2022, a video of ukrainian preston. lot to me is a lensky appeal to tell of soldiers to lay down the homes and surrendered the fight against russia. it too, was revealed to be a deep faked video for the natural, the sauces conflicts. so elections, artificial intelligence is being used to amplify misinformation, leaving douglas with the tests to expose and triple false negatives, circulating on social media. one of the things that we can't get away from that, everybody's emailing, it's something that's the bad guys using take. and if you think about us on the side of telling the truth being the, the good guy, what we have to do is we have to make sure that we stay ahead because this effect, the reason i'm source, is enabling computers to perform complex task. the previously on the humans could carry out and generate to be i allows anyone to create content in boss quantities using cd available and launch the regulated tools that includes tax images,

videos and invitations of the voice is a free of people, x boats, bone as being weaponized display division. i'm hate among community invest production. i work from customer rate. that is was actually attribute it to the is ready ministry of diaspora. fast and empty segments and combat thing at the services. and so uh, back in early 2023. we saw facebook thread, the web being used to spread empty palestinian misinformation, but also the person may not. this is really interesting, empty arabs, an anti muslim this information using a i generate the image of technology companies are also helping you solve the nice ations to use out of should intelligence to flag a deep faith videos and images. the prominence social media companies accuse of taking little or no action to cub, false negatives on the platform. if don't care about this information in its own

right. which is basically saying that the propaganda is find this information is fine, as long as it's our propaganda and all this information. now everybody thinks that there's the russians, the rest is released. but then it just means that it's open season for information to sort of all the tools and media platforms have changed over time. just continue to report intense stories. now, obviously intelligence is adding layers of complexity with the amount of data and content again tend res. news organizations and the self have to work harder to be able to separate bob from fiction, unexposed propaganda. consumption, he called to see the best fit for me fully by boat refrain is next mileage is here . the unique here endangered biodiversity lies in the heart of one of x, windows,

tropical jungles. there was a little missing information about the animals that we have here. i know the probably of that is to come and others of conservation in their communities out. is there a chinese deep into the rain forest to follow a scientist into teams efforts to save the flora and fauna? so precious and the region? women make science equity to is hidden treasure on algebra. what are the main criticisms leveled against your movement? is that it's just symmetric, is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. himself has said the founders of the be the movement. want to see the end of the jewish state. when 1st look who's talking to fisher as leaders are nourishing anti semitism, like never before. they're in bed with the fascists of the world. the i'm so i have the member to and this is reframe where we seek new conversations and

perspectives in the series. we'll be discussing one of the biggest issues of all the time, the face of palestine on this people, and what the war and gaza has revealed about the nature of israel's application. the my guess this week is one of the most prominent palestinian human rights defenders. omar by voting, he's the co founder of b, d. s, the boy called divestment and sanctions campaign. policy. indian movement inspired by the south african antea, pos, side struggle, successive is rarely, governments have tried to deal legitimize. b, b s, subjecting omar to threats and intimidation in 2017. so my receive the gone the peace award for the summer. thank you so much for joining us today. thank you. you've been on the full front of

the fight to defend human rights and palestine for decades. can you tell us what is b b s and what is the philosophy that animates it? so that'd be, this was launched by the opposite with majority of palestinian society in 2005, calling for the basic rights without which palestinians cannot exercise self determination. ending the occupation ending as the regime of racial segregation which meets the one definition of apartheid. and that idea of refugees to return by focusing on those 3 right speeds, addresses the basic tribes stipulated under international law. the most important points of ideas is that it connects the palestinian liberation struggle with ending complicity internationally. which means we cannot and occupation on the part i then then to have our refugees return and receive preparations without ending the complicity of states corporations and institutions. so in a nutshell,

the theory of change of the media as movement is from the grassroots to the grass stops in order to effect the policy change, we need to build people of power, which has many, many forms, intersection of coalitions, media power, and strategic litigation, power the ability to peacefully disrupt the powers that be and so on and so forth. and it's most important to say that it is an anti racist movement. that categorically opposes old forms of phrases. but even if we're talking about a movement that connects palestinians with the rest of the world in this fight to end complicity is people's power enough to take is well off. it's current. paul well is trying to derives most of its power as we're seeing during this ongoing genocide from being armed, funded and shielded from accountability by the united states, the u. k. germany, the a u. and so long. without those links of complicity,

israel cannot maintain its entire system of oppression. so we think yes, we can. if we cut those thinks of complicity, it does kind of help the palestinian people resist more effectively, the system of oppression and eventually dismantle it. we've seen this in south africa, this is not something completely hypothetical that has never been tested. people's across the world have been able to defeat extremely powerful enemies from india, against the british colonialism of jerry against french colonialism and south africa against apartheid. and it took a lot of international solidarity to us interest, the internal resistance, external sort of attitude is also very integral. this resistance you have said in the past that the way in which israel roll is out it, it's own apartheid is far more sophisticated than what happened in south africa in, in what way is it more sophisticated when it's a part or 2 point? oh, if you will, it's the newer version because it sort of has learned

