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more names lasting marks on a person and a community and that times most of the time, those scars last beyond the generation directly affected by the conflict of these boys. in on this episode of the stream, we discuss what means and kills long after the guns are silenced. joining us to discuss morse guns have a b is behind the environmental colleges to has documented a war, created environmental hazards in the middle east, particularly in postwar iraq, alex foley, the co founder of the accountability archive a web to documenting israel's assault on gaza is also a ph. d on will that color? biology of health and disease, and liz dollar as a consultant,

nurse at university hospitals of lester, specializing and as best as related health issues and ceo of news, i'll tell you, will not you. okay, thank you all so much for your time. thank you for being part of the stream today. alex, if i could start with you, how would you say wars to long after the conflict itself is over? for sure. uh, so there are a number of ways i think, when we think about the long term effects of war, we often think about pdf, the trauma having lived through those experiences. chest is often thought of as just a psychological disorder, but it has many physiological impacts as well. so people with p t s t the, the brain regions that are responsible for emotional regulation actually then and, and so that has all sorts of downstream effects on the person's psychology. so when you're in a highly adrenaline state, when you're in that fight or flight state for

a long period of time when you're releasing cortisol, that stress hormone that has negative impacts on the body that can have cognition. learning disability in the future as well as hyper tension and, and metabolic sin, drums. and thank you so much for, for bringing up a non tricia as well because a, we often don't talk about, but also the horrific depths that may cause. we're going to talk more about asbestos in particular later in the show, but more than gone you, you've published work on harmful health impacts of work creation pollution across the middle east. and we'll talk more about your work in iraq and just a moment. how would you say? well, alex is describing how describe just now relates and will relate to what's been happening in gauze. what are some of your other observations in terms of the conflict, the war? the assault is unfolding right now in front of our eyes. we know

that in the past year and 2 months, a 100000 tons of bonds have been dropped on the gaza. garza is a quarter of the size of london, a $100000.00 tons of bombs on a small area like that. and by the way, a $100000.00 tons of bonds is equivalent to several atomic bomb the united states dropped on hiroshima. so when we speak to this massive, incredibly unprecedented bomb being in an area of the size of gaza, we're talking about introducing not only as best this, but also incredible amounts of toxic metals into that environment. we are introducing let and mercury, which are normal thompson's. we're going to do some all kinds of corrections and carcinogens, and what i can see happening in gaza is that you have but we are looking into the

future where god is not a good place for reproduction. and i might add that that is a war crime if you inflict so much damage on to a place where it becomes impossible to have healthy children, you are committed to work on that's expected to leave long term damage. chemical substances like uranium from lessons and bonds, lingering people's bodies as was documented after this 2002 us. we now know these chemicals caused for defects for productive issues and various concerts. and a more devastating outcome is expected and has where his real has dropped thousands of tons of bumps the residual chemicals can also cease into the soil and water with his best those, posing a threat, the survivors of the war for decades to come and lives the u k was the world's largest in puerto, of as best as much like the rest of the world. it has banned the manual. and as

we've been talking about here or in the 37000000 tons of debris is within gaza, then you in estimates, there are some 800000 tons of us best us in there. not. not many, probably building so riddled with us best. awesome. we have a managing fit you approach so that we found the impulse in the use of the best of 25 years ago. many possibilities still contain it on the very low levels come lead to developing me. so they are now, which is this critique can be asked to come so close by, exposure to asbestos and there are no size levels. and when i found a problem, members of said, you know, often it can take 2030 years school back disease to manifest itself on. so unfortunately, you know, the devastation that we're seeing across our television screens that's happening and goes over and, you know, not the people of golf and know how much outbreaks for all of them. but the tragedy is going to continue to unfold. i'm afraid and you know, my final feller pa, members of outlined some of the tragedies going to one folder

a special so nice to disease is, is, you know, and actually going to be one of those properties in the future. it's just a horrific to think about that, especially because he receives so many children wondering around these the debris. so alex, there is, and this will tell you a lot, but there's also other conditions that may arise get, can you talk to us about what else are the risks and the implications here on breathing and this dust? sure, yeah. so when i 1st started seeing these images coming out of the house of people coded, you know, completely white with dust or the images that sprung to my mind were of 911 responders, 1st responders. i think there's a very clear parallel there. and when we often talk about, especially as related diseases, we're talking about people with prolonged exposure. but these are people with acute one time exposures, and they've developed all sorts of diseases. i think, you know,

one of the 1st stuff was a 1st responder who developed pulmonary fibrosis, which is the disease that relates not from not to cancer. a long term scar and the scar tissue develops around the lungs, making it more and more difficult for the patient to breathe until eventually they can no longer breathe at all and they, they die. and there are other similar diseases likes to the coast this which is caused by breathing and pulverized silica pulverized concrete. and that also relate the also causes of pulmonary scarring that results in death. um, you know, asbestos as a as a particularly bleak disease as i'm sure your other panelist and tell you, i'm sorry this is related to as best as a quite bleak i means that the on but has a 8 percent 5 year survival. right. i believe it's, it's, it's quite dark and you know, asthma, all sorts of other cancers and kansas,

