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fight argument. the re imagines traditional conference and serial contemporary audit challenges of the sections of heritage and with the entity and the clock hair and back to a place where tradition and innovation we've together in vivid colors and texture expression. join us as we explore how fog on the job stick just to post the presence of creating compelling new narrative. you know, the talking throughout the 0. i'd like to start with festival as opposed jones rich association. we've carpets in history and it's very much part of a dna as a nation, isn't it was there, but in a carpet is, is, uh, is related. it's not only for with historical but also geographical, or can they as a general sort of connection, like some, some carpets, for example, as the name of villages where they come look here can be

a design of full of this comes from this village. and then we name a carpet bite, this village or a stick need for a certain think you need less tomorrow or if the data, for example. so, and what else is it? of course, it's a sort of connection because every uh, every stage of history carpet also being changed. and it's kind of reflecting like that historical moment of, of, of this region in general. and especially for i've and this, does, this phrase isn't there wherever i lay my confidence, my height. exactly, because we like nature and the carpets only a human kind of science is sign in in, in the nature if you put in carpet into somewhere in the, in the beautiful nature and just separating your food, then that's kind of neat and giving color that the feeling of, of, of, of, of home, of cousin is and so you obviously absorb that association in that deep sense of connection and profit making. well, yes, i think so, because again, as i,

i grew up and carpets which really, but also the carpet is connection with the other part of cultural elements like our fixture of music. so that's why somehow i see it's like these kind of these codes. almost an old part of the cultural of objects sounds and a general process. so just but i think it's, it's kind of me even natural. but when we observing it and then you read interpretation, because because we're living in the, in the model number of the, so whatever it was in, in the past have to be relooked all the time. revisiting the remaining surfaces. reinterpret is probably so some, some, some, maybe as a maybe we should keep it as it, as it was as our, like interest or use it. well again, like it's, it's question and every, i think in every stage of history, every stage of even a human life, sometimes we need something from best. sometimes we don't. and then we have to,

we look, sometimes we have to maybe put in in the, in the, the, in the museums and just look at as a, as a part of pass right now. if you're willing to spill that, need more about the origins of your ok shortly. but 1st, what about the price? let me take this example here. extraordinary constellation, tell us about the process of making this and, and how you get to this. and this, this finished product. well, it's hard to say where the ideas start, because i just come like as a, as a source of, of, of, in a certain, uh, certain, uh, river that source comes from a little most right. say like, is a spring into a stream in the river and then the ocean of the idea develops into this yes, into this step starts with the with the digital sketch where i can manipulate with the, like adding or, or, or do something with this idea. then it's has to be transferred to the certain this special paper looking get

a paper where it's going to have to be drawn and the carpet has to be drawn. but by every uh, bye bye bye. not because the viewers have to understand in the, in this way, you mean the individual notes of the we've, yes. right? like, like a individual pixel. so most of this image. mm hm. so then it's, it's, it's, then it's being process stars because it's so the design reaches that of what a team of weavers who create that and put it together. how, how long does it take a oh it's, it's can take a year or more. it's into sometimes with a less so fee of year, but the general process like it's loading dying with it because it's to be your team or if not only fevers, but someone like who died making, creating this dice. and then in other process of stretching carpet, this also important because it's not going to stretch from graduates, is can, for more towards getting the going to be straight. and then when did you create

this when, when was this made and what's the inspiration behind it? and the thinking was a cool what it's called the dots and it's yes, and it's a, it's been like idea been kind of formalized in in 2020. so during the time when of most, oh oh, yeah. well while we're excited to feel the same thing. so that was the time when we didn't know where maybe we have to move and it's partly we understand what's going on and exactly what we talked before. that was in the past and where we're moving in the future. so yeah, i'm certain to you this, i'm starting to date of death, but i don't want to say that it was exactly about let's say that situation that dominion 20 to anybody in general. and that feels want to feel like we've come. sometimes we can feel it with our self with our, like in our personal life. but i think that was the time when over commanded to feel the same doubts since you design. but, you know, we've,

the corporate to yourself. is it sometimes difficult to transfer? you know, your vision, i think it's, uh, it's kind of a, today's artistic situation when artist mostly thinking then showing what they can do, but hands or bite more with the body. so it's giving kind of the beginning process. that's someone thinking someone doing someone transferring the between the of this process and it's kind of teamwork or i'm doing my part of the work and um, but i feel, i think i feel um, easier to just to think. i just keep my, my will kind of my vision. yeah. my vision maybe independent more appealing, pure kind of state because as you involving to do something different thinking. so you kind of bringing this so it's to, to the object. and then it's hard to think that to, to do that to,

