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still the hello again. 9 james bays, fighting between the sudanese and the power military rapids support forces is escalating north stuff for the regional capital alpha. she a, a seen intense baffles in the past week and there's no rest spice in other parts of the country. both the army and the permanent group denied deliberately attacking civilians. so what would it take to get the 2 generals to negotiating table? and this, the us willing to take the sizes action against the foreign powers feeling the conflict. we'll get to these issues and amendment with our panel of guest, but 1st this report from wilson dies out half a 1000000 people force from their home is by 20 months of conflict in sedan. have sought shelter here. this is sam sam refugee camp in north star for state. you're the regional capital of alpha sheer. their soldiers and paramilitary fighters are

locked in brutal battles for control. the rapids support forces or r s f, has laid siege to the city since may and is holding a line against the army. the violence has killed at least 780 civilians attacks that may amount to work crimes. the un says he's alarming situation cannot continue . the rapid support forces must end this harvest each and the urge full part is to the conflict to stop at techs and civilians and civilian objects. i called on them to comply with their obligations and commitments on the international. l. flasher has seen some of the heaviest fighting and aid workers have been caught in the crossfire. on friday, 3 world food program employees were killed. despite efforts by the u. n. and other humanitarian organizations, medicine and food are in short supply. oscar la, done. there was a lot of hardship and suffering in this place. one of the things people here eating

is on, by the way stuff, dave off to pressing the oil from p not shells. which is the type of animal feed for the off to the extracts the oil. we take the on bass services. back this week, the us announced another $200000000.00 in humanitarian assistance and repeated international calls for a cease fire of crimes against humanity in an address to the un security council. secretary of state antony blinking. or is what he called for, and sponsors to stop sending drones and missiles to, to them outside actors are arming and supporting both parties turning and internal power struggle into a conflict with global dimensions. in short, a failure to act in sudan threatens the peace and security that this council is charged with. preserving the us as investigating whether the united arab emirates is supplying american made weapons to the are assess us special envoy to the middle east and north africa. breton mccook,

told the senate that the u. a has made assurances. it isn't arming the or assess and will not do so going forward. the findings of the investigation are due to be released 3 days before president elect. donald trump takes office in january. during his previous term, trump had a more comfortable relationship with the u. a than biden has had, and it will be up to him to put the reports, recommendations into action. wilson does ard elda 0 for inside story. the. let's discuss all this now with our panel of guests today. joining us from colorado is w. abdul monium, a sudanese, political analyst, and commentator in boston, massachusetts, alex deval, the executive director of the world peace foundation. he specializes in peace building in saddam and in london colored cat, the founding director of cum fluids advisory. a think tank formerly based in call to thank you very much for joining us all on today's program colored. if i can

start with you, it's rage. this will, for only for over 20 months. of the horrendous human toe is still growing. it did not, nothing is improving its looking really, really grim is. is that your assessment? yes. and it's quite understandable, given the circumstances and nothing is improving. we haven't seen any real alacrity by that. you know, international powers to improve the situation incident and they've been count as meeting counts as mediation for an account to see meetings of the un security council that will come to note. and that's because while it's so that has been gaining attention over the past 20 months and then policy cycles and immediate houses, that just hasn't been any concrete action. but the international act does it have to commit to. and that's and sends a very clear signal to the bit of drug policies. and so done that actually the into documents he isn't interested in. and seriously seeking the resolution. as of what we've had of the preparation of the conference, we've had more fossil fuel pump lines um,

over the past 20 months. and initially was we've had an arms race over the summer, which has seen more sophisticated and just larger volume of weaponry coming through . and, and all of this civilians have boned the front of the violence alex, let's have a look at the states over the battlefield. right now we look at a map here and you can see this vast country is not plainly sliced into 2, there are 2 areas and then the into 20 tentacles that stretched out across across the map. what's your view of the, of, of who's got the off behind it seems perhaps the sued, named sydney's forces will be making more gains in recent months. certainly i think it's, it's the case that in, on separate of the key bicycle from the said on, on forces tactic to have the uh, but i didn't think anyone expects a decisive strategic advantage from either side. and if i clicked on to what sort

of it is just said the most useful. but putting in this for is the very rudimentary age old less than of hung up. and just this week, the un accredited to coming to review committee has been meeting it's report is due any day. now, sam, what we will learn from that is what we will know in our house, which is that coming that was a identifying to class some of 5 months ago will of spread will have intensified, unlikely the desktop will be test collating. nothing from the 10s of thousands put into the hundreds of thousands due to hunger and disease. daria if we've got a situation which perhaps isn't completely stalemate, but it's not moving that much. that is a recipe for disaster, isn't it in terms of the desktop, that just means this goes on and all. absolutely. but the fact that there's not much push to find the end to this war or a push to bring both parties to the table. we'll just, you know,