the test do use kansas and be a domino walls. and really, you know, these toxins can cause a whole range of health conditions that i'm sure we won't be able to fully understand until, you know, it's decades down the line from now. um, it is mind blowing because it also speaks volumes about just how many more ways to kill there are range apart from, from the bones and, and to show the metals like lynn and mercury, externally high in samples of children with birth defects. when you compare it to children who are healthy, we have shown that the same metals are high in the bodies of the parents. so we have a wealth of knowledge about, about what has happened in iraq. and my fear is that the bombing in gaza has been much more intense than bombings any well. and so i would expect to see

a lot more damage to the public health in gaza compared to iraq. and you up, we have shown that titanium cadmium from you. all of these are metals that are supported by it's huge industry behind them that feeds into women's manufacturing. it's important for us to recognize a lot of these metals are not normally found in high toxic levels. in our environment, they appear when it place is barbaric. we bumped like there was in iraq. and now there is in, in the gaza an in syria. that is when we see these metals released into the environment and people would, he held them, they would eat them in the food that they eat in multiple ways. people get these metals into their bodies, particularly sensitive. are old people, young people and women who are pregnant when i see these images, although i just want to share the testimony of dr. muhammed to hear,

who volunteered in gaza and then get your reaction. take a look. uh, the last case we just did was a young man who was the subject of an explosive injury. i had penetrating the trauma to his chest and the paralyzed was on. mike's suspected that he had a breach of texas injury, but actually i was quite shocked when they found that a single cube like structure had penetrated the skin cup through what we call the option. and then also the low chunk and then lost itself in the skin of his back. and this as left him with promises. uh, it was right on. i was probably will become that because of the nature of the condition of despite our best efforts. so, these cubes that i use perfectly formed cubes that may have tungsten and they, uh,

uh, built into weapons that actually are designed to explode and cause maximum damage indiscriminately was gone. your, your reaction to this, you were not doing the whole way through what, what an interesting finding. we have found high levels of tungsten associated with increases in birth defects. any role in both see the same scenario in gaza if and when the scientists are allows they are to test to study the real consequences of this genocide. i also want to ask you more is gone. the us as such a nice of military, the world's largest, and such a long belligerent history in terms of number of interventions around the world. and they're leaving behind much more than just destruction in the places you've studied, right? they are turning areas into places where life and the big sense of healthy life is

actually no longer possible. no longer possible pockets of environments in the middle east, in my opinion, have been rendered reproductively a toxic. and the it is, i'm, if there are possibilities to studies, i think these would include syria, lebanon, gaza, at all of these places that the united states has bomb 2 of the past 20 years. and so i am extremely concerned about it. and what i hope people will take from this is that they should, they should stop, they should go to their, their representatives, go to their city council, go to their student government, and ask them to pass resolutions against these kinds of master bombardments and demand a clean of a clean up is possible,

the 237000000 tons of rubble and it takes 14 years to clean it up. all of that is true and it sounds very scary. however, if we as a population put pressure on the representatives on our governments, we can clean it up if western powers including the united states and european union . if they put the kind of zeal and funding into cleaning up the environments, they have the great if they do that, we kind of clean it up. trillions of dollars have gone into creating these devastation of the same trillions of dollars that goes out of our pocket. can be used to clean up guys up to clean up syria to clean up live enough and to clean up you well. and that is what i, what i hope to be able to lead the lives you mentioned, there is no care to me. so tell you what is your sentiment when you watch the pictures out of cause? and particularly when you see children in the midst of the debris,

what are your thoughts? it's just heartbreaking and you know 60 percent of people who are diagnosed with me . so i see that i'm a little di. we've been again with the diagnosis and softly the specialist will have taken 203040, maybe 58. so you know, it took into account ability and going forward. who's to pay for this? will there ever be reparation as well? that's the question. i mean the, there's 2 parts of it, right? there's what should happen and that's what will likely happen. what should happen is that the i, c, j should route rule was south africa. israel should be found liable for all of the stuff and, and quite possibly genocide and they should be forced to pay for, for all of the harm caused, including the ongoing health effects that we will receive for decades and decades to come. what will happen? i don't know likely they will have to go out for humanitarian, global humanitarian appeal. but that really limits what can be done. you monetary

and organizations are not allowed to rebuild. and so who will do that work? i think the point is the, the people do in this because right, let's do not want them to rebuild likely. um, but i want to, you know, i brought up the 911 responders earlier. and i think it's an interesting counterfactual because they were americans, heroes. they were held up by congress, people, senators, as you know, the best of america and what was done to them, they were left to rot after it was no longer politically useful to hold them up. and it took a protracted decades long bottle for them to get their, their funds to exist into the future. imagine well as the company is exactly what does that mean for the people who have been forsaken by the world? how are they going to be able to pay for the treatment? it's the expense of treatments that will likely to go on long into the future. you know, and, and it's important to, to, you know,

note that this is all happening. while there's a concerted effort to defend, to get rid of on row. so what is going to be put in place of thought? i don't know me. unfortunately, we're out of time for this discussion. i wanna think alex was gone and this thank you for your time today. thank you for being part of the stream. and thank you all for tuning and stay in touch with us on social media. you can send us your questions and suggestions using the hash tag or the handle energy stream. take care . and i'll see the sun go south west size of challenging place to work from. as a journalist, even though the say you can't do it, it's not allowed to appreciate you. we're always pushing a boundaries for here

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