she's been displaced several times back home and said she and her family had no choice but to leave west dawson. and i see that we were in our village and had below. there was a conflicts that we then had to see to janina. there was fighting there as well, so we had no choice but to come to chat. finding food along the way was tough. that joined by hundreds of thousands out is all escaping a wall. that is not then making this cons was supposed to be temporary. now there are more than $200000.00. so that means if you do, the government is relocating then to another comp about a 100 kilometers from here. but some of the refugees say that's too far. i don't deny he arrived in july last year. he fled from elena, also in west dar from this situation. uh is uh in need of a basic uh, daily needs on the number it says. so if you to yeah,

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there's no limit to have a dream container. stuff in your own adventure, you know, counter and things a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question with yet another. and then another push for diplomacy. is there a chance for real ceasefire and gossip? let's get to the bottom line. the diplomacy is back on the table after months of stalemate and israel's worn gossip. the situation on the ground gets worse much worse for the millions of palestinians stuck there with no place to go, and no place that safe and just no end in sight. after us president elect donald trump demanded that as real as hostages and gaza be returned before he assumes

office next year, efforts to reach a ceasefire are resuming. now the questions are canada you'll be reached before tom gets the keys to the white house and the us military arsenal. what are the obstacles and what would it mean for the future of the palestinians and israelis? today we're coming to you from the 22nd. doha for him, were leaders and experts from around the world are coming together to discuss global challenges. and we're talking with daniel levy if the emory advisor to the israeli government and current president of the us middle east peace project. daniel, thanks so much for joining us. today listen, ceasefire is now what we're all talking about again after not talking about it for quite a while, no one believed is real with serious, particularly when you have the negotiator of hamas. ishmael honey, i actually assassinated and you also had one more hamas leader us in more assassinated. do you think there's anything different right now in the atmosphere about a possible ceasefire between israel and how much and god bottom lines are going to

phrase steve? no, i don't. we have a shift in what's going on 11. there's a broad, uh, regional sense of movement. you, of course, have the outcome of the elections in the united states about the fundamentals when it comes to the israel gauze. israel from most israel, palestinian dynamic have not shifted. and those fundamentals, all these really side shows no interest. and in fact, politically is set to dentist any of the terms that would make possible an actual ceasefire breakthrough. and steve, we've been here so many times. what is happening to is real internally. i've known you for decades now. i know you were involved with the geneva initiatives you worked for using failing. you worked harder than anyone else. i know over the years

to bring some just resolution to this conflict. but as you're watching this unfold, we were just talking about a case of as a sniper drone, essentially a drone that take shots and individuals that are within a kill zone. and we're seeing and national public radio and the united states reports of women, or walking close to windows, who are shot at or shot actually by a leaf autonomous weapon system that has no human being judging where this is going on. i'm just sitting as an, as really, who's been part of this process. what does that feel like? so let separate some of these things out because there's a part of this, which is, as you just framed it, steve, most impossible to rep one's head around the degree of indifference. the degree of, of, of loss of any sense of a grounding in morality, decency, dignity,

and if i can talk about for one second. because what you reference that in terms of the use of a technology in terms of vis is radio operation and gaza being the cutting edge of what i've seen that we could say is coming to a was o ne, you coming to a city near you automated i am driven robotic killer technology. part of the story here is the palestine palestinians, all the killing fields, testing ground 0 for some of this technology. and i fear that there are companies involved in this, and there is really commercial interest who are saying, hey, look, we can show you how great this stuff is. and they should be off the say, how terrifying illegal and immediately in need of addressing i'm finding this

stuff is we were told early in this conflict in an expos a by the 97 to magazine. and i think the guardian was involved in it as well. of a targeting software, a targeting a technology that was being used qu, lavender, which created this massive data back of potential talk which, which led to israel being in the i c j on the charge of genocide because it led to this mass killing. and now we're seeing these killer drones being used. so i should say not only with the killer drones, but we've got is really a defense forces, military forces actually saying leave or die, leave a zone or die, leave north guys or die. and it just raises the question then are we all you mentioned, genocide of the us government continues to say this, this does not meet the uh, the characterization of either ethnic cleansing or genocide. and i'm just wondering what would, if you have a lead for di,

edict and you've got least the locked on them, is weapons that are killing people indiscriminately without a human being involved in that targeting. and, and you see everything to do with the reality on the ground that you see or the itself incriminating statements, postings on social media of is really military. by the way, you see the former deputy national security adviser taking to social media or guy could around it see on saying the implementation of this general's plan, the salvation the, the population. the killings in northern garza saying do not obeyed these orders. they all criminal. you see the full chief of staff and minister of defense will be alone, an absolute weak saying this is now reaching the stage of criminality. you see an israel that

doesn't want to know the truth you're seeing is really media mobilized to incite its own topic, in many instances, to support for crimes business really channel close to the government channel. 14, there is a well, don't q meant to now file that has been sent to the attorney general buys ready to write scripts of how this channel 40 it's hosted. panelists it stall, talents, have been calling for ethnic cleansing, genocide, war crimes, mass killings. one brave is ready to john list revenue to okay on a different channel showed the reality in gaus. he was castigated. he was attacked from all angles, you're ruining things, you'll preventing all victory. so there are a lot of things going on here, steve. one of them is when you do schuman eyes or people for long enough,

