a manipulated by those in power and selection is unique tentatively seen anything like it for no pressure. they were instrumental in helping the president when the election, driven by still interested, please put their after non profits for people susceptible to government control. if propaganda is designed to inflame and defense, the way that the story is being told, it's not right and it's not accurate from social networks to legacy media. the listening post exposes the forces behind the headlight on which is era of pools and garza had become a bottles are patients and health work is all victims of as well as well. the director of come all i'd want hospital in the nose is missing of being detained. for course the how can the un i'm the wealth house still as role from attacking health facilities. this isn't so much for the

hello. welcome to the program on the wrong con, the united nation says only 16 of the $36.00 hospitals inc, cause opperation on and only able to offer a partial service is not one of them is in the north of the strip a do you and has that satisfied more than 650 is really attacks and goals as medical facilities. since the will began in on tell you about 2023 and at least 1050 full health workers have been killed. is roll size, how much flight is use hospitals as a control centers but doesn't provide any evidence to substantiate its claims? is it possible to hold the complete collapse of goals as health system? what actions can the international community take to protect hospitals and medical professionals from is riley attacks and prevent?

well, the united nations is cooling a human rights catastrophe. we'll discuss these questions with all guess. but 1st this report by sarah go. medical coats, mosque and scraps of symbols of heating. i've done to international humanitarian news during conflict. talk to synopsis of ground to special protection that give you a but this is garza to those who sworn it out to save lives of them. so that way, the doctor who saw a booster via the director of the come all at one hospital in northern garza, was detained in late december. when his ready forces surrounded the facility, forcing patient medical stuff to leave the own army foot shows the pediatrician, speaking to the soldier, the

shoot me off with the hospital was destroyed and took to abu sophia, taken into custody. and his wife, albina, has puter for his freedom. so the machine on what i don't even know where he is. i don't know why they arrested him. he's a doctor and he wants to do nothing else but to take care of the patients. and when did people? so what is the problem and why have they arrested him on the top to apples? the fee is the latest on a long list of palestinian medical walk is arrested and interrogated for what is real says on national security reasons. another permanent figure was stopped at non our bush, the head of both the p digs at all. she for hospital in golf, the city, the search and defied is ralph post evacuation. what is and continue to treat patients until he was detained in december 2023. 4 months later is ready. prison authorities declared doctor brush dead report states that he had been raped and

tortured. these are just to us the names and the stories that we know causes health. the ministry has told out to 0, at least 1050 full medical professionals have been killed. drunk is arouse with the un said it's contributing to the catastrophic degradation of the health system time and again, hospitals have become metal grounds, rendering them out of service, and repricing, those needs of a life saving care in may, the international court of justice in the hague set, there were reasonable grounds to believe these re army was carrying out to genocide in golf or something. israel has repeatedly denied but, but it does warrant the question. what she saw is ready forces to continue to destroy healthcare facilities. continue to talk at medical professionals to about who will be left to treat palestinians. sorry,

go out to 0. the inside story. the, let's bring you know, a guess delta my. how many of them are they say it is in hon unit in southern garza . he's the deputy medical coordinator for garza, for doctors without borders and has lived and worked in the strict for many years in london, ontario is mike link a you and human rights lawyer, the format you and special rapids for human rights in the occupied palestinian territory. i'm in dallas, texas is adult to him. i have made a deal, camille, an orthopedic surgeon, who recently returned from the gaza strip. welcome to inside story, i'd like to begin in hon units with adults. and i haven't talked about having that is a doctor in and his writing jail right now, because i'm about to feel what your reaction to that the fee is not deaf as to the, to the and i mean the us to the doctor's since the beginning of the sort,

i mean, the kind of stuff this is that's what i was, what i did when i understood by the is a, i mean you in this the, on the stage before we were wanting to avoid talking to the, the hospitality, significant facilities clinics, stuff. unfortunately, this has been installed since that day, but this continues to happen just talk us through your personal experience of being in a hospital when these radius of attacks. i mean, i, as you know, i mean the doctors, a lot of the stuff on the bottom of the population here. i mean, the phone gosh, that they have, i mean these families living in the places where there's a few issues or does coming in is that some of them was in our leaks that we were working in the digital doing shares of the southern, the data to see the news that and asked kevin that the member of the family had

been that killed or injured. i mean that working in the such context without security, it's very difficult for me to kind of stuff and got a very, very difficult up saying without jane. very difficult in denver security, not secure to for your service as i really gotta stop. but for your time, if you have a particular funny, i mean the situation is really complicated, very catastrophic. and we will go along since the beginning i myself to, to avoid submitted cutting the document. you can make it kind of the hostages. but unfortunately we have myself as well. it has been evacuated super of time from the hospital that we were wanting our stuff. so i don't remember, it also has been edited. some of them have been injured to let me bring in adults that have made a deal. camille, hey, who's in dallas? texas you recently returned from the goal is a strip. it is an impossible situation on almost every single level. you don't have enough equipment, you don't have enough medical supplies. you don't have enough stuff. those stuff

