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of the limits to how far the dream contains sta in your own adventure. now counter air waves the . ready i'm sammy's a van with a look at the headlines here in del ha. now one of the northern gauze has lost hospitals. these under attack by is ready forces. demetri is ordered the immediate evacuation of the indonesian hospital medic say that unable to move severely injured patients and are appealing for help. many of those inside the hospital will move from the can not allowed one hospital before it was burned down and destroyed
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the you and says, attacks on hospitals system and deliver it elsewhere in gaza. at least 35 found the students have been killed in his right. he rides in gauze as in store. and most of those were killed in central areas. more than 45000 people, including 17000 children and being killed in the was until october 2023 human rights groups including amnesty international sites. if it ends up being targeted and all describing the conflict. as a genocide thought, a cab i assume has more from that is about in central garza. this is a new dramatic, a ton of defense in the north has systematically now they use for the military. is that trying to put the medical facilities in the north house for service especially that then using hosp with them has been multiple. he stormed by the, it's been
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a military different medical department where destroyed our fills out are still patients inside, including a patients 5 children and 10 medical teams who are waiting to be effectuated to causes the to the mechanism is still unknown. whether they're going to be transported, always actuated by i'm, she lenses or on 4th, which could raise up, arise more significant questions about the safety and even the phase. is there any man entry is killed to john list and separate as strikes of cross garza? and as many days a funeral for one of the weight was held on friday morning at the, along to the hospital, indebted by that brings a total number of journalists. immediate work is killed in gauze as since october 2023 to 202 is rather has been repeatedly accused of deliberately targeting and kidding gen, unless the foreign ministers of france and germany have arrived in the syrian capital of the diplomatic talks about the shuttle has new administration,
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frances jonathan battle, and germany is alaina, bab bulk representing the european union into the baskets. but all mets with christian religious leaders, it's the highest level visit from the european union since they have some governments toppling last month. yeah. i'm from one of them was a little less than a month ago. new hope was born thanks to the mobilization of syrians, the hype of a silver and stable and peaceful syria. but the aspirations of syrians can be fulfilled. it is a real hope for this, but it's a fragile heart. today, more than ever. front stands along side, syria and the syrians. to make this hope, a reality is riley strikes of hates area south of alaska, and the latest attack in serious and so full of the acid regime syrian stay television. so the strong, strong defense and research facilities in the town of sophia as well as being, carrying out strikes on serious instead of a 12 by shadow. i said last month,
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satellite images of reveal these, right? the army is moving beyond the occupied golden heights and reinforcing its presence in the syrian town of life at all since the toppling over side last month. these righty army is also shows that protest is and is had a ground presence in the city. south korean investigate is a file to arrest suspended president you and suck you officer an owl as long stand off at his residence. and corruption team says making the arrest was, quote, effectively impossible, with you and security team preventing the entry around $3000.00 police officers were deployed in front of you ins, home, money, or on friday. you ins. residential pals was suspended last month after a short lived declaration. of martial law. it's those i a headlines. the news continues here and i'll just say era off the bottom
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line and you can keep up to date with all the stories that you have. it's all just 0. don't com the hi. i'm steve clements and i have a question with the us distracted in the middle east. and despite from his bluster about a new trade war with china, this trying to really have anything to worry about. let's get to the bottom line. the united states has the biggest economy in the world, but china is 2nd and catching up real fast. and this has made america well, really, increasingly test the american politicians, both democrat and republican, have been talking for decades about the need to counter the threat of china. and it's growing influence not only in african land america, but all over the world. it's not just about banning tick tock, china it produces 8 times more steel than america and doubled the number of cars
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and trucks dominates the solar industry and controls 80 percent of the minerals needed for electric vehicles. so despite the trade attention, so let's call up a great wall of tariffs launched by president elect donald trump in his 1st term, and continued by president joe biden. how worried is china about relations with the next problem? whitehouse. welcome to this special edition of the show coming to you from the doha form and cut our where we're talking with victor down the vice president of the center for china and globalization in beijing. i'm so glad you were able to join us today. thank you very much and let me just start out there been a lot of changes in the global topography of leadership over 4000000000 people voted in elections this year. and one of those elections was in the united states. my country and donald trump won that election. donald trump has had a lot to say on china, and he's been very tough on china. but my sense is, china is not freaking out about donald trump. but what is your view of how china
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sees the coming? trump of yours, 1st of all, congratulations on donald trump's. when in this presidential election, he actually deserved it. and now he not only has won the presidency or the republicans have now be in control of the house, as well as the send it. so it's sweeping. we for mr. trump as well as the republican party team a little bit. i mean, not to be too facetious by one party rule. well, it would never be. let me talk to you roy, in the united states, you know, in 4 years times or a year times or 12 years time, there will be a change of these issues in the white house. and for the 2 houses, it may change in 2 years. all 4 years, so i'm seeing the change is the rule of the game rather than uh, no change always continues in the same potty control of the united states. having said that, i think i do a my, uh uh,
