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the small time chicago owners a no competition for the multinational. like the right now i think comics should how get this business for this product that us only with some kind of regulations if needed. old words from culture and traditions of cash mean a me to draw for to it is who brief tensions in the region to visit minis a this should be protected at all costs. i mean that's an end is just 0 more on all the stories. what covering on colleges 0 on our website or knowledge? is there a dot com? that's it from me shortly. bye to laura kyle: we'll have another news are for you in about 30 minutes from now after the stream which discusses how conflict ends neglect, threatened humanities, cultural heritage. heritage to stay with us on. i'll just hear the

there is no channel that covers the world, like we do the scale of this campus like nothing ever asked us to help. but we want to know, how does these things affect people? we revisit please state even when there are no international headline, houses are really invested in that. and that's a privilege as a journalist for the past 15 months, alongside the killing and maiming of tens of thousands of palestinians history in and around because that has been reduced to rubble by israel. and today's show we look into what war does to culture and what the future looks like when your collective past has been erased. and these forces, and this is the strength to imagine losing and their replaceable piece of your story. a link to the very essence of who you are and where you come from. that's what's happening as cultural heritage sites around the world are facing unprecedented threats during conflict from deliberate

destruction, neglect, for example resources. randy. the questions have endangered the iconic unesco world heritage sites like abided buds and sire and 11 on and it has the charge of said for serious a 1600 year old symbol of resilience has been a target of repeated devastating attacks. these aren't just isolated incidents, they're part of a distressing pattern of cultural a razor unesco saves that at least 200 sites have been destroyed in the past year. besides the that have been damaged or destroyed? include the ancient saved claudio and modesty. the great how much mosque and because as us 1st support, the app is in harbor. we've seen this before, but it's like i still have obliterated myra and syria and emerald and iraq targeting temples, tombs and statues all to our res cultural heritage identity. when these landmarks are destroyed, it's not just physical damage, it's the separating of

a connection to our past. our stories are shared humanity, protecting the sites, means preserving more than just stones and ruins. it's safeguarding the legacy of human creativity and resilience. intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science, and historic monuments. amounts to war crimes. that's not me saying it, but the rome statute of the international criminal court, the general southern gaza, has led many to believe international law has become little more than a concept the states aspire to with no real consequences if they don't abide by it . and we are currently witnessing a non president of level of aggression against cultural landmarks to bind people together and served as testament to our shared history. joining us to discuss the implications of this almost offer a palestinian content creator and digital activist poll mathis, a serial num, american author, musician, and content creator. advert cartucker on 11 east television host officer and

advocate promoting our of achievements and social causes. gentlemen, thank you so much for being part of the stream today is a pleasure to have you a more when we talk about cause that we talk about hundreds of sites of historical importance that have been destroyed or damaged by israel in our chat before the show you said something that stuck with me? you said the palestinians are used to this. can i ask to how this affects cultural identity? yes, actually when i say the seniors are used to this, the main named is just the use of being a price, then they will stop being given gun to the compassion for the last 76 years. and actually how they are affected is actually the cost of the lensing is bar adults actually like browsers on the side. so when you destroyed culture with her decides

and units go protected sides and churches. and most of this scale, you're basically cleansing the culture and the history of the head. and that affects the connection, the connection between the people and the land. they load, they, they lose the identity. this is, this is affecting the identity of the people generation after generation after generation. and it's heartbreaking is in it. and that's why we called you guys to join us today to speak about this connection. ricardo, you're joining us from beirut, lebanon, being israel, 2nd front, and we've seen what is doing to sites there as well. here, a village in southern lebanon, the location of a 2000 year old trying, going 1st, how does that make you feel as a lebanese and what are the implications of damaging sites and structures such as vall that can tire on the lebanese people. but also what does that mean to all of

