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hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully back people in less than 2 years civil war has brought catastrophe to so don, a crisis of the men scale, there is only getting worse phase the united nations. i knew you in battery for says simon conditions. aust, spreading nearly 25000000 people half the population are facing acute food shortages. millions have been forced to move or flee the country, the world's largest displacement of people by conflict today and its last 10 days in office. the binding administration has announced the rapids support forces which has been fighting the sudanese army since april 2023 has carried out genocide. so how is the situation worse me? why i so many more people now in danger and what's being done to end the conflict will talk to our guest shortly. but 1st, this from victoria gave to me and warning her report contains images view as might find distressing. after nearly 2 years of fighting in sudan,

the scale of human suffering is catastrophic researches from the london school of hygiene and tropical medicine estimate more than 61000 people have been killed. 26000 as a direct result of the violence. the rest from starvation and disease the situation is worse than since the army launched it offensive to take banks of capital from the permanent tree. rapid support falls in september, december sofa. the escalation of the fighting, including exams, i'm displacement, come with civilians killed and injured by artillery, selling under reports of those seeking to leave the camp being blocked from doing so. do you and says move in 12000000 people have been forced to leave the home since april 20, 238800000 within the countries. boat is another 3300000 crossing into neighboring countries, including egypt, chad and south sudan,

a global hunger monitoring system, known as i p c says 5 areas of facing famine. more than 24000000 seed needs will experience high levels of food and security by may conflict and force displacement women in the primary drivers of this crisis, exacerbated by restricted humanitarian access, sustain violence, and he cannot make turmoil have disrupt in markets. and it also driven prices of staple goods to on affordable levels. fighting abrupt dude after a power struggle between the head of the army, abdel, such a elva, and just form a deputy mate. how many times on deck. lo, if the rapid support forces us all the united states accuses the recess and its allies, its committing genocide during the capture of most of west of full states. it says the group has systematically attacked civilians targeting particular ethnic groups and carried out mass rate attempts by the us. saudi arabia i'm afraid to broke or

sustain ceasefire. i have sales sedan is now looking to president elect donald trump, the help we think uh president trump is a deal breaker. who would be there ready to strike a deal with? we would be ready there to select the deed with. we are not coming to an empty handed rehab or a blueprint to engage with the u. s. at all times as the conflict intensifies, most civilians are at risk that say for the international community has had little success in securing humanitarian access. oh, bringing the fighting to an end. victoria gates and b l g 0, the inside story. the best now bringing our guests from london, we joined by hollywood high, who was a political analyst who specializes in research on a policy on to don and the horn of africa in geneva is dr. location capella, who was the united nations resident and humanitarian coordinator for so don in 2003

in 2004. he was vocal about the atrocities a he witnessed him down for and infinity goss capital. the car is out of my jang, the african union, especially in boy on the prevention of genocide. welcome to you all. thank you so much for joining us on inside story home to, to hire in london. if i can start with you, we have today one of the worst worst humanitarian crisis, a war that's creating mass funding as we've heard. and will be a, you know, delving deeper into that in just a moment. but i wanted to get your reaction 1st to the us declaring and determining that the, our assess. and it's all lies that committing genocide in to dot. and so dawn today, what do you make of that and, and what do you think has motivated this decision? now i think it's high time the united states made this designation. we have, we know that the us has been sitting on information about the atrocities being committed

by the hours of, for some time, the roll them bucks into the yale sit on the bar tree. and observatory, excuse me, the human rights watch, obviously, international. all of them have released reports that say that those atrocities were committed effectively amount to genocide. um, so this is not exactly as surprising. what is surprising is the timing. i think it's very interesting that the, by the end instruction chose to throw this grenade effectively in the jump directions, template ministrations way because they are the ones we're going to have to deal with the different magic full out with. also naming the united arab emirates and their engagement with the r as s. all right, out of my jang. your reaction as the special and for the african union, special envoy on preventing genocide. how do you view this decision by washington? especially when itself, the us itself has been accused of facilitating a severe human rights abuses and genocide in the gaza strip. what difference do you think this determination is going to make into that?

well, it is very sad. i mean, uh oh, do we have been c, r o b committee the last 21 months in. so that waiting today. wow. to leave these got, i mean the station and does make a determination. why is trying to say, of course, that they have been deliberating for management to me is, it's kind of, i would say, a game. but this doesn't use those cities. we are not allowed to play with the lives of the sudanese but so that means people have been suffering for so long and i by says have raise this issue with many aspect of the this remind me about that responsibility. it was in 2000 when they agreed that never they gave, they would allow genocide counts against matching what types to be committed under

their eyes when they see deeper facing the reason they have the obligations that these are the for. it's a b as a can you can consider mr. adam a j i. one way if i can ask you miss adam a jane, what will this us determination of genocide do effectively create paved the way for additional international action? does it put the onus now on the different doctors in this conflict in sit on the u . e, for example, which has been accused of, of backing diarra stuff? well, i only hope that it will be applied in court for all member states. oh, signatories of the general side, convince them about data of vacation, depth, responsibility to prevent the crime of the site. and as they know, these conventions start with defense and before even rich grabbing the punishment.

so it is my hope that the results of, uh, just bus man of the month. right. cause such that as a starting base. because what he's quoting for, awaiting the wording bodies to stop in the detroit and ment buffing, know, try to independent photos to make sure that sidney and the boat police an output to get into that. i mean, to me, uh we, it is very unfortunate. how does that happen, guys? uh, which ease a dental side. and i made it clear in your tv at the time and i was just select vice of the particulars of the i see i have been sitting on so that the investigation be carried in a way to enable the prosecutor to get the evidence. and it said, what's that?

i would need both general behind and commit to about step responsibility. i asking, clearly to hand where is see if today is in the documents. and to mean what is extremely important, is to make sure that the perpetrators of these crimes one's identified. investigation being counted on properly be brought to justice and the less not to be taken at post page. just talking about the tools and supplies. yes, to have has to be done, but we need also to address the group policies of dissertation instead of 20 years ago in the will remind us. yes, and let's bring one more cash on that to get the cash to double cash copy. that was indeed there in 820032004 location i. i wanted to get your thoughts about the

situation today and how it compares, of course, to what you witnessed when, when you were in. so don, but more specifically about this us action location could be that when announcing the designation of genocide on to the blinking, the us secretary of state said that the us does not support either side of the call face, but he's specifically pointed the finger at the r a says, and it's online, is it in the are itself, of course, as you know, a measure of the notorious from the notorious dungeon, we'd munitions that committed atrocities and on for in 2003. how do you view this, you a section and do you think it's going to make any difference on the ground in? so dawn today that was in the us statement. do so well come in stating what i think most of the actors have completed the some time ago, but it is politically too late coming to the tail end of this administration. the point has already been on the part of being a made. the thing to us is ability to actually extract any uh,

any action is so limited and i honestly don't get the trump administration is going to make this the prior year due to the beginning to come to the audio question on the how is this different from could you a, just a good one of the us in the jeeps? the? well, the situation this part was today that it was put 2 years ago. good, 2 years ago when i show to the but the terrible things ever going on and in doubtful it back to the security constitution. it like to refer to the stuff to come have goals, a leg to uh, decide to just type in declared and the documents are being made. it elects to you in the in union, the peacekeeping forces on the ground while uh, how did you do that? and uh, hundreds of thousands sir displaced a theres been this, i bring the dentist, i did come to an event. today, none of the fact is mentioned to apply the student council, they should have finalized the supervisor or the distracted desk and union dues.

what's the use list? i'm sorry to say adama and the i think the we have uh uh it just does pulling it across purposes. it just says people supporting different sizes to join agencies themselves. what did, what do you mean? it's got to be them. why do you think of the, the response this time has been so effective and ineffectual? is it a case that the international community doesn't care box to don or more case when you look at the humanitarian situation, for example, of not being able to physically get aid on the ground? what, what, what is the root cause of this neglect? from the international community you think? i don't think the word doesn't to get i. i really believe that people don't. i'm going to get enough for go elsewhere around the peace of mind to give them the front of them in the world as well. and then why doesn't bring the most attention? is what they've reaching months? no, i don't think it started. i think what did they lose at the options available to make

an intervention are much more difficult ones, for example, the humanitarian side, which is a very germane to this whole level of discussion. i think i'm like, previous there is whether you haven't had more robust approaches where they kind of meet the technician approach to getting a into conflict areas of to officer done with the seem to move now to a permission seeking approach. because turner through the contested, then even in our as a controlled areas, that's uh, so disney's armed forces, the, if i put them in how to get permission before you can use ads, right, and so on. so that's one thing that you run into bold enough. secondly, i think there's not enough support just because you might have getting knock this to do a lot of the, of the, of the lifting it all of this. that's one thing. i'm on the political side. i think the point is people are a people are more interested in doing deals with incoming them. us presidents,

when the deal has to be done between the 2 sides and that it has to come from within, from civil society involvement from disability and like this process is which i know i mentioned in passing, but quite honestly nobody take some very seriously. so a whole lot of, of the political inconsistencies as well as i think you might, you might have to to how this on behalf of the international matters in it is a plane. you decide the millions on the verge of salvation incidence. ok. and allow itemizing to respond in just a moment to, to the you, you saying location to figure out that the african union has been are useless and, and to slice in this crisis. but let me bring in hold for i salute the finding that you and says that's finding why conditions are now present in 5 areas of. so dawn, even though the, the government has denied this, what do you know is the reality of the situation on the ground today? what, what can you tell us about what's happening on the ground? and do you agree with location about why the reasons behind this, this neglect,

it would seem from the international community i think, you know, the institutional barriers that add up to more cash layouts are all very validated by do think the sit on is seen as a low priority area and more importantly it's, you know, that, that what is happening and so that is sort of refracted through the lens of allies of either the us or russia, etc, in the region. and so, so down is not really seen on its own terms. i'm guessing very clearly that humanitarian catastrophe, incident does not move political decisions. you know this, for example, done side. does it, does it nation determination excuse me? it was not made because, and you know, of anything that was happening on the ground necessarily, but more to do with the political dynamics in washington. and what we have seen when it comes to the humanitarian aid, you know, obstacles in lots of pop. he went, has created those obstacles for himself by recognizing one of the pleasure in parties of the sydney's on forces of the government. and that for instance, using

a whole set of blockages for its own state for its own self. it is not to move that for 5 and needs as a mentor and imperative to act, but rather by some kind of state member state. um, you know, push towards about having some kind of government in place. so i would say what are you saying? hold on that the un itself is obstructing this delivery of a to is that the case today i'm saying the un is how stringing its own efforts by recognizing might have to be during policies as the government. and this means that it cannot override any of the different types it gets from, for example, puts it on. and of course, by that same token, the reference of both forces also wants to be recognized as a government because they see this a symmetry. and now there's also talk of a rapid supports of forces, setting up a government in the areas as soon as this week. and obviously this to just genocide determination puts a huge dent in, in the ability to do so because the credibility of shopping has been stopped as a new people for awhile. but any legitimacy that might be able to cool from the

international community had been dented by this genocide determination. had that been done early, i think it could be potentially in a better place in terms of some standing in the way of the what looks like the almost inevitable splits of the country. now what i think needs to happen is exactly what we'll catch that there are local actors on the ground who have been delivering monetary an age for the vaccinations. again has put a lot for you know, the large part we ignored them. a has not leaned into the playstation agenda as much as it should have, but the blame doesn't stuff that, you know, i totally agree with the cache of the african union has been completely to this in many ways. it has also stood in the way of its own action, primarily by sort of capitulates. and if you will, to the political interest all for example, regional acts of especially in the gulf. okay, let's allow adam. i jang, the african union, special envoy on the prevention of genocide, to respond to that. and i don't know as well. uh, it is very unfortunate that the opposite. the union has been failing the

people of so down when it comes to protecting decisions and that he may know that at the time i got even suggested that for us to be deployed. but we, oh no, that's uh when we speak about the rights of the asking union the fee, you know, it's not very clear where to it. i have to uh receive the go ahead, the green light from the 6 the got the button not by my own view is that had the being strong political. we a to disagree in doing so that it would have been possible we have seen in the past when the in the 2000 when one that decided to probably it's to, to do to do that for me. and i think it is simply the shame that said

in this yeah, lab come, i'm working the 31st. i need to be a big enough side separated against the duties and one to which prompted in fact the opposite and union in 2000. the $77.00, both and optic of for each of the consecutive can remain. so that see, i mean, why this bescedy t, i mean, we all know that, that out. so he's, you know, uh, forward sees around. we know that sometimes when it comes to making a bo this season, it is not that easy, right? that is why the chip doesn't have to asking them himself during the come or isn't of the 25th to any. but sort of the, give me the piece and the discounts that have to ask them, union me did said tia showing clearly the difficulty is not only regarding the

relationship between the rex and the asking union, but also even the member states. and that to be honest, okay, unless the absolute can lead this coming suddenly in february, look each other in the eyes and say, let's go back to adkins cushion list for the field obligation. otherwise just thought to be just of cause those lead to who will be failing this, what it needs to be. but again, and i wish i paid them either as a matter of fact. so donna is a classic example, and look at situation now, is an indictment try to our humanity to add the collective output to failure, to use a mind 90. okay, people of let me ask more cash cappella then about the way for the v i p. c. simon