that you do have a constantly under attack. what's it like being a medical professional in gaza right now. and it's, it's unimaginable, i think in the, in the says, so i was in the han units in the south in uh, in the european general hospital in april of this year. and then in uh, november we went up north to uh, all the hospital. the baptist hospital and uh, and got the city and it's just uh, the level of destruction is particularly up north is just unbelievable. i mean it looks like nothing short of a post apocalyptic, seen from a, from a site scientific fiction movie. like, i mean it's, everything is flat and people are living in the remains of what, what the of the buildings that were there and those buildings are now getting attacked. i mean, you, you literally have that. um, yeah, you don't see soldiers. typically you see these drones that are just dropping bombs and then these quad copiers are come off the back of the drones to,

to shoot anything. there's less living. and many of the medical providers that we worked with and their families would, would come in as victims of these attacks. and they would more than uh, you know, deal with oftentimes happen at the end of the day. and they would more do the night . and then come back the next morning and be back at work um you know, helping, helping patients. but he did lack of supplies is truly um, one of the biggest problems in terms of doing these medical emissions back in april we were able to bring in many of the supplies that we used through the rough. i border says the russell border has been close now, coming through, cram shalom they've, they've severely limited the ability to bring in any equipment which makes it very difficult to take care of these patients. i mean, it's 3 to, to witness the doctors that are there in, in does a taking care of patients with such unlimited supplies is truly a lesson for all of us. and we go there and, and are just there to do you live? what is available up north in particular there's no, there's no intermediary nails to stabilize the fracture. there's no particle screws

to stabilize the spine, but the people in the physicians are literally using extra. it'll fix it. or is that have been taken off of patients that have either been treated or have passed away? i don't have a look. i said don't clearly just said an extraordinary thing that some of the victims coming into a hospital were relatives of the doctors. the were trying to help them. that is something that i don't think has been stressed enough. these all families, palestinian families who live in work in goals that you think people outside of gauze a really understand what's going on inside. i mean, of course, i mean there is, there is some and doesn't measure nothing that you can do use. what do they lease or do you and they worked as a mike would you mentioned just now that able to come but i mean the majority, they don't know what is to being a doctor or i'm going to go stuff inside a hospital which is partially functioning was you, i was really damaged as well,

with lack of material, lack of equipment, lack of products, disclosures i mean got the, the before the send them the photo, but i mean there was 40 percent off of them in the construction. would you get the scores of ones where does either stop, i mean, that was before the knowledge that all 80 percent of these items are due to stop. so when we said that we owe money to the vision without anesthesia or bidding, and that's what started at the beginning of the lack of these items when the microwave just mentioned. now the only thing is my extent i've actually it has to do or different except you to you having to do something that shows you that you need something material to these ideas. but is that because you're not able to bring it in now, since many, it became more complicated with a closer the deadman a. i mean, you've got to bring everything else to get them shut off. i mean there's, there's some items that you've got to think about many items which are listed in the says you to order the latest or the used. i don't know that the other more but

being working here is i think it's a huge difficulty for the stuff knowing that he has a family basic needs, as you mentioned as well. there's no water that has no food enough that has no security. the notion the so right, right. because of forwarding and subsequent vision, i think you guys were about to start ready. let's forget michael lane k, who is in london on. sorry. michael, is that ever a legal justification for destroying a hospital inactive? was i? it is very narrow, is the grounds for the justification be made. so let's put the, the legal protection of hospitals in the comfort zone in the context they and because of their absolutely essential services to the civilian population have the highest degree of protection under international law. so that means the hospitals are protected. that means the ambulances are protected, that means the security routes supplying the vital needs for the hospitals are

protected. and that means, of course, that health care workers are protected. they would only lose their protection if they're doing um engaged in actions that are detrimental to the enemy and that are outside of their humanitarian function. and even then their own is rest on the attacking army to justify the degree of the time that they've made upon the hospital. and as we've heard from you and officials and non governmental organizations, over the last several weeks, commenting on what has been going on with respect to the get tax on the hospitals, particularly in the north, there has been insufficient or no justification offered whatsoever in terms of evidence by the israelis to uh, to justify the degree of destruction that they rendered upon these hospitals. it's an almost total destruction of uh, the health care sector. it's the rest of individual doctors, medical health care professionals. there is like you say there is