which is unfortunately, these rating reality. basically the power steering is when you build me and therefore you don't have that icon types. so people aren't seen as human and crucially stakes. when you are given carte blanche to do so, when you are treated by your allies and by the most powerful states in the world with impunity, so you can get away with it. this is where it needs you, but i do want to say this. there are, and i've just quoted a copy there was somebody in his room who perhaps are not going to win any awards for their efforts to reach humanized palestinians. but at some visceral level, they realize that something isn't going right. they realize that the social contract internally has been broken when you no longer give a damn about these railways being held. they realized that you're not actually

going to get total victory, or that you're not going to get security if you do this to palestinians because all you're creating is doing is generating more and more much more inability of israel to be accepted by the region that lives in that doesn't translate yet into a kind of alternative politics. that's not supremacist supremacist. it's not a pond side that i would like to see. right. but seems not going swimmingly. well, one of the changes changes in the political topography right now has been the election of donald trump in the white house and he did tweed out that there will be all hell to pay if the hostages are not released. and in some senses, i think is really prime minister. netanyahu got what he wanted. he wanted to see the binding calmly. harris ticket go down and wanted to possibly see donald trump come into office. don't you think it's some level though you've rejected the notion

of a ceasefire? that netanyahu has to flirt with a cease fire because donald trump once that, is there a political dimension there? that opens an unexpected door, i think is absolutely correct. to say that not in youngers preference, historically has been full republican leadership in the us. he made that coalition way back, including with the christian evangelical, right. this has been a bit the ultimately has enough types of paid off the him and he knows that the g o p. the republican ecosystem is the importance of that dispensation list christian, evangelical pro great origin. well, he knows what the don't the clause looks like. he loves what the congressional cool cuz looks like he knows that even if the bite and administration was way out of sync with the constituency that that ultimately was going to be a problem box. and it's an a p e. cause yeah, biden was really convenient for nothin yahoo and let me explain why not

on your web. the luxury of being able to say, look at me tough guy. i'm sending off the president of the united states who's not really with us. these democrats, you comp trust them, but i'm such a bad ass then i can stare down the americans, and despite that pressure, i can twist that will to do what i want. now that's a fabrication biden has been as bad if it's it's the and the seattle really played out for nothing. yeah. which is golf name to a place where he's made it through these 40 and i'm what's more very not in the context of that. um seattle, with vide not at yahoo, could occasionally tell the most fall right elements of he's co issue when he wants you to, when he needed to guys, we can't do that. i'm,

i've got this really sensitive things that i'm working on with the americans. and you could blame the americans, by the way, that might be part of the story of the ceasefire and 11. okay. which looks very different when it comes to gauze because these rated coalition political dynamics for nothing. yahoo! a different when it comes to anything to do with the palestinians. cuz country to what most people like to think which is a ryan is the big thing for his role. no. stealing palestinian land dispossession, palestinians expanding israel has always been the driving thing. okay. the problem so nothing yahoo potentially on the trump is it, it could be stabilized that balance within his own politics because some of the trump world is going to be straight. think the small churches, the bank of is and it's not that nothing yahoo doesn't ultimately align with them ideologically, but nothing yahoo may see a different time table, a different way of doing things a different way of managing this. so trump comes along through social watch out, you know, the bad guy in the sheriff's back in town,

almost nelson still at the moment so nothing. yeah, that's fine. he's threatening. come off. but really what him and truck and told him, do we need to fix that? so, but what, what do what you need to do beyond what they've done, right? i'm not saying the things can get more dreadful. okay. we've, we've, we've followed this trajectory of, of how this has been full palestinians in gauze. but the idea that there's this new threat level, and i'm also going to put a picture like this is people who are not paying attention, there is no total victory. how must have set out tom's the for west and he is. this may be hard to hear, but those times actually a line with what the watch was calling for. you let these riley's go, they'll be a present as well. israel should withdrawal from gauze a keep cause a whole issue manager and assistant should go in. that quite closely aligns with the homeless position. it doesn't align a tool with a nothing yahoo position. and i don't think the threat of the new sheriff is going to create a capitulation. and these i see file on terms exclusively of is rose,

dictating what then of the rest of the international order and is real. and even amnesty international who has come out very hard for just days ago and said there is absolutely no doubt this is genocide on or i phones, you know, we're seeing it in real time. but you've had resignation to the united states state department and the department of defense of people who could not with in good conscience, stay and be part of a system. the continued to turn a blind eye. that genocide you've seen the warrants for arrest for the defense minister, former defense minister of israel. and of course, prime minister netanyahu, where is international law, international norms and the kind of broader washington licensing brought to washington. but the broader global conscience at this moment. it's right, and you've had many of the most prominent international and jewish genocide