review is projecting that 5 additional areas in so don will face simon in 2025, and that there is a risk assignment in 17 additional areas. so what can be done now today you've talked about some of the reasons the causes. what can be done now to avoid a further humanitarian catastrophe? is there no easy answer so i'm afraid. i think the 1st we have to, uh, but i don't actually have trouble is that the humanitarian, i'm going to go tracts have to be dissociated. now it's a bit comfortable dr. for me to actually say that when we know that there are only political solutions to this crisis. but my point here is that to buy, spinning out the public dixon, spinning of the diplomacy, both the us on voice to us on boys and old on by the original boss. i've actually made the situation worse. what we need to do is to go back to some of the tools that put the plug pretty as go with the high level to manage duty and leadership

both with you in the, in the us administration and regular gain into complex vision which are focused on the humanity and it shows, regardless of the ability to go a context based on the number one objective being too close to a true in what type of way possible from all particular directions into the country . and that to make it the top priority. and the politics will flow from that, not the other way around, which we have traditionally believed, because naturally that's what the traditional, the thinking is. i think i'm afraid hundreds of thousands are going to die in regards to what you say admission pulled ourselves in that, but i really do think you need to up the humanity, not on the one that it's a general has not shown the district in this particular area, and they knew who my 10 coordinator wrote me a yet as he is, i can still have to find him on. i don't think they're doing what they should be doing. and i think the us administration to us the id and the state department for

salt quite take much themselves and put the monitoring on top of the political agenda in the back of the to say. but so please like more that it's more important than saving the student needs mission, hold high. do you agree with location computer that the humanitarian and political tracks need to be dissociated? we've heard also from this sort of nissan bassett, or a to you in a few days ago who, who express face an incoming trump administration, that the us would be able to strike a deal to end to end this conflict. do you, do you believe that this new administration will be more successful in brokering a lasting ceasefire? so there's a difference between a ceasefire and piece. do i think that the terms of ministration can negotiate to cease 5 potentially do? i think the company ministration can negotiate that piece deal not very what much. and the reason for that is that the trump administration, you know, in the 1st time when we say the process per log, it hasn't really paid much attention to sedan other than through the lens of the

abraham codes. and it will probably continue to do the same, this time, average musical, very much defy to us allies in the region side, uribe agents in the united app. i want to cut a couple together. some kind of sees 5 deal now that them in by no means means that there's going to be any kind of peaceful resolution to this, to this complex. and it also means that most likely, you know, civilian, active democracy just as accountability. those things will be very much left by the wayside in favor of some kind of military deals. now, even if that happens, i think what with with what we've seen very much is that the us government is in many ways i'm up till now. i'm not done actually be anything that is very, you know, positive towards moving sit down towards a peaceful resolution by not the linking humanitarian aid from the political track . asthma catches said, we have now this sort of hodge podge of approaches that don't really make sense. and what it has allowed to the pleasure in the policy. so do chiefly the are

assessing the staff is to use 8 as a political football is to dictate the terms of aid. and that by also dictate the terms of the peace processes, which is why none of them have gone very far. now the since didn't even bother to, to the one who takes is or does very much. some of the sudden use on falls is, is a part of that act to is, you know, in right now, i'm taking pots and, and contributing to farm and denial. and it's very much like it wants to keep the conversation. they don't want to have a conversation about any piece, do not want it. so the dry season. and that's why they hope to take that call to them into 0. and they want to use this monetary to access the block and use it, they putting in place the farm in denial as destruction, away from the political track. that's why it's essential to the link, the to all right out of my jane, your thoughts as it essential less hold and we'll cache to the link for humanitarian crisis with the political one. and what decisive actions are needed now, to create, to think lasting patience is on. we need quickly to take a decision. i mean the, the, i'm talking about the asking, but i, the pro,

asked him doing an end the united nations 2 days in may get action. that to really go and take this with the needs. but they can start as well if they want it . we're going to have to leave it, but it is an important conversation that we're having and i'm sure that we will keep having it in the next 2 weeks here on alger 0. thank you so much for joining us. who would hire out of my ging and will cash compete? i thank you for joining us on inside story and thank you to for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website at all. just c o dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a great inside story. and of course you can join the conversation on x. i handle. is that a j inside story for me please back to going holstein. thanks for watching by from the

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