and is often intertwined. for generations. did you, meghan family has left the country is very nice. christians, through that picture, civil war, political maneuvering and killed. oh, just the real world tells the story of the rise power and into ins. living owns political families. the jamalia is doing this to you are now to 0. the suspension them back to bug christmas market attack is a self described society. this of this journal, sorry to say he supports a right wing policy. could police have done more to prevent the remedies? and where does this leave a country divided by immigration and the rising popularity? the file right? this is inside store the

hello and welcome to the program of the bulk of german police of charge. the man accused of running a car to crowds at the christmas market, with several counts of murder and attempted murder minutes to say the 50 year old. saudi psychiatry ist who's lived in germany for 18 years. is this summer phobic and shawn slow enough show says he wouldn't let people who try to spread hatred get away with it. but the anti immigrant fall ride alternative for germany policy is made gains and opinion polls ahead of february snap election. and just that he's off the full if he gets started regime the government in berlin froze, saw the modifications for syrians as pressure bounce on politicians will fridays, con is coupled with the simmering route over migrants in your divide gemini, even further when we get to these issues, so i guess the 1st the support by wilson dies on christmas. markets are held once a year, offering warrenton, fellowship is shadows, length and in temperatures drop. but this year in magda berg, germany,

a nightmare on folders, a man driving an s u. v plowed into the crowds, you couldn't so i'm guessing at this stage we can only say with certainty that the perpetrator was obviously is i'm a photo, but we can already confirm that everything else is subject to further investigation . authorities say he's a 50 year old doctor from saudi arabia who's been in germany since 2006. his motive is unclear, but online posts so attributed to him, suggest sympathy for europe's far right parties. at other markets, across the country, more police officers were deployed and citizens express frustration to quote name do you own that one? you said the beans and mag to boot camp prompted to police in lower franconia to review the security. i'm anxious to get there with local authorities and christmas mortgage organizers, and the piece presence was supposed to be increased off to the magnetic incident report position, which also we shouldn't do allow us selves to be restricted. because if we did the will of the other person would basically prevail. and we don't want that. we want

to get on with our lives and leave out culture. the way we want to friday is a tech. it goes a fatal one carried out by it and using the asylum seeker in berlin. in 2016, a similar backlash this time, and taught immigration groups gathering. magda berg on saturday, calling for the for civil expulsion of foreigners from germany. elsewhere in the city, mourners laid flowers and lit candles in memory of the victims with politics, no answer don't. degrees wilson dies ard elda 0 for inside story. okay, well, let's bring in a guess from god's book in germany, where joined by, or rick brook. now a professor of political science at stanford university in berlin in salt lake city, utah is rachel rizzo, a non resident senior fellow at the atlantic councils,

europe center. and it is mohammed cash f, a political advisor consultant at the migrant solidarity network. if i will welcome to all 3 of you, welcome to inside story for rick. i wonder if i can start with you because i have been at least 7 attacks on christmas markets in recent years, full in germany, 3 in front, all apparently, i look ideologically motivated, but there's something very different to about this one. the suspects opinion gemini, for some time, he was a school professional adopter. he was in to radicalize used as we've seen in previous attacks. he was deeply slumber phobic despite coming from american country, and was an apparent supporter of far right. immigration policies. i mean, over what does that mean for jimmy's perception of this attack? but 1st of all, it means that it's easy to simply find, but humans are much more complex. and we find people with a profile like this. and if they don't fit into patterns,

that's counterterrorism. understands easily need to kind of happen that people don't find warnings as dangerous as in cases in which everything looks like a perfect match. there's. there's someone who wants to attack a christian community and they have for the authorities have to react. and this case, things look much more complicated and they have, for him, it happened. what happened? how about how many are we all referring to? the suspect is that tyler a while the investigation remains the volume of show active, i mean, this individual may also have suffered from mental health issues. i think it's very important to distress that you are normally based in germany. i wonder, given you'll understanding of how fever all the debates about race and religion is in germany, where the mental health would even be taken into consideration right now mom. it, it actually is this attack once happened the last days in distrust of season,

and what increased the is in a call back on also the slumber for baghdad. the rate the increase in rates in and in germany for the last few months, ever since the war and gods in many ways. and we see a lot of the can also hit to speech. again, as the outline there's like going into the foreigners is not necessary refugees or even coming from most of their backgrounds or like most of them countries, but the foreigners in general. and also witnessed the increase of the right wing supporters and it's kind of sending out to see that that decker on the christmas market. and he's coming from a most lim, country and with some background. but at the same time use and key muslim is a far right, is a poster. and this is like really and when. ready he the fear