extend this one low, you know, further were creeping into the 2 years now coming up in april. and the numbers keep escalating, you know, there's hungering by the most current to there's hunger in several areas is to them and the hunger is being the adult family. then the food is being used as a weapon by both sides. and that's something that people don't want to admit, nor i was always bless what's happening. and the longer this goes on the worst, the catastrophe it says that's unfolding you to them. colored with assuming now on the for one of the worst places in the country knew a report by the office of the high commissioner of human rights, 783 siblings have been killed. more than 1143 injured knowing you and reports that's probably on the count. how bad is it and duffel? i think it's a massive on the account. i mean, we're hearing reports of, you know, hundreds of thousands of people fleeing from the full, from being from manufacture,

excuse me, going into them some cap and some of the other terms as well. i'm sure, could cetera. we're seeing that there are hundreds of thousands we're leaving from especially going into the wheeler, another part of the sort of no thoughtful to the south, and the amount of violence we have seen over the past, sort of almost a year. and it shows us that actually the numbers across the board are an under estimation, the number of people suffering from famine. and some, some count are likely to be all set under estimation. that definitely are severe on the accounts for the number of people who are dying. we know that there has been a siege on some of them. so that's a part of a we know that food stocks, water supplies are being cut off from people. we know that there are be the rates that are happening and some of these kinds we know that the ours have has provided a pretext for its invasion of exams. and by saying that there are on the combatants and then we'll just civilians. okay, let me, let me just talk to our 2nd. samsung is a camp of displaced people. this being that for

a very long time. how many people do you think are in that camp? and do you think that that, that campaign type the whole of our fashion, which is this campus about 15 columbus south about sasha codes that full. and as a result, what then would be the result of that? well, we're looking at around, over 3000000 people in the great to area who have been moving around from one pocket to the other, trying to escape the vitamins. and what we're seeing now is that this low a sold caused by the besieged minutes of the are so all of the, in fact, great to assess your area, will likely come to a head around christmas time or the, our stuff know that the international community, the tensions are elsewhere that people are powered down to the for the christmas holidays. and that is when we expect to see an uptick. invite us, particularly in samsung camp. and there been enough warning signs and enough so to be the blaring of taxes by rights groups, by observers. but unfortunately, we haven't seen the required attention funding to ask me to try and get ahead of or

pre owned or stop some of these attacks. we know that when the r as of takes over parts of the full atrocity crimes often fall, that we sorting in a janetta, we saw as an at the mountain west style for. so this is almost a certainty. it's a couple days into the logic of the art stuff that and yet very little engagements of the art. if the un is worried about 700 people dying, it will soon have a lot more of a, a sort of a number of fatalities on his hands. dalia. i mean, those many believe all crimes that are taking place bought the other side to sydney's armed forces. they're also being accused of will trying to give you an example to get it done for on the 10th of december, when apparently they took a carried out and asked strike in cub copy. uh which is which is about a 180 kilometers west about sasha on a market day. so lots of people were there in the center of town and more than a 100 people were killed. we can't just focus on one side. come, we, you know, we content, we shouldn't. however, the discriminant bombings area,

balmy's code you know, carried out by those, these armed forces is it's an atrocity. but the same time what the r a suff has done is go, has going to be up beyond what anyone can even imagine. the violet, the sexual vibrations, reports that are coming out of a dizzy or for example, and from a from corner to find it or pale, incomplete. know, are just a holistic same thing. you know, they're, they're not allowing citizens civilians to leave their besieging. see, because from leaving from the areas of their control to, to go into other areas. so the violations are committed by both. but if you go to scale it, then what's the r a sub has committed? it is far worse than what the army has been doing, but if you ask any studies, you know, they will always be pointed to the right steps as to what they're doing is just it's dental side of them in some cases, especially in regards to that for and of july and war crimes, you know, as politically ethically driven it, no massacres like big indeed. and

a little more than 15000 people were killed massacred by the r ss. that doesn't mean the south is an innocent bystander. but in comparison to our assess, you know, is on a different level, alex, if we focus on the full, the international community is doing nothing. but actually there are mechanisms from the un security council on the full, not for the rest of saddam that are in place. that is an alms in bar codes that covers the full put in place years ago and renewed and the sanctions mechanism. why are they not using rees in the un security council has been extraordinarily timmons and i couldn't mention a whole raft of all the resolutions mechanisms as revolution 247 to you know, on, on the concepts and come and get that a belie inches. the un secretary general to act swiftly when