a very narrow definition of what, what's legal level isn't legal, but is there a framework to stop israel michel link is that anything the international community can do immediately or yeah, it's a very simple word. it's called comfortability and accountability has been missing in action. now for this 57 year old is really occupation and it's been missing in action throughout the 15 months of this war. back in may 2016 in a, in an example, a very responsible international diplomacy. the you and the security council passed a general resolution lane of the very strict protections under international humanitarian law for civilians, for health care centers and for health care, a personnel, and emphasizes among other things that the obligation on the attacking army was to do everything feasible. to ensure that these vital civilian institutions in vital

civilian workers were not the objects of either direct attacks or indiscriminate attacks and also emphasized on his resolution. but of these attacking armies do not operate with impunity, and that they must be drawn brought to justice, where there is credible grounds for violating international law. let's bring it in . don't have a look at it save, who is in hong unit, as you've just heard from michael link that talking about the legality of all of this accountability is not happening and you'll sing it and you're witnessing it 1st time. does this make you angry that the international community is simply called stuff as well? mean, uh, i mean it makes everyone equities lovely. i mean a lot of living in gaza or was this like going in and you guys are busy in the music at facilities or us because we didn't actually, i mean, of course with the equity. i mean it's, it's, i mean the,

cuz i've got to get through that means a lot of times we co, not the time to talk to them about that does excuse is that there is some mandatory uh, rules and the often. but for us, i mean we have to be working and she felt that we did is humanity, groups that we didn't see enough that before we didn't see and then the recent hospital. so i mean all of this claims by the, i mean the reading and g, and i mean every time they end up there is nothing there. i what we saw and what the witness and myself is patients, doctors. you can start to add people who issues getting adults because i'm going to come to you in just a 2nd. but i want to go to dallas, texas. don't touch hello. you've just heard the legality of all of this will look. i like see quite frankly with judge about the anger coming from garza when you're back in, in, in texas. and you'll speaking to people all you low being now to try and get

something done to stop with this or if you just given up any hope that there is anything that can be done. i think i think it's very um, you never want to give up hope. i think we still continue to speak up and um, you know, speaking in the smaller gatherings, the hope is to try to, to get the message across the someone empower, you know, and, and in washington dc. so it is somewhere where something can be effective. i think, you know, if you think about it, so when, when we were up in the northern part at all the hospital that was the 1st hospital if you remember that, that got attacked. and there was a big international. uh, you know, inquiry on whether is real, these really military would attack a hospital and, and there were, there were so many, you know, investigations, do you know, questions of justification. and since then, i think that the military has been allowed to act with impunity. now it literally, every single hospital is, is attacked in some capacity and partially functional,

you know, and in gaza city, when we entered, they specifically told us that no one hospital is fully functioning to traveling between 4 hospitals to get to get cases done. and it's, you know, it is very disheartening to see things go down this path of continued destruction. but i think if you turn to the, the physicians in palestine they, they don't lose hope. they're continuing to work there. yeah. but, you know, we're in a privileged position as, as positions from the us and from europe. there's some level of security that we, that we kind of assume because military knows where, where it is for national dar. while we're working for the, for the policy. any physicians, there is no security whatsoever, and yet they still maintain hope. and i think you know what, i was there in november when the presidential election results came through for the us and number before jumping around graduating us on, on trump planning. and that was, that was part of the discussion, i think, you know, we can't really count on any change that was happening in the biden harris administration

. they've, they've been very clear that they were never going to change course. i think with donald trump, there he is. he has made several disparaging remarks about a, a 1000 ends and, and them, at least, but, you know, he is a, he is an international figure as the president the united states. and that was, that was part of the discussion that we had there is that you can't really count on his and mandatory inside and necessarily kick in. but i think at some point, hopefully his ego will kick in. i don't know how much longer american leadership can tolerate looking like there's some serve you in to a to and, and, you know, an international entity that's, that's actively committing genocide. michael link. what are the things when the history of this will be written a one of the words, one of the times that's going to be used a lot as will crimes. you've got to prove war crimes, and it's going to be incredibly difficult to do that. if everything has been destroyed, garza is in complete ruins. what's the priority now for the legal community to try

and get information to try and get testimony woods? where did you, where did you start building a case? i'm sure we have to legal processes internationally in the hey, that offer some promise of, of a venture. what kind of ability we are the so the african application alleging that the israel is in violation of the 1948 genocide convention was preliminary hearings were heard in january the court then at that side that time said that. so have a good made out that it was a plausible case of israel's committing genocide. we're now going to have to wait probably a year and a half to 2 years for the full series to be heard on that particular issue in front of the, the international court. the international court or criminal court, also in the hague. as we know, released a, an application for arrest warrants for benjamin the yahoo and your client, the former is ready, and a defense minister in november among other crimes are being charged with our crimes

