you know, the fleeting ship signals is ready to leave it carefully choreographed pups. you control by both the port authorities and the ukrainian military retailer desk support. actually, a network of 3 ports, odessa turned in most compete donnie of vital for the economy, especially in the tight uh, uh, mazda 3. you live for our country, where 90 percent of the exports were by c given before the invasion. it's extremely important to especially considering that among all the green and see ports one of the 3 ports of great or this are recreating shipments of green leaf while commodities and occasionally weapons arrive with the dangers to the much of vessels and the port facilities of ferry real, this is important is highlighted by the frequency of russian attacks, as authority struggle to keep the quotes operation to do this, you knew what it is, the intense attacks almost every night by drones and missiles if our region in

ports were protected, better with empty aircraft we would feel safer and be able to work more efficiently . in my opinion, this is the biggest issue we need to solve. with russia launch has missiles from ukraine. there's little warning, but it is not a good up. it takes only one minute for ballistic missile to reach us. that's why there is a need for shelters right next to where people work. and the threat isn't just from the naval patrols a constantly searching for russian mines, indiscriminate weapons that could damage and sink any vessel they hit, regardless of its nationality. the points of greater odessa are and you can only lifeline for ukraine, ensuring the country has the tools it needs to be able to fight the war. but keeping the ports open and the supplies flowing is not without its challenges. i think it's gets helpless out to 0, a desa ukraine, you know, thousands of residents of who team in the city in vietnam us celebrating the opening of the cities. first of a metro line,

which took 17 years to complete. people lined up at every station along the $1700000000.00 line that runs bunch columbus is from the city center city, 50 mass, as a metro would use traffic congestion, and pollution. i'm one of runs most famous landmarks to try the fountains as reopened. after months of renovation, the 18th century monument have been trying to remove that line scale. am i an oxide from collex up to $1500000.00 a year and coins tossed into the fountain hold on. $13000000.00 taurus are expected next year for the catholic church. germany celebrations the last day for meet dialing jordan once mation of course on our website, i'll just come there. it is on his screen and he's continuing 0 now to 0 after upfront. that's a special thanks so much and by the in depth analysis of the days headlines, what are we supposed to read painting through the use of basically you miss all by

russian informed opinions. finally, after over a year of genocide, the i c. c has come to this decision, critical debate, the difference between china and most of the rest, the world is a china plans long term inside story do conferences and meetings like cop 29 and others make a difference on how to 0 so it's the fall of the shot, as i said, israel has conducted airstrikes across syria and sees territory in the golan heights, in violation of 50 years. these fire pat, what's nothing i was in game and series. that conversation is coming up. the 1st with an hours of facade fling, damascus, a number of european countries announced the suspension of asylum requests from siri. something even calling for the deforestation a refuge, but is serious safe to return to what protections the syrians have under international law. last those questions to the director of human rights watches,

refugee and margaret rights division. this week's headliner, bill for the bill fairly. thank you so much for joining us in upfront. my pleasure. a shuttle i said, has fled syria marketing the end of a 13 year war in the country. so this is allister, more than a dozen european countries, including austria, germany, belgium, finley, and ireland, greece, norway, they suspended asylum procedures for syrian migrants. aust, is even offering a 1000 euro incentive for margaret to leave and is preparing a deep rotation program. what did these moves mean? what are their significance for deportation? this is should be out of the question. i mean, this is way, way too early to talk about forcibly returning anyone to syria. this is a completely unstable situation. it's volatile, but you don't know which, you know,

what direction things are going. humanitarian needs in the country are off the charts. so there's, you know, we haven't begun any restoration re rehabilitation any, any, any ability to reintegrate people at this point to suspend the decision making. that's acceptable, but, but to deport any one at this time is completely unacceptable. you expect this, that's the red line. we need to do absolutely be making you expect us to close that realize you expect to mask the protections here and what, what i see the expectation that we hope not certainly i think what you're going to see is mix of you have people that are spontaneously returning, you have people that want to return that want a voluntary repatriate and would you know, grab the chance to get a 1000 euros to be able to go home is that's what they want to do anyway, of course. and it is the human right. if any person to return to their country,

that's a, that's a basic right even to return to danger. but the fact that one person wants to go back and choose us to go back now shouldn't green light forcing over people back because other people, every person has different personal circumstances. there's general condition. so nobody knows what's going to happen tomorrow or next week, or, or next month. and so most, for the most part, what we're looking at when we talk about voluntary refugee repatriation is, can you return safely dignity, are the conditions favorable for return. and you, there's a, there's a concern about safety, i mean, mine clearance and, and the remnants of, of explosive devices that are still there. not to mention just to the destruction that the devastation of the country. what you have to go back to if you don't have potable water, you don't have electricity, you don't have a roof over your head. um, what are the things that troubles me a bit? is the amount of anti immigrant rhetoric. europe is certainly seen the 3rd and that

