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hello, welcome to the program on the wrong code, the united nation says only 16 of the 36 hospitals and cause a opperation on and only able to offer a partial service is not one of them is in the north of the strip the u. n. has verified more than 650 is really attacks and goals as medical facilities. since the will began in on tell you about 2023 and at least 1050 full health workers have been killed. is roll size, how much flight is used? hospitals as a control centers, but doesn't provide any evidence to substantiate its claims. is it possible to hold the complete collapse of goals as health system? what actions can the international community take to protect hospitals and medical professionals from is really attacks and prevent what the united nations is cooling h human rights catastrophe. we'll discuss these questions with all guess. but 1st

this report by sarah go. medical coats, mosque and scraps of symbols of heating. i've done to international humanitarian news during conflict. talk to synopsis of ground to special protection that give you. but this is garza to those who sworn it out to save lives of himself. that way. the doctor who saw a boost to feel the director of the come all at one hospital in northern garza, was detained in late december. when he's ready for his surround at the facility, forcing patient medical stuff to leave the own army footage shows the pediatrician, speaking to the soldiers. the shoot me off with the hospital was destroyed and took to abu sophia,

taken into custody. and his wife, albina, has paid it for his freedom. so the machine? no, i don't even know where he is. i don't know why they arrested him. he's a doctor and he wants to do nothing else but to take care of the patients and wounded people. so what is the problem and why have they arrested to apples? the fia is the latest on a long list of palestinian medical was arrested and interrogated 4 days, rel says on national security reasons. another permanent figure was stopped at non olivers the head of orthopedics at all. she for hospital in garza city. the southern defied is ralph post evacuation. what is and continue to treat patients until he was detained in december 2023. full months later is ready. prison authorities to clad doctor brush that report states that he had been raped and tortured. these are just to us the names and the stories that we know causes

health. the ministry has told out to 0, at least 1050 for medical professionals, have been killed. drunk is rouse with. the un says it's contributing to the catastrophic degradation of the health system. time and again, hospitals have become metal grounds, rendering them out of service and repricing, those needs of a life saving care in may the international court of justice in the hague set. there were reasonable grounds to believe these really ami was carrying out to genocide in golf or something. israel has repeatedly denied a bit, but it does warrant the question. what she saw is really forces to continue to destroy healthcare facilities. continue to talk at medical professionals to about who will be left to treat palestinians, sorry, go out to 0. the inside story. the,

let's bring you know, a guess don't to miami below. they say it is in hong units in southern garza, he's the deputy medical coordinator for garza, for doctors without borders and has lived and worked in district for many years in london. ontario is mike link a you and human rights lawyer. the format you and special rapids for human rights in the occupied palestinian territory. and in dallas, texas is adult to him. i have made a deal for leo and orthopedic surgeon who recently returned from the gaza strip. welcome to inside story. i'd like to begin in hong units with adults, and i haven't talked about how many there is a doctor in and is really jail right now because i'm about to feel what's your reaction to that the fee is not deaf as to the, to the civil doctors since the beginning of the sort, i mean the kind of stuff this is as well as what i did when i understood by that as

a, i mean you in this the days before we were wanting to avoid talking to the, the hospitality significant facilities clinics, stuff unfortunately, this has been installed since that day, but this continues to happen just talk us through your personal experience of being in a hospital when these radius of attacks. i mean, uh, as you know, i mean the doctors, a lot of the stuff working out a bunch of the population, you know, i mean from gosh, that they have some of these, they have family living in the places where does he have a few issues or does coming in is that some of them was in our when he exact, we were working in the digital doing says are the southern the data, see the news that and asked ike happened that the member of the family had been that kid or injure. i mean that working in the such context without security is

very difficult for me to come stuff and does a very, very need to get up saying without saying that at the beginning, the security to be not secure to for your service as i really gotta stop at 40 or if i'm in need of a particular feminine. i mean the situation is really complicated, very catastrophic. and we would go along since the beginning i myself to, to avoid submitted kind of the documentary committee kind of the hostages. but unfortunately, we have myself as well. it has been evacuated to but of time from the hospitals that we were wanting our stuff. so i don't remember, it also has been edited. some of them have been injured to let me bring in adults that have made a deal for neil. hey, who's in dallas? texas you recently returned from the goal is a strip. it is an impossible situation on almost every single level. you don't have enough equipment. you don't have enough medical supplies, you don't have enough stuff. those stuff that you do have a constantly under attack. what's it like being