to continue to think. i mean, if we're talking about a credit, if any credit, if task, for example, and despite the conceptual dates are available, am i right in saying that the notes themselves and notes of the we've to put the carpet together at the same notes that have been used for hundreds and hundreds of years for thousands of years. right. is that right? absolutely. exactly. because we're using authentic things that's been used at least 2500 years ago. when we actually part of it will find that i feel is, is fund oldest carpet, is that going to be significant? was that's been 2005 hundreds years old. right? yeah. i wonder what the original make is of that carpet would make of this. now have you ever thought about that? well, that this interesting that, that v was able technically made is the something like this, a bunch of it because it wasn't necessary. so that's why the best best interest is that we needed now, and then that's because we achieved within a certain technique. but what you, it's a certain way of thinking. so i mean,

he has a fair amount of it. so that's why i kind of find part of this tremendously best way i'm, i'm able to, to thing in this kind of other, but let's just say, you mean, then it was more about function and heritage is literally out. me. oh, the only thing i was suppose it was function. i know well it, yes, i think the that's always been like that because carpets has to exactly has to function to use the logic and use it as a, as a object. so it's warm it's causing. but to send them is a symbolic that symbols that can symbolize your culture, your um, your whole even like a or even your family for examples uh, some size on this. so and, but in general human side, because we've talked in like 2500 years ago. so the nature was dominant at that time, the civilization itself. so that's why there's some things she and then a humanized objects being like a more valuable maybe that's a then and then the nature itself. so today i think the sooner so we more for

shooting natures and yeah, especially. so let's, let's spin back now. yeah. to the origins of all this, was there a particular name until time or events that sparked all of this? well, i think it's good question. never thought about that, because as i said, maybe it is hard to see a source source starting from everywhere. but uh, but they are collecting here and now so i can tell maybe some, some like history that i remember that's getting that is going start from from childhood or a skin start from mom and then i draw it for sketch and that, oh, this is a good idea. uh uh huh. that's how it came naturally to you as a child. i mean i just generally drawing, i think, i think yes so uh because i, i really like freedom of time. so like freedom of acting for them. oh, so it's, and i think the arts was very like suits to,

to this kind of character. my 1st somehow it's been my 1st arthur if, if it's right to say. but at the same time, it was the time of the carpet to that i taught sydney when i was kits and i was 7 or 10 years old. so i didn't remember it now. so i just cut it off and that was very valuable time away from my grandmothers. so our valuable cough had a family heirloom that you took what a pair of scissors to or something and what cut out the past. yeah, just got off the patterns because i felt like that's the most of the people actually keep sexual playing with the, with the, with the carpets. so on the, on the like as a library and or like you see some size and you can kind of play with this. so, and as i like some size, nothing the right place and it has to just change. and i know it sounds like i can just put them back. so that's why like i just caught them with the just without thinking electricity that a little bit hard to. and then the 3rd like it's just selling apart. and how old are you? that was 7, maybe eights or something years and then what is your family say? what are your mom and dad say?

well that thing and they didn't, they didn't punish me. yeah, that was a good i think that was a good moment that they didn't because maybe from that's home and i feel like, oh, i'm free to do whatever i want so. so now i'm doing the same thing. have you been surprised in any way by the jenny this is taking you on the art versus older. surprising. uh, even though i so it's like, oh, i expect that i know that it's going to be likely, but it's always good bringing something. no, that's why i really loved this world. and this, this is human a phenomenal as art and that's, that's actually this abuse as a, as a today's institutions and conceptions that's bringing oh arthur together. so it's always bringing some given like art is who creating this new things to be kind of surprising sometimes with a, some ideas with some connection, some processes that happens in art. so it's always surprising when people look at

your installations, what do you want them to take away with them? well, 1st of all, i think good to move. that's important. or even there's more than enough good, adaptive, a deep. so that's, that's kind of the background of an idea that i think and you are have to receive from, from a, from an ard or the correct default. just so what, but i don't have a specific message that i want to put in. there are that people have to or view or have to get exactly that message. me. i think it's more question. so it's very like it's question in not in the language that the, that the locals i'm local people can understand, but it's kind of global question. because everyone as a, for example, tradition or even then self like tradition of them to themselves, they found that the tradition or the own physician like of course we can talk of the country or some certain people's tradition. and we stick to

this. did that, did that structure, but at the same time we as another, like we have an opportunity as an independent of, of how we're acting between 2 of this entities we were feeling with feeling move, fulfilling the, that's what once we have to do. so that's what kind of question of, of, in the global language back about the same thing. so, this is what i expect to do. it may be 2 people to feel that something that i so i'm feeling right. uh, no surprises. it depends on the environments at that time as well. and, you know, like, at this moment the world is in this place of on certainty and right, that's effects how you might view any piece of law. right? exactly, it's, it's right, because as, so that's the thing actually as, as, as the people, as, as a exactly message they will see. so then it will not bring that right. i think that the right answers and i, and a special today, right?