more than that again, is the highlands and was all the changes happening in the country for the last few months. now, there are also a sofa outstanding questions as to how the attack could managed to get close to the marketplace. those, i'm sure will be onto this the investigation continues. one suggestion is that the, you may have used a roots that had been designated for emergency teams, but, but rachel, the new voice as news agency, is quite say, a name. saudi souls suggesting saudi arabia had warmed the german. no thoughts about the suspect as far back as 2023. and also earlier this year saying that he was a wanted fugitive. do we know for certain rates or whether this information had being ignored, shelved? what do we understand have been done with it? well, i was reading the same articles that you probably have been reading and it does seem that the german authorities were given information about this man. warnings

about this man by the source of the government on 2 different occasions. looks like 20072008. and it's not that they were ignored. i think that the german authorities were perhaps worried about what an extradition back to saudi arabia might mean for his security. i've also looked at reports that said, members of his own community with in germany also offered warnings to the german authorities that were ignored as well. so i think that if there's one community that needs to take a close look at itself about how it responds to these kinds of things, it is the german police, the german police force and various other security forces that handle these types of issues. because it seems like, had they paid closer attention to this, this crisis, this attack, which killed so many and injured so many could perhaps have been avoided or re, cuz as rachel suggested was the juvenile authorities being perhaps

a little bit too circumspect to careful about the kind of evidence being offered by saudi arabia given, given his legacy. well, 1st of all, i disagree with what moment she has said that this immediately will increase his level for the i. she is the most exclusive and time mostly active is actually got the floor of many quality media. and not only that goes 10 thousands of song, it was for like his aggressive stands against as well. but i read an article, a long interview and the quantity paper funds, what i do mind it's item that he gave before call it. and that sounded like someone who dedicates his lives to help women need need to supports x paths from saudi arabia. and he praises germany as an open society with freedom rights and everything that the german authorities to receive

a warning from saudi. ready may be able to draw that take into consideration as his life is at risk if he will be sent back to saudi arabia because they have all the reasons to spread doubts about the political opinions of someone who are so critical about saudi arabia, mom and what was extraordinary, is sitting in the early hours off the news of this a, a time bro, coming the parent of mario and see a slight meg. so i'm a phobia all over social media that was vast volumes of them. and when the presumption, of course, was that this attack of being carried out, i'm listening. how do you think this attacked? would it be perceived? had it been carried out by a similar figure? so for instance, on those rave, it could be who killed a large number of people in a, in no way because the person full basically was a white supremacist. how would this would be perceived if things something different about it? so just to be clarifying this,

i'm not saying own the because this then so then and then and not every one where read the background that the, since it's only enough for the stereotype that this person came from. so the a review already mostly on our ups are and really a and if you're all the time and dealing with this kind of good to read minutes because the are most plans, as mentioned, not only because of the last few months, but also because of the heat of the genocide going on in god, and then there's the bones and the personality of the police that we owe see and, and, and how the german government to resist. and this is alice, dean and rights movement. this also a reason the heat in the country and make it the right way using that and their politics and also in their speeches. and we see that, but it's capped price is already in germany. all this environment are pushing more

game is the most names or ups in the country. it was all this is inappropriate and is level and for that approach and we, we went in is that for the last year in many states in germany, german people are thinking outside of the house like 0 is a song. and this is a precious song. and cold and for kicking out the foreigners and the pointing people back to their homeland, for sure as a human rights advocate. and there's the big theater of the product and at that tech care from germany to so the i read the was his background. and then at old the advocacy that he was doing and all the media campaign he was running like this shift of his approach or to his i told you also it makes us a to question and to ask, why this guy, richard?

