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the damage could be irreversible mala have a much a bit. i'll just, there are no, you're celebrations. are taking place across the world. the, the in indonesia, more than one 150000 people flocked to central jakarta to welcome 2025. they were treated to a fire work spectacle, the home phone, the new year celebrations included a 12 minute fire work show that lit up the sky above victoria harbor. tens of thousands watched the show. people were also treated to a star studded music concert. the australians kicked off 2025 with one of the biggest firework shows on earth. more
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limits to have a dream container sta in your own adventure now counter and wayne. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question with yet another. and then another push for diplomacy. is there a chance for real ceasefire and gossip? let's get to the bottom line. the diplomacy is back on the table after months of stalemate and israel's war and gossip. the situation on the ground gets worse much worse for the millions of palestinians stuck there with no place to go. and no place that safe and just no end in sight. after us president elect donald trump demanded that as real as hostages and gaza be returned before he assumes office next year, efforts to reach a ceasefire are resuming. now the questions are canada he'll be reached before tom
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gets the keys to the white house and the us military arsenal. what are the obstacles and what would it mean for the future of the palestinians and israelis? and today we're coming to you from the 22nd, doha for him. we're leaders and experts from around the world are coming together to discuss global challenges. and we're talking with daniel levy if the emory advisor to the israeli government and current president of the us middle east peace project. daniel, thanks so much for joining us today. listen, ceasefire is now what we're all talking about again after not talking about it for quite a while, no one believed is real. was serious, particularly when you have the negotiator of hamas. each male honey i actually assassinated and you also had one more from us leader, us and more assassinated. do you think there's anything different right now in the atmosphere about a possible ceasefire between israel and how much and god bottom line is according to price. steve? no, i don't, we have a shift in what's going on in the lab and there's a broad, uh,
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regional sense of movement. you, of course, have the outcome of the elections in the united states about the fundamentals when it comes to the israel gauze. israel from most israel, palestinian dynamic have not shifted. and those fundamentals, all these really side shows no interest. and in fact, politically is set to dentist any of the terms that would make possible of an actual ceasefire breakthrough. and steve, we've been here so many times. what is happening to is real internally. i've known you for decades now. i know you were involved with the geneva initiatives. you work for us in failing. you worked harder than anyone else. i know over the years to bring some just resolution to this conflict. but as you're watching this unfold, we were just talking about a case of as a sniper drone, essentially
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a drone that take shots and individuals that are within a kill zone. and we're seeing and national public radio and the united states reports of women, or walking close to windows, who are shot at or shot actually by a leaf autonomous weapon system that has no human being judging where this is going on. i'm just sitting as an is really, who's been part of this process? what does that feel like? so let separate some of these things out because there's a part of this, which is, as you just framed it, steve, most impossible to wrap one's head around the degree of indifference. the degree of, of, of loss, of any sense of a grounding in morality, decency, dignity, and if i can talk about for one second, because what you reference that in terms of the use of
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a technology in terms of this is really operation and goals are being the cutting edge of what i feeling we could say is coming to a was o ne, you coming to a city near you all to bated i, i, i driven robotic killer technology. part of the story here is the palestine palestinians, all the killing fields, testing ground 0 for some of this technology. and i fear the there are companies involved in this, and there is really commercial interest who are saying, hey, look, we can show you how great this stuff is. and that should be all the say, how terrifying illegal, and immediately in need of addressing. i'm finding this stuff is we were told earlier in this conflict in an expos 8 by the 97 to magazine. and i think the guardian was involved in it as well. of a targeting software,
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a targeting technology that was being used qu, lavender, which created this massive data back a potential target which led to israel being in the i c j on the charge of genocide because it led to this mass killing. and now we're seeing these killer drones being used. so i should say not only with the killer drones, but we've got is really a defense forces, military forces actually saying leave or die, leave a zone or die, leave north guys or die. and it just raises the question then are we all you mentioned, genocide of the us government continues to say this, this does not meet the uh, the characterization of either ethnic cleansing or genocide. and i'm just wondering what would, if you have a lead for di, edict and you've got least the lot on them, is weapons that are killing people indiscriminately without a human being involved in that targeting. and,