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dollar trump for demonstrating authenticity indeed issue. and control of himself, as well as the environment when an attempted assassination lies, life was committed. he really impressed many people including me. and it meant that mr. trump had a mission today and she wants to get his chopped out. so it depends on what exactly he wants to do. he wants to do a revolution inside the united states, and he also wants to promote his mega in the welsh. and i think, uh whenever he will do all accomplish. for the coming for years the united states will not be the same as it is today. well, as i hear it, a lot of the maga or make america great again, rhetoric has a lot to do with bashing china, talking about tariffs against chinese products,
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dealing with chinese threats around the world. and there is a kind of china hysteria if you will, in part of the political rhetoric of that. so i'm, i'm interested in how you're hearing that. are you hearing it differently than i am? first of all, uh, tire of seems to be the preferred instrument for mr. trump. on, on everybody, all for his incoming administration. however, i would say someone need to really tell mr. tops the president you liked as soon to be the president of the terrace paid on the american people, mostly the consumers. it's not paid by china. all the chinese government at all. so in the says, the terrace, against china, or against the canadians on the mexicans or any other country on a kind of tax against the american people. it is one of the reasons why could feud inflation and enrolled it the quality of life of the american people. i'm sure mr.
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trump, uh, has about a more balanced x rate, but tariff is probably the worst instrument he can wield on impulse. there must be other ways which can help the americas achieve the strategic goal. we dont, for example, inflating the terrace because the terrace page by the american people some smart people. i know see that power is like the stock market. it's a function of future expectations, and if you look at china in the future, it looks like it's got a great future. it's growing bigger footprint, greater economy becoming, eventually the largest economy in the world. and some people look at the united states as somewhat contracting strategically, more diminished ambitions, more negativity in managing what it has and says they see a rising china and somewhat of a sinking america. how do you see it?
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my view is that there is no competition between china and the united state. really, really? why? because a china is a head of the united states. in many areas, the united states is head of china in many areas, but natural endowments for china and the united states are completely different. on the other hand, china will continue to grow. i remember the 1990 is when i was practicing investment banking with morgan signed the new york, and the hong call us was about a time is as big as china in terms of the size of the economy. now trying to is handled the united states if we use purchasing power parity and you for use a nominal exchange rate. china is anywhere between 65 to 70 percent of the united states. however, if you listen to you don't ask, who's very influential. these are the present you like to, i don't know, trump, it keeps saying that by the middle of the century,
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the size of the japanese economy will be doubling the size of the us economy. i think you may have some reason to save is isaac, china will continue to grow sooner or later channel will be larger as an economy compared to with united states using officially exchange rate. when exactly that moment will be, i do not know. maybe 20302035, etc. however, i think this is not the real competition. if there is one competition between the united states and china, the real competition, i would say that will be, for example, if china wants to impose it's audiology, it's producing or the system is way of doing things onto the united states or vice versa. the united states want to change china into a completely different system, but i can assure you try last and all desire, no capability, no willingness, no resources to do that at home, against any other countries,
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specially i guess the united states in on victor let me ask you about national security and foreign policy interest of china and, you know, somebody look out there in the world. we were all sort of woke up one day. and chinese diplomacy was key to resolving a major tension here in the middle east. we're talking here in doha, and china ended up being the bridge between the saudis and the iranians in a normalization arrangement was really shocking. united states was not involved. is this in indication of a more robust and engaged chinese foreign policy in real deep dispute? well, i would say china's effort to a, she's a rock pressure bond between saudis of the radiance. it was a turning point in chinese diplomacy. why? because for decades shuttle have very good relations with saudi arabia, on the one hand with the wrong. on the other hand, many times some of these will tell china, well, given our special relationships,
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wanted them to downgrade your relationship with you, ross thomas, and know china. so we'll do relations are very important about china. uranium relations also very important and to launch the same thing. but sooner or later, trying to reach the point and trying to sense why couldn't i bri michael relations with the saudi arabia and my relations with iran to the same table. bring the 2 great countries together and convinced them that refreshment is better. i think that's the turning point and it's so fortunate that both the saudi arabia's and the uranium is a listened to this and the chief rock pressure of all this will be a lead box event. not only for the be the least, but also for the islamic face of different a few nations. and i've seen china wants to do more of these uh,