this living the original the original and haven't got a point that has a name because also according to the german tabloid, to build protest as wilks, we might to bug off to the attack shouting, anyone who doesn't love germany, should leave germany migration kills. and we must take back all cities of villages and a homeland according to those reports. i mean, how does the german government, in your opinion limit the full out of something like this, especially given oh, life shot seems to be plummeting and support in the polls. i had to be like to know the next year. yeah, i mean look, there's a few things at play here. one thing that i find really fascinating is that this attack took place just hours after the richest man in the world. the one musk had tweeted to his hundreds of millions of twitter followers that only the f d can save germany. okay, so this isn't just an issue with german support for far right movements. this is

something that's happening in the united states. it's something that's happening in france, austria, italy, and so it is going to be something to watch in terms of how the german government does handle the fall out from this. because certainly, even if this man was, and he muslim a convert to christianity, perhaps it, his profile is still one of a saudi immigrants to germany. and so that is going to fuel the rhetoric, or at least i believe that it will fuel the rhetoric for the far right. i think the real question is how do parties like the greens, the free democrats, the f t p, the s p d? how did they respond to this to limit the fall out? and i think that's something that has yet to be seen, but certainly allow schultz ahead of the election has a lot of pressure on him as to various other candidates, especially a cd you chance or candidate to predict mass. oh, thanks a lot, right,

so and overcome rachel has very clearly suggested that a little bit doesn't seem to match what the, the views of the suspects that would be the suspect to have said before coming up this attack. because at the end of the day, he was simply a foreigner, an arab, and a full asylum seeker. and that's what most people seem to care about, particularly those who are drawing towards the far right to in gemini, i, or make the i p is made significant gains, hasn't it? in europe and elections and, and regional uh, level elections as well as the, the 1st fall right party to in the german states since the nazis in the ring here. but here we have a saw, a suspect, who appears to have a sensually sympathize with the goals, how to the after you navigate that, and then it is difficult for them. and they immediately check if she maybe is even a member of the party, which isn't as simple as he's from saudi arabia and therefore it fuels and time

muslim sentiments in the country. apparently he isn't, but they did not actively instrumental lies him to continue with a narrative off. germany has to signtechs, who are you hands or whatever else they are coming up with as a strategy to win more support them in the previous selections. we have to put things more in context, i believe. because even if we now see a rise off, say no phobia and anti muslim and also the country so many takes time to make and german pop take these courses. germany is a different kind of for you that it was 20 years or 40 years ago. we are far more diverse, we have samo open and total range. the composition of the society is much more one with people with migration background. this is a longer trend in which people who have a much more conservative understanding of what the german culture is. like for

a long time, but it is only 7 years or 8 or 9 years ago when makeover was blamed for being that you may need terry unmotivated, the person who assisted people in need and made the jeremy need the country that's took the most craft of cheese not only from syria, but also from of gone, is don at more reason to you from the ukraine. so base is also a germany in which dependent only is now is leaning more towards the right. but it came a very long way to stand for the values and principles of by western talk. democracy mohammed some as well. ricks highlighted clarity and clinical era policies. a very much it in the spotlight of the moment, particularly as the entire immigration asylum seeker debate as being turbo charged to had of elections that i mean tough of measure, as i understand, were announced in august following a knife attack, allegedly carried out by sue and asylum seeker, is it your view?

oh, certainly, how many bits jimmy's traditional sense of ground is inevitably having to stay take big steps to the right to preserve support as so as mentioned, like i really do many don't the good steps towards the welcome in refugee and people fleeing war. but also it was that kind of political action for america, and it was a win win game because we know that germany is a kind of an old country needs at human resources. it needs work or the economy, the german economy need that this people as so demographically, at germany. yes, is a changing, as there is a diversity. but at the same time, we cannot deny and like our eyes from the rays of the right wings and in the run of the election like we will see like

a now or we are witness and an early election. and it was the raise of, if the for sure, if they will use out to suction incidence and use more populist exp, beaches and to gain more support in this times. and there's a way to make sure and to keep it far as the relation was that decor uh and make the boat christmas market that i sweet. all right, well that's what was the discussion and provide some context for our view as an listeners. all of this comes at the time when germany has said it will pause, city and asylum applications, which are many, was the only european nation to suspend the side of application from syrians off the charlotte side was ousted, austria, belgium, greece, easily sweden, denmark, and the u. k and then similar plans us but as germany, the hosp, the largest student community in europe is home to old. most a 1000000 suing refugees. the fries will, the facts may be $48000.00 applications already in the system. the government has

not announced any plans to the port syrians view, and refugee agency says about 1000000 soon. refugees are expected to return home in the 1st 6 months of next year. it's urging countries to avoid forest returns to rachel, turning to you, how do you interpret the introduction of policies like that so close to a very contentious election? well, i think the numbers of people that are returning to syria on their own volition just shows that you know, a lot of refugees. they don't want to be refugees. they want to live in their home country. and so i think that germany and other european countries, what they can do now is support the refugees, the refugee communities, rather than try to send them back or, or limit the people that can seek asylum. i think syria is a very delicate case right now. we don't know how this is going to turn out after the fall, the fall and pressure on the outside just

