i tend to lead to let him do that to us. the evidence in this case is frankly even stronger than that that we had against the nazi sitting there in the in the 1st of a 2 part series out to 0 photos, powerful cases of all crimes against civilians allegedly kills by the syrian government. with photographic evidence from the seas of files lost souls of syria on outages, era israel carries out this strikes. so yeah. and who's the forces that launch missiles, a ton of these attacks on his boma and 11 and then the full of a 7, syria, a foot the who is key allies, yvonne under more pressure. so how much it won't affect you have them this is inside store. the hold of that on james bay is yemen is one of the poorest countries in the world. is

people suffering from a pizza to monetary and crises of, to years of civil war and instability? who's the rebels? not the internationally recognized government control, much of the country on a closely allied with the wrong about a month into israel's war on god says a who's the started attacking israel and the ships in the red sea, a vital global trade route. but israel's targeting of arabian back to his bullet in lebanon, and the i was thinking, this highlight basha, i lost sight in syria as to the regional political picture. so what impact to might the oldest have on? yeah, and then why us so many international power is concerned about what happens that will go to a panel of guests to discuss all of this at the moment. but 1st is report from katya lopez. what are you on, or a new wave of a tax between long time adversaries. these, this really strikes on humans, energy facilities could signal another escalation between his really forces and who

the fighters, prime minister benjamin netanyahu suggest more attacks against the rand packed arm group could follow. i'm us because by law off to him boss his belie, i'm the aside regime in syria, the who these are almost the last of the runs, excess of able they are learning and will learn the hard way that who we have a hands. israel pays a very heavy price for their part, the who they say they launch 2 ballistic missiles. that's hollow beads. at least one was interested in israel, set the debris damage to school. the who is the show. no signs of backing down. a sentiment often echoed at their palestinian solidarity rallies in the m and in the was a lot of them and yeah, i will on forces as previously stated, reaffirmed reading this for prolonged war against the enemy. a israel has a week and a rance political allies, homeless and gaza, and has a lot in love and on and recent months. what that means for lucy fighters in human

part of it ran so called access of resistance is unclear, as is the impact of donald trump returned to the white house in january, much, much t, z. as we haven't heard from the incoming us government, which is not unusual, they're not settled yet. we prefer not to react to speculations, but different parties, such as the media or former authorities about possible approaches. serious new administration and how it will address both allies and adversaries. could re shaped geo politics, will be on the middle east. human, one of the world's poorest countries ravaged by years of civil war. they now be under renewed focus in a rapidly changing region. katia lopez again, which is 0 for insight story. well, let's discuss all of this for the with today's panel of gas. and joining us from london is probably our most. let me a research fellow at the track on house of middle east and north africa program. he's specializes in yemen and the white

a go for region in washington dc. now bill quarterly, a full my us diplomatic deputy chief of mission to human. and in a mom is still to him about a cost, a professor of public policy, but haven't been khalifa university. thank you. all 3 of you for joining us. so we have in an attacked by the who sees on israel and is riley attack on the admins. salt and let me start with you, take the israel posts of this 1st. do you think that responding to who the attacks or do the data feed feed the moment in time to actually try and seriously degrade another, add the st. while they're trying to do both at the same time, they as well now must feel very uh, high riding high in terms of the power in the region. and you know, for that reaction to particularly 11 and now in syria, they feel that they have to go to

a chain of events that it will include inevitably, whether they like it or not to human, because they want to deteriorate, deputy job fair on to use any of prints proxies against is right interest. so in a way, uh whether the amenities have to go does messiahs or not? i think those are his, were going to be and reacting us on stage 2 of them. and the danger here is the way the with the targets that they're hedging in yemen. not the same type of talk. is there anything, for example, in syria and syria, they're trying to, to generate the ministry capability of the city and army, and making sure that the weapons doesn't get into the hands of the originally groups and so on. in yemen, they're going specifically off to a civilian infrastructure, and they understand very well the impact that's going to have on the syrians again and, and human, there are more then to the population. almost $19000000.00 of them are in need of

food that is tripped into the country for those ports and to hit the ports to hit the power stations to a game that go off to this sort of targets. that's our legal under joshua terminal and points to the same discussion we've been having again and again that is l fields. it's about that all and it can reach anyone anywhere and can go as far as it wishes in terms of punishing them for whatever action they're they're undertaken . and of course, they're looking at it and in this way, they haven't done what they've done in the past. and that does rely on the united states. and if somebody sends the united kingdom to do the work on their behalf, that is targeting within, within the many drug trees. and so i think there is something to be said about them wanting now to enforce this position above is there as the super power in that