a medical professional in gaza right now. and this is unimaginable. i think in the, in the says, so i was in the han units in the south in uh in. um you're in general hospital in april of this year and then in uh, november we went up north to uh all the hospital baptist hospital and uh, and got the city and its just uh, the level of destruction is particularly up north is just unbelievable. i mean, it looks like nothing short of a post apocalyptic scene from a, from a site assigned to the fiction movie. like, i mean it's, everything is flat and people are living and the remains of what, what of the buildings that were there. and those buildings are now getting attacked . i mean you, you literally have that. um, yeah, you don't see soldiers. typically you see these drones that are just dropping bombs and then these quad copiers are come off the back of the drones to, to shoot anything. there's less living and many of the medical providers that we worked with and their families would,

would come in as victims of these attacks. and they would, more than uh, you know, deal with oftentimes happen at the end of the day. and they would more do the night and then come back the next morning and be back at work, you know, helping, helping patients. but he did lack of supplies is truly one of the biggest problems in terms of doing these medical emissions back in april we were able to bring in many of the supplies that we used through the rough. i border says the russell border has been close. now coming through cram shalom they've, they've severely limited the ability to bring in any equipment which makes it very difficult to take care of these patients. i mean, it's 3 to, to witness the doctors that are there. and in does a taken care of patients with such unlimited supplies is truly a lesson for all of us. and we go there and, and are just there to do you live? what is available up north in particular there's no, there's no intermediary nails to stabilize the fracture. there's no particle screws to stabilize the spine, but the people in the physicians are literally using extra. it'll fix it. or is

that have been taken off of patients that have either been treated or have passed away? i don't have a look. i said don't clearly just said an extraordinary thing that some of the victims coming into a hospital were relatives of the doctors. the were trying to help them. that is something that i don't think has been stressed enough. these all families, palestinian families who live in work in goals that you think people outside of gauze a really understand what's going on inside. i mean, of course, i mean there is, there is some and doesn't measure nothing that you can do. use your company to buy the origin. they more as a michael the mentioned just now that able to come. but i mean, the majority, they don't know what is to being a doctor or i'm going to go stuff inside a hospital, which is partially functioning with you as well, should be damaged as well, with lack of material, lack of equipment, lack of products, disclosures i mean got the, the before the send them the photo,

but i mean, it was 40 percent of the construction. would you get the scores of ones where does either stop, i mean that was before, even though the 80 percent of these items are due to stop. so when we said that we already did vision without anesthesia or been good, that's what started at the beginning of the lack of these items. when the michael you just mentioned. now the only thing is no extra enough except us to do or different except you to you having to do something that shows you that you need something material to these ideas. but as of because you are not able to bring it in now, since many it became more complicated with a closer the minute. i mean, you've got been able to dig now to get them shut off. i mean, this is some items that you've got to think about. many items which are listed in the says you to or why that is what it's called the used. i don't know that the other more but being working here is i think it's a huge difficulty for the stuff knowing that he has a family basic needs,

as you mentioned as well. there's no water that has no food enough that has no security. the notion the so right. but because of forwarding instruction condition, i think you guys were about to start ready. there's bringing michael link here. who is in london on tare. michael, is that ever a legal justification for destroying a hospital inactive was i? it is very narrow, is the grounds for the justification be made. so let's put the, the legal protection of hospitals in a comfort zone in context. they and because of their absolutely essential services to the civilian population have the highest degree of protection under international law. and that means the hospitals are protected, that means the ambulances are protected. that means the security roots supplying the vital needs for the hospitals are protected. and that means of course, that health care workers are protected. they would only lose their protection if

they're doing um engaged in actions that are detrimental to the enemy and that are outside of their humanitarian function. and even then their own is rest on the attacking army to justify the degree of the time that they've made upon that hospital. and as we've heard from you and officials and non governmental organizations, over the last several weeks, commenting on what has been going on with respect to the get tax on the hospitals, particularly in the north, there has been insufficient or no justification offered whatsoever in terms of evidence by the israelis to uh, to justify the degree of destruction that they rendered upon these hospitals. it's an almost total destruction of uh, the health care sector. it's the rest of individual doctors, medical health care professionals. there is like you say there is a very narrow definition of what, what's legal level isn't legal, but is there

a framework to stop israel michel link is that anything the international community can do immediately? yeah, it's a very simple word. it's called comfortability. and accountability has been missing in action. now for this 57 year old is really occupation and it's been missing in action throughout the 15 months of this war. back in may 2016 in a, in an example, a very responsible international diplomacy. you, i'm a security council passed a general resolution lane of the very strict protections under international humanitarian law for civilians, for health care centers and for health care personnel. and emphasize the, one of the things that the obligation on the attacking army was to do everything feasible. to ensure that these vital civilian institutions invite all civilian workers were not the objects of either direct attacks or indiscriminate attacks and