a couple of weeks ago. i think it's probably too soon to tell. and i think it's also a little bit too soon to tell how in germany and other countries are going to deal with these issues in upcoming elections. and certainly, immigration is at the top of the mind, not just for far right. parties like the sd, but also center right. parties like the cd you like the f t p, maybe parties on the left like the greens and the and the s p d trying to figure out how not to solve pray to far. right. right, right. i think our work is totally right and then germany has changed over the last 15 or 20 years. it's a much more diverse country in germany as welcome to that many parties from the left to the right. have welcome that. and i think it's important for parties not to fall prey to that sort of rhetoric that pushes them to the right and falls into the trap of lumping all immigrants in one pile. and i think that's something that

parties are gonna have to really try to avoid a rig too. do you agree with that? do you think that this policy of posing asylum applications right now will, will, or will not have any impact on how people vote some of what's coming into of what understands the tactical position of the most part is that they are very careful give them the occurrence moved in the society, do we have to distinguish between what is migration policies and what is a you might need, terry, and commitment to international treaties. to help, can you probably need know, economy needs traumatized, tortured oppress people from where have a part of the world. but if you live up to you, you might need terry and commitment, and you help them maybe in the 2nd or in the search generation. this helps you to deal with your democratic problems, but we have elections in 2 months. so if people in the strategic headquarters off

the parties believe that they should send a symbolic signal to voters who are simply afraid off what's coming up next. and that's understandable. but you, we met elections in germany in the same talk. 80 percent of the people are still committed as to what an open society means. and then we have extra minutes on both sides of the political spectrum. and they will try to use people's fears to create a wave that allows them to serve into a better political position. you also have very, very powerful figures, so outside germany as well, the country may have change, but so also have the potential powers to influence the direction that germany takes . mohammad. rachel raised the point earlier in the program about the, the impacts of a little mosque on all of this to who is rachel mentioned, the publicly endorsed the a f d saying that they were germany's only hope, but he's now demanding old off show. so resigns over the handling of this incident to a mazda back how vulnerable my,

how many do you think germany and germans are too powerful tech billy? and as would vice strong opinions who are very keen to shake the direction of european politics. and so to answer this question we, we, we need to actually and also to be uh, kind of free or less big. the coming election uh is not, is not easy. and unfortunately, uh i like to, but germany got ahead uh many times in the last 2 years was that go with and then the brain or, and the ongoing war and also that into know the different problems. and not only was the refugee but also economically and germany is suffering at how much it's valuable to. to go through this. actually, i would say that as, as the 40, not as the and migrant in germany,

most of the migraines and not only the refugee but the migrant, the foreigners in germany, a kind of observe and, and the following. and that are in situations with fears and doubts that is equal to survive. and to be honest, also a people is, do you remember miracles a day, then the american government and how the cancer was a stable and the people liked really in and up in a panic of what was happening in the next few months to the last couple of minutes, so we have rachel lost where it goes to you in terms of shaping a german perceptions and the way that it's healthy for the country as a whole in terms of us immigration policy. and also is about how much said, making sure that people simply aren't feel afraid of people from a, an immigrant background. i mean, what is the responsibility lie here?

is it with the government? what was it with the free speech? absolutely. as to a spreading all sorts of information online. well, i mean the free speech to absolute as to are spreading anything online certainly aren't going to feel a sense of i think, responsibility to tell the whole truth. i think they feel the responsibility to shape the narrative in a way that furthers their own policy policy ideas that often go against the center left and center, right, are often times extremist. i mean, look, we've had this issue in the united states to the southern border. the rush of immigrants on the southern border as the republicans have called, it turned a lot of people in the united states into one issue, voters. and i think in germany they have the same issue where it really is like the onus is on the government to push back against this rhetoric that has been spread by a lot of people who have these major platforms. and so i do think this is going to

be difficult over the next couple of months, but let's hope that parties that are in the center console. okay. we do the challenging times ahead. it seems as we head towards the on important elections and show me pleasure to have all 3 if you want inside story mohammed, i'll catch you. rachel was a little rick brooks. now many thanks. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again. any time by visiting our website, i'll just do a dot com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story. you can also join the conversation on the x handle is at a inside story. for me, the falkland whole team here. bye for now. the a danny to what can be a challenge on it. but for some peruvian villages, traversing one of the world's most dangerous way is a risk that comes with

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