so people don't know what's going on. so for we, if we know even what's going on in the rules that regarding climate change in regarding pollution and other to global things that happen, that may for a, an invoice to everyone just doesn't matter. which is not, is that selecting a group of people or by any class of people. so, but it's, it's something that's making all of us. he will, we talked about the, the, the origins, the ancient history of, if a carpet making here, giving back 2 and a half 1000 years. do you feel that connection? have you felt that connection with those original people who are designing and creating carpets more than 2000 years ago and you know what today? i think yes, stuff to have them really feeling that and especially when not only that, carpet of the emissions actually 2500. but even like in other words and carpets that i see some details and there's this dent or reacting the same way. or they thought to, i don't know like small and they tell us that they turn like this,

not like this because of that. so it's kind of kind of communication through something that you understand, but it's not verbal language that you can read and understand what people thought or what was the conclusions or conceptions. but it's kind of like you have to find a technique that's that's kind of giving a very special and personal moment of, of touching to past. yeah, because in a sense, to kind of opening a window on those design is for more than 2000 years ago, which is incredible is not exactly that's beautiful to kind of creating this time machine. but also it's interesting that we continue to do something that people do to thousands of years ago. it means we're still keeping some fee. there's love or some connection that, that people feels on was still like having that smooth that. that's something didn't change from that time. and even maybe even more so if talking about it, so she made it as a, as a part of the illusion. and this of illusion kind of bring me all the time,

something new. but we still have something that really can like still strongly connecting us with a pass and it with a balance of past. that's why it's sometimes some, some very strong traditional object, like object here as a, as a metaphor has to re looks to at least 2 from, from other perspective. and then we'll see. and then we'll say as they say, uh, 2 parts of stuff of, of our clients do, do you have a favorite piece of all those that you've created? no, i have maybe in the future. so because it, because it's hard to, it's hard to put something on the front front of the, on the, for myself. that's the, that's and say, no i'm, i'm satisfied with that. i'm happy that would be subject. this is finalized that i will, that it means that i will come to the end and of the end of the way when it and uh and uh, and it is finished. so, but if i'm putting all the time, something in the future, i'm not satisfied with that,

so i'm all the time coming to something that's best possible as profession. so that's why it's kind of giving the giving mean in move all the time to this group to work this perfection. so but i have to be on satisfied because of the what are you working on at the moment? so my one of the major um, work right now, actually uh part of the with a, with a, for example, carpet introduce. i'm also doing other direction to them with another direction to i don't. one of them is, is, is, is um, the interdisciplinary uh, kind of platform. now we have this as where uh, where we, we have a, we have laboratory where we can measure with a different medical instruments with a devices like e, g, electricians, to photography or electric cars over fee and allergies for with these are not raising by the end of the thing, right, exactly, with the heart rate without brain activity. now. so measuring that's, that's experiences. and including that i tracking on a phase and we're technician is such

a photo that will put all this spin if there's no interest together to look to arts . because only who know about artist human beings. and we can always consider what these are the best person think about. so you say it's studying how somebody reacts when they're looking at a piece of aut abstract. all right, well, so we, we didn't get kind of to, uh, it takes the next moment we have uh, 2 options like, uh, not just like the, the respondent has to look to the, to the ups truck. so we're starting to obstruct our groups. and then to the faces, like because the phase one of the electric, advisable like a by our brain, by or when a fits is a long as you can always in moment of our brain. so we are, we're cognizant. go face show like faces to the even if there are 2 dots on one lines. so we were taken as facing the inside of this in, in, in, in the side. just so that's what we've done, of 22 elements trying to study and understand what draws the i to

a point on a piece of art. is that what do you mean? who is this is one of the old, one of the thing that we see where the ice one, but also we see of and brain activity, which is also important that we can see exactly which moment of, of, of where, where is it today responded loops. so how is it out actually what, what, what, what that could do with it was, but of course we don't see it as, um, like in a moment. so that enough to repress single this data and looking to what's the kind of collecting information and a lot, analyzing it after that you've already broken boundaries with your odd what would be your message to the aspiring young office today? who a, you know, wanting to get a head back, perhaps struggling to make a mock within the out. well, i think the most important thing, not just be yourself. that's so that's why you can tell artist what to do to be to, to create art. because every artist enabled as of october because it has to be unique and it's it's, that's why it's unique because artist finding the uniqueness,

