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hello again. 9 james bays, fighting between the sudanese army and the power military rapids support forces is escalating and north the for the regional capital alpha she a, a seen intense battles in the past week and there's no rest spice in other parts of the country. both the army and the permanent group denied deliberately attacking civilians. so what would it take to get the 2 generals to negotiating table and is the us willing to take decisive action against the foreign powers fueling the conflict? we'll get to these issues in a moment with all panel of guest, but 1st this report from will some dies out. half a 1000000 people forced from their home is by 20 months of conflict in sudan have suck shelter here. this is sam sam refugee camp in north star for state near the regional capital of alpha sheer. their soldiers and paramilitary fighters are
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locked in brutal battles for control. the rapids support forces or r s f, has laid siege to the city since may and is holding a line against the army. the violence is killed at least $780.00 civilians attacks that may amount to work crimes. the un says, use alarming situation cannot continue. the rapid support forces must end this harvest each and the urge will part is to the conflict to stop at techs and civilians and civilian objects. i called on them to comply with their obligations and come maintenance on the international l. foster has seen some of the heaviest fighting and aid workers have been caught in the crossfire. on friday, 3 world food program employees were killed. despite efforts by the un and other humanitarian organizations, medicine and food are in short supply the mosque done. there was a lot of hardship and suffering in this place. one of the things people here eating
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is on by the way stuff, dave off to pressing the oil from p not shelves, which is a type of animal feed of the office of extra oxy. well, we take the own boss services by this week, the us announced another $200000000.00 in humanitarian assistance and repeated international calls for a cease fire of crimes against humanity in an address to the un security council. secretary of state antony blinking, or is what he called for, and sponsors to stop sending drones and missiles to them outside actors are arming and supporting both parties turning and internal power struggle into a conflict with global dimensions. in short, a failure to act and sudan threatens the peace and security that this council is charged with preserving the us as investigating whether the united arab emirates is supplying american made weapons to the r s f. us special envoy to the middle east and north africa, breton mccook, told the senate that the u. a has made assurances. it isn't arming the or assess
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and will not do so going forward. the findings of the investigation are due to be released 3 days before president elect. donald trump takes office in january. during his previous term, trump had a more comfortable relationship with the u. a. then biden has had and it will be up to him to put the reports, recommendations into action. wilson does art al jazeera for inside story. the that's discuss all this now with our panel of guests today. joining us from colorado is w. abdul monia and sidney spell the list and commentator in boston, massachusetts, alex deval, the executive director of the will piece foundation. he specializes in peace building in saddam and in london colored cat, the founding director of cum fluids advisory. a think tank formerly based in call to thank you very much for joining us all on today's program colored. if i can
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start with you, it's rage. this will for only for over 20 months, of the horrendous human toe is still growing. it did, nothing is improving its looking really, really grim is, is that your assessment? yes, and it's quite understandable, given the circumstances and nothing is improving. we haven't seen any real alacrity by that, you know, international powers to improve the situation. and so that in there been count as meeting counts as mediation for an encounter. so you may think of the un security council that will come to note, and that's because while it's so that has been gaining attention over the past 20 months and then publish the circles and immediate houses, that just hasn't been any concrete action. but the international act does it have to commit to, and that's and sends a very clear signal to the bit of drug policies. and so done that actually you've been to the committee isn't interested in and seriously seeking the resolution. as of what we've had of the preparation of the conference, we've had more fossil fuel pump lines over the past 20 months. and initially was
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we've had an arms race over the summer, which has seemed most sophisticated and just larger volume, a weapon we coming through. and in all of this, civilians have boned the front of the violence alex, let's have a look at the states over the battlefield. right now we look at a map here and you can see this vast country is not plainly sliced into 2. there are 2 areas and then there are into 20 tentacles that stretch out across across the map. what's your view of the, of, of who's got the off behind it seems perhaps the sued, named sydney's forces will be making more gains in recent months. certainly i think it's, it's the case that in, on separate of the key bicycle from the said on, on the forces tactic to have the uh, but i didn't think anyone expects a decisive strategic advantage from either side. and if i could to what to do it
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is just said that most the sole, but putting in this for is the very rudimentary age of less than of hung up. and just this week, the un accredited to come in review committee has been meeting it's report is due any day now saying, well, we will learn from that is what we will know in our house, which is that coming that was a identifying to class. some of 5 months ago will of spread will have intensified, unlikely the desktop will be test collating. nothing from the 10s of thousands put into the hundreds of thousands due to hunger and disease. is daria if we've got a situation which perhaps isn't completely stalemate, but it's not moving that much. that is a recipe for disaster, isn't it in terms of the desktop that just means this goes on and all? absolutely. but the fact that there's not much push to find the end to this war or a push to bring both parties to the table. we'll just, you know,