also emphasized on this resolution. but of these attacking armies do not operate with impunity, and that they must be drawn brought to justice, where there is credible grounds for violating international law. let's bring it in . don't even have it. like i said, who is in hong unit as you've just heard from michael link that talking about the legality of all of this accountability is no happening and you'll sing it and you're witnessing it 1st time. does this make you angry that the international community simply called stuff as well? in the i mean it makes everyone equities lovely. i mean a lot of living and gaza, or with this like going in and you guys, i maybe in the music, especially the kids are off because we get angry. i mean, of course we'll get angry. i mean it's, it's, i mean, because i kind of get to that means a lot of times we co, not the time to talk to them about that does excuse is that there is some mandatory

groups and often, but for us, i mean you have to be working and she thought that we did is humanity, groups that we didn't see enough that before we didn't see and then the regional hospital. so i mean all of these claims by the, i mean, i'm really the key and i mean every time they end up there is nothing there. and i, when we saw, i'm lucky with this m. s f is patients, doctors, you can start to add people to issues getting inducted this month. and i'm going to come to you in just a 2nd. but when i go to dallas, texas don't touch hello. you've just heard the legality of all of this will look. i like see, quite frankly joked about the anger coming from garza when you're back in, in, in texas. and you'll speaking to people all you low being now to try and get something done to stop this or if you just given up any hope that there is anything

that can be done. i think i think it's very um, you never want to give up hope. i think we still continue to speak up. and um, you know, speaking in a smaller gatherings, the hope is to try to, to get the message across to someone in power, you know, and, and in washington, dc. so there's somewhere where something can be effective. i think, you know, if you think about it, so when, when we were up in the northern part at all the hospital that was the 1st hospital, if you remember that, that got attacked. and there was a big international uh, you know, inquiry on whether israel, these really military would attack a hospital and, and they were, there were so many, you know, investigations, did you know, questions of justification. and since then, i think that the military has been allowed to act with impunity. now it literally, every single hospital is a, is attacked in some capacity and partially functional, you know, and in guys the city when we entered, they specifically told us that no one hospital is fully functioning to traveling

between 4 hospitals to get to get cases done. and it's, you know, it, it is very disheartening to see things go down this path of continued destruction. but i think if you turn to the, the, the physicians in palestine they, they don't lose hope. they're continuing to work there. yeah. but, you know, we're in a privileged position as, as positions from the us and from europe. there's some level of security that we, that we kind of assume because military knows where, where it is for national dar, while we're working for the, for the palestinian physicians. there is no security whatsoever, and yet they still maintain hope. and i think you know what, i was there in november when the presidential election results came through for the us. and number of people were joking around congratulating us on, on trumpeting. and that was, that was part of the discussion, i think, you know, we can't really count on any change that was happening in the biden harris administration. they've, they've been very clear that they were never going to change course. i think with

donald trump, there he is. he has made several disparaging remarks about a palestinians and, and the middle east, but, you know, he is a, here's an international figure as the president the united states. and that was, that was part of the discussion that we had there is that you can't really count on as a mandatory inside and necessarily kick in. but i think at some point, hopefully his ego will kick in. i don't know how much longer american leadership can tolerate looking like they're subservient to uh, to, in, in, you know, an international entity that steps actively committing genocide. michael link. what are the things when the history of this will be written a one of the words, one of the times that's going to be used a lot as will crimes. you've got to prove war crimes, and it's going to be incredibly difficult to do that. if everything has been destroyed, garza is in complete ruins. what's the priority now for the legal community to try and get information to try and get testimony woods? where did you, where did you stop building a case? to?

sure. ready we have 2 legal processes internationally in the hague, that offer some promise of, of a venture. what kind of ability we are the so the african application alleging that the israel is in violation of the 1948 genocide convention was preliminary hearings were heard in january the court then at that side that time said that. so have a good made out that it was a plausible case of israel's committing genocide. we're now going to have to wait probably a year and a half to 2 years for the full series to be heard on that particular issue in front of the, the international court. the international court or criminal court, also in the hague. as we know, released a, an application for arrest warrants for benjamin yahoo and your client, the former is ready and a defense minister in november among other crimes are being charged with our crimes of star of allowing starvation. and there may well be more crimes that may be added to that as the course of their investigation once of deepening. now it may be

a very small. busy chance, but either nothing yahoo or glad ever have to answer for their crimes in the hague . they can only be arrested if they appear on the soil of one of the $124.00 countries that have signed onto the rome statute. that means in other words, so even if that doesn't happen, their reputations are in every vocally mismatched, but by the issuance of the arrest warrant. there are many heads of state and federal governments will never meet with nothing, you know who it was. they didn't want to be seen shaking hands with a part of the war criminal with respect to that. and we also have the possibility of, of war crimes investigations at the domestic level. most of these countries that are signed onto the rome statute a $124.00 in total of domesticated the room statute into their domestic legislation as well. which means that they could try um, what is really soldiers is ready,

military commanders, and even nothing. you know, who work a lot, should they appear on their soil and under the concept of universal jurisdiction. so, you know, sometimes the sun rises slowly when it comes to international intelligibility. but my sense is that the machinery is moving faster than his ever moved before. with respect to it all, catching up with israel, it's leaders and it's uh, policies of work, crimes over the last 57 years. i don't know how many, like i said, you're in calling units. we're talking about is accountability. we're talking about international criminal court. we talked about the international calls of justice. this is far removed from where you are, what you're witnessing every single day. do you have any faith in those processes? i mean, the spirit, we have the whole body just because i mean that's in faith. i mean, to continue, i mean, these are the go to the jewish war actors. what really isn't

going to be, can speak on on, on this time and place things to the i caught, but for us, i mean, and it myself and myself nationally. we have us when we have the witness, we have testimony. so if i mean we see able to see what's going on and that all not on the us because live in a, on the ground. and does that mean it's, it's really a one of the customer because the situations we visited, the page that ring by was the car for before a mac way to that i sort of was every, now he is admitted to the minute 3 ways before. but what happens now, it gives you the adaptive assume to fill it, say, use destruction. this is mackenzie, right? what's going mom was going into not going with them. ended up goes up. i mean, the situation is the old scribing. it is not even get the sky the best so big. i mean there is no life anymore. they've destroyed everybody thing. and god, i think give infrastructure stuck sharp. i mean, the hosp, the dental schools,

universities, the physical dame and haven't all the people just distorted this way. i don't know how many to deal with that when you're operating on a child who has been injured by and is riley drive and need not using anesthesia. and there isn't. this is hi charles about child isn't going to make it. are you coming to hear about the intentional close to justice? how are you thinking about international criminal? are you thinking about accountability? i think uh when you're, when you're in. uh guys a it is. it's almost like you're, you're in a bubble like it's, uh, you're very focused on the patients that come in. i think that helps with the resolves that, that some of the physicians and nurses and medical providers that we work with demonstrate they, you know, it's actually only outside of the, or that many of these conversations happen. and we're just focused on, on the medical care and, and trying to create a good environment for,

for everyone that's working during those cases. and actually, you know, just to discuss more like issues. it's when you, when you sit down after cases are between cases that these conversations happen and i think that's, that's where the a do. it's a falls on us. a lot of these, the, uh, visiting doctors, visiting nurses. but we've, we've all been impacted by what we've seen there. and when you ask the people in gaza, what can we do when we get back there? everyone says it has the same answer. just don't forget us until the world. what's happening here because nobody deserves to live like this. i mean, the, the, you know, are, but one of the, one of the providers at poly hospital had mentioned how, you know, the, one of the 1st things to be hit and guy just said he was the bakery. like it's uh you know, did that, but one of them vital buildings in the, in the city providing bread for, for people. and yeah, you know that those operations about to move to another building. but it's, um it's, it's just very remarkable how you kinda do. you can wall everything off and just

focus on the individual patients to come in. and then these, these more, you know, lost the ideas of hopefully eventually ending this or conversations that happened afterward. to delta a boat load. they said, is there any chance that if there is a criminal arrest is if there are charges go against these role that that will be enough for you given what you've witnessed. is that any child some just is there any justice. busy you feel will be served by anybody at any point that will be enough. again, i mean, we know, but i mean we, i'm sure that the don't not be enough. i mean 50 more than 15000 can hold them 60 percent chance of 17000 or offense. $5000.00 windows or more. i mean the 5000 video. most of them just in for the sit down. it shifted with us.

what empties? one more than 100000 people on the edge of that destruction of all guys out. i don't know if it'll be enough to will forgive or to let the portable take that i don't know the the but i have no words. i want to thank oh guess the adult to my have a to i will like i said, a mike link and don't tell me i haven't a deal. hello and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again, any time by visiting a website out, is there a dot com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ada inside story. and you could also join the conversation on x and instagram. i'll handle is at asia inside story for me and wrong count and the whole team head bye for now. the . the fact again that is designed to inflame and

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