the personality and working on it, just making them more and more different then. and then it was that's kind of basic part of, of grading golf. an art is only instrument and it on the whooping of artist. so the, all of the things that i think connection, social media so, so all this thing is important, of course, like we have to also learn to speak with the people that is also important part of it because we have to understand it because we can part is, is a for 4 people. so that's why you, if you don't understand people personal or, or even like as a, as a group of people as a, as commodity. it's hard to understand for, for who you doing. it's and why actually so and when you're feeling it that's kind of giving you connection. that's an idea as come coming themselves so they can afford the people's collective concept process and how they say, yeah, kind of creating a as you asking, of course, as an artist,

as you asking this. so you're getting this idea kind of together inside of inside of yourself as an artist, right? to be curious yourself. exactly. because only that can make you separate from so you see people and you see yourself. so in this you can understand what's what you got from from, from society and what is your unique and what you can add or, or, or, or del, it's something from inside. so in race something and then how to rebuild your connection with society as an an art is a, is a beautiful language, an especial today, as i'm talking about comforting for art where the language is this infiniti of the whites. when you're pointing when not or like would not oh i'm of old charges is is right. so that's interesting. said they definitive for white eastern as a media that artist can use today, but not all of them bringing to the to the point that's can,

can be interesting at least the, to the public. so, you know, it's, uh, i think that's successful from depends on the how good the q rates is often doesn't it, in the exhibition spaces in sales. how, how important is that in helping artists get ahead and indeed how much the lock is involved. i guess what is in general it's, it's, i think it's, it's something very and illusion owing this. i think even if we're talking about our twin skin to fulfills maybe mistakes and some histories to stories. but um, yes, uh it's, it's more about work and it's more about it's working on your side, as i mentioned on ok is on the self. but also in, on the, on working on the what i'm doing. so as it may take material as the idea as a direction. so yes, greater and the institutions and galleries um in general are to market is very

important to keep arts life. so that's kind of, that's a body of, of art. that's kind of giving art on the way to lease. of course. um, but i think if i'm talking with a, if i would say to somebody, some artist i would say not think about that. just think about our because this is only what you know, and it is only what you know better than others. so this way everyone galleries or to work great. there's got to collect a debt collectors and cetera. the waiting, this kind of the art from you, not, not all the things. so i'm not like how to go to and just that whole gallery works or how great that have to write the essays. so as artist, in this case i, as the list be thinking about like college and get a crate or, or, or, or gallery or, or other things. and in this hospital, as more the valuable are they more valuable they are. but at the same time, doctors of course have to consider it so because this is kind of way how you can

move professionally, show your and their professionals, that's can valley your, uh, your work and your ideas and say it's about as well as the talent and the inspiration and the creative it to you and it's, it's about being able to market your off though, isn't it? it is. how did you do that? and then what, what, what was the turning point for you? we used to suddenly recognize that somebody is to find a piece so you know what happened? no, no, it wasn't. suddenly, of course it's no, it's just of time. i, i was cells many times actually it's, uh, when i start x show that i wasn't the dads because of that to work because i tried to create a new or if that means my carpets i experimental didn't it didn't happen. and there was an going, it was gone, wrong is wrong with i don't know way so in the cetera. so i swear to spend a lot of money for that. i didn't know. one was interesting that i think to several years through this beginning some moment i said,

oh i am doing that. maybe i should stop but, but something that you believe that, oh is it just need time? it just need okay, this is not the right. so let's take another step, another step, and then you kind of achieving buys like day by day and step by step. you're shooting to the certain moment when it's got to like an exploration. so you have to kind of come to the certain point and then or it's kind of starting this loretta that itself. and i remember approximately this moment i understood that for example of some some media or writing about me more than it was. i don't know a week ago or like several months ago. so i understood that that, that, that moment kind of stopped him. but it's also important because that's sometimes like the, the, the, the success can also be nice to doctors or some crazy person. and it's kind of, it's can, you know, it's, can also be the directed wrong direction. so yes, i think you, the artist have to just consider it,

but not really think about this or, or even like, feel something about that because that's kind of what we're talking about ego or this kind of stuff that can influence to you and, and change your life major again, the major past which is are actually what is being fascinating hearing about the history and we look forward very much the future. 5, i'm at thank you for talking to out there. thank you for having the a change of change. the 1970s in the middle east. in the 1st but to talk some of the decades hibbits on the back to 73. arab is really nice to

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