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extend this more like, you know, further with creeping into the 2 years now coming up in april. and the numbers keep escalating, you know, there's hungering by the most current to there's hunger in several areas of them and the hunger is being the low family. then the food is being used as a weapon by both sides. and that's something that people don't want to admit, nor i could always, but that's what's happening. and the longer this goes on, the worst, the catastrophe it says, as it gets unfolding, you see them colored with assuming now on the, for one of the worst places in the country knew a report by the office of the high commissioner of human rights, 783 civilians have been killed. well, the 1143 injured knowing you and reports. that's probably another count. how bad is it? and docile. i think it's a massive on the account. i mean, we're hearing reports of, you know, hundreds of thousands of people fleeing from duffle from paying for manufacture,
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excuse me, going into them some cap and some of the other toms as well. i will show, could cetera. we're seeing that there are hundreds of thousands, we're leaving from a dispatcher going into the wheeler. another part of the sort i'm know, thoughtful to the south, and the amount of violence we have seen over the past, sort of almost a year. and it shows us that actually the numbers across the board are an under estimation, the number of people suffering from time. and in some, some count are likely to be all set under estimation. that definitely are severe on the accounts of the number of people who are dying. we know that there has been a siege on some of them for the best part of a we know that food stocks, water supplies are being cut off from people. we know that there are be the rates that are happening and some of these kinds. we know that the ours if is providing a pretext for its invasion of exams and by saying that there are on the combatants and then we'll just civilians. okay, let me, let me just talk to our 2nd. samsung is a camp of displaced people. this being that for a very long time. how many people do you think are in that camp?
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and do you think that that, that campaign type the whole of alpha show, which is this camp is about 15, columbus south of l. sasha codes that full. and as a result, what then would be the result of that? well, we're looking at around, over 3000000 people in, in the great the area who've been moving around from one pocket to the other, trying to escape the vitamins. and what we're seeing now is that this low assault caused by the siege minutes of the hours of all the inside grades outside of your area, will likely come to a head around christmas time with ours. if know that the international communities attentions are elsewhere that people are powered down to the, for the christmas holidays. and that is when we expect to see an up to invite us, particularly in samsung cab. and there been enough warning signs and enough sort of a blaring of toxins by rights groups by observe is, but unfortunately, we haven't seen the required attention. farmington asked me to try and get a head or a pre owned or stop some of these attacks. we know that when the r as of takes over
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parts of the full atrocity crimes often fall, that we sorts in, in a janetta we saw as an at the mountain west style for. so this is almost assess and see it's pub plays into the logic of the art stuff that and yet very little engagements of the art. if the human is worried about 700 people dying, it will soon have a lot more of a, a sort of a number of fatalities on his hands. dahlia, i mean those many believe all crimes that are taking place bought the other side to sidney's on forces that are also being accused the will try and so give you an example to get it done for on the 10th of december, when apparently they took a carried out and asked strike in cub copy a, which is which is about a 180 kilometers west about sasha on a market day. so lots of people were there in the center of town and more than a 100 people were killed. we can't just focus on one side, can we? you know, we content. we shouldn't. however, the skimming of bombings area bombings currently not covered up by those. these
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armed forces is it's an atrocity. but the same time what the r a step has done is, has come be up beyond what anyone can even imagine. the violet, the sexual by this is reports that are coming out of a dizzy or for example, and from a from corner to find, you know, of pale and, you know, are just a holistic, same thing. you know, they're, they're not going to, the civically ends to leave their besieging, see, because from leaving from the air is a big control to, to go into other areas. so the violations are committed by both. but if you go to scale that, then what the r a sub has committed to is far worse than what the army has been doing. but if you ask any studies, you know, they will always be pointed to the rest. that's as to what they're doing is just it's dental science or in some cases, especially in regards to that for and then the land war crimes, you know, as politically ethically driven it. no massacres like big in didn't know. and more
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than 15000 people were killed massacred by the artist. that's, that doesn't mean the south is an innocent bystander, but in comparison to our assess, you know, is on a different level. alex, if we focus on the full on the international community is doing nothing. but actually there are mechanisms from the un security council on the full not for the rest of saddam that are in place. that is an alms and bulk of it covers the full put in place years ago and renewed and the sanctions mechanism. why are they not using rece in the un security council? it has been extraordinarily 10 minutes and i couldn't mention a whole raft of all the resolutions mechanisms as resolution 2417 on on concepts and hung up with a belie inches. the un secretary general to act quickly when a conflict is functioning firm in the us,
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it's happening and all for today. none of these are being utilized and it's partly due to wait till the to ship at the united nations is also due to the, the feeble response that we have for can union, which is a shadow of its for myself. and in a couple of months, the african union is going to be electing new leaders of the commission. and we have very much that whoever takes over the file, the african union will become energized and committed and will push through the times all resolutions measures initiatives that could unblock the on pass of the un security council. because if i, for context, so you know, to position it's underlined key that russia or, or any other member, is going to stand in the way of the require meshes such as sending to and rights monitors. sending a peacekeeping forces, sending