scholars coming out and citing often reluctantly. i didn't want to draw all this conclusion. almost. goldberg, who's a professor at hebrew university area now uh, one of the founders of human rights, which during these conclusions. so you have this compelling growing body of evidence. you have the international court of justice warning on provisional measures. it hasn't made its final designation. but international law or of course, does not self employment. what it does is it creates an environment in which we pull up. right. and i think this is the crucial things to west with this claim to be the holder of a news based system of international law. on the architecture, which is a fragile architecture, what the west has decided apparently is the, creating an exception around israel's behavior is,

was taking an extra one of those, all the things i'm doing that ability. once you write water price creating this missive environment. i think we will live to regret the price of that box and this is absolutely crucial. it's a world where the geo politics are shifting. it is not a well of american uni polar predominance and pre eminence. it is a world where you're a piece slipping. great. it is a world where mid level powers as well as china, india, a novice, have a say. i think recently for me p quotas of the global south part of what they're saying is we co go along with an order that cannot be pursued across the

board. we are going to challenge you in some way south africa will go to the i c, j. the number of countries have followed that all a number of countries, according for israel's expulsion from the un for an alms x full force boots that we see the public in your site. no, no, no no. to tell us these, these poke rooms. this is anti semitism, if the foot building or forty's on going to kick is round out for it's criminality . then when the fans come and shop the genocidal slow goods, we will not let that pulse. this is not going to be normal sport. so you see all of this happening? i think the questionnaire for becomes, what is the tipping point? a many people may look at it and say, look, daniel, 14 month seen everything we've seen ignoring these cool warnings. now with the

administration, we're going to have in the us, and we've many western countries doubling down and say nothing to see here. anyone who has a problem with this is apparently has an anti semitic condoms. no jewish communities need to stand up to this as well. because it is very bad news for everyone, including jude's, i would say no, it doesn't mean that there's no tipping point. we're not there yet. we have more work to do. we've got to create the conditions in which a combination of refusal to accept this in the west and global south states pushing back creates that tipping point. but i think it's so it raises a question. what you're saying about palestinian justice in some dream may be fantasy autonomy. one day about what happens when trump comes into office in united states and turns back to saudi arabia turns back to the abraham accords. and this

normalization process that, that they help launch very vigorously with is real. whether or not there's a point at which palestine just drops off the required list page for normalization . does palestine get betrayed by arab states? again, you have to put the word again. you can think through a sentence because this is, this is a rich and troubling history. but let's look at it through that lens because we had those normalization, of course, and month soft to those normalization of quotes. you had one of the most important events, the palestinian unity in default in may 2021. and 2 years later you have october 7th, and here we are at the end of 2024. so has the normalization of codes pushed the palestine off the agenda?

i don't think so. no, i called speak for saudi intentions. i think the reality that exists today is not a simple reality for any lead in saudi arabia to say, it's fine, we can forget about all of that. let's move forward. that will be the decision to make whatever way that decision goes easy. therefore, going to translate into the palestinians being willing to accept, to formalize a system that is already a part when he doesn't have these, the formal palestinian national movement improvement tool that we will happily run your bantustans. thank you. mazda, we have a very weak, very discredited. it was already on representative palestinian political authority at the bottom. but can't do that. so it's people, will it survive if it does that to its people? i doubt it. and therefore, well the realities is that the palestinians are still that living in desperate

inequality, living under the pato, anchorage, living in a reality where partition is driving towards this dentist. and i think we have to re imagine not in a poly amish, nice way. but the reality that and this isn't pull the reality that is ready to jews aren't coming any way that palestinians ongoing any way. the palestinians living without rights is not a recipe for any one's security. and therefore it is going to be address. i hope it can be addressed without the beloved in flora of the last year. but i think it will ultimately be addressed in a way where palestinian rights are restored. a regime of ethics supremacy is removed and under those conditions, these regular jews may actually live in peace because palestinians are living with that right genetic that the in that please. i'm gonna ask this question carefully

because i've always seen you as realist, realistic on this crisis, but hopeful and having a vision. and you've been consistent with that over the years. just finally. and if you were to be surprisingly called by people who have responsibility for this portfolio, what would you advise them in this moment? i actually think the direction they will take. 6 is a direction which may feel like a sugar rush initially to is re lease. but when they sink longer and harder about it, us just surrounded by canadians. mexicans in fish, right of israel is surrounded by a middle east. that is finding it ever more difficult to observe and cannot observe . if the palestinians are going to be kept in the state of perpetual insecurity dispossession and everything else that we see and israel does not have endless supplies of reservists,

he does have an economy that can sustain this kind of will feeling will for thing. it doesn't have a resistance economy, so i think really is really vulnerabilities have been exposed that i hope lead to a change of mind. well jen, you'll be the president of us middle east project. thank you for your candor and thank you for being with us today. at the doha for him. great to be with steve as i thank you. so what's the bottom line? there is a theory in political science called the madman theory. basically, we're a powerful leader act. so one predictably, and so we're rationally, it is behavior encourages rivals and even allies to just get out of the way. ronald reagan was seen as someone more aggressive and more unpredictable than his predecessor jimmy carter. so before reagan came to the white house, iran released the american hostages that it had taken during your ronnie and revolution. 444 days before. trump seems to think he can work the same dynamic with a mouse and is real. no one knows if it will work,

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