kind of rhetoric in germany's upcoming snap elections in february for example, migration is emerged as a top issue with some politicians taking a har stansell refugee, a refugee's twin volt. i mean it works. you know, we've seen that in the united states as well, with immigrants. germany is not an outlier. anti immigrant sentiment in rhetoric has been on the rise in italy, belgium netherlands. we could go on, you know, how this shape future policy on a syrian refugees, as well as other migrant across europe. it's a real concern. it's a real concern that you know everything you just said the, the, the right wing in germany is ascendant. there was a vote of no confidence in, in the current government, and they are going to be having staff elections in an election season. as we've seen here in the united states, where the in skateboarding of immigrants and refugees nullifying them distorting.

um, you know, one crime is committed and suddenly everybody stigmatized and that population 2015 as well with when, when a bunch of syrians came in yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly that sort of thing. so you've got all that sort of stigma, all of that scape guarding which politicians are going to western eyes for votes and to scare people into into voting. the fear monitoring is unfortunately something that because of the territory. so it's a real concern. it's a real concern, but you're, hopefully there is an understanding of 2 things. one is rule of law and that there are, there are procedures that are there for a reason. there are reasons to take things in a, in a systematic and an objective and deliberate as manner when people's lives are at stake and you're determining this person going to be killed if you return them or not. you want to be damn sure that you're doing the

right thing before you make that, that choice as and, and the other point is really more of a common humanity. morales, the question, you know, the one is legal and one is, is moral. and hopefully, voters can put themselves in the shoes of people who are not as fortunate as they are. and hopefully they can look at the devastation in syria. they can look at the conditions that no one would want their children to return to you. and the uncertainty politically as well the what that returning they mean according to the you and hcr, the united nations high commission for refugees. a 90 percent of serious population is relying on humanitarian a for those people who do make the decisions you point up, they have a right to make up to return home. how do they navigate that? you know how to the cold. i mean, at the moment is chaos of the moment. um,

we don't know, you know, where people are going to be living what their shelter is, what the, what they can do in terms of basics of food and water. we're not even talking about education. we're not talking about, you know, governance and all these other questions that are, that are further down the line where they're coming. i mean, the number show what the reports are showing as it is, maybe the 1000000 people will be returning in early 2025. and i think that's that. i mean, none of us knows for sure. yeah. and the situation can change overnight. basically, i just finished with the political situation there. people got fearful about that, but syrians, i think what this tells us we are seeing, i've been on the phone with our, on our, our own researchers that have been crossing the border between 11 and syria. and they're seeing traffic actually in both directions as it turns out. and i think that's significant. there's some out flow as well, but people are spontaneously returning. and, and that tells us a number of things that many,

many series are really going to want to return. and they're going to want to contribute to the, their own reconstruction of their own country to rebuild this country. in many cases, you know, clearing that rumble themselves and, and, and building their homes back with, with their own 2 hands. they need the resources to be able to do that. absolutely. i mean there's the issue of resources as issue of displacement as you're talking about. there's the very real danger of meeting someone like actual minds like yeah, yeah, all that stuff is, is considerable. there's also the question of political persecution, you know, that's the thing that people are facing and it's facing syria for a long time. if all of these people are returning home and they're facing, and they've always faced political persecution, leasing recent history. what happens now when the major players sort of shift the main players and see right now the control large suassa territory. we can talk about a hand to create a sham h t s, the national syrian army of syrian democratic forces. they've all been accused of

human rights abuses. they've. i awesome. yeah. yeah, right. to be sure. yeah. to be sure, despite the recent reassurances from those newly in charge that they're going to respect the rights of minorities. could we see more people fleeing syria in fear of persecution? i mean, we are hopeful. so some of the rhetoric that we've heard from the transitional authorities is as positive and, and, and hopeful as well. um, but, and we do need to be on the lookout for repression for retaliation. and for um, you know, the, the, the, the rights of minorities. so right of your political opposition and, and, and that's taking into account that there should be accountability for people that torture, you know, for people have committed crimes. yeah. under the previous regime, you know,