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a setting of mechanisms to protect civilians or even getting the united nations monetary and agencies present on the ground, which they have not hung up the moment that you end up to now has been a have really just most i are colored in terms of the un, what was actually a method to get a resolution, the end of november to protect civilians are cool for the protection of to civilians. the specifically mentioned off on the siege of alpha, russia used aids veto, and many who cover that say the behind the scenes, russia did that as a response to the, the authorization to use long range missiles by ukraine into russian territory. as a sudden these, what do you think of that sort of trading, of different files of different complex and the response of russia? i think it's a business to let you know russia would try to block something on the protection of
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civilians and other kinds of things that you know of the security council should be, you know, sort of politics free. but they, you know, the current strategic environment means that unfortunately, sedan like palestine is falling prey to all of these different machinations by international global powers. what i think is also interesting is this not just the, you know, as, as far as everybody was concerned about who was going to abstain. so the, the long written, resolved and in, you claim pay $1.00 parts of it. another version of events that i believe frankly, is that the acting student needs minister of foreign affairs on use if got in touch with the russians. an awesome to veto because he felt that he was not properly consulted by the united kingdom as the pen holder. and as the president of november, now i think this just shows the extent to which the people of sit down are effectively being sacrificed at the altar of many egos. but those of domestic actors like the acting minister of foreign affairs of defacto minister, as well as the sort of international competition between rushing the united states,
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the rest and the west much more broadly. we have to remember here that when it comes to the issue of protection, you know, we must even get from the sci fi. and one of the things that this resolution did, unfortunately, with directv and protection to sci fi, was mostly, if you look at the drop about the compliance mechanism for the jet, the agreement signed some 18 months ago. specifically, looked at not the protection of it is but a ceasefire. we have to dealing best exactly like a humanitarian aid. also pharmacies by aid and protection of living and should not be reliant on a seas for either franky is not coming anytime soon. okay, to find out more about the conflict, it's often worth following the money in is the conflict ranges. this one and people stop. a gold rush is underway. the violence is interrupted operations many minds, but despite production cuts, the precious metals still accounts for 40 percent of saddam's export revenue. even before the conflict began, the rapids support forces control most of the gold sector. now you and
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investigators say department of treat group is using the proceeds from the gold mining to um its fight is a confidential report submitted to the un security council. in november, i found that gold with $860000000.00 that'd be extracted from power military control mines in the for this year. the how much of a role does gold play in this conflict? the fact that the smuggling of gold never stops has to be so. so starting the war is, is very telling, it is the main source of finance for the or assess and it's also a mean. it's a good source for their allies. we utilize, you know, the money from the gold smuggling is where is it bad? like you said, follow the money trail and, you know, and it's not just, it's not just the way this case is also the case of russia. russian has also benefit from the goals smart read that from to that. and as long as there's no sanctions on those who, i mean this is gold has ever been brought up as an issue that needs to be section
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that needs to be, you know, investigated. but is the main source of income for the rest of us? it's a, it's the also is a very rich, very well entrenched entity in sit down in regards to the economy. that's how you know, and the gold is one of their main sources. but you know, it's always has to, it always finds a way to get out of those finds a way for it to be smuggled out. and this is, and nothing has been done about it. and like i said, it's been going on since this since before the war even erupt. it. so it's not something new. and i like, so this is just part sorry, colored go ahead that i can just, uh, do you know there was a recent uh, like very long in new york times article. there really wasn't the details about this. and what it shows very clearly is that it's not just the rep at school forces that are, you know, getting money from the gold trade through the united arab emirates. it's all of a sudden these on schools. and what we have to remember here is that when you have an actual like the u i e,
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which has never wanted democracy. and so that is really sees no problem and, and having financial relationships with the different um doctors that are also not in favor of the democratic transition into that in which case we see here much more complex picture. then what is often said about how the different actors and sit down to the r as f and the students, and he's on fulls of or accessing money internationally. the u. a. e has become a hub, it's become sort of a bank for all the line actors in africa. and the sydney's on pulses is not an exception. what i think we need to look at them is international mechanisms of cub . not just the sort of, you know, the different access that we don't, mike, but likes is that are able to benefit from some of the grey economies and particularly around gold of people's like this going it's what, when you mentioned the, you a showing perhaps this, which we showed at the beginning in our report, which is alexa to i said, that's a, from the white house. and it's about the united arab emirates and the role. and it