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and you see everything to do with the reality on the ground that you see the itself incriminating statements, postings on social media of is really military. by the way, you see the former deputy national security advisor taking to social media or guy could around it see on saying the implementation of this general's plan, the salvation the, the population. the killings in northern garza saying do not obeyed these orders. are they all criminal? you see the full chief of stuff and minister of defense alone, an absolute weak saying this is now reaching the stage of criminality. you see an israel that doesn't want to know the truth. you see, in his rate he media mobilized to incite its own
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public in many instances, to support for crimes business really channel close to the government channel. 14. there is a well talk to meant to now file that has been sent to the attorney general by is ready to write scripts of how these channel 14 it's hosted panelists each style talents have been calling for ethnic cleansing, genocide, war crimes, mass killings. one brave is ready, john list relative to okay on a different channel showed the reality in gauze. she was castigated, he was attacked from all angles, you're ruining things, you'll preventing all victory. so there are a lot of things going on here. steve. one of them is when you do schuman eyes or people for long enough, which is unfortunately, these rated realities of eat, the palestinians, when you build me, and therefore you don't have that icon types. so people on the scene is human and
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crucially state. when you are given carte blanche to do so, when you are treated by your allies and by the most powerful states in the world with impunity, so you can get away with it. this is where it needs you, but i do want to say this. there are, and i've just quoted a couple there are some in israel who perhaps i'm not going to win any awards for their efforts to reach human eyes, palestinians. but at some visceral level, they realize that something isn't going right. they realize that the social contract internally has been broken when you no longer give a damn about these railways being held. they realize that you'll know, actually going to get total victory. that you're not going to get security if you do this to palestinians because all your crating is doing is generating more and
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more much more inability of israel to be accepted by the region that lives in that doesn't translate yet into a kind of alternative politics. that's not supremacist supremacist, it's not a pond side that i would like to see. right, but seems not going swimmingly. well, one of the changes changes in the political topography right now has been the election of donald trump in the white house and he did tweed out that there will be all hell to pay if the hostages are not released. and in some senses, i think is really prime minister. netanyahu got what he wanted, he wanted to see the biden calmly. harris ticket go down and wanted to possibly see donald trump come into office. don't you think it's some level though you've rejected the notion of a ceasefire? that netanyahu has to flirt with a ceasefire? because donald trump, once that, is there a political dimension there?
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that opens an unexpected door, i think is absolutely correct. to say that not in youngers preference, historically has been for republican leadership in the us. he made that coalition way back, including with the christian evangelical, right. this has been a bet the ultimately has enough types paid off to him and he knows that the g o p. the republican ecosystem is the importance of that dispensation list christian, evangelical pro great origin. well, he knows what the don't clause looks like. he loves what the congressional cool cuz looks like he knows that even if the bite and administration was way out of sync with the constituency that, that ultimately was going to be a problem box. and it's an in p e. caveat biden was really convenient for nothing. yahoo, and let me explain why not on your web. the luxury of being able to say, look at me tough guy,
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i'm sending off the president of the united states who's not really with us. these democrats, you comp trust them, but i'm such a bad ass that i can stare down the americans, and despite that pressure, i can twist that will to do what i want. now that's a fabrication biden has been as bad if it's it's the and the seattle really played out for nothing. yeah. which has gotten him to a place where he's made it through these 40 and i'm what's more very not in the context of that. um seattle with bite not young who could occasionally tell the most fall right elements that he's co issue. we need one to 2 when he needed to guys we can't do that. i'm. i've got this really sensitive thing that i'm working on with the americans, and you could blame the americans by the way, that might be part of the story of the ceasefire and 11. okay. which looks very