we're not saying to do otherwise, but you do it in a, in a deliberative and, and orderly manner. and you know, we're, we're talking about a country that really doesn't have a constitution to speak of her needs, you know, needs a whole new governance structure for sure. it's been decades of the assad family regime. i think goes back about 50 years. yeah. we have between houses and infrastructure. how confident are you? that minority groups won't be persecuted. i'm thinking specifically what ethnic and religious minorities. well, i mean the, for the, as i mentioned, i was just on the phone with, with, with the human rights watch, people that run the loved them on syria border. and they were, you know, talking to people that were crossing from syria into love and on. and who could tell from their accents that they were coming from the talk in the coastal area, you know, probably our white minority people and that are afraid, you know,

frankly. and so that's going to be something that everyone's going to be watching very, very closely. but i think there also has to be the openness of neighbors that, that, that are feeling exhausted themselves. i mean, we talk about compassion, we're fatigue, a country like a web, a non, you know, quarter of its population has been refugee population. and they've just had, with the, with the is, is really incursions in the south. so this is the countries, it's, you know, really on many different runs. and yet we're st 11 on that. you need to be patient . you need to be open, you need to continue it to be open to new influx of refugees, even as other people are leaving. and there will be people that have been there for a long time that have been in opposition to us on that are still going to need to take a wait and see approach. you know, and i seems to be your opinions of you, you know, if you don't, if, if you're complaining, look of what the, what, you know, looking at 11 months dealing with, you know, your,

the capacity of europeans to, to integrate people to process claims. and to actually take advantage of the benefits the refugees can provide in, in nursing for example, in shortages and labor shortages in germany were syrians were actually, you know, a well educated many, many people with professional backgrounds that came in 2015, you know, 20162017 that have really contributed to germany, particularly in the service areas and in health care. and we shouldn't discount that that, that the refugees are not entirely a bird bill for like taking so much enjoyment upfront of pleasure as the regime of syrian president. but charlotte said collapsed following 13 years of civil war. a power vacuum has emerged, one that could reshape the entire region. but while the world was focused on the

future leadership of syria, israel has begun an aggressive military campaign into the goal on heights and carried on airstrikes across the country. so what does this mean for serious future? israel's actions ignite, a broader regional conflict. going to meet to discuss this is really journalist and author get in levy. he's latest book is titled the killing of a guy that reports on a catastrophe. i wanna thank you so much for joining me. it's good to see was always, sir, is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. his office has revealed plans to expand israel's control over the goal on heights. he declared it's we will continue to hold onto it, make it flourish, and settled. it is real, has also already forced entire towns to evacuate and aims to double the number of settlers that are in the area. several reports also state that israel has expanded its scope beyond google on a further into syria. what's going on here? what's his risk plan?

is this plan is to take or put you on it to you. any weakness there? word shows. it is always very deliberate for the short drawn. i'm not sure it's so clever for the long run because it's always based on me to, to read power. the fact that syria is now shaking instead of will die. well, this done no suggest. instead of trying to offer these same paths for syria may be open again, you chip the may be opening. can you vision instead of this is writing these, forming syria and ultra buying directors from syria, from silver and syria. it's for the, for the time being it's, it's a great success because it's mo, problems rather than days, ready? it takes and you sold shoulder, then you need the sheep, say nothing about which is where he's going. except of saying that means you know

is it's enough, its buffalo rom, it's rather depressing because the game is right and these po drank it says, is the regional only who we always use minutes every false in the 1st priority and never give chance to other options there are as rarely politicians who openly talked about how israel should extend its borders beyond the current borders into parts of syria, iraq, jordan, saudi arabia, lebanon. this idea of what kind of greater israel has been one that's been talked about increasingly over over recent time. and that's a yahoo has now ended the 50 year since bar packed with syria and declared that this quote hasn't happened in the 100 years since the sites pico agreement. referring of course, to the 1916 agreement between britain and france that carved up the middle east. do you believe it was trying to redraw the borders of the middle east and annex syria,

at least in part, as part of this vision of greater israel? i have news for the video and for those to be even those visions colonialism passed the way long time ago. and the only remains hold on one of these countries is what is what is trying to implement to i don't seeing that or do descriptions. i mean, is of yours, it's those who express them are serious. nobody believes that it's posted. but why don't they include, say, a russia is with russia is also in certain times to the danger for his eyes. so why wouldn't be going to russia is with any 3 i in russia already. right. and we'll go from trade. i mean, that was to lead me to make, i don't mind. yeah. and the is this, we go no money in any j. c, o 2 i, i must remind you it's only a few patients, the west bank and gaza. we just small, tiny parts of the big palestine from the bridge when they died.

