or inc cushions, it's actually sites in the same tree that fits this incredibly affective. it's a place for them to thrive in the house of the city, but some is no longer completely drowned out by the drone of traffic that's possibly down to people like n e h. one of hundreds of volunteers supporting and ambitious campaign to make new zealand printed it free by 2050 the hills about the capital. one of her target areas. she's seeing results a server as we used to catch 5, right? so we now we lucky enough to catching the maybe one a month and say those numbers have really, really dipped. and from that, we're seeing this that the population's increased for the campaign to succeed, will require the eradication of thousands more rugs stokes possums and weasels

creatures plus brought to new zealand by european unplugged agent settlers. it's a controversial strategy, but one, many conservationists defend. we have seen foods ripped apart by ritz and by starts and fig. smashed by pulse them. humans are doing enough damage. the predators is, is just, you know, same thing out that some spanish has something has to change. yeah. type. it has changed for new zealand, national, but the flight. let's keep a closer off to being re introduced to years ago. the key we is now breeding in these hills for the 1st time in living memory. new zealand responsive, both power dies because they would know land credit is one of those islands that have evolved separately from the rest of the world. and we have actually unique animals here. and most famous levels are key we, it's what we're known is overseas. it's a really critical part of our identity as people he hopes these hills could again become what they once was

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just the fall of the shot. as i said, israel has conducted airstrikes across syria and sees territory in the golan heights, in violation of 50 years. these fire watch nothing gallows in game and series. that conversation is coming up. the 1st, with an hours of aside fling, damascus, a number of european countries announced the suspension of asylum requests from siri. something even calling for the deforestation of refuge. but this theory is safe to return to what protection of the syrians have under international law. the last those questions and the director of human rights watch is refugee and margaret rights division. this week's headliner, bill for the

bill fairly. thank you so much for joining us in upfront. my pleasure of the shuttle, i said, has fled syria marking the end of a 13 year war in the country. so it is out there more than a dozen european countries, including austria, germany, belgium, finland, ireland, in greece, norway. they suspended asylum procedures for syrian migrants. austria is even offering a 1000 euro incentive for margaret to leave and is preparing a deep rotation program. what did these moves mean? what are their significance? what deportation? this is, should be out of the question. i mean, this is way, way too early to talk about forcibly returning anyone to syria. this is a completely unstable situation. it's volatile. you don't know which, you know, what direction things are going. humanitarian needs in the country are off the charts. so there's, you know, we haven't begun any restoration re rehabilitation any, any,

any ability to reintegrate people at this point to suspend the decision making. that's acceptable, but, but to deport any one at this time is completely unacceptable. you expect this, that's the red line. we need to do absolutely be making you expect us to close it, rely you expect the mask, the protections here, and what, what the expectation that we hope not. certainly, i think what you're going to see is this mix of you have people that are spontaneously returning. you have people that want to return that want to voluntarily repatriate and would you know, grab the chance to get a 1000 euros to be able to go home is that's what they want to do anyway, of course. and it is the human right. if any person to return to their country, that's a, that's a basic right even to return to danger. but the fact that one person wants to go back and choose us to go back now shouldn't green light forcing over people back

because other people, every person has different personal circumstances. there's general conditions and nobody knows what's going to happen tomorrow or next week or, or next month. and so most, for the most part, what we're looking at when we talk about voluntary refugee repeat creation is, can you return safely, dignity, are the conditions favorable for return. and you, there's a, there's a concern about safety. i mean mine clearance and um, and the remnants of, of explosive devices that are still there. not to mention just to the destruction that the devastation of the country. what you have to go back to. if you don't have potable water, you don't have electricity. you don't have a roof over your head. um, what are the things that troubles me a bit? is the amount of anti immigrant rhetoric? europe is certainly seen the 3rd and it kind of rhetoric in germany upcoming snap elections in february for example, migration is emerged as

a top issue with some politicians taking a heart stansell refugee a refugee's too involved. i mean, it works. yeah. we've seen that in united states as well, with immigrants. germany is not an outlier, anti immigrant. send them in. rhetoric has been on the rise in italy, belgium netherlands. we could go on, you know, how this shape future policy on a syrian refugees, as well as other migrant across europe. it's a real concern. it's a real concern that you know everything you just said the, the, the right wing in germany is ascendant. there was a vote of no confidence in, in the current government, and they are going to be having snap elections in an election season. as we seen here in the united states where the, the scape coding of immigrants and refugees nullifying them distorting. um, you know, one crime is committed and suddenly everybody is stigmatized and in that population 2015 as well with when when a bunch of series came in. yeah, yeah, exactly,