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major brakes or skin to problem was he was he trying to be very actively engaged with other countries tried to solve the disputes between and among themselves. well, you know, one of the big, raging conflicts in the world right now, of course, is ukraine and russia's invasion of ukraine. i paid careful attention to what china has said about it, concerns over sovereignty, but when not wanting to intervene. sometimes to be honest, it's confusing to me to listen to chinese diplomats describe which side of the line there on. but clearly, another part of this is the relationship between china and russia that has no bounce, that you know is, is uh, pronounced to be very, very deep. but i guess my question to you is, you're so much larger than russia economically. they may have a lot more new your weapons, but are there behaviors of russia in this relationship with no balance? they give you concern? well, i see in china is doing the rising, or would you russia and ukraine just stop the war from day one and keeps talking to
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them, being that home and urge you all the other countries now to really pull multi onto the fi. you bring the wall to him and as quickly as possible before it's too late. if you look at the middle east and again here at the doha, for a lot of conversations about, of potentially completely re shaped, middle east in which a domino effect of october 7th, and the mos attack against israel and the response against garza which had led to expansion into conflicts with has belong lebanon, you know, with iran. now we see in syria, and russia, of course, is involved in syria, deeply our, our iran, we're, is china in this map. what are your points of concern, where the tensions and relationships as you see it, or you just sitting on the sidelines from day one. again trying to called on israel . and the policy is to seize 5. because china 40 respects the leads you may rise on
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the policy and people john has been promoting this 2 state solution for do you think there's any chance of a real tuesday solution? no, i think we have to achieve that because that's the only way to rate the be the least of his menace of perpetual fight. perpetual war between the, his release of the arabs far as the you and president joe biden are on the same page. why do you think president biden has failed so dramatically in achieving a 2 state solution? i think present by the end is administration is not serious about really promoting the 2 state solution. because the very much a suite into providing unlimited financial support and military support to israel, not without the us unconditional support. israel cannot sustain its long last. the war against the policy is by no more than 40000 innocent palestinian civilians are being killed. 75 percent of them, women and children,
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including many technical and this has been generally being labeled as i'm just transitive as a general side, etc. and israel is full featured over goodwill. it has accumulated and ever since it's independence. and i think prime minister netanyahu is really turned himself into opposing upgrade liability because he's not helping is really in any constructive way, is bring israel more and more into a call now. and also the spreading of wall in the middle east may eventually be very damaging to the fundamental interest. did you too much interest of the? is there any people anyway, so i think the united states should do the rising. i'm always confused when the american government said we want to give unconditional support to israel. i think they need to revise that. they need to say, if israel is doing the pricing,
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we want to give them unconditional support. if israel is doing the wrong thing, if is, was committing atrocities on general side, for example, why should the united states the biggest, the most important, most the consequential country in the world give unconditional support to israel for the prime minister then to the apple is being opposed by up to more than 75 percent of the people, the israel, the want to each team away from the office. they want to send him to prison for example. so i think we would really talk to him about the situation where probably a prime minister netanyahu wants to uh, for the escalate to avoid being caught up in that legal. uh, a cause my off that to you sleep personally is, are you surprised victor? i'm, this may be too strong a term, but are you surprised from your perspective of also being a major stakeholder? you're now involved in this region. more of china is more involved in this region
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of the impotence of error of states with regards to policy and situation. i've been surprised that there hasn't been stronger actions activities across the board of no air of state has ripped up its peace deal that had a peace deal with his real. and there's still belief that perhaps down the road there, there could even be a saudi as really normalization, despite what we've heard from savvy leadership recently, they might ignore the palestinian state issue and proceed in some normalization. i'm just interested in whether people think that palestine in the n n a just situation policies can be ignored to get to a different place there. and are you worried about that? i'm not worried about that. if you listen very carefully to what the kingdom of saudi arabia has to say, they put it very clearly on the table. they basically, they will, will be happy to normalize relations with israel on one condition that is, before they do that,
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the 2 state solution should be realized. i think that's the very good position for us. i'll be a review after all, it is the spiritual di da, it just follow the load and it has a lot of responsibilities on his shoulder to recognize israel before israel agrees to a 2 state solution. may be considered as a big trail of the policy and people to stop the weights and also letting down many muslims and the higher ups for their real pursuits also lead you to his interest of the palestinian people. because fundamentally is raised and the policy is, should be viewed equally with each other. if anyone says, is really is a most appear rather than the policy man. so the policies are in syria to be is radius, and therefore they should not be given equal protection. that itself is an insult to is law is insulting the muslims, and i don't think the kingdom of saudi arabia and his child's self would ever
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tolerate a prospect like that. another area of major chinese diplomatic investment and economic investment is this organization called the bricks. bricks was actually a kind of accidental collection. you know, brazil, russia, india, china, south africa, now it's expanded to include other nations including the u. e and some others. but i'm interested in what do you think the bricks is serious? like if it's a serious challenge to the us dominated economic order of the dollar. this with system, whether that's china is intention to undermine the reserve currency status of the dollars. well, 1st of all, breaks is serious and the now the, or do you have 10 member states and the fact that country like turkey applied to join breaks and talk to is a member of nato, is really becoming