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different when it comes. the goal is that because these rated coalition political dynamics for nothing, yahoo a different when it comes to anything to do with the palestinians. cuz country to what most people like to think, which is a ryan, is the big thing for his rel, no stealing palestinian land dispossession, palestinians expanding israel has always been the driving se. okay. the problem. so nothing, yahoo potentially on the trump is it? it could be stabilized that balance within his own politics because some of the trump world is going to be strengthening the small churches, the bank of is and it's not, but nothing out who doesn't ultimately align with them ideologically, but nothing yahoo may see a different time table a different way of doing things a different way of managing this. so trump comes along through social watch out, you know, the bad guy in the sheriff's back in town. i'm aust nelson's at the moment so nothing. yeah, that's fine. he's threatening homos. but really what him and truck had told him, do we need to do the exact book, but what, what's the,
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what needs to be on what they've done? right. i'm not saying that things can get more dreadful. okay. we, we, we followed this trajectory of, of how this has been full palestinians in gauze. but the idea that there is this new threat level. and i'm also going to capitulate. this is people who are not paying attention. there is no total victory. how must have set out tom's the, the west and he is. this may be hard to hear, but those times actually a line with what the watch was calling for. you let these ratings go. they'll be a present as well. israel should withdrawal from gauze a keep goals, a home that you met, a german assistant should go in that quite close the lines with the almost position . it doesn't align a tool with a nothing yahoo position. and i don't think the threat of the new sheriff is going to create a capitulation. and these i see file on toms exclusively of is rose, dictating what dan, of the rest of the international order and is real. and even amnesty international
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who has come out very harsh words just days ago and said there is absolutely no doubt. this is janice side on our i phones, you know, we're seeing it in real time. you've had resignation to the united states state department and the department of defense of people who could not with in good conscience, stay and be part of a system that continued to turn a blind eye to that genocide. you've seen the warrants for arrest, for the defense minister, former defense minister of israel, and of course, prime minister netanyahu, where is international law, international norms and the kind of broader washington licensing brought a washington with the broader global conscience at this moment. it's right, and you've had many of the most prominent international and jewish genocide scholars coming out and saying, he often reluctantly didn't want to draw all these conclusions. almost goldberg,
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who's a professor at hebrew university. i really nice one of the founders of human rights, which during these conclusions. so you have this compelling growing body of evidence. you have the international court of justice warning on provisional measures. it hasn't made its final designation. but international law or of course, does not self employment. what it does is it creates an environment in which we pull up. right. and i think this is the crucial things to west with this claim to be the holder of a rules based system of international law. on the architecture, which is a fragile architecture, what the west has decided apparently is the, creating an exception around israel's behavior is, was taking an extra one of those, all the things i'm doing that ability once you write well, the price great team is missive environment. i think we will live to
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regret the price of that box and this is absolutely crucial. it's a world where the geo politics are shifting. it is not a well of american uni polar predominance and pre eminence. it is a world where you are a peace sleeping. great. it is a world where mid level powers as well as china, india, a novice, have a say. i think recently for me, p quarters of the global south part of what they're saying is we co go along with an order that cannot be pursued across the board. we are going to challenge you in some way south africa will go to
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the i, c, j. the number of countries have followed that all a number of countries a cooling for, as well as expulsion from the us for an alms export. for sports that we see the public in your psych no, no, no. don't want to tell us these programs. this is anti semitism. if the foot boarding will forward these on going to kick is around out for it's criminality. then when the funds come and shop they, genocide will slow goods. we will not let that pulse. this is not going to be normal sport. so you see all of this happening and i think the questionnaire for becomes what is the tipping point? a many people may look at it and say, look, daniel, 14 month seen everything we've seen, ignoring these cool warnings. now with the administration, we're going to have in the us and we've many western countries doubling down and say nothing to see here. anyone who has
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a problem with this is apparently has an anti semitic condoms. no jewish communities need to stand up to this as well because it is very bad news for everyone, including jude's. i would say no, it doesn't mean that there's no tipping point. we're not there yet, we have more what to do. we've got to create the conditions in which a combination of refusal to accept this in the west and global south states pushing back creates that tipping point. but i think it's so it raises a question. what you're saying about palestinian justice in some dream may be fantasy autonomy. one day about what happens when trump comes into office in united states and turns back to saudi arabia turns back to the abraham accords in this normalization process that, that they help launch very vigorously with is real. whether or not there's a point at which palestine just drops off the required list page for normalization
