logical with the design in ultimate but this is not to its countless kilowatts of all its official light allowing industrialized agriculture defies seasonal and geographic constrains witness should slice on the impact of emerging cultivation on the natural world to which we even know sleepless bags. on tuesday era, the suspecting them back to the christmas boxes attack is a self described society disappears germinal, sorry to say he supports a right wing policy. could police have done more to prevent the running? where does this leave a country divided by immigration and the rising popularity? the far right? this is inside store the

hello and welcome to the program and the bulk of german police of charge. the man accused of running a car to crowds at the christmas market. with several counts of murder and attempted murder minutes to say the 50 year old style, the psychiatrist, who's lived in germany for 18 years, is this summer phobic. and shawn slow enough show says he won't let people who try to spread hatred, get away with it. but the anti immigrant fall ride alternative for germany policy is made gains and opinion polls ahead of february snap election and just he's off the phone with the a side regime, the government in berlin froze saw the modifications for syrians as pressure bounce on politicians will fridays con is coupled with the simmering route over migrants in your divide gemini, even further, but we'll get to these issues. so i guess the 1st, the support by wilson dies on christmas. markets are held once a year, offering warrenton fellowship is shadows, length and in temperatures drop. but this year and magda burge, germany,

a nightmare on folders, a man driving an s u. v plowed into the crowds. he couldn't some yet say at this stage we can only say with certainty that the perpetrator was obvious thing is, i'm afraid, but we can already confirmed that everything else is subject to further investigation . authorities say he's a 50 year old doctor from saudi arabia who's been in germany since 2006. his motive is unclear, but online post, so attributed to him, suggest sympathy for europe's far right parties. at other markets, across the country, more police officers were deployed and citizens express frustration before community on the phone. you said the beans and mag to book have prompted the police in lower franconia to review the security measures. together with local authorities and christmas mortgage organizers and the piece presence was supposed to be increased off to the magnetic incident report position, which also we shouldn't to allow us selves to be restricted. because if we did,

the will of the other person would basically prevail. and we don't want that. we want to get on with our lives and leave out culture the way we want to. friday's attack echoes of fatal one carried out by it and using the asylum seeker in berlin . in 2016, a similar backlash. this time. anti immigration groups gathered magda burge on saturday, calling for the for civil expulsion of foreigners from germany. elsewhere in the city, mourners laid flowers and lit candles in memory of the victims with politics, no answer don't. degrees wilson dies are elder 0 for inside story. okay, well let's bring it in a guess from god's book in germany where joined by or a book. now, professor of political science at stanford university in berlin, in salt lake city, utah is rachel reserve, a known resident senior fellow at the atlanta counsels europe center. and it is

mohammed akash, f, a political advisor and consultant of the migrant solidarity network. if i will welcome to all 3 of you, welcome to inside story rick. i wonder if i can start with you because i have been at least 7 attacks on christmas markets in recent years. full in germany, 3 in france, will apparently, i look ideologically motivated, but there's something very different to about this one. the suspects opinion, gemini, for some time, he was a school professional adopter. he wasn't uh, a radicalized use this we've seen in previous attacks. he was deeply slumber phobic, despite coming from american country. i wasn't a power and supporter or far right, immigration policy. so i mean over what does that mean for jimmy's perception of this attack? well, 1st of all, it means that it's easy to simplify and but humans are much more complex. and we find people with a profile like this. and if they don't fix it into patterns that's counterterrorism

understands easily need to kind of happen that people don't find warnings as dangerous as in cases in which everything looks like a perfect match. there's. there's someone who wants to attack a christian community and therefore the authorities have to react. and this case things look much more complicated and they ask for, it happened. what happened? how about how many are we all referring to? the suspect says that tyler a while the investigation remains that very much show active. i mean, this individual may also suffer from mental health issues, i think is very important to stress that you are normally based uh, in germany. i wonder, given your understanding of how fever all the debates about race and religion is in germany, where the mental health would even be taken into consideration right now. um it, it actually is this attack. what's happened the last days in distrust of season

and what increased the is in a call back on also the slumber for baghdad. the rate the increase in raising and in germany for the last few months, ever since the war and gods in many ways. and we see a lot of the can also hit to speech. again, as the outline there's like i get into the foreigners is not necessary refugees or even government from most of their backgrounds are like most of them countries, but the foreigners in general and also witness the increase of the right wing supporters. and it's kind of sending go to see that that decker on the christmas market. it is coming from a most lim, country, looking background. but at the same time use and key muslim is a far right, is a poster. and this is like really and when. ready he the fear