a conflict is functioning firm in the us is happening and all for today, none of these are being utilized and it's partly due to retrieve, it should put the united nations is also due to the, the feeble response that we have for can union, which is a shadow of its for myself. and in a couple of months via for can union is going to be electing new leaders of the commission. and we have very much that whoever takes over the file, the african union will become energized and committed and will push through the times all resolutions measures initiatives that could unblock the own pass of the un security council. because if i for could take so you know, into position, it's underlined k that russia or, or any other member, is going to stand in the way all the required and measures such as sending human rights monitors, sending a peacekeeping forces,

sending us setting up mechanisms to protect civilians or even getting the united nations monetary and agencies present on the ground which they have not come at the moment the us up to now has been a really just most have a colored in terms of the un. what was actually a method to get a resolution the end of november, to protect civilians or cool for the protection of to civilians. the specifically mentioned off on the siege of alpha shift. russia used aids veto, and many who cover that say the behind the scenes, russia did that as a response to the, the authorization to use long range missiles by ukraine into russian territory. as a sudden these, what do you think of that sort of trading of different files of different complex and the response of russia? i think it's a business that, you know, russell would try to block something on the protection of civilians and other kinds

of things that you know of the security council should be, you know, sort of politics free. but they, because, you know, the current strategic environment means that unfortunately, things to them like palestine is full and pray to all of these different destinations by international global powers. what i think is also interesting is this not just the, you know, as far as everybody was concerned about, it was going to abstain. so the, the longer involved in, in new claim pay $1.00 parts of it. another version of events that i believe frankly, is that the acting student needs minister of foreign affairs on use if got in touch with the russians. an awesome to veto because he felt that he was not properly consulted by the united kingdom as the pen holder. and as the president of november, now i think this just shows the extent to which the people of sit down are effectively being sacrificed at the altar of many egos. but those of domestic actors like the acting minister of foreign affairs of defacto minister, as well as the sort of international competition between rushing the united states,

the rest and the west much more broadly. we have to remember here that when it comes to the issue of protection, you know, we must deal and get from the sci fi. and one of the things that this resolution did, unfortunately with directing protection to sci fi was mostly. if you look at the drop about the compliance mechanism for the agenda agreement, signed some 18 months ago, specifically looked at not the protection of it is but a ceasefire. we have to be link that's exactly like a humanitarian aid. also, pharmacies by aid and protection of living and should not be reliant on a seas for either franky is not coming anytime soon. okay, to find out more about the conflict. it's often was following the money in is the conflict ranges. this one and people stop a gold rush is underway. the violence is interrupted operations many minds, but despite production cuts, the precious metals still accounts for 40 percent of saddam's export avenue. even before the conflict began, the rapids support forces control most of the gold sector. now you investigate to

say department, the group is using the proceeds from the gold mining to um its fight is a confidential report submitted to the un security council. in november, i found that gold with $860000000.00 have been extracted from power military control mines in the for this year w. how much of a role does gold play in this conflict? the fact that the smuggling of gold never stops the subject since the start of the war is, is very telling. it is the main source of finance for the art of sets. and it's also a mean, it's a good source for their allies. we utilize, you know, the money from the gold smuggling is where is it bad, like you said to follow the money trail. and, you know, and it's not just the surface, the you in this case is also the case of russia. arrested has also benefits and the goals might bring us from to that. and as long as there's no sanctions on those who, i mean this is

a goal has never been brought up as an issue that needs to be section that needs to be, you know, investigated, but is the main source of income for the rest of us. it's a, it's the also is a very rich, very well entrenched entity in savannah in regards to the economy. that's how you know, and the gold is one of their main sources. but you know, it's always has to, it always finds a way to get out. it goes, finds a way for it to be smuggled out. and this is, and nothing has been done about it. and like i said, it's been going on since this since before the war even interrupted. so it's not something you to alex, this is just part sorry, colored go ahead. i can just do that. that was a recent, very long in new york times article that really went into details about this. and what it shows very clearly is that it's not just that rapid school forces that are, you know, getting money from the gold trade through the united arab emirates. it's all of a sudden these on schools. and what we have to remember here is that when you have an actual like the u i e,

which has never wanted democracy. and so that is really sees no problem and, and having financial relationships with the different um doctors that are also not in favor of the democratic transition into that in which case we see him much more complex picture then what is often said about how the different actors and sit down to the r as f and the students, and he's on fulls of or accessing money internationally. the u. e. had this become a hub, it's become sort of a bank for all the malign actors in africa. and the sydney's on schools is not an exception. what i think we need to look at them is international mechanisms of cub . not just the sort of, you know, the different access that we don't like. but lots of that are able to benefit from some of the grey economies and particularly around gold of people's like this going it's what, when you mentioned that you a showing perhaps this, which we showed at the beginning in our report, which is alexa to i said that's a from the white house,