of star of allowing starvation. and there may well be more crimes that may be added to that as the course of their investigation. one is of deepening. now it may be a very small. busy chance, but either nothing yahoo are glad to ever have to answer for their crimes in the hague. they can only be arrested if they appear on the soil of one of the $124.00 countries that have signed onto the rome statute. that means in other words, so even if that doesn't happen, their reputations are in, in every vocally, be searched by the issuance of the arrest warrant. there are many heads of state and federal governments will never meet with not know who it was. they didn't want to be seen shaking hands with have reported the war criminal with respect to that. and we also have the possibility of, of war crimes investigations at the domestic level. most of these countries that are signed onto the rome statute, $124.00 in total of domesticated the room statute into their domestic legislation

as well. which means that they could try um, what is really, soldiers is ready, military commanders, and even nothing you know, who work a lot. should they appear on their soil and under the concept of universal jurisdiction. so, you know, sometimes the sun rises slowly when it comes to international intelligibility. but my sense is that the machinery is moving faster than it's ever moved before with respect to it all. catching up with israel. it's leaders and it's uh, policies of work, crimes over the last 57 years. i don't know how many, like i said, you're in con eunice. we're talking about is accountability. we're talking about international criminal court. so it's all about the international calls of justice . this is far removed from where you are, what you're witnessing every single day. do you have any faith in those processes? i mean, the spirit, we have the whole body just because i mean enough in faith. i mean 200 and you. i

mean, these are the god of the jewish war, asked us what really we're going to be can speak on on, on this time and raised things to the i caught, but for us, i mean, and that myself and myself especially, we have us where we have the witness, we have just them a new self, i mean we see able to see what's going on and they're gonna knock on the hospital. just leave it on the ground. and does that mean it's, it's really a, one of the catastrophic kind of, uh, situations mean as a new page. i mean by was the car for before impact way to that i saw was, i mean, now he is admitted to the military ways before. but what happens now, it gives you the doctor for him to fill it, say, use destruction. this is mackenzie, right? what's going mom was wanting to know if i'm going with the image of the because i mean the situation is the old scribing. it is not even get the best of it. i mean

there is no life anymore. they destroyed every thing. and god, i think of the infrastructure stuck sharp. i mean, the hosp, the dental schools, universities the physical and haven't all the people just started this way. i don't know how many to deal with that when you're operating on a child who has been injured by and is riley drive and need not using anesthesia. and there isn't. this is hi charles about child isn't going to make it. are you coming to hear about the intentional close to justice? how are you thinking about international criminal court? are you thinking about accountability? i think uh when you're, when you're in. uh guys a it is. it's almost like you're, you're in a bubble like it's, uh, you're very focused on the patients that come in. i think that helps with the resolves that, that some of the physicians and nurses and medical providers that we work with demonstrate they, you know, it's actually only outside of the,

or that many of these conversations happen. and we're just focused on, on the medical care and, and trying to create a good environment for, for everyone that's working during those cases. and actually, you know, just to discuss more like issues. it's when you, when you sit down after cases or between cases that these conversations happen. and i think that's, that's where the a do. it's a falls on us. a lot of these, the, uh, visiting doctors, visiting nurses. but we've, we've all been impacted by what we've seen there. and when you ask the people in gaza, what can we do when we get back there? everyone says it has the same answer. just don't forget us and, and tell the world what's happening here because nobody deserves to live like this . i mean, the, the, you know, are bad. one of the, one of the providers at poly hospital had mentioned how, you know, the, one of the 1st things to be hit and guy just said he was the bakery. like it's uh you know, did that, but one of them vital buildings in the, in the city providing bread for, for people. and yeah,

you know that those operations about to move to another building. but it's, um it's, it's just very remarkable how you can do it. you can wall everything off and just focus on the individual patients to come in. and then these, these more you know, last the ideas of hopefully eventually ending this or conversations that happened afterward to delta a boat load a. so is there any chance that if there is a criminal arrest is if there are charges pull against these role, that will be enough for you given what you've witnessed is that any child's of just is there any justice. busy you feel will be served by anybody at any point that will be enough. again, i mean, we know, but i mean we have it sure that the door and not be enough. i mean 50 more than $50.00 and can. i'm 60 percent of children. 17000 or offense.

$5000.00 windows or more. i mean the 5000 good young than children, 40 percent of children with us, most empties. one or more than 100000 people in the edge of that destruction of all the guys out. i don't know if it'll be enough to will forgive or to let the court to take that. i don't know the the but i have no words. i wanna thank oh guess the adult to my how made i will look i said a michael link and don't tell me i haven't a deal. hello and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again. any time by visiting our website out, is there a dot com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. and you could also join the conversation on text. and instagram i'll handle is at a inside story for me and wrong count. and the whole team head bye for now the

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