more than that again, is the highlands and was all the changes happening in the country for the last few months. now, there are also a sofa outstanding questions as to how the attack could managed to get close to the marketplace. those, i'm sure will be onto this the investigation continues. one suggestion is that the, you may have used a roots that had been designated for emergency teams, but, but rachel, the new voice as news agency, is quite say, a name. saudi souls suggesting saudi arabia had warmed the german. no thoughts about the suspect as far back as 2023. and also earlier this year saying that he was a wanted fugitive. do we know for certain rates or whether this information had being ignored, shelved? what do we understand have been done with it? well, i was reading the same articles that you probably have been reading and it does seem that the german authorities were given information about this man. warnings

about this man by the source of the government on 2 different occasions. looks like 2007 in 2008. and it's not that they were ignored. i think that the german authorities were perhaps worried about what an extradition back to saudi arabia might need for his security. i've also looked at reports that said, members of his own community with in germany also offered warnings to the german authorities that were ignored as well. so i think that if there's one community that needs to take a close look at itself about how it responds to these kinds of things, it is the german police, the german police force and various other security forces that handle these types of issues. because it seems like, had they paid closer attention to this, this crisis, this attack, which killed so many and injured so many could perhaps have been avoided or re, cuz as rachel suggested, what are the juvenile authorities being a, perhaps

a little bit too circumspect to careful about the kind of evidence being offered by saudi arabia a given given his legacy. well, 1st of all, i disagree with what more image has said that this immediately will increase is longer for the i see as the most explicit and time mostly active is actually got the floor of many equality media. and not only that goes 10 thousands of on it was who like his aggressive stands against as well. but i read an article, a long interview and the quantity paper fronts. what i do mind it's item that you gave before call it. and that sounded like someone who dedicates his lives to help women need need to supports ex pats from saudi arabia. and he praises germany as an open society with freedom rights and everything that the german authorities to receive

a warning from saudi. ready may be able to draw that take into consideration as his life is at risk if he will be sent back to saudi arabia because they have all the reasons to spread doubts about the political opinions of someone who are so critical about saudi arabia, mom and what was extraordinary, is sitting in the early hours off the news of this a, a time bro, coming the current of vargo and see a slight meg. so i'm a phobia all over social media that was vast volumes of everything. when the presumption of course, was that this attack of being carried out, i'm listening. how do you think this attacked? would it be perceived? had it been carried out by a similar figure? so for instance, on this right, it could be who killed a large number of people in a, in no way, because the person full basically was a white supremacist. how would this be perceived if things something different about it? so just to be clarifying this,

i'm not saying own the because this and so then and then and not every one where read the background that the, since it's only enough for the stereotype that this person came from. so the a review already mostly on our ups are and really a and so if you're all the time and dealing with this kind of good to read minutes because the are most plans, as mentioned, not only because of the last few months, but also because of the heat of the genocide going on in gaza and then there's bones and the personality of the police that we owe see and, and, and how the german government resist. and this is palestinian rights movement. this also a reason the heat in the country and make it the right way using that and their politics and also in those features. and we see that,

but it's capped price is already in germany. all this environment are pushing more again, is the most names or outs in the country. it was all this is inappropriate and is level and for that approach and we, we went in is that for the last year in many states in germany, german people are thinking outside of the house like 0 is a song. and this is a precious song. and cold and for kicking out the foreigners and the point in a people back to their homeland, for sure, as a human rights advocate. and there's the big theater of default and at that tech care from germany to so the review was his background and the at old, the advocacy that he was doing and all the media campaign he was running like this shift of his approach or to use i don't you also, it makes us a to question and to ask,

why this guy richard this living as the original, the original, the habits what a point that has made. because also, according to the gym and tabloid, to build a protest, as wilks, we might to bug off to the attack, shouting, anyone who doesn't love germany should leave germany migration kills. and we must take back all cities of villages and uh, homeland, according to those reports. i mean, how does the german government, in your opinion limit the full out of something like this, especially given oh, laugh, short seems to be plummeting and supporting the poles that have to be like to know the next year. yeah, i mean look, there's a few things at play here. one thing that i find really fascinating is that this attack took place just hours after the richest man in the world. the one musk had tweeted to his hundreds of millions of twitter followers that only the f d can save germany. ok, so this isn't just an issue with german support for far right movements. this is

something that's happening in the united states. it's something that's happening in france, austria, italy, and so it is going to be something to watch in terms of how the german government does handle the fall out from this. because certainly, even if this man was anti muslim, a convert to christianity, perhaps it, his profile is still one of a saudi immigrant to germany. and so that is going to fuel the rhetoric or at least i believe that it will feel the rhetoric for the far right. i think the real question is how do parties like the greens, the freedom across the f t p the s p d? how did they respond to this to limit the fall out? and i think that's something that has yet to be seen, but certainly allow schultz ahead of the election. has a lot of pressure on him as do various other candidates, especially a cd chance or candidate predict mats. so thanks a lot, rachel,