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. does palestine get betrayed by error of states? again, you have to put the word again. you can do a sentence because this is, this is a rich and troubling history. but let's look at it through that lens because we had those normalization a costs and month softer. those normalization. of course you had one of the most important events, the palestinian unity in default in may 2021. and 2 years later you have up to the 7th. and here we are at the end of 2024. so have the normalization codes pushed palestine off the agenda? i don't think so. now. i called speak for saudi intentions. i think the reality that exists today is not a simple reality for anybody in saudi arabia to say,
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it's fine, we can forget about all of that. let's move forward. that will be the decision to make whatever way that decision goes easy. therefore, going to translate into the palestinians, being willing to accept, to formalize a system that is already a part of what it doesn't have, these, the formal palestinian national movement improvement tool that we will happily run your bantustans. thank you. mazda, we have a very weak, very discredited. it was already on representative palestinian political authority at the bottom. but can't do that. so it's people, will it survive if it does that to its people? i doubt it. and therefore, well the realities is that the palestinians are still that living in desperate inequality, living under the pato, anchorage, living you know, reality where partition is driving towards this dentist. and i think we have to re
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imagine not in a pollyanna sion i eat way. but the reality that and this isn't pull the reality, that is way to choose on cutting any way that palestinians on going anywhere the palestinians living without rights is not a recipe for anyone's security. and therefore it is going to be addressed. i hope it can be addressed without the blot in sarah of the last year. but i think it will ultimately be addressed in a way where palestinian rights are restored. a regime of ethics supremacy is removed. and under those conditions, these rages may actually live in peace because palestinians are living with that, right. and that take the dom, that please. i'm going to ask this question carefully because i've always seen you as realist, realistic on this crisis, but hopeful and having a vision. and you've been consistent with that over the years. just finally,
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if you were to be surprisingly called by people who have responsibility for this portfolio, what would you advise them in this moment? i actually think the direction they will take. 6 is a direction which may feel like a sugar rush initially to is re lease. but when they sink longer and harder about it, us is surrounded by canadians, mexicans and fish, right of israel is surrounded by a middle east. that is finding it ever more difficult to absorb. i cannot observe if the palestinians are going to be kept in the state of perpetual insecurity dispossession. and everything else that we see and these real does not have endless supplies of reservists. it doesn't have any call to me that can sustain this kind of will feeling will for thing, it doesn't have a resistance economy. so i think really is really vulnerabilities have been exposed
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that i hope lead to a change of mind. well, daniel levy, president of us middle east project, thank you for your candor and thank you for being with us today at the doha for him . great to be with the steve as i taking. and so what's the bottom line? there is a theory in political science called the madman theory, basically where a powerful leader acts. so one predictably, and so we're rationally, it is behavior encourages rivals and even allies to just get out of the way. ronald reagan was seen as someone more aggressive and more unpredictable than his predecessor jimmy carter. so before reagan came to the white house, iran release, the american hostages, that it had taken during your ronnie and revolution. 444 days before trump seems to think he can work the same dynamic with a mouse and is real. no one knows if it will work, but what we do know for sure is it even if the hostages are released. and even if a ceasefire is reached, the terms won't be ideal for the palestinians. the in balance of power is just too
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great. and the historical injustice is that the palestinians live under aren't going away with donald trump for without. and that's the bottom line, the phone, counting the cost to official intelligence. will it drive exclusive economic growth or is it just type companies around the world? a weighing up, a ice cost less. how government? so pushing for the technologies, regulation for the beneficial team on the seat, counting the cost on which is 0. the sun rises really up to the here, the history was written. the nature became theory is here, the
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the thunderstorms and freezing weather, worse than conditions and gauze as make shift camps 7 palestinians, including 6 babies frozen to death. the hello i'm how much is room this is i'll just hear a lie from doing. also coming up, the head of serious new administration meets christian leaders in damascus. i made calls to guarantee minority rights. the us says it's conducted airstrikes against ruthie targets in you.

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