asian now that they're on has taken a backseat. so um the bill, do you think calculations have changed then in terms of eve and jerusalem in recent months? because if you go back earlier in the year, there was some in his route who are very wary about a possible, it radian response, and of course, until september, the bite and administration was warning thing we call and have a regional escalation. well, it seems to buy new ministration. people in washington dc seems quite happy with the results of regional escalation right now. yes, i think israel is feeling quite confident and is uh, pushing it, submit it to your advantage in the region. there's really very little that the same is the current government, the spied some voices in israel from the left, the majority seems to be an item going. and the government feels empowered to pursue as options in the region after, uh and,

and washington as the, i mean, very mines that up runs at times. but essentially washington agrees to whatever it is and chooses to do uh after effects on the leadership of how my us in gaza and beyond. so significant that tax on has a lot of leadership in loveland. and then what just happened in sylvia. now it seems they have the capacity and attention span to turn to yemen, and the tax on civilian infrastructure are bad enough. but i think they might feel and be sure as to go after a, who is the leadership in the amount as well. so the sort of thing we've seen in terms of trying to take out the leaders that we've seen with regard to his blog and

how much value do you believe is and the thing that has a break on his riley action right now, particularly as we have the trump team coming in, in a months time, who may well give, get these right. these even more leeway, i don't think is right is could have been more excited. this goes with the come coming to the lighthouse, but i think of what will happen is the young man was a matter of time. i think it was going to go after the house. he's even before syria is that the didn't open photo. and i think regardless the hotels will continue that tax that i'd see, they would continue that that's a nice little as long as there is a water in the lot is that they have made that very clear. and they have been very consistent about that. there is a moment right now of course, and which is where a lot it's allies in the region and outside feeling that they have have done no harm of taxes. so for the distance and that it's the time for that to go after the holidays. i think that's a lot of illusion. of course, the access have a cell phone lately and i've been in touch the cell phone is also in syria. but by

the end of the day, the shuttle i said was a liability for the access. and in fact, there's been some, you don't know, you would have heard of us going back to syria. and most importantly, you would have the house is jumping into the front seat of to access a for existence and the how to smart that has belong or then even how much they have the benefit of geography them. and it's 44 times because i'm 11. but also they have the leverage of being extremely vig, less and less afraid about how this will impact to him and he is on how much will backfire. and that's another element they have. so you know, yes, you do have the region of success of the access flag customer for life hours. but at the end of the day, you have a group set that in the model of the list. and they're also sitting on one of the most important outside of charlotte, and i would sort of which is that in see for the trades. and so of course i think that's what we go for. what then i don't think it would have changed. the health is in fact if for any things that have been wishing for that and they have been

deprived from the fact they can't go in a direct what with as i am until october, something happened for them. and this is something they could not be more excited about a sole time the is there any prime minister benjamin netanyahu issued a statement? he said the who sees a learning and will learn the hard way. that those who strike is what rail will pay a very heavy price for it. do you think so israel has the capability of the will to launch the sort of operation that launched on 11 and and gaza, given the cost, whether it's a cost benefit analysis here in terms of the amount of money in missiles it will take. and it's very different geographically, we're talking over 2000 kilometers. well, we must keep in mind that these are, i cannot operate without the support of the united states. they cannot totally supply. they do not have a technology on their own. they need the us to go alongside them step by step to

out new or they undertake. and we saw this and guys that we saw this and nothing and more recently so. so it's more about the us as well. to see is all going in the back yard of saudi arabia to try and teach you how to use a lesson. knowing 100 percent of the how things have an incredible ability to absorb whatever is right of those of them. and they have enjoyed in good, incredible support from that population within the m and as a result of them standing by the public opinion. so the more they do to the policies, the stronger they may become within the administration of famine and become more of a problem to solve the or a bit in the days to come. so there's, there must be an image i thing to what israel is capable of doing the inventory that to nothing. yeah. who is now using is one of someone who has pretty drunk on power. if it was that you can teach anyone anywhere within a huge radius of his or how to behave and he knows 100 percent,

that this is unsustainable. the people around him without jo, whatever he draws on them, and they will come back to him not this year, next year to the year after it's on the on the thing that would really make a difference is for nothing. yeah. who sits around the table was with the leaders in the region and resolve the typical issues including the occupation of santa trapeze. but also the respect of international humanitarian law and international in general. without him doing this. again, threats and all the time, and he can kick and hit as many as he wishes. and you can see that it has made as well the pious days. now on the national for very few states have maintained relationships. a lot of people avoid any contact to direct or in direct as much as possible, and there is a warrant for his own arrest as, as a war criminal and things are not really going well for a 0 overall. now he things may have to be improve, it's

a bit and trump coming into power may help him. but there's a little bit of how much drum would be willing to stand up to the rest of the international community. and knowing the way he is dealing with things and knowing his agenda, funding to achieve so many deals in south asia and with the rush i ukraine and so on. so i think that would be a limit for his for even trumps. tolerance of how far and that's and you know, can go on out of it today. i think that the, yeah. who is the objective is not really the young man or even the syria is objective, is to turn on to the palestinians from within a would like at a minimum, normalize the relationship between the settlements and is there a proper and consider that's a form of an extra ition maximum you would like to on x, the hallways bang. and as we saw him moving on the going on heights. so he will be using a lot of these generational complex to distract everyone's attention from what is

going within is rather than publish time. because ultimately that is objective to me is not, it doesn't really give a damn about the relationship between the how these are the so these are not gonna come and protect us. how he does that at any moment. no bill, let's just turn this around and look at it from the who sees point of view. i mean, if you assess what they've done over the last 14 months, they've demonstrated a great appetite for risk. they've been following this solves that, is ralph of attacking shipping, knowing that that'd be a response from certainly the us and the u. k. and other western nations potentially do you think they will continue? what they have been doing, given what they've seen in gauze and loving them. the exact house is or uh, absolutely fearless. uh, they add that month and threats and strikes against them were not changed. the

politics uh they see it as to the advantage of domestically and they see it as a moral obligation that they have to do something to support the people in a file of fun and guys in particular, uh now whether they have an impact on things on the ground is another matter whether all their actions are actually helping the palestinians or not is questionable. but regardless, i think they are compelled to continue in the military actions. right now there is a chance for them to get back into around the table talks inside them and they have indicated the last couple of days that they are willing to sign the roadmap that was presented to them by the un envoy guttenberg. so as long as it doesn't combined stopping military action against the with b as in yemen,

the government of yemen that is mostly based and very odd and sometimes in, in ogden, is not very favorable to going back to that agreement right now. but they would like to see it, the amended. so given the complication and given the intent of the host used to continue the action against israel. i think it complicates the stocks inside the mind. it makes it difficult at this point to get back to much needed uh, the stocks that would relieve the humanitarian pressures on the people of human. i'm sorry, can i ask you your assessment of public opinion in yemen, particularly and who's the controlled area is what do people think about what the who sees a doing because they belong aligned themselves with the policy new tools. that

slogan is, gold is the greatest death to america, dest, israel cost the jews victory to as long to that is the main difference between the how it these under groups, let's say life has been a lot, a lot of the have these photos, say stuff to add a new has been line, i actually wish that a new or has beloved because it does get about its consistency. it has its own population and it does worry about what it does or doesn't do how it impacts its local population. the houses are not in any way close to that or even cared about that and it's not so good. they took a forced by power and they the 2000 is what similarly is right in the for many years. so for many, many of the hotels are like, you know, this person who abuses his family inside the house. and then when he goes out, he's a trying to help an elderly across the street. everyone in the city and outside the sink. oh, how nice of him, but every one inside the family knows how horrible the he is inside the house. that's how i think most families, few to one of them. that doesn't mean people are not a cheating up for something on but

a stein. but that wouldn't be for anyone who does anything for about a style. this is a defense question in yemen. just like in the me that it's, it's goes beyond the political, the front lines. i think. what when a change of the, how it is in the long term is basically whether this would impact the engine input . so there may be on with other goals, countries or not. so thought of the gulf probably minus 2 countries have been watching very happy. this is ryan, is on the hook is fighting at these other have been watching the americans and the british fight and get these other what's, what's called a childish a sentence off. we told you, so we told you so to the water. but i think if there's anyone who can testify him to help a new job and use of the idea of forcing them and it's definitely the gulf, they have to try to both of these for 8 years. and that by the end of the day, i'm not gonna have them to change that to be heavier, but ultimately destroyed them. in fact, they have use and they will continue to use and he wants to 1st project mode power domestically. but also to address that local population and to do whatever they

want as they have done in the last month's present in 8 are going to ations, but doesn't even diplomatic stuff. in fact, if for anything they have use this to go further and further. and i do think that we actually what would happen the next most, the hope is that i know some of the lead to that is right is they seem very powerful. they seem very confident and they feel they come to whatever they want through the menus as long as they are fighting the dockets had on that and that it seemed to support the style. okay, hold on for that people. everybody loves the bill now on your point about the gulf countries, and i want to focus specifically on in many ways, the key one here, which is saudi arabia. clearly saudi arabia does not want to be pulled back into a role in yemen. but it's got this piece steel with iran that was broke good by the chinese. but on the other hand, it's got the us and probably even most of the trump administration pushing for

normalization with israel. so is saudi arabia being pulled in different directions and where are they going to go? indeed they are. uh but uh, i think that uh, as far as the amount is concerned um, solidarity be uh um, as far as i said, tried for a to use and finally they made peace with her with these the last year has been very quiet on the from between the amount and saw there may be a uh they would like to keep it that way there. uh, understanding the dates on to a the, it on is important to them. um, how about this of mine that has all the priorities? mainly i cannot make that he wants to press i had to is. so uh, as long as the 3 of sol debut is not used for a tax against the hoses, i think the whole these were refrained from any rockets on solid in that area. they are happy to keep the peace with the solid ease,

despite the rhetoric sometimes that is very harsh against the kingdom. ok, let me bring in soul tide allowed to bring them to to let me bring in salt and to discuss another very t regional plan, which is it wrong. we know that they are an ally also who sees what's all wrong going to do now. i mean, as a going to back off of from yemen, given what has happened to that other allies or does the fact that we've seen that the demise of aside we've seen the cutting of beloved link from iran to a through syria, to his bulk. does that mean actually iran has more weapons available and could double down on it support for the disease? yeah, well, we need, i think, to appreciate this. iran in the past has used the, its proxies in the region to as and to ensure the security and to make our give as well the image that, that is at the tires here. i mean attack from is, uh, will be, uh,

responded to from uh it from the from 11 and from sir. yeah, from yeah, man, etc. but that to that equation has now collapse. and it has a threatening to show a ron more of a such a firm, a paper tiger. now i think they will withdraw back. they were drawing back already, which is even in the way they did not react to the situation in syria. and there must be recalculating. there's such as even the region may be potentially moving away from relying on that brock. she's in the region to really consider that and go on and turn their front. and by definition, that's what mean they have to go back to the nuclear option. now that they experienced a direct confrontation where the israel, the exchange of the size and stripes is on. uh, they only do the thing that will keep them safe. that logical thing for them to conclude is that they must accelerate their nuclear program because that is the one

thing that word stuff is route and the west from confronting their i knew. so i suspect that would be a couple of years of now focusing more on the internal defenses within your, on, on speeding up the new kind of program. sorry, of the old. so reports of a possible deal of this deal between russia and the who sees the financial times newspaper reported recently that the may already be who's the forces in ukraine. what do you make of of those reports to? yes, i think that is how's the fights out of so, but i think and you can and none of the fights as you, but i think on you can just the amend these that is also something that i shall have a try to matthews. we're talking about time, but it's possibly a little bit of thousands. but the order just like any access of an existence, they're very transactional. they want that relationship with the students they are using with the chinese that have tried to ask and i saw how do up and it hasn't succeeded yet,

but i wouldn't be surprised in the long term if the child supports them. however, the only thing that would probably stop the restaurants from doing so is so did idea. just select the americans, the restaurants of the chinese and most of the international power look to you, i'm going to for the saw that i'd be eyes. so i think if that's really true, but it dies. so did i have your security bought this then that's the only thing that will stop that assurance. otherwise, i won't be surprised if the host is reach out to north korea. date on is, let's know they're already could've been a thing with folks and holding the foster care. they have good then it tends to be the groups and not up and elsewhere across the world. so that shouldn't be surprising. i mean it on and it's the bronx is in the regions content a to is what i have had the history of surviving i solution very was it on and it's approx is what under sanctions for the kids. and in fact, they had that only made them a closer to each other model of the night and somehow have found a different and throughout the exchange business to exchange information, but also to coordinate attacks and to put the night for the global production of

power across that region, no bill, i'd like to, to finish with you on a quick source on this, although it's a complicated question. we have to whose these, but of course they don't control all of you haven't, does the international recognize government. but that's is divided as well as you look at the situation now, do you think? yeah, man, is ever going to become a single unified country again because must have much of his history. it was divided. sure. i think uh human has a lot of potential. uh, really, if the various factions come to the other and agree on the future on the, i'm on, on a national defense strategy that they put it on a trip and, and, and organize. they don't need that on. they don't need a russia, but they do need one another. now, if they can agree to form a nation once again, the present soul sizes equally well and good for them on if they cannot. and i

think that's the more likely thing because of the silence is adamant. does not want to be back on the sign a, a rule, then an amicable separation and amicable divorce, where they can work together a separate countries, both obviously quite related to one another. one way or another, it's the moneys and only the menus who can decide that either way, whether they come back as one nation or 2 working closely together. the potential. ready is there for them to be a strong healthy and was the nation again, but they have to agree with one another 1st. ending that on a somewhat optimistic note. thanks to i guess today, probably almost let me know bill corey and salt and banner account for joining us for our deep dive on the i'm and as always you can watch this and any of our other inside story programs whenever you want on our website. it out as they were don't

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