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a turkey loves. they had its bets, it would be a turning point if turkey officially joins brakes as a full member or saudi arabian solve the already or revise already. i mean one foot in and yes, i don't go to the media just, but i don't see breaks is anti america or is disruptive. i personally, i'm not a big fan of the dollarization, but i really firmly oppose weaponized in the dollar. or what the nice even the swift system. because if you want to weaponized that all of these other countries, assets will for example, and exclude other banks from the sort of system. fundamentally, philosophically you'll create such a level of despair. all i prefer patient that you and to do something as an alternative. therefore, when i listen to mr. donald trump talking about slacking 100 percent higher for kids in the country, which wants to come up with an alternative covers you. for example, you was talking about brakes members,
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i think president trump soon to be. we will need to declare that no one should weaponized that although no one should weaponized this with the system that who reduce the pressure on many countries which want to really have an alternative to the dollar. because the worry about the webinar ization of developing the worry about the webinar ization of the swift system. so we need to really call a spade a spade. and if noise is going to have a nice, not all the why should any of the country really spend a lot of time to come up with an old into alternative to the top? there is a stand off where many politicians want to preserve and protect tie one's autonomy and democracy. and that's a real point of tension for some people. and there's been a worry about what's been folded in hong kong and the trying and sentencing of
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democracy. protesters in hong kong, and then of course there are people who point to domestic issues inside china, the state of status of the wiggers. i'm sure you've discussed this many times with that arena. got package is something that is generating more and more political interest and supported in us politics and that affects national security it's. it's a very big issue with marco rubio, who's the likely next sectors of states very much for the next national security advisor. so i don't mean to go on and it, but i'm just sort of interested in whether there is an understanding about the sensitivity of those issues at the highest levels of the chinese government. also, 1st of all, i want to tell you all global audience that i certainly believe that many people in china in high positions also believe like i do that with all democracy. you cannot a small deny ization of a democracy does not have one to a single form which suits all the countries every country need to come up with its own adapt taishan to democracy and democracy to its own national circumstances of
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the 2nd thing is autonomy of one, do my best judgment need to be preserved for the benefits of the people in taiwan as well as for china as a whole. now eventually peaceful reunification which will be much better than any other form and one country to system or even one countries to resist them. for example, can be figured out and the americans worry about the supply chain of the semi conductors. i think john, that can be flexible enough to declare the whole island of taiwan as the because the free trade zone in china. and there will be guaranteed to inc and out for the semiconductor chips of all kinds. so i think we need to focus on really what's the most important matter that is the sovereignty and the territorial integrity of china. and the fact that there is only one china and taiwan being part of john on
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that basis. a lot of flexibility is an adapt ations can be worked out to satisfy the legitimate interests of many countries, especially in the united states because the united states care about free flow of chips being out of taiwan. it, which in my view may be a very legitimate consideration. if president trump, who likes to be a president to engage in a lot of 1st goes to tie one, will china be able to live with that? no, i think if that happens, the diplomatic relations between china of the united states will be broken 1st because the china will never allow any country in the world into the united states of america to have relations with both china on the one hand and taiwan on the on the if you want to bets on taiwan since the united states has been on tie while the national is the government several times in history, then you need to walk away from china. that's the,
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a quick pro cold situation. i don't think any real need to all the united states want to solve it. you as relations with china, which has a population more than 1400000000 people for the sake of encouraging separatism of taiwan. it's not worth it and it's not going to work. well, we'll have to leave it there. victor, gal, vice president of the center on china in globalization. thank you so much for joining us. thank you very much for having me. thank you. so what's the bottom line? china believes that america isn't circling it strategically trying to curtail china is military and economic growth. it sees in america that's desperately trying to hold onto its crumbling global status. while china is global footprint groves. but there are no guarantees about the future. for china with its growing power, it could easily overstep and suffer, especially if the world smaller country see it more as a predator than a friend. and theoretically, at least,
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america could improve its global standing by decreasing it's a pop receive and working with some of these nations that are in real need. but for now, both sides are watching each other with a lot of distrust. it's a potentially toxic group that will impact the world over the coming year. and that's the bottom line, the. hi, brandon, does a child by his own? cristella was nothing early life in the republic of home that of to 40 years living in switzerland cristo follows a fascinating paper trail that leads from his adopted home to the country if he's bad. and the most unexpected re union witness in earlier on o. d 0 the humanitarian crisis, and 11 and calls for immediate and sustained action. ok,
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hospitals, us the stomach and deliver it elsewhere in gaza, or at least $35.00. the palestinians have been killed in his right. the raids since dawn, most of those killed were in central areas molten.

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