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says, the u a is informed the administration. it will not now be transferring any weapons to the r as f. i will not be doing so going forward. alex, what do you make to this? i mean is, is this proof that they were doing it all along and do you trust the assurances from the bite and administration with just a few weeks to go? very confident about this. it. yes, it is in indeed, and isaac assurance, an affirmation that actually the way hasn't been doing this kind of, uh, it said, provision of homes that has been inflaming, but more so i wouldn't take any assurances from the us administration, both the button and administer action on the incoming trumpet administration, which has set nothing on this topic that's fast all the way i would take those with a very strong pinch of salt. we really don't know what this adds up to. and even if
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supplies where to stop financial support may make continue inmate the many, many other way of getting ons to, to the are assessed funding due to the other side to assess the done require direct homes transfers from the way goal from anyone else. i think what this points to is the way that the student needs more has become embedded within the, the geo politics of the financial politics. including the sort of the, the, the st for economies of the middle east pointing to the fact that i think has been very clear to many of us for several years. the, the, the route to a resolution of sit on runs through the power of capital as inevitably help with the re on and, and cairo. and it is in the context of, of the, the, the very tough,
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electrical bogging in the middle east. that will be the prospect off of making progress to resolving the the crisis in sit on. so totally let me ask you about the prospect's with diplomacy. if you look so far, that being very fragmented diplomatic efforts involving the african union, the regional grouping, i got the saudi arabia working with the us meetings arranged by egypt, the cycle troy to the us, the u. k. no way the un with the person landlord. the secretary general, but do you see any, any, anything that is going to get diplomacy working here? you know, i don't have very little hopes of a diplomatic push bringing an end to the source simply because neither side is willing nor once to find the diplomatic. no resolution to this war. i think the only way then there will be some kind of and b as in boy, if one side is victorious, neither side will given, will give up or given to the other. and if that is to happen, then how can these 2 entities end up working together,
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so to speak for so that and so that's not the case. and like they've already been saying, they know there's been talk, there's been reports of the government in exile being for our being proclaimed. and that is just a way for the rest of to seek legitimacy along with this support is within the so that needs political a sphere. so i don't think the public diplomacy has failed because nothing. there's never been a serious push from any side or any actor to bring these 2 sides to the table and to find a resolution to this war. so i don't think diplomatically will promote diplomacy, will do anything at all. that's my opinion anyway, but henry, mystic view of what we're hearing a last minute diplomatic push from the united states and coast that was that security council meeting. they all the current president of the un security council, but is this final dying lame don't days? so the administration sit to little, much, much to like, you know, i think it's exactly about, you know, the us has, you know,
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to give them that use they have what, so i'm trying to example improve the of humanitarian access constraints. they have tried to host high level meetings to bring in the 2 different side, the 2 main belligerent sites to soften the recess. but when you want to have an impact on a conflict, you need to put the leverage on the table. nobody, chiefly, the in the us wants to put that was on the table. you mentioned the letter by the white house official back in the back are responding to send it to them, holland within that. so that's, it was 3 or 4 paragraphs. an entire paragraph was dedicated to the east rolling gauze at robinson each roll. incidentally, that just shows you where the administration's priorities are more importantly, they don't want congress to rock the boat with the u. a. e u e has, is not just a signature to the abraham, a quote, which again was trump sort of main foreign policy. and, you know, sort of gone, but it was
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a chief architects of the abraham because it in many ways it ones that kind of states that the tougher on states as a israel has with washington. and it says, managed to engineer a way in which it will effectively not be held to account. now other countries will also on those kinds of stages in the region. and obviously it's done very, very much far behind. i don't think saddam is anywhere near the top of any kind of international agenda for the united states, even as people working within the administration recognize what the effect of the over still will be and how much of state collapse is down will affect the region. this the hell, the red sea region, the whole of, i forget. so we have this a symmetry of different products as agents within the administration. we don't have a clear a trajectory of what they want to do. and that's what we're not really going to see anything. i don't think trump will have anything more workable alex, very quickly. there is some tool in these final month the, the final month of the by the ministration. but they might designate the situation a genocide very quickly, would that help? and i think it would say would certainly push the top the international agenda. the
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international criminal court still has a mandate and the the prosecutor is investigating. i think what do i think, how of a chiefly be a symbolic act, a gesture, really all dispatch assignments, the bikes and ministration has not succeeded in properly tackling this crisis. it wouldn't be parting shot to say that something truly terrible. it's happening here that we have failed to, to, to redress a totally a reading the situation. but thank you so much for joining us to discuss things on today's inside story. i guess. well, dahlia abdul ammonium, alex deval and kalita kat, remember we bring you the inside story here every day of the year, which is on television, on app or on i, which is or dot com. what should we discuss next time? post your comments and suggestions on facebook page. that's facebook dot com.
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