and overcome rachel has very clearly suggested that they will miss doesn't seem to match what the, the views of the suspects that would be the suspect to have said before coming out this attack. because at the end of the day, he was simply a foreigner, an arab, and a former asylum seeker. and that's what most people seem to care about, particularly those who are drawing towards the far right to in jim and a i or make the f d is made significant gains, hasn't it? and you are p and elections and that, and regional level level elections as well as the, the 1st fall right party the, when the german state since the non season the ring. yeah. but here we have a saw, a suspect, who appears to have a sensually sympathized with the cools, how to the after you navigate that, and then it is difficult for them. and they immediately check if she maybe is even a member of the party, which isn't as simple as he's from saudi arabia and therefore it fuels and time

muslim sentiments in the country. apparently he isn't, but they did not actively instrumental lies him to continue with a narrative off. germany has to signtechs, who are you hands or whatever else they are coming up with as a strategy to win more support them in the previous elections? we have to put things more in context, i believe. because even if we now see a rise of single phobia and, and kind of muslim and also the country so many takes time to make and german pop, take this courses. germany is a different kind of for you that it was 20 years or 40 years ago. we found more diverse, we have found more open and total range. the composition of the society is much more one with people with migration background. this is a longer trend in which people who have a much more conservative understanding of what the german culture is. like for

a long time, but it is only 7 years or 8 or 9 years ago when makeover was blamed for being that you may need terry unmotivated, the person who assisted people in need and made the jeremy of the country that's took the most craft of cheese not only from syria, but also from of gone, is don at more recently you from the ukraine. so base is also a germany in which dependent only is now is leaning more towards the right. but it came a very long way to stand for the values and principles of by western talk. democracy mohammed some as little ricks highlighted clarity and clinical era policies. a very much it in the spotlight of the moment, particularly as the entire immigration asylum seeker debate as being turbo charged to had of elections that i mean tough of measure, as i understand, were announced in august following a knife attack, allegedly carried out by sue and asylum seeker, is it your view?

oh, certainly, how many bits jimmy's traditional sense of ground is inevitably having to stay take big steps to the right to preserve support as so as mentioned, like i really do many talk to a good steps towards the welcome in refugee and people uh, fleeing the war but also it was that kind of, uh, order to go the action for america. and it was a win win game because we know that germany is a kind of an old country needs and human resources, it needs worker and the economy, the german economy, need this people as so demographically at germany. yes. is it changing, as there is a diversity? but at the same time, we cannot deny and like our eyes from the rays of the right wings and in the run of the election like we will see like

a now or we are witness and an early election. and it was the raise of, if the for sure, if they will use out to suction incidence and use more popular stick speeches and to gain more support in this times. and there is a way to make sure as to keep it far as the relation was that decor uh and make the boat christmas market that i sweet. all right, well, as far as the discussion and provide some context for our view as an listeners, all of this comes at the time when germany has said it will pause, city and asylum applications, which are many, was the only european nation to suspend the side of application from syrians of the charlotte side was ousted, austria, belgium, greece, easily sweden, denmark, and the u. k. and then similar plans, but it's germany. the hosp, the largest 2 in the community in europe, is home to old. most a 1000000 suing refugees. the fries will the facts,

maybe $48000.00 applications already in the system. the government has not announced any plans to the port syrians view and refugee agency says about 1000070 refugees expected to return home. and the 1st 6 months of next year, it's urging countries to avoid forced returns to rachel, turning to you how do you interpret the introduction of policies like that so close to a very contentious election? well, i think the numbers of people that are returning to syria on their own volition just shows that you know, a lot of refugees. they don't want to be refugees. they want to live in their home country. and so i think that germany and other european countries, what they can do now is support the refugees, the refugee communities, rather than try to send them back or, or limit the people that can seek asylum. i think syria is a very delicate case right now. we don't know how this is going to turn out after

the fall, the fall and pressure. i saw just a couple of weeks ago. i think it's probably too soon to tell. and i think it's also a little bit too soon to tell how in germany and other countries are going to deal with these issues in upcoming elections. and certainly, immigration is at the top of the mind, not just for far right. parties like the sd, but also center right. parties like the cd you like the f t p, maybe parties on the left like the greens and the and the s p d trying to figure out how not to solve pray to far. right. right, right. i think early work is totally right and then germany has changed over the last 15 or 20 years. it's a much more diverse country in germany as welcome to that many parties from the left to the right. have welcome that. and i think it's important for parties not to fall prey to that sort of rhetoric that pushes them to the right and falls into the trap of one being all immigrants in one pile. and i think that's something that

parties are gonna have to really try to avoid a rig too. do you agree with that? do you think that this policy of posing asylum applications right now will, will or will not have any impact on how people vote? and if what's coming into of what i understand, the tactical position of the most part is that they are very careful given the currents would in the society. do we have to distinguish between what is migration policies and what is a you might need, terry, and commitment to international treaties? to help, can you probably need know, economy needs traumatized, tortured oppress people from where have a part of the world. but if you live up to you, you might need terry and commitment, and you help them maybe in the 2nd or in the search generation. this helps you to deal with your democratic problems, but we have elections in 2 months. so if people in the strategic headquarters also

parties believe that they should send a symbolic signal to voters who are simply afraid off what's coming up next. and that's understandable. but you, we met elections in germany in the same talk. 80 percent of the people are still committed to bought an open society means, and then we have extra minutes on both sides of the political spectrum. and they will try to use people's fears to create a wave that allows them to serve into a better political position. and you also have very, very powerful figures. so outside germany as well, the country may have changed, but so also have the potential powers to influence the direction that germany takes . mohammad. rachel raised the point earlier in the program about the, the impacts of a little mosque on all of this to who is rachel mentioned, the publicly endorse the a f d saying that they were germany's only hope, but he's now demanding old off short survey designs over the handling of this

incident to a mazda book, how vulnerable my, how many do you think germany and germans are too powerful tech billy? and as with vice strong opinions, who are very keen to shake the direction of european politics. so to answer this question we, we, we need to actually and also to be uh, kind of free i listed upcoming election uh is not, is not easy. and unfortunately, uh, i like to germany got ahead. uh many times in the last 2 years was that go with and then the brain or, and the ongoing war and also that into know the different problems. and not only was the refugee, but also economically, the germany is suffering at how much it's valuable to, to go through this. actually, i would say that as, as the 40, not as uh, and my grand in germany,

most of my friends and not only the refugee but the migrant, the foreigners in germany, a kind of observe and, and the following. and that are in situations was few years and those that is equal to survive. and to be honest, also a people is, do you remember miracles a days and the american government and how they can do it was a stable and people liked really and up and the funding of what, what happened in the next few months for the last couple of minutes, so we have rachel, los, where it goes to you in terms of shaping a german perceptions and the way that it's healthy for the country as a whole in terms of its immigration policy. and also what's behind it said, making sure that people simply aren't feel afraid of people from a, an immigrant background. i mean, what is the responsibility lie here?

is it with the government? what was it with the free speech? absolutely. as to a spreading all sorts of information online. well, i mean the free speech to absolute as to are spreading anything online certainly aren't going to feel a sense of i think, responsibility to tell the whole truth. i think they feel the responsibility to shape the narrative in a way that furthers their own policy policy ideas that often go against the center left and center, right, are often times extremist. i mean, look, we've had this issue in the united states to the southern border. the rush of immigrants on the southern border as the republicans have called, it turned a lot of people in the united states into one issue, voters. and i think in germany they have the same issue where it really is like the onus is on the government to push back against this rhetoric that has been spread by a lot of people who have these major platforms. and so i just think this is going to

be difficult over the next couple of months, but let's hope that parties that are in the center console. okay. we do the challenging times ahead. it seems as we head towards the on important elections in germany. pleasure to have all 3 of you and inside story mohammed, our culture, racial reserve and over rick brooks. now many thanks and thank you to for watching . you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just see what the. com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. i handle is at a inside story for me the falkland whole team here. bye for now, the i'm counting, the cost of global trade is transforming wide. how will the move for the goods across the board as be we shaped in the future, to terrace hikes on to the 2nd?

the trump administration spoken international trade will include technology play, a role in restructuring supply chains, counting the cost on i'll just say around $1620.00. yes. that was mailed record struck country denisia. just relating to untie. the estimated 230000 people can join us as we speak just a 5 isn't victims. is all the real po tell is the hotels that i've ever stated and the biggest box you have ever seen, how does sprout taken out? this was really loved each when it was built, even when it was been a major toners. if the conflict in northern ireland and the late 20th century belfast, your open war hotels on orders here,

we know what's happening in our region. we know how to get to places that others can know. as far as i said, i'm going all the way that you tell the story is what can make a difference. the limits to how far a dream contains sta in your own adventure, now counter. and we the latest news that are to 100 pounds and missing people from families here are saying that they have not received any single need with detailed coverage. this is the sunset of them off, the subdivisions have been taking place every single day since the fall of the form that i see from around the world. it is

a high time for the international community to come together to try and rebuild this 10 feet of already good the aspirations of the 2nd people the this is all just arrived at a you navigate what is a trick on your world headlines. features amy and for a minister is in serious capital, damascus for talk to the head of the new administration, talking to all to 0. he said, jordan fully supports the transition process and the drafting of a new constitution for syria aim and stuff. i did also said jordan is ready to help rebuild the country. we had a conversation on, on where syria is, and i obviously conveyed to jordan for the support of the cd and people as.