exactly that sort of thing. so you've got all that sort of stigma, all of that scape coding which politicians are going to western eyes for votes and to scare people into into voting. the fear monitoring is unfortunately something that that goes with the territory. so it's a real concern. it's a real concern, but you're, hopefully there is an understanding of 2 things. one is rule of law and that there are, there are procedures that are there for a reason. there are reasons to take things in a, in a systematic and an objective and deliberate of manner. when people's lives are at stake and you're determining this person going to be killed if you return them or not. you want to be damn sure that you're doing the right thing before you make that, that choice as and, and the other point is really more of

a common humanity. morality question. you know, the one is legal and one is, is moral. and hopefully, voters can put themselves in the shoes of people who are not as fortunate as they are. and hopefully they can look at the devastation in syria. they can look at the conditions that no one would want their children to return. so yeah, and the uncertainty politically as well, you know, just what that returning they mean according to the you and hcr, the united nations hard commission for refugees. a 90 percent of serious population is relying on humanitarian aid for those people who do make the decisions you pointed out, they have a right to make up to return home. how do they navigate that? you know how to a cold. i mean, at the moment is chaos of the moment. um, we don't know, you know, where people are going to be living what their shelter is, what the, what they can do in terms of the basics of food and water. we're not even talking

about education. we're not talking about, you know, governance and all these other questions that are, that are further down the line where they're coming. i mean, the numbers show when the reports are showing, as it is, means a 1000000 people will be returning in early 2025. and i think that's that, i mean, none of us knows for sure. yeah. and the situation can change overnight. basically, i just finished with the political situation there. people got fearful about that, but syrians, i think what this tells us we are seeing, i've been on the phone with our, on our, our own researchers that have been crossing the border between 11 and syria. and they're seeing traffic actually in both directions as it turns out. and i think that's significant. there's some outflow as well, but people are spontaneously returning. and, and that tells us a number of things that many, many series are really going to want to return. and they're going to want to contribute to the, their own reconstruction of their own country to rebuild this country. in many

cases, you know, clearing that rumble themselves and, and, and building their homes back with, with their own 2 hands. but they need the resources to be able to do that. absolutely. i mean there's the issue of resources as issue of displacement as you're talking about. there's the very real danger of, i mean, it's almost like actual minds like yeah, yeah. all that stuff is, is considerable. there's also the question of political persecution. you know, that's the thing that people are facing have faced in syria for a long time. if all these people are returning home and they're facing, and they've always faced political persecution, leasing recent history. what happens now when the major players sort of shift the main players and see right now the control large suassa territory? we can talk about here at toyota. sham each diaz, the national syrian army of syrian democratic forces. they've all been accused of human rights abuses. they've often. yeah, yeah. right. to be sure. yeah, to be sure,

despite the recent reassurance is from those newly in charge that they're going to respect the rights of minorities. could we see more people fleeing syria in fear of persecution? i mean, we are hopeful some of the rhetoric that we've heard from the transitional authorities is as positive and hopeful as well. um, but that we do need to be on the lookout for repression for retaliation. um for um you know, the, the, the, the rights of minorities, the right of your political opposition and, and, and that's taking into account that there should be accountability for people that torture you know, for people of committed crimes. yeah. under the previous regime. um, you know, we're not saying to do otherwise, but you do it in a, in a deliberative and, and orderly manner. and you know, we're,

we're talking about a country that really doesn't have a constitution to speak over needs, you know, needs a whole new governance structure for sure. it's been decades of the assad family regime. i think goes back about 50 years. yeah. yeah. between houses and infrastructure. how confident are you? that minority groups won't be persecuted. i'm thinking specifically the ethnic and religious minorities. well, i mean the, for the, as i mention, i was just on the phone with, with, with the human rights watch, people that run the loved them on syria border. and they were, you know, talking to people that were crossing from syria into lebanon. and who could tell from their accents that they were coming from the talk in the coastal area will probably our white minority people. and that are afraid, you know, frankly. and so that's going to be something that everyone's going to be watching very, very closely. but i think there also has to be the openness of neighbors that,