us to the rest of the world? i believe i belong to the generation that has decided to do you mean the best buy and all the attractions we have and or the grid offers. i personally have to pursue my cri somewhere else, and i've decided to remain here. i live in them is not a new state and then is history by itself. it's a boss because 1002000 years of history of family. i shared the positives and the willingness to the meal. we had the, the 2 different kinds of what was in lebanon, and they've always made it, and they may be here at this so, so it's, so i'm making to see villages for the part to see people scattered to

see this phase. people went over, it has been had terrible war, but it has nothing to do. and you cannot compare it to what my people and their friends and guess i went through the we've spent the past few weeks, other ground with people helping give a loving epidemiologist. and i'm so grateful to little of any use as for problem of unity and they're saying that already and we've seen most of our country disappearing the same time. we still hold that people to e mailed and telling me at home. oh and, and it is so difficult, isn't it? to put into words what these places actually mean to people on poll. syria's recent history is populated by very painful losses of cultural heritage as well, particularly when isis um,

controlled large parts of the country and destroyed sites there at a non precedent and scale because we've had time now to reflect upon those particular losses. how much would you say they have been felt? do you think the world is paying enough attention to what's happening? not only obviously to people and people's lives, which is absolutely horrendous, but also to these pieces of our history as well. they could always pay more attention. i know that sites especially like all of myra and other tragic stories of distraction, saying heritage can sometimes be ignored. but there's also attention that's being paid and it's, there is work that's being done to restore it and to rebuild it. and i think the most important thing is just to remember, like the other said,

it's so important that to remember that all of this is connected to each other. it's not just seeing heritage and how that hair is connected to the rest of the world. i mean, palmyra was a trade route, it was a road that led to palestine and to the not into. all right, so it's not just, i've seen heritage that the world can ignore its world heritage. that kind of is part of the story of how we all came about and built our own i individual identities. mm hm. which is why i use the word our history. i'm from brazil and i definitely consider all my a part of my history as well. um, you guys have all heard of this on in gaza, who has been documenting the risk conditions for people. and she has also been doing quite a lot of work on how much the landscape has changed. take a look at this. so before the war before the 0 sides, the used to. so the stories of these things all places um

but no people are filtering in these properties in these places. no one is the way that one of the places that i mean basically that didn't have any readings like these. and this time being very close the time it is close to the side this historical sites. these people are also using the art in front of the building or the evenings, the charge of the solar cell, which has a some destroyed and damaged because of all the buildings. so they're hanging very close your sleeping, they're having some interest here and just surviving. this is how we provide a more i wanted to ask you about who's responsible for protecting the site. so we

actually reached out to unesco, the un educational scientific and cultural organization. they declined our invitation for this episode sizing the type schedule of their experts, but sudden this on their website. wall priority is widely given to the humanitarian situation. the protection of cultural heritage in all its forms must also be taken into account in accordance with its mandates. unesco calls on all actors involved to strictly respect international law. cultural property should not be targeted or used for military purposes, as it's considered to be civilian infrastructure. amari your thoughts on this. obviously they have a point because the priority is a mentor and situation human lives. but if all agencies like you know, school can do is voice their concern and call for restraint, then who is actually supposed to protect the site. unfortunately,

the only award we are getting isn't this kind of a big situation and madness. and it's actually a genocide at a scale that people are saying, seeing nothing, doing nothing to protect the human rights to protect the humans that are living there. so now we have extra point that there is a scales aggression that people are just saying like protect the humans just like we don't care anymore about anything yet. so it's, it's just the amount of aggression and goes up made people think quantities of stuff, but just the stuff that that's what people want. oh, was responsible of other ones. i think the science was actually the unit, the unit. so the international community, all of this should act immediately. i'm not already calling them because going donation is not doing anything anymore. going into my nation is not protecting people. and actually is or is,

is this throwing every everything not only look not on the storage sides, residential building, not understanding anymore and goes up the amount of destruction exceeded 80 percent 90 percent or does those buildings so that your nest was doing nothing fired from con, dummy and asking the parties to protect and per se, and is right. it is manufacturing concerns by using that from us fighters, that they are hiding under everything in order to destroy everything and to destroy the culture, to the story, the history, to destroying the religious sides of the city and goes on. so there must be more action, there must be more international protection for this sides as well for the humans, for and on that particular point of manufacturing consent. ricardo, i want you to take a look at this cliff, we sourced from social media,

