the precious gross lots of chillies is being revised with one of the world's biggest advert conservation projects. they're pretty emblematic of the pedagogy and if they're plentiful and they're calm like this one is, then you know that the system is coming back and that they feel no stress. and that's why you know i, for 3 wilding patagonia on, i'll just say era. most pools and goals that have become a buffalo, sorry patients and health work, his all victims of as well as will the director of come all odd one hospital and the nose is missing of being detained. for course the how can the u. n. and the wealth house stone as role from attack in health facilities. this is inside the

hello. welcome to the program on demand con, the united nation says only 16 of the $36.00 hospitals and cause a opperation on and only able to offer a partial service is not one of them is in the north of the strip a do you and has that satisfied more than 650 is really attacks and goals as medical facilities. since the will began in all talking about 2023 and at least 1050 full health workers have been killed. is roll size, how much flight is used? hospitals as a control centers, but doesn't provide any evidence to substantiate its claims. is it possible to hold the complete collapse of goals as health system? what actions can the international community take to protect hospitals and medical professionals from is riley attacks and prevent what the united nations is cooling a human rights katasha great. we'll discuss these questions with all guess. but 1st,

this report by sarah go, medical coats, mosque and scraps of symbols of heating done to international humanitarian news. during conflict. talk to synopsis of ground to special protection that give you. but this is garza to those who sworn it out to save lives of himself at the doctor who saw a boost to feel the director of the come all at one hospital in northern garza was detained in late december when he's ready for his surround at the facility forcing patient medical stuff to leave the own army footage shows the pediatrician, speaking to the soldiers. the shoot me off with the hospital was destroyed and took to abu sophia, taken into custody. and his wife albina, has puter for his freedom. so the machine,

no, i don't even know where he is. i don't know why they arrested him. he's a doctor and he wants to do nothing else but to take care of the patients and wounded people. so what is the problem and why have they arrested and talk to apples? the fia is the latest on a long list of palestinian medical was arrested and interrogated for what he's real says on national security reasons. another permanent figure was stopped at non algebra. the head of both the pdx at all, she fell hospital in garza city. the southern defied israel's forced evacuation. what is and continue to treat patients until he was detained in december 2023. 4 months later is ready. prison authorities declared doctor brush dead for poor states that he had been raped and tortured. these are just to us, the names and the stories that we know causes health. the ministry has told out to

0, at least 1054 medical professionals have been killed. drunk is arouse with the un says it's contributing to the catastrophic degradation of the health system. time and again, hospitals have become metal grounds, rendering them out of service and repricing, those needs of a life saving care in may the international court of justice in the hague set. there were reasonable grounds to believe these really ami was carrying out to genocide in gaza. something israel has repeatedly denied, but it does warrant the question. what she saw is really forces to continue to destroy healthcare facilities and continue to talk at medical professionals to about who will be left to treat palestinians. sorry, go out to 0. the inside story. the,

let's bring you know, a guess delta my, how many of them are they say is in on unit in southern garza, he's the deputy medical coordinator for garza, for doctors without borders and has lived and worked in district for many years in london, ontario is mike link a you and human rights lawyer, the format you and special rapids for human rights in the occupied palestinian territory. i'm in dallas, texas is adult to him. i have made a deal for leo and orthopedic surgeon who recently returned from the gaza strip. welcome to inside story. i'd like to begin in hon eunice with adults and i haven't talked about having that is a doctor in and his writing jail right now, because i'm about to feel what your reaction to that the fee is not deaf as to the, to the civil doctor's since the beginning of the sort, i mean the kind of stuff this is that's what i was, what i did when i understood by that as a, i mean you in just

a lot of days before we were wanting to avoid talking to the the hospitality submit ticket facilities, clinics, stuff. unfortunately, this has been installed since that day. but this continues to happen just talk us through your personal experience of being in the hospital when these ratings of attacks. i mean, uh, as you know, i mean the doctors, a lot of the stuff like looking at the bottom of the population here, i mean from gosh, that they have, i mean these, they have family living in other places. where does he have a few issues or does coming in is that some of them was an hour when he exact, we were working in the digital doing shares of the southern the data. she didn't use that and asked kevin that the men, but also family as being that kid or inch of i mean that working in the such context without security is very difficult for me to come stuff and does a very,

very difficult saying with jane. very difficult in denver security, not security or for yourself as i really gotta stop, but for your time and date of the particular property. i mean, the situation is really complicated, very catastrophic. and we will go along since the beginning i myself to, to avoid submitted kind of the top of it took me to kind of the hostages. but unfortunately we have myself as well. it has been evacuated to but of time from the hospitality that we were wanting our stuff. so i don't remember it also has been edited. some of them have been injured to let me bring in adults that have made a deal. camille, hey, who's in dallas? texas you recently returned from the goal is a strip. it is an impossible situation on almost every single level. you don't have enough equipment. you don't have enough medical supplies. you don't have enough stuff. those stuff that you do have a constantly under attack. what's like being a medical professional in gaza right now. and this is unimaginable. i think in the,

in the says, so i was in a hon units in the south in uh in. um you're in general hospital in april of this year and then in uh, november we went up north to uh all the hospital baptist hospital and uh, and got the city and its just uh, the level of destruction particularly of north is just unbelievable. i mean, it looks like nothing short of a post apocalyptic scene from a, from a site assigned to eviction movie. like, i mean, it's, everything is flat and people are living in the remains of what, what of the buildings that were there. and those buildings are now getting attacked . i mean you, you literally have that. um, yeah, you don't see soldiers. typically you see these drones that are just dropping bombs and then these quad copiers are come off the back of the drones to, to shoot anything. there's less living and many of the medical providers that we worked with and their families would, would come in as victims of these attacks. and they would, more than uh, you know,

deal with oftentimes happen at the end of the day. and they would warrant through the night and then come back the next morning and be back at work um you know, helping, helping patients. but he did lack of supplies is truly um, one of the biggest problems in terms of doing these medical emissions back in april we were able to bring in many of the supplies that we used through the rough i border. so as a rough, a border has been closed now coming through chrome. so um they, they severely limited the ability to bring in any equipment which makes it very difficult to take care of these patients. i mean, it's really to, to witness the doctors that are there in, in does a taking care of patients with such unlimited supplies is truly a lesson for all of us. and we go there and, and are just there to do you live? what is available up north in particular there's no, there's no intermediary nails to stabilize the fracture. there's no, i've had a close cruise to stabilize the spine, but the people in the physicians are literally using extra, it'll fix it. or is that have been taken off of patients that have either been

treated or have passed away? i don't. uh, like i said, don't to clearly just set an extraordinary thing that some of the victims coming into a hospital were relatives of the doctors that were trying to help them. that is something that i don't think has been stressed enough. these all families, palestinian families who live in work in goals that you think people outside of gauze a really understand what's going on inside. i mean, of course, i mean there is, there is some and doesn't measure nothing that you can do. use your company to buy the origin. they more as a michael you mentioned just now that every to come. but i mean the majority, they don't know what is to being a doctor or i'm going to go stuff inside a hospital which is partially functioning with you a while should be damaged as well. with the lack of material, lack of equipment, lack of products, disclosures i mean got the, the before the send them the photo. but i mean,

it was 40 percent of the me because that's when he got the scores. it was which was either stop. i mean that was before, even though the knowledge around 80 percent of these items are due to stop. so when we said that we already did vision without anesthesia or been good, that's what started at the beginning of the lack of these items. when the microwave just mentioned, now this one day is moist enough except us to do all the different exposure to you having to do something that shows you that you need something material. these ideas are wrong, but is that because you're not able to bring it in? now, since many, it became more complicated. with the closer the deadman a, i mean you've got to bring everything else to get them general. i mean, this is some items that you've got to think about. many items which are listed in the says you to or why that is related. all don't use. i don't know that the other more but being working here is i think it's a huge difficulty for the stuff knowing that he has a family basic needs. as you mentioned as read, there's no more that has no food enough that is not secure to keep as motion the.

so right. because of forwarding and subsequent vision, i think you guys were about to start ready. let's forget my cooling k, who is in london on tare. michael, is that ever a legal justification for destroying a hospital inactive was i? it is very narrow, is the grounds, could have justification be made. so let's put the, the legal protection of hospitals in a comfort zone in context they and because of their absolutely essential services to the civilian population, have the highest degree of protection on our international law. so that means the hospitals are protected. that means the ambulances are protected, that means the security routes supplying the vital needs for the hospitals are protected. and that means, of course, that health care workers are protected. they would only lose their protection if they're doing um engaged in actions that are detrimental to the enemy and that are

outside of their humanitarian function. and even then their own is rest on the attacking army to justify the degree of attack that they've made upon the hospital . and as we've heard from you and officials and non governmental organizations, over the last several weeks, commenting on what has been going on with respect to the get tax on the hospitals, particularly in the north, there has been insufficient or no justification offered whatsoever in terms of evidence by the israelis to uh to justify the degree of destruction that they rendered upon these hospitals. it's an almost total destruction of uh, the health care sector. it's the rest of. busy individual doctors, medical healthcare professionals, there is like you say there is a very narrow definition of what, what's legal level isn't legal. but is there a framework to stop israel michel link is that anything the international community

can do immediately? yeah, it's a very simple word. it's called accountability and accountability has been missing in action. now for this 57 year old is really occupation and it's been missing in action throughout the 15 months of this war. back in may 2016 in a, in an example, a very responsible international diplomacy view and security council passed a general resolution lane of the very strict protections under international humanitarian law for civilians, for health care centers and for health care personnel. and emphasizes, among other things that the obligation on the attacking army was to do everything feasible to ensure that these vital civilian institutions and vital civilian workers were not the objects of either direct attacks or indiscriminate attacks. and also emphasized on his resolution. but these attacking armies do not operate

with impunity, and that they must be drawn brought to justice, where there is credible grounds for violating international law. let's bring it in . don't even have it. like i said, who is in hong unit as you've just heard from michael link that talking about the legality of all of this accountability is not happening and you'll sing it and you're witnessing it 1st time. does this make you angry that the international community simply called stuff as well? in the i mean it makes everyone angry. so we, i mean a lot of living in gaza or with this like going in and you guys, i maybe in the music of facilities or us because we're getting the angry. i mean, of course, what gets angry. i mean it's, it's, i mean the guys are kind of get to that means a lot of times we all the time to talk to them about that does excuse, is that there is some mandatory groups in the us can. but for us,

i mean you have to be working and ship all we did is humanity. groups that we didn't see enough that before we didn't see the decent hospital. so i mean all of this claims by the, i mean, i'm really the key and i mean, every time they enter there's nothing there. and i, when we saw, i'm lucky with this m. s f is patients, doctors, you can start to add people. we're just getting in the hospital. michael, i'm going to come to you in just a 2nd. but when i go to dallas, texas don't touch hello. you've just heard the legality of all of this will look. i like see quite frankly, with jokes about the anger coming from garza when you're back in, in, in texas. and you'll speaking to people all you low being now to try and get something done to stop with this or if you just given up any hope that there is anything that can be done. i think i think it's very um,

you never want to give up hope. i think we still continue to speak up and um, you know, speaking in a smaller gatherings, the hope is to try to, to get the message across to someone in power, you know, and, and in washington dc. so it is somewhere where something can be effective. i think, you know, if you think about it, so with it, when we were up in the northern part at all the hospital that was the 1st hospital if you remember that, that got attacked. and there was a big international. uh, you know, inquiry on whether is real, these really military would attack a hospital and, and they were, there were so many, you know, investigations, did they, do you know, questions of justification. and since then, i think that the military has been allowed to act with impunity. now it literally, every single hospital is, is attacked in some capacity and partially functional, you know, and in gaza city, when we entered, they specifically told us that no one hospital is fully functioning to traveling between 4 hospitals to get to get cases done. and it's, you know, it,

it is very disheartening to see things go down this path of continued destruction. but i think if you turn to the, the, the physicians in palestine they, they don't lose hope. they're continuing to work there. yeah. but, you know, we're in a privileged position as, as physicians from the us and from europe. there's some level of security that we, that we kind of assume because military knows where, where it is for national dar. while we're working before the policy, any of physicians, there is no security whatsoever. and yet they still maintain hope. and i think, you know what, i was there in november when the presidential election results came through for the us and number before jumping around congratulating us on, on trumpeting. and that was, that was part of the discussion. i think, you know, we can't really count on any change that was happening in the biden harris administration. they've, they've been very clear that they were never going to change course. i think with donald trump, there he is. he has made several disparaging remarks about a,

a 1000 hands and, and them, at least, but, you know, he is a, here's an international figure as the president the united states. and that was, that was part of the discussion that we had there is that you can't really count on his and mandatory inside the necessarily kick in. but i think at some point, hopefully his ego will kick in. i don't know how much longer american leadership can tolerate looking like there's some serve you into a 2 in, in, you know, an international entity that steps actively committing genocide. michael link. what are the things when the history of this will be written a one of the words, one of the times that's going to be used a lot as will crimes. you've got to prove war crimes, and it's going to be incredibly difficult to do that. if everything has been destroyed, garza is in complete ruins. what's the priority now for the legal community to try and get information to try and get testimony woods? where did you, where did you stop building a case? i'm sure we have to legal processes internationally in the hey,

that offer some promise of, of adventure. what kind of ability we are the soul of african application alleging that the israel is in violation of the 1948 genocide convention was preliminary hearings were heard in january the court then at that side that time said that. so have a good made out that it was a plausible case, that is what was committing genocide. we're now going to have to wait probably a year and a half to 2 years for the full syrians to be heard on that particular issue in front of the, the international court. the international court or criminal court, also in the hague. as we know, released a, an application for arrest warrants for benjamin yahoo and your client, the former is ready and a defense minister in november among other crimes are being charged with our crimes of sort of allowing starvation. and there may well be more crimes that may be added to that as the course of their investigation. one is of deepening. now it may be

a very small. busy chance, but either nothing yahoo or glad ever after answer for their crimes in the hague, they can only be arrested if they appear on the soil of one of the $124.00 countries that have signed onto the rome statute. that means in other words, so even if that doesn't happen, their reputations are in, in every vocally, be searched by the issuance of the arrest warrant. there are many heads of state and heads of governments will never meet with nothing. you know who it was. they didn't want to be seen shaking hands with it, reported the war criminal with respect to that. and we also have the possibility of, of war crimes investigations at the domestic level. most of these countries that are signed onto the rome statute, $124.00 and total of domesticated the room statute into their domestic legislation as well. which means that they could try, but it's really soldiers is ready, military commanders, and even nothing, you know, who work

a lot. should they appear on their soil and under the concept of universal jurisdiction. so, you know, sometimes the sun rises slowly when it comes to international kind of ability. but my sense is that the machinery is moving faster than it's ever moved before with respect to it all. catching up with israel. it's leaders and it's uh, policies of work, crimes over the last 57 years. i don't know how many the guys, if you are in con eunice, we're talking about is accountability. we're talking about international criminal court. so it's all about the international close of justice. this is far removed from where you are, what you're witnessing every single day. do you have any faith in those processes? i mean, the spirit we have whole, i mean it's because, i mean that's in faith. i mean, to continue. i mean, these are the guys of the jewish war actors, what really we're going to be can speak on on,

on this time and place things to the i caught, but for us, i mean, and i, myself and myself especially, we have us when we have the witness, we have just a minute self, i mean we see able to see what's going on and they're gonna knock on the hospital, just leave it on the ground. and does that mean it's, it's really a, one of the catastrophic kind of the situations me best on the face every my was gone for before a mac way to that i saw was that me now he is the minute to minute 3 ways before. but what happens now, it gives you the same as of october. it say use destruction, this is mackenzie, right? what's going on? what's going into know, it's not going to damage it because i mean, the situation is the old scribing. it is not even get the best of it. i mean there is no life anymore. they've destroyed everybody thing. and god, i think give infrastructure stuck sharp. i mean, we hospitality schools,

universities, the physical dame and haven't all the people just distorted this way. i don't know how many deals are they'll when you're operating on a child who has been injured by and is riley drive and need not using anesthesia. and there isn't. this is hi charles about child isn't going to make it. are you coming to hear about the intentional close to justice? how are you thinking about international criminal? cool. are you thinking about accountability? i think when you're, when you're in, uh guys a it is. it's almost like you're, you're in a bubble like it's, uh, you're very focused on the patients that come in. i think that helps with the resolves that, that some of the physicians and nurses and medical providers that we work with demonstrate they, you know, it's actually only outside of the, or that many of these conversations happen. and we're just focused on, on the medical care and, and trying to create a good environment for, for everyone that's working during those cases. and actually, you know,

just to discuss more light issues. it's when you, when you sit down after cases are between cases that these conversations happen and i think that's, that's where the a do. it's a falls on us. a lot of these, the, uh, visiting doctors, visiting nurses. but we've, we've all been impacted by what we've seen there. and when you ask the people in gaza, what can we do when we get back there? everyone says it has the same answer. just don't forget us until the world. what's happening here because nobody deserves to live like this. i mean the, the, you know, are bad. one of the, one of the providers at poly hospital had mentioned how, you know, that one of the 1st things to be hit and guy just said he was the bakery. like it's uh you know, did that, but one of them vital did the buildings in the, in the city providing bread for, for people. and yeah, you know that those operations about to move to another building. but it's, um it's, it's just very remarkable how you can do. you can wall everything off and just

focus on the individual patients to come in. and then these, these more, you know, lost the ideas of hopefully eventually ending this or conversations that happen afterwards. a delta, a boat load, i said, is there any chance that if there is a criminal arrest is if there are charges pull against these roll? that will be enough for you given what you've witnessed is that any child's of just is there any justice. busy you feel will be served by anybody at any point that will be enough. again, i mean, we all but i mean we have it sure that the to not be enough. i mean 50 more than $50.00 and jim and i'm 60 percent chance of $17000.00 or offense. $5000.00 windows or more. i mean the 5000 video more than just in for the sit down just to read off whatever cheese one more than 100000 people,

the edge of that destruction of all guys. i don't know if it'll be enough. do will forgive or to what the court will take that i don't know the the but i have no words. i want to thank oh guess the adult to my have a to i will look i said a michael link and don't tell me i haven't a deal. hello and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again, any time by visiting a website out, is there a dot com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ada inside story. and you could also join the conversation on x and instagram. i'll handle is, are you doing side story for me and rhode county and the whole team here? bye for now. the a unique perspectives. what could my community be gaining if we weren't spending money on all of those bonds?

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