
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from check. yeah, yeah, you're in the middle of a major major for them here. and it's not that everything would be resolved here, but i'm just wondering, do you think that this sensitivities are in the right place regarding what, how, how much worse? everything could get, you know, today in the middle east, we're seeing what's going on in lab. and on the scene is real, gaza, we're seeing, you know, breakdowns in syria and how worried are you about a repeat of history? us, uh, we should learn from history the repeated. that's a very famous, very famous quote. it's important to have a place like they'll have to have a different kind of confront seasons conjunction organizations because the real frontline soldiers of these are diploma talking to each other, solving issues. and if they fail, then we have that, that'd be written estimate direction. so if you will, to get rid of the military actions and war, we need to talk to each other. but it has to be, it has to be a reasonable discussion. and in a, in, in, in case of frushell rush,
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i still like to discuss and the very present that they said it's multiple times that they, they, they think we the following line. we are just told with america i voted, worked as ours. a lot of it is a lensky about how to withdraw from your plan. so you should listen to that. so we have the language and i'm thrilled that to have this a big stick. so then you can speak softly on ask this question carefully, but i know you have a very special relationship with some of your neighbors to visit grad countries hungry, poland, slovakia, a check here. and it seems that that used to be a bastion of you know, democratic activity. it seems to be slipping. slovakia, uh, had it has a rising populous trend and a populous company that came in, i think, is populous, govern under prime industry feed. so, and you have in hungry, of course, uh victor,
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or bon, who's seems to be on a demonstrably different tract and much of the rest of, of europe and has not been expelled is still in. is there a brewing problem in your neighborhood? when it comes to how these countries, donnelly, look at russia, look at china right now. a lot of countries worried about china as rise and how to manage that. and i'm interested in how that is handled from the us perspective, as well as the trans atlantic perspective. what are your thoughts so long to figure out it was created in the fine, long ago to give us a go off the ascent of communism. and it was the big names like chick president, boston hello, or police president like wallace. and it was created with the vision that those for centrally open countries will do good to join nato and the you and this promise was fulfilled and these are very successful incorporated. and the other goods times on best times will be suggested about. so now we have a major disagreement,
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an interpretation of the 2nd with this situation in europe, chicky, i'm full of, let's say, that's uh, we see things in the quite the way. russia is. what wants to destroy the 2nd with all the and you up? so we find that agreement, it's like a hungry for it, for example, in natal or in the you. but this is the limits of the agreement and there is not much space for more again. so the be significant cooperation continues, but it's not just about that. it's also about it's a culture of the good. well, it's all of us have people look at victoria bond as a, as a, as an autocrat. uh, you know, coming to power and, you know, just enabling a democratic institutions. we just see that worried about that is that is that concern over place in, in the year and a house in a hungry that would be actually on sunday or monday. so it's kind of the beginning in the fall so. so let's see. uh, let's see how the, how the, let me ask you. finally, you were in ukraine recently, and you met presidents
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a landscape and you gave him a book. yes. i'd like to know what the book was, cheryl or this is a beautiful, beautiful is it gave me a book about possible problems. prague was that what you gave in this book was not the to guide for presidents the landscape. we are ready to invite presidents that let us get to, to, to as a to is to proud when the voice over of it is official. you'd like me to my book all over. i gave him a book of russian for anything else. uh, rush, i slang every day. love rufus lank every day. and we wanted to show to people that this for kremlin, for it. those are really for it though, sense of to, to give some sex check to go slice. so it's an a funny way. this is a set of social media posts which is to make fun of the rest. so what was the rest of the live flow as presence of landscape reaction? he will surprise tables that they and he like this. and he would like to see that
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you created a virgin, mr for mr. thank you so much for being with us today. thank you. thank you very much. i. and so what's the bottom line? you as president elect donald trump, may be able to work with russia's red lines on ukraine, but to most european governments, it may sound like a peace man or conciliation and a direct threat to the principal of state sovereignty. the further east you go in europe, the more folks are nervous about what a deal with russia and ukraine may look like. don't forget, they're in the neighborhood of ukraine, and they were subjugated by the ussr, the soviet union. for the longest time. america has no strategic interest in giving away everything to russia, but it could go either way, some voices into trump point house or solidly against any russian advances. yet there are other voices arguing that this conflict really isn't one for america to keep investing. the difference between them is start, but that's what lies ahead. and that's the bottom line, the
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unique perspectives. what could my community be gaining if we weren't spending money on all of those bonds killing uses in that i said 11 on, on her voices. the world has turned its back on so that our lives to match. so many people matter just as much as any other connect with our community and be part of the conversation. we feel very unsafe because of the 2nd 12 presidency. they don't see the need and then trying to appease to people on social media, the stream on out to 0. his 1st trip out of because the optic and when i met with, as voters are sealed, then israel isolates because of a palestinian filmmaker become stimulus in no way. i. so it's, i'm just going to go for one month and go back again, separate from his family and homeland and denied the right to work. the bottles for acceptance in a foreign land tide with dakota, forms of lease to know how to explain to situations,
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then you're going to fight it for me because uh to the optic witness on. and just so, you know, i'm told stories from asia and the pacific on out the, this is all to 0. i'm getting obligates over the truck on your world headlines for the 1st time and more than a decade senior u. s. government officials are visiting the syrian capital, damascus. the state department's top middle east diploma barb relief is among them . the delegation will meet the new syrian administration headed by a flooded shudder to discuss what the u. s. is calling transition principles. washington designates the groups that are leads as a terrorist organization. the 0 is how someone had bought a has more from damascus. quite a significant development for high at the heading of the shop, ah,
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looking forward to get some more sense of international recognition now that they are in control.

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