that, that are feeling exhausted themselves. i mean, we talk about compassion with fatigue, a country like a web, a non, you know, quarter, if it's population's been refugee population. and they've just had, with the, with the is, is really incursions in the south. so this is a country that's, you know, reeling on many different runs. and yet we're saying to 11 on, you need to be patient. you need to be open, you need to continue it to be open to new influx as a refugee's, even as other people are leaving. and there will be people that have been there for a long time that have been in opposition to us on that are still going to need to take a wait and see approach. you know, and i seems to be your opinions of us, you know, if you don't, if, if you're complaining, look of what the, what we're looking at 11 months dealing with, you know, you're the capacity of europeans to, to integrate people to process claims. and to actually take advantage of the

benefits the refugees can provide in, in nursing for example, in shortages and labor shortages in germany were syrians were actually, you know, a well educated many, many people with professional backgrounds that came in 2015, you know, 20162017 that have really contributed to germany, basically in the service areas and in health care. and we shouldn't discount that that, that the refugee is, are not entirely a bird bill for like taking so much enjoyment upfront of pleasure. as the regime of syrian president, the shuttle asset collapsed, following 13 years of civil war, a power vacuum has emerged. one that could reshape the entire region. but while the world was focused on the future leadership of syria, israel has begun an aggressive military campaign into the golan heights and carried on airstrikes across the country. so what does this mean for serious future?

israel's actions ignite, a broader regional conflict. going to meet to discuss this is really journalist and author get in levy. he's latest book is titled the killing of a guy that reports on a catastrophe. i wanna thank you so much for joining me. it's good to see was always, sir, is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. his office has revealed plans to expand israel's control over the goal on hight see, the clear it's we will continue to hold onto it, make it flourish and settle. it is real, has also already forced entire town to evacuate and aims to double the number of settlers that are in the area. several reports also state that israel has expanded its scope beyond google on a further into syria. what's going on here? what's his risk plan? is this plan is to take or put you on it to you of any weakness there? word shows it is always very live up for the short drawn. i'm not sure it's so

clever for the long run because it's always based on me to 3 power. the fact that syria is now shaking instead of will die. well, this done helps to address. instead of trying to offer the same boss for syria may be open again. you chip, there may be opening, can you vision instead of this is right? and these forming syria and told to bind directories from serial from silver in syria. it's for the, for the time being it's, it's a great success because it's no problems rather than days. ready. it takes and you saw the shoulder, then you need the sheep say not think about is where he's going. except of saying that maybe you know is it's enough to buffalo, rob, it's rather depressing because the game is right and he's portraying it says,

is the regional only go with the whole is yours minutes already false in the 1st priority and never shows the other options there are as rarely politicians who openly talked about how israel should extend its borders beyond the current borders into parts of syria, iraq, jordan, saudi arabia, lebanon. this idea of what kind of greater israel has been one that's been talked about increasingly over over recent time. and that's yahoo has now ended the 50 years since bar packed with syria and declared that this quote hasn't happened in the 100 years since the sites pico agreement. referring of course, to the 1916 agreement between britain and france that carved up the middle east. did you believe it was trying to redraw the borders of the middle east, then annex syria, at least in part as part of this vision of greater israel. of news for the video and for those to be even those visions colonialism passed the way long time ago.

and the only remains corranio of this country is right. it is very striking. clemente, i don't see that or your descriptions. i mean is of yours. it's those who express them are serious. nobody believes that it's possible. why don't they include, say, a russia is with russia is also in certain times to the danger for his eyes. so why wouldn't be going to russia is where any 3 i in russia are the why wouldn't we go so try that. i mean, that were so roommates to make. i don't mind. yeah. and the is this, we go to money in any case, these are right. i must remind you. it's only do they show the west bank and gaza. we just small, tiny parts of the big protest i from the bridge issue. and they times only these destroying these right over the year and made it into a per,

i se. so be big. just seeing how do we get rid of those of your patients and not have any dreams for more of the, for the, of your patients. a room, you spend your next to the american press, that would be something or for your which i'm not sure which would be the case in any case, much will depend on donors drop in. i hope that you would be the one to still be sure. you said something recently that struck me. you said that quote, these territorial swipes will be the pre text for another more. what do you mean by that? it's very here is right, and here's a dispute in the nice border of, oh boy, i mean tiny diesel glen. the shop. uh, toms. this was a big issue for friction for news. it wasn't the only reason for roles between these by now and this right? by all means slope, but it draws a very good excuse to,