a lot from the south african system of apartheid, which in turn learned a lot from the u. s. system of apartheid against indigenous and against black americans. and so israel knows that, unlike south africa, it's not an inherently very powerful country that the west needs, per se, of course, it serves imperial powers and so on. but in order for israel to continue its system of oppression, it has to appear as if it were democratic liberal. so it cannot afford to have petty apartheid preventing palestinian citizens central their citizens from sharing the same hospital wards. although we're getting much closer to that. but apartheid is not about sharing tables or hospital wards, a parts of the crime defiant and international law as a system of racial domination by one patient group against another. that deprives them of basic tribes based on their identity and institutionalize,

is this racial segregation, and discrimination? and that's true, perfectly fits that's paradigm as to for an international law. if you're jewish, that's right. you me, you're entitled to the entire set of rights. if you're not to choice, if your intention is palestinian christian wisdom or otherwise, you're not entitled to the same set of rights. so is there a, there's not a state of its citizens, it's a state of the jewish people worldwide. it doesn't give it's citizens who are not jewish, the same rights by law, not just by policy. naomi klein, who's a famous canadian officer, an activist, has called medias a people's foreign policy and says it deserves to be seen as such. wanted to ask you how jewish voices are represented in your movement today. in north america, in particular, jewish supports or media has always been disproportionately high during the last few years, it has grown exponentially. and during the genocide,

it does drone even further. so everyone has seen those jewish peaceful disruptions of congress and stature of liberty and the grand central station. extremely inspiring. they understand that there is nothing jewish about israel's occupation, settler colonialism ethnic cleansing apartheid or genocide. and therefore there's nothing empty. jewish and supporting b. s to dismantle those systems, those structures of oppression and those crimes. and we are very proud of this as jewish support for medias. and it helps a lot to counter old. the myths about the movement that are trying to silence palestinian advocacy is it's perhaps not that well known omar that's non violent resistance and pat assigned goes back really a century on the palestinian civil society has been active since the time of the british mandate. can you speak to us briefly about that history of non violence resistance and also where you play speeds within that story?

indeed boycotts in particular, go back at least a century and palestinian history and, and fighting british colonialism and then scientist, set for colonialism. and so blankets have always been used. we did not learn boy cuts from gone to or martin luther king gore from south africa as inspiring because those examples have been going to be the movement for example. but we've learned it namely from our own history and from all in groups cetera. heritage of struggles. the most important point to remember is that there's a diversity of resistance forms in palestine and everywhere else. you don't face colonialism or sets of colonialism or any system of oppression with one form of resistance. simply because people are different. there's diversity among people. if you're a student or an artist or a child, i do sometimes workshops in schools in ramallah or in nablus. and kids asked me, we'd really love this idea of b ds. can we do it?

i said, yes. one parent wants to do what did you do to our children? and yesterday in your i said, what happened? he said, my daughter formed a check point in the house when my wife and i came from the supermarket, she 2nd center 3 items to make sure none of the products were blood comfortable. and i said, i'm so proud of your thoughts. what are some of the, the wins that you're most proud of? recently, it's hard to speak about successes in the midst of ongoing genocide. but we must, we must, because it is where we see the hope in this unspeakable darkness of ongoing carter every single day. a new messic are a new schools and you atrocity, i don't have to enter an easy or malaysia, or pakistan, or south africa or chino, or columbia, or the us or the u. k, a n u c. hope everywhere. a movement is growing power press so its power is growing like never before. we are successfully challenging powers that be been

a region southern front, the absolute largest in the world. recently divested it's $500000000.00 worth of insurance bonds under pressure from the law or just the trade union in norway, which has that media support there. but even bigger than that entails the ship maker can. so the project of investing $25000000000.00, would it be $25000000000.00 near tel aviv, 50 miles from guys up basically they were planning a huge factory on several factors. led to that, including bts pressure on, on shareholders. does it make sense to invest in a war zone where your entire investments may disappear? isn't this reckless, isn't this ideological? and indeed, that was much more effective than our ethical and legal arguments in that case. so there are many other cases look at what's happening with artists with academics, with students in count minutes, trade unions. so all over the place. i think the whole young generation, from korea to the us from sweden to south africa. they have center to palestine as

part of their identity as that generation that wants a different worked. that is not through by extremely hard on both corporations and militaristic companies and financial institutions that that's such your blood. they want a different world. but at the same time as, as you're having this impact, it's also true that b, this has come under increased scrutiny. an attack on one of the main criticisms leveled against your movement is that it's just some medic is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. himself has said the founders of the be the movement. want to see the end of the jewish state. they are classical anti semites in modern garb. how do you respond to that? one 1st little close talking. the fisher as leaders are nourishing anti semitism, like never before. they're in bed with the fascