tv Inside Story Al Jazeera December 25, 2024 8:30pm-9:01pm AST
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how they walk into the program. i'm adrian sending an unrest and most i'm big since a presidential election in october west and this week of the country's courts reaffirm the ruling for lima parties. candidates dial shop o as the went up the runner up. but i see a monk lane of the pl day must policy says the vote was riggs. now an exile piece called for more protests since october, a hundreds of protest as have been shot by police thousands have been arrested on 2 of my own plans. aids have been killed. international human rights organizations have condemned to track down all the countries catholic bishop so projected the election results as a fraud. european union and po observers have also listed irregularities. shuffle was cool for com. i'd wants to start a national dialogue, but that may prove to be a challenge as many of the protest as a young people disenchanted with the political leaders. so why the protest continuing? i don't think just about the election results or why the issues we'll talk to, i guess shortly before as the report from the sort of guilt. the young people of
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mozambie have been protesting for months. the cooling for an end to the governing freely by policies, decades on rules, and accused it to freaking october selection comes elizabeth, that we are liberating our so we want the government to see that we are angry to some the flight for democracy has come at the ultimate cost, this is laurie a team is funeral. he was shot dead in the vend, but pool to peak by police to his father. benjamin says that protesting is not the crime. go to school super door to i feel, paying for my son who was shot without doing anything. he did nothing wrong. president elect daniel chapel has quote for com and his boss speech since being declared, we know he's bound to be a leader of school. thoughts. his rivals continue to quote, for demonstrations. yes, the, that's the,
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this more this back to the people are waging is the fight for justice and it's the fight for legitimacy. and it's the fight for the truth. so we're seeing people on the streets asking for what they've never had. they've never had food. that's why there's a strong tendency for these people to look sharp. they don't lead thing because the brutes, animals are savages. they are people who are hungry up. the interest is being viewed by a desperate economic situation. in mozambique a decade of stock nation has left around 2 sides of the population, living in pulses, see the younger generation, say they are bearing the brunt of economic decline. the young people, they want to work, they are tired. there's no work in wasn't big, there's no job. the government make it hard, very hard. so yeah, they're not taking care of or not. 80 percent of the population is on to the age of pacifying. while the process may have thought to disapprove for an act, for the integrity,
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some say the now being driven by cohorts of young people demanding a better future. sorry, go out to 0. the inside story. before we talk to our guests, let's take a closer look at some more of the political background for lino has dominated politics and most i'm big since independence from portugal. in 1975, a lawyer, i'm from a tv journalist for the relatively low profile daniel chapel was the policy surprise choice for presidential candidate. i left wing revolution re policy for lima. look, defies against colonial rule by portugal. it was supported by the soviet union, china about african revolutionary movements like the amc in south africa, the widow of a former leader. later on married nelson mandela in recent years, it sold closer ties with the west, including investment. a small vanessia month lane of the left wing put in this policy was the runner up in the election. the electoral commission says that he got
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24 percent of the folks behind shuffle on 65 percent, an engineer, and also a charge pasta. he's a particularly popular man with young people and his widely followed on social media. he's one support among a generation too young to and then the for the most revolutionary posts, and that feels left out in an economy when most employment is in full state prosecute is assuming him for half a 1000000000 dollars. a frozen is bank accounts after he publicly called on supporters to paralyze the country. he's been living in self imposed exile since the election. let's bring in, i'll guess for today's discussion fritz and getting get his senior program manager at the roosevelt luck. some books this don't, i don't get as ation focused on social justice. he joins us from john, his book and held him and dumpster is a politician with the opposition party, but they most and most on becky jones is from the pool. so how does that start with you? that's just good. one thing straight be that the constitutional council is the highest
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electro course and most on big to stop being the mount legal avenue is for challenging the result of the election. a closed reset, which is or full size of the walls. by the way, we don't have the presence here. um, but what i can tell you about it is it says we don't have any of the newer to, to go through that go because the constitutional code, they just give us the rush last results sore. then there is nothing to be a clean at all. but it is, we going to make some claim mean because of the res, illegal constitutional issues and the process and the legal issues start seems the top of holding process was, was going through sore at the moment, according to the documents and the code to conceal
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the have to bring it out. uh yes, we do have found some that because mistaken does that find it. so there is nothing legal in got paper and there is nothing free. and there is nothing that brings uh, a whole thing to the people watch at the moment. that is why we see all those products in the, in the country. and we knows exactly did we call to expand some business from the beds. uh we, we want, you've been dead cleanings because of the homework procedures have gotten in the process. and it isn't because we do, we start to find out the ability to go solutions, not nothing for a full legal level avenue. is that a closed as far as challenging the election results? and so what happens next? are we likely to see for the protests and possibly more more violence? we'll look country shut down. as the leader,
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the opposition leader has as called for it to do on, on, on friday. how do you see this playing out over the over the, the coming days and weeks when i think i it is because, you know, there's not any of that. and any other legal solution for this problem, i must say that from the very beginning, this has never been in legal problem. i mean, the biggest, not face with the legal crisis, but it's basically face that with a police go political craft. this is a political problem that is having its expression in also in the legal frame of the conference because the strong, the cost isn't a quote of doing nothing out of the following the instructions from the routing pat. unfortunately, in most of the situation you've dispatch we, the institution, the pack institutions including the, the police and the court, ah highly, highly manipulated. and the higher the control by give holdings to name. so it's
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all to the extent, but i believe that this is not an ego problem, is a political sizes that pass to be a result to add somebody to call me not necessarily legal a bins. and this is not the 1st time that is legal. i mean, political and solutions that would be employed in mozambique in times of crisis. so there has been many, many of the crisis big political crisis before it is one of them associated with the elect or resolves. and they all will be resolved the negotiations between the routing for the mall, and then the most dominating that produce. go back to the biggest part of the air which has been now, and it's the default of the comma. so i can equity, but this has to be results, but did you get a refund on then it's going to lead the country into more and more caves. hilda,
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daniel chapo has, has struck a conciliatory tone, but one of the challenges of, of, of, of a political situation being found any time soon with, with the actual being outside of the country, essentially, and anxiety. will he be able to return to the country anytime soon? i, the golden, pending of the supernatural, comes through a to mozambique because there is a internal process. and in general, you saw things. so if you're not sending this demo and we know how does a for the most part, the works in mozambique and every one of these afraid to get the nice, you, comstock, when i'm going to happen, he might be killed. so above a couple people, the most indeed doesn't trust for the more anymore. so now in this collection, the older people he's trying to manufacture the talent for the government in the. busy society then they completed disagreeing sore. trouble is not at the moment the
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just a minute. uh me, just the president to, to our country at the moment. so or as we can see, we can see exactly what does the. ready contain present after that as a solution, for example, was confusing and getting a conversation before the results because we didn't think that the expect it to be in this conversation in terms of the bench bench against the whole, the situation. what we can say on that day we'll come the people using it all 3 georgia state at the moment. that's why we're leaving this price in the country. so there is a lot of questions and we think that might be a senior in the and i think the solutions might come from the state. it's not being clear now because of a proposal from our sites we. we really sent
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a proposal and we had no response afternoon. so the election, these, they had the results of this or do you think we had it's better to do to get to in some sense before that? do you think i held up at the front of them all in chapel? understand the frustrations of, of the people and just how hard it will be for them to govern going forward, give them that frustration, a tory to complement. this really actually doesn't, doesn't match. and then trouble knows exactly what is happening and what, what do we know inside this? what do you have the challenge because there isn't 2 parts to 3 parts. so for it to be what divided things. so there is a part of them does a 17 susceptible. ready and sees except what is couldn't be the solutions according to our goals. we know they, they,
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they have the read at all. and part of this group of green is that the, the proposal which is enjoyment, compliment and, and try to make it a built in combat, a solutions to can equate and build a credible institutions for the country and trying to pacific capable this moment that the people exclaiming for the best social life, because the issue of the election is just a reflection of what we government has an issue with in the countries the social issues in the country. so to have this, this challenge and he knows exactly what is happening in the country. so this is a certain kind of motivation. all this part of frontier. do you agree with, with, with what the hell of a saying that will funding they'll be able to to, to see how it still wouldn't be able to go from the officially if this the,
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the demonstration is that the on rest, the civil disobedience continue. you definitely won't be able to govern efficiently use the continuous integration continuance. but i don't think this is what they believe what they believe. what it did they did, they did the use, is that the best, the choice of going to calm down at some point the people going to get fired from being displaced there. to the extent that this package now is that the police interview as little as possible just to protect them. and the data is where they need and allow carol stewart to take place in, in areas where they, the, i mean, most of them, the not to divide. this is exactly to the 5 to send the message to the mazda because, but also to the world that this is not legitimate movement, is just a google, but how, how the way they, they quoted the vandals and the,
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for me bad. it's the just want to gauge kiddos, and i mean, so to make these legitimacy, they do it for all the lead is for the child to take power to call. i can jan or be swan, we have the present of mozambique and then bring about this sort of see will do inclusion reading sounds, the people from the new position and to form a government and possibly also invites one valley to come back to me as a beacon said, we are the we are hoping to discuss with you uh, with the beacon you are going to be part of the process. so i believe that this is why the bank and due to the stock that they really demand. and that it might work because, you know, the big unfortunately still remains. imagine no, can't see it globally. it does not to be the exact match for the global occasion.
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as you can see from the, usually the usa and that you to be in the unit is just some very, very small commons. but it's in the end of the day implicitly accepting the promises that happened that took place in the b. so they need to know that they know that the cancer does not read that back a lot of attention and then they can still survive. how the, the you election observed the mission to mozambique know to the regular hours history and counting and unjustifiable alteration of election results of public stations. as we said at the beginning of the program, the countries association of catholic bishops rejected the results to legend. cases of balance stuffing and force result sheets as little doubt but that something was going on with with the election, but withholding 50 percent of those on big population being on the 19 and below the full the legal voting age. could the timeframe, do you think have been enough to skew the results, particularly of the of,
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of the presidential election less than i did. i think the big one, the this is not a problem of this moment because the whole of the paper works and what the government's. ringback needs to make people seem to be to be able to vote in everything settled. right. the numbers, it's all fiction. the problem is for the notice of debt to the conclusion of doesn't those results listed that mission, administration election day was just giving them benefits approval benefits to the for me, that's the main concern for all these issues on good results. there is nothing
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relating to the dangerous because we can see young people's in the streets because young people have the car, the people he's claiming all this results. there's nothing relating to that. of course, the social, the peasant people, we do have the responsibilities on those young people that's easy inside of the home is, but it's one strict properly to get resolved. because the governments have seen that before to understand exactly what the numbers could be in the future. so now the problem, it's that it is finished the probably right answer and then goes to tional coat. they was actually giving and she has like a advantage for the part you know, just to ensure that they can let the chain of power then frontier. i'd like you to if you can tell us who dial chapel is president to like to drop
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a. why was he chosen as, as for the most presidential candidates, given that he's relatively unknown? how could could someone like him of, of one such a landslide victory or yeah, i mean you, your question is, what is actually in seeking. a lot of them is bekins. they, to the extent that the states and even there, i mean amendment and most of the social media you can find a lot of people think about that. how is it possible? but i mean, your for asked the why did they choose chapel as someone that relatively unknown and they use that even if the person is not due when the election. it's precisely because, you know that john done an estimate of the kind of didn't flip the news. he was also in the agree, i know him so awesome. president gift was that the people fall would i mean the
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present to the full, the newest, whether or not. but he also wanted a 2019 bi line slide slide visually bigsby, so that they have an effective machine that will allow the person a old to unknown to, to we in the process. so this also speaks to the fact that elections in mozambique if been stop, get to manipulation from the very beginning. so they don't necessarily need to pick up someone. and that is already known by the d flange. who did the, the, the credentials are already very strong. so this is, it speaks to the much the broad machinery that operates in doing collections in the big. and so that's, that's what it, what it believes in how, how that sort of touched upon it. and in her report, right, so at the beginning it tell us why white people are so dissatisfied with fully, but they use it in particular. and when, when did that, dissatisfaction begin?
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i some of the very beginning wanted to actually say that this is just one of the crises that some of the biggest spacing approximately political crisis didn't. you know, the political practice don't just yeah, this is it. i mean, it's not as long as the center in the conference that for selected are buyers. you know, we have a conflict and none of them beat eh, with, i mean the, and the so called is not a concert just with me as soon to be very, very correct and unable to go into the fact of me and it causes is due on ongoing and this is the 7th and all 66000 people have lost their lives. so we, we also have very high level of that of the, of the team as and be 95 percent of the household and it doesn't be a pool. so this is a fairly complicated matter in mozambique it's been suffering from the devastating
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5 months we had the site. can she do it recently? but we also had kennedy, we had it dying, we had many out of 5 to that actually. and affecting production of it in agriculture and songs on, on top of that, we had school videos that go with 19 that increased over there. okay. in the area that people were not able to play that song. so they'll take the garage in cages as well. hm. guys, in one of your pieces i, i've watched before and you spoke about corruption cases involved with the beacon and i'll see you shortly for by 9 minutes things on the portal. okay, so that perhaps in case well publicized everybody watch the tv and we could understand how dealing change corruption is we've been that they've what is the lima and the guy presents that? and of course, you also mentioned, yeah,
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the fact that the video that we have today does not have any connection with most of the beats the lima versus movement. not even with lima, with the now f, a t, a n t for some others. no, i'm sorry, i'm sorry for up to be present to the state where we're rapidly running out of time . i want to get to questions to both before the program ends. how to tell us something about a but actually a one lane. i know he's not the leader of your policy but, but why have so many people backing him for presidents and by most on big particularly the young. listen, the not sure it's popular because it's a, i didn't plan. does he got that? because as a, as a complement, it is i'm holding to the social issue. and i have to remember, you don't need before the to be not, you was even after this and he was in. so he was always seen side the people to be sure that is why i think comes over, but it's, it's also religious,
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but the issue that you're not you have facing with right now about how the head speed you try. because on this issue, people was dressing when i'm way at all, and i think that's what i'm going to do. the end of the train probably that they need to make the change on time. and the was fighting to keep them power. besides, we know exactly because you do go to deals with the for the move on. so this kind of deals then somebody goes with the for was changing the shows that gains to right now. right. because of the balances members of for now those people was claiming disabilities. well, so who was not guiding the party in the driveway?
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this so what happened to the nice, you and tom the nice you've been to the earliest because every now most president he's and when she was playing the concerning does, he wasn't living for yeah. was or say for the members and was in house of how i get the i'm sorry, most of them have, i'm sorry to interrupt you again, but we're almost out of time and i want to get one more question and i took to friction. we touched upon this at the beginning of the program for us. why is support for full of freedom fights is dwindling right now across the region. yes, i mean, why? because you don't do this for the digital national aspect of age, because like i say, the kind of you give almost completely disconnected to the majority of you today with the, i mean with the both of age have almost a complete disconnection from,
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with the narrative of the negotiation and to be look at what the government that is doing kind of the and it moves them. and if you are, we also have seen that the same thing happening. and so that's, i got the same, the disgruntlement of app happening in the, in the region, but find the use instead of doing it using betting that the machine, they ever proxy losing votes. because people judging based, adjusting the performance of the government, may be based on what they see. and what they're seeing today is what we have said. yeah, very high levels of corruption, mas installation pulver t and enjoyment, and the number of ada classes that these movements i'm not capable of resolving the gentleman. i'm afraid we're going to have to read that manufacturing date to you both for being with us for us and getting a at how to mendoza. and thank you for watching. don't forget,
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