and then i'll get your reaction. let me show you how to use ravaged, try and companion factory consent for the destruction of all that the world heritage site through the you. so we keep pdf when you click on the page and file back. this pops up. and as you can see, it states that file back is a has the last stronghold. but if you go to the internet archive and search for previous situations of the page, you find that that sentence is not there. so i decided to do a little bit of thinking you're going to talk, but then we can media. you'll find the discussions that editors have on content and check out these exchange between 2 people. when it's questioning why did statement the file back is, here's the last stronghold keeps popping up. and then you have a hole back and forth in which the person who keeps adding this description to the repeat. if i do involve it, is facing that they have sources that show that he is a strong hold. so i'm going to look at the sources. there are 2 news pieces. what is the rest of america? the other one is right, there's the book states that fall back is a,

his blast from cold without any justification in sources whatsoever. this is with manufacturing consent is because for the thousands of people who never heard of the fall back before and went to look at it. and we could be the 1st thing that they see is it allegation that this city is a his full last franco and therefore it's possible for destruction. ricardo, your thoughts on what's been happening, and on this particular point of manufacturing consent, i mean, everything has become a, has ball or a mazda stronghold at this stage. can you, can you talk to us a little bit about that? i think this floor is more towards the phonetic is rather than anything else. um, no, i think the we have photo colors and the 4 colors has been damaged,

not even published. we lost our banking system, which was the eating while in the middle east. we had lost our point, they tried to also to destroy our medical health care system and the, the education and the have not succeeded, maintaining them against or offs of his for has been ongoing for, for decades and for decades. and it's so it's so sad, and we have to look more than the moderns. i think the tragedy does not stop by to box the so, of towns and cities, and lies not only in their historic sites, but also the seats. you need to know. we're looking to understand how the customer helps our, our community gathering, at least as are the old schools, like the when level to be a part of the treasures of

a long life. when you look at the goods, you see where people gather of the markets. you know, are made up of stories used to have be hacked away to use to come into stories for people from one generation to another. you know, these are symbols of identity and this is something nobody can ever touch and people. and when you know these faces a loss, when these pieces are damaged, which is over to, and very often without any kind of the reason they say, you know, the hezbollah, what the, you know, the army you know, is hiding there, you know, but they never come before that and those days and that just structures that affected it, his own memory, it's of the collective memory i. i want to bring in paul very briefly because he said something that we, when we talked about what's happening before the show you said nation building requires an identity. and if that identity is based on lies and you have to destroy

the evidence, is that what's happening here? that's right. yeah, uh, building and national identity is a, it requires somebody to put together some kind of cohesive narrative from history that serves the current national project. especially when that project is oppressive against an indigenous people like and palestine to reassure isn't a central part of building that narrative so, so you have to raise the longstanding evidence that directly receives the narrative you're trying to construct to justify crimes against humanity, who i would like for the 3 of you to stay with us while we bring it into the conversation. phoenix gets caught co founder of now here media. felix, thank you so much for your time. you've been using technology to preserve culture.

the places that are a threat of being destroyed or that have already vanished. i'd like to know a little bit more about the work that you do. thank you. so at now the media will be created most of the experiences. so we broke this virtual reality of funds or mental realities, and then the content context and pick it up and culture or yeah, concerns and concept in some form or another. so that, that should be, tends to sort of intangible, a cultural heritage for, for example, we have been working in ukraine during the or after the 1st conversion and documenting different types of sites that as well as cultural practitioner spots. it's very important that and the practitioners, the cultural participants and, but what is defined by culture is also the people. it's not only the buildings, it's an important talk, but also to people and to have an idea of the off that card signed and a formal and preserving it. and, and on this point,