to kind of thing choose between the 2 countries. so you, it'd be now, i mean this photo and it's in the out on top of the syrian montville which was the arrogant, big troll fellow for, well, for going on guys. nothing guys, but this, this most boss though, once we know before go and time would come and use your answering and come they were saying this is that except that there is at the national know someone has story stick to bearing territories. the board is what is what you can do and the split the country. what do you mean? the major said mexico, just whole going parts of the united states and other small? well, the president states keep silent or would have created more. it might used to be. * so that's the 2nd case here. understood syrian the opposition group. hi, it's actually a that a sham, also known as

h t. s. has been somewhat cautious in their response toward israel aggression at least so far, they've declared that they will not let syria be used as a launch pad for attacks. but that quote, strikes must in an israel have to pull back to it to its previous positions. how do you think israel will ultimately orient itself toward h t. s? no, nobody. you know, well, gaming, they have a very med records and it's very prison. promising presence they have passed is really very appropriate. my thinking i can of the spend the concern in this way, from all kinds of the slow miss, gee, how these organization who take all the all the syria on the other hand, ever since they took the power, that not only very cautiously i was so quite moderate, and in quite surprising, not only about because already about women's rights about many things made needs or

coma flash. once they'd be based in power, everything good gets back to what we used to be. but maybe also they came to the conclusion that the way for prosperity for the better to go through the ways and go through relations with the neighbors. so timely show is read. once is the home cuz it be so flat and that this we know from historically it becomes is where this property and then to evict you a g takes use and many was early on in the syrian civil war. israel's then in bassett, or to the us publicly called for the allister of us side, he stated. but we always wanted to shut it. and i said to go, we always prefer the bad guys weren't back by here. ride to the bad guys were backed by here. right. a claim that nothing. yeah. whose office later denied in 2019 former is really army chief of staff,

a guy the eyes in quote. now is israel provided weapons to syria up syrian opposition groups and carried up thousands of attacks in syria given all of that, was this the outcome, israel, what my guess is that is going to stability and stability of t now was this was by strongly less a teeny, nobody at 4 see these clips and my, my recommendation is obviously that is a mix of or in domestic issues among its labors, emetrius of syria. big thing came over the day. the next payment is service would be it's somehow we accept the piece where it has the right to be side really would be empowering, sir. yeah, i wouldn't be about no, oh, i swear. no, we, so let's move on to this is way is to recognize the, the mean streets,

power that leads to power in general. but also what is, what is power to intervene in other countries. but we look now for months and now is the time to, let's see, we recover it into the field anymore. let them recover. it's a very intelligent thing. it seems as well any diligently listen to me to judge that the record told you to you did talk. you shouldn't refuse norwich the funeral because everyone we, we have is all watching just serial we me to get and then we see another similar more. right now we can say someone indisputably that has butler has been weakened militarily and structurally we also have seen, of course, the collapse of the us and resume in syria. in light of these developments. israel

is really military officials anyway. are discussing this as a kind of strategic opportunity to strike iran's nuclear facilities. there was a times of visual report that stated that the is really air force has increased preparations for these type of potential strikes on iran. do you think that this will actually happen, or is this just a bluff? my guess is as good as yours. i really don't know. for many years, we've been told that these are not doing by itself without the united states. i'm not sure that the united states is ready to get into it and take over your i'm not sure with or for the drug who is speaking about the policy will speaks about getting out from on probably a bunch of kiddos but you know, easily is now quite a bit more than motivated by successes and it seems the test some

kind of more measurable vent don't. it shouldn't be nice and therefore we look some be surprised if we wake up one morning and we hear that these are in here because he's on his way to the guy he might succeed. it might be a catastrophe. yes, yes, cool. x spread sort of the space that's the you cannot stop, you run any more from getting you to weapons only by trade swing by 3 bands built by force because of my force, you can only gives a certain delay. you're very limited. delay had been some kind of postponing game, but that's more than the so let's close our fingers. that is when we do something clear before i change, get in. let me thank you so much for joining us in upfront. thanks so much. all right, that is our show upfront. we'll be back the

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