and it's about the united arab emirates and the role. and it says the u a as informed the administration. it will not now be transferring any weapons to the r s f and will not be doing so, going forward. alex, what do you make to this? i mean, is, is this proof that they were doing it all along and do you trust the assurances from the bite and administration with just a few weeks to go that confidence about this? it? yes, it is in indeed, and isaac assurance, an affirmation that actually the way hasn't been doing this kind of a bit of the set top preparation of items that has been inflaming. but more so i wouldn't take any assurances from the us administration, both the button and administer action on the incoming trumpet administration, which has said nothing on this topic that's fast all the way i would take those with a very strong pinch of salt. we really don't know what this adds up to,

and even if and supplies where to stop financial support may make continue inmate the many, many other way of guessing ons to, to the are assess funding due to the other side to assess the done for quite a direct homes transfers from the way goal from anyone else. i think what this points to is the way that the student needs more has become embedded within the, the geo politics of the financial politics. including the sort of the, the, the, the st for economies of the middle east pointing to the fact that i think has been very clear to many of us for several years. the, the, the route to a resolution of sit on runs through the power of capital is enough to be how would it be re on and, and cairo. and it is in the context of, of the,

the very tough political bog and in the middle east, that will be the prospect off of making progress to resolving the, the crisis in sit on. so totally let me ask you about the prospects with diplomacy . if you look so far, that being very fragmented diplomatic efforts involving the african union, the regional grouping, i got of a saudi arabia working with the us meetings arranged by egypt, the circle troy to the us, the u. k. know why the un with a person landlord, the secretary general, but do you see any, any, anything that is going to get diplomacy working here? you know, i don't have very little hopes of the diplomatic push bringing an end to the source simply because neither side is willing nor once to find the diplomatic, you know, resolution to this war. i think the only way that they will be some kind of and b, as in boy, if one site is victorious, not aside will given, will give up or given to the other. and if that is to happen, then how can these 2 entities end up working together,

so to speak for so that and so that's not the case. and like they've already been saying, they know there's been talk, there's been reports of the government in exile being for our being proclaimed. and that is just a way for the rest of to seek legitimacy along with his support is within this of the needs political sphere. so i don't think that the public diplomacy has failed because nothing is ever been serious. push from any side or any actor to bring these 2 sides of the table in to find a resolution to this war. so i don't think diplomatically will promote diplomacy, will do anything at all. that's my opinion anyway, but henry, mystic view, hold of it. we're hearing a last minute diplomatic push from the united states and coast. that was that security council meeting. they all the current president of the un security council, but is this final dying lame don't days? so the administration sit to little, much, much too late, you know, i think it's exactly about, you know, the us has, you know,

to give them that use they have what, so i'm trying to example improve the of humanitarian access constraints. they have tried to host high level meetings to bring in the 2 different side, the 2 main belligerent sites to soften the are assessed. but when you want to have an impact on a conflict, you need to put the leverage on the table. nobody cheesy the in the us wants to put that was on the table. you mentioned the letter by the white house, the visual breath. my god, i'm responding to send it to them. holland, within that. so that's it was 3 or 4 paragraphs. and entire paragraph was dedicated to the east rolling gauze at robinson. you, it is role. incidentally, that just shows you where the administration's priorities are more importantly, they don't want congress to rock the boat with the u. a. e u e has, is not just a signature to the abraham a quote, which again was trump sort of main um, foreign policy. um, you know, sort of gamut. it was

a chief architects of the abraham because it in many ways it ones that kind of states that the tough law on states as a israel has with washington. and it says, managed to engineer a way in which it will effectively not be held to account. now other countries will also on the kinds of stages in the region. and obviously it's done very, very much, far behind. i don't think so down is anywhere near the top of any kind of international agenda for the united states, even as people wasn't within the administration, recognize what the effect of the over so will be at how much the state collapse is down will affect the region this the hell, the red sea region, the whole of, i forget. so we have this a symmetry of different products as agents within the administration, we don't have a clear trajectory of what they want to do and that's what we're not really going to see anything. i don't think trump will have anything more workable. i like, sorry, quickly there is some tool in these final months the, the final month of the by the ministration that they might designate the situation a genocide very quickly would that help. and i think it would say would certainly

push the top the international agenda. the international criminal court still has a mandate and the the prosecutor is investigating. i think what do i think, however, chiefly, be a symbolic act, a gesture, really all dispatch assignments. the bikes and ministration has not succeeded in properly tackling this crisis. it wouldn't be a parting shot to say that something truly terrible. it's happening here that we have failed to, to, to redress a totally a reading the situation. but thank you so much for joining us to discuss things on today's inside story, i guess. well, dahlia abdul ammonium alex deval. and colleen can remember, we bring you the inside story here every day of the year, which is on television, on apple, and alex's or dot com. what should we discuss next time post your comments and suggestions on facebook page. that's facebook dot com,

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