the culture is much more than monuments and buildings on the intangible parts. dance, music, and language you guys also worked on this particular project consumed. let's take a look at a short clip and then i'll get you to explain what it's all about. a lisa garage, i'm going to push it out is no longer locked up. i'm gonna pass that by the by g w the some the, the no one is the. yeah. you know, i mean, that's one of the you don't when, when a so to one new thing when i, if somebody ask for me to on the particular importance of language and intangible culture, can you talk to us

a little bit more about costume to, but also about the importance of working with these communities everywhere you go when you're trying to rebuild places or oral language that are important to these people. yeah. so. so notice uh the, our experience that the co created together, the secret from the community and the power which is in a digital community there that used to be held together us and before us of my pop . and they are using that language say a few of us because and this very broadly, the story of an old man who forgot his mother tongue and his grand daughter picking it up again. and we have to really work together because communicate to make this happen in order to, to adjust this to the, to the culture and become span 9 or busing between barkers and us. and it was very clear that this would be done in a co creative methodology, and that's something we apply across our projects. it's possible in different fonts

or shapes and then click on the language is something that is much more than words . it's also been environments and which is spoken, obviously the context mattress and in this case which was the together community that speech language in a very specific context. and so that's what we're using at 3 d animation as well as 3 d scan, except for the run. a trace can send for the metric capture techniques in order to recreate some of these spaces and give an idea of how, how the culture and the language, the interconnected. they also built an artificial intelligence model like an option language model in order to be able to speak so that the audience is able to speak to someone that was in the experience to move a certain thoughts. oh, i mean it is fascinating what technology can do, but also say it doesn't bring these spaces in these places back. i want to talk about the future 9 for the invite them are record when pull back. i'm, i'm, are you just heard felix there in,

in the potential to create something that was lost back in a way, would you say that that is an alternative? i mean, it's better than nothing and what are the consequences for future generations? how will all of this loss affect them? it is absolutely important and actually it is very, very important to keep at least the visual if we can stay with the game or what have been strong to keep the visual of it. and so the generations can have a look at it in the future. and actually, this is something i think the effect of it flows, innovation the whole, if it's not a good time it's, it's just vanishing. the fraction of the funds in the ration for generations to come is actually something that people like above and beyond. for example, people to talk about $1000000000.00 somehow distinguish blankets,

people talk about it, but it's the, it's not like they don't know much about it, but they didn't mention it as the talk about it. and in my opinion, that frank flush integrations is actually the loss of identity. again, the feeling of disposition is if, if you lose all your heritage, i mean, you don't have connection. you don't have, you don't have the identity, but still people move, move this to their children. they talk about it. they tell them, like the palestinians, vargas, 75. you, they have been told above the next by they have been told about what's happened, the stories, everything. and the history of the culture is being transferred to generation after generation after generation. that is being presented this way, not only by physical side. so this is another way of preserving the culture and historic side buying, selling and having condition to remember, you know, that we have this technology. this is going to have it for sure. me pull in terms

of accountability, who's to pay for the cultural losses inflicted and what would justice look like in your opinion? well, going back to town, myra. uh, in that sense they were, they took digital scans of the site and that was how they were able to a to come back and rebuild through. i believe it was a unesco initiative to try and rebuild but was lost and destroyed there. the funding for that was an international effort an international effort would have been perfect for presenting that destruction happening in the 1st place. but once the destruction is perpetrated, it's nothing else. the rest of the world i think should come together to try and rebuild, since, as we said, it's just part of all of our history. so we should all make sure that we do it. we

can to archive rebuilds. and remember and on that note we will have to end the show. unfortunately, we are out of time felix alarm, paul and ricardo. thank you so much for your time. thank you for being part of the stream today. and thank you all for tuning and keep you in touch with us online for that use a hash tag for the handle, a j stream take care. and also using the in the face of the racing. the damage close to the precious cross. lots of chillies is being reversed with one of the world's biggest advert conservation projects. they're pretty emblematic of the pedagogy. and so if they're plentiful and they're calm like this one is, then you know that the system is coming back and that they feel no surrender. and

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