only these destroyed is the year and made it into a per se. so be, but the thing, how do we get to read the dose of the patients and not have any dreams for more? for the of your patients, a room you spend your next to the american press enter for your which i'm not sure which would be the case. in any case, much will depend on donors drop in. i hope that you will be the one to still be sure you said something recently that struck me. you said that quote, these territorial swipes will be the pre text for another more. what do you mean by that? it's very here is right, and here's a dispute in the nice boulder all over it. i mean tiny diesel glen. the shop. uh, toms. this was a big issue for friction for news. it wasn't the only reason the 4 rolls increased

by the display. by all means, slopes, by the draws a very good excuse to, to kind of thing choose between the 2 countries. so you, it'd be now, i mean this photo and it's in the out on top of the syrian montville which was a arrogant, big troll fil football. football, otherwise, nothing guess but this, this might bus no, but we know before go. and tom would come and use your answering and come, they were saying this is that except that there is at the national know, someone has story stick to bearing territories. the board is what is what he can do and the split the country. what do you mean? the major said mexico, just cold drilling parts of the united states, even a small well, the residents things keep silence. oh, would you treat the war?

it might you to this? so that's the 2nd case here. understood serial opposition group higher to actually it was sham, also known as h t. s. has been somewhat cautious in their response toward israel aggression at least so far, they've declared that they will not let syria be used as a launch pad for attacks. but that quote, strikes must in an israel a have to pull back to it to its previous positions. how do you think israel will ultimately orient itself toward h t. s? no, nobody, you know, well, gaming, they have a very med records and a very present promising presence. they have passed these really very probably my thinking i can of the spend the concern and this way from all kinds of the slow miss, gee, how these organizations will take over all the sale. on the other hand, ever since they took the power, that not only very cautiously,

i was so quite moderate. it ends in quite surprising the only about the concern about women's rights, about many things may be or coma, flash and run. so they'd be based in power every single get back to what he'd be used to be. but maybe also they came to the conclusion that the way for prosperity for us to be able to go through the ways and go through relations with the neighbors. so timely show x ray once is where a home, caustic be. so fled to this. we know from a story it becomes is right as property and then to evict you a g takes use and many was early on in the syrian civil war. israel's then in bassett, or to the us publicly called for the allister of us side, he stated. but we always wanted to shut it. and i said to go, we always prefer the bad guys weren't back by iran to the bad guys. we're back by

here, right. a claim that nothing. yeah. whose office later denied in 2019 former is really army chief of staff, a guy the eyes in cold now is israel provided weapons to syria up syrian opposition groups and carried up thousands of attacks in syria. given all of that was this the outcome, israel. what my guess is that is going to stability is the ability of t. now was this was by far less a teeny nobody at for seen this clips. and my, my recommendation is obviously that is a mix of or in domestic issues among its labors emetrius of syria. big thinking over the next payment as soon as would be, it's something how we accept the piece where it has the right to be side really

would be empowering. celia, i wouldn't be about know, oh i swear. no, we, so let's move on to this is really is to recognize what they are the mean streets, power, their lives to power in general. but also what is, what is power to intervene in other countries. but we don't know formats and now is the time to, let's see, we recover it into the field anymore. let them recover. it's a very intelligent, but it seems to as well any diligently listen to it to judge that the recall for told you to you did talk. you should the field know which the funeral because everyone, we, we all want to interest serial. we me to get and then we see another assuming more right now we can say someone indisputably that has butler has been weakened

militarily and structurally we also have seen, of course, the collapse of the us and resume in syria. in light of these developments, israel is really military efficient anyway, are discussing this as a kind of strategic opportunity to strike iran's nuclear facilities. uh there was a times of visual report that stated that the is really air force has increases preparations for these type of potential strikes on iran. do you think that this will actually happen or is this just a bluff? my guess is as good as yours. i really don't know for many years, we've been told that these are not doing by itself without the united states. i'm not sure that the united states is ready to get into it and take over your i'm not sure with or for from the drop. who is being able to help us. he speaks about

getting out strong or appropriate bunch of kiddos. but you know, he's really is now quite a bit more than motivated by successes. and it seems to test some kind of more measurable vent don't. it shouldn't be nice and therefore we know some be surprised if we wake up one morning and we hear that these are in here because he's on his way to drop the guy. he might succeed. it might be a catastrophe. yes, yes, cool. expensive the space that's the you cannot stop, you run any more from good thing. you blue weapons, only buddy. but 3 men don't buy force because by force you can only get a certain delay. you're very limited. the length had been some kind of postponing in, but that's more than the so let's close our fingers. that is read reading to something clear before i change. get in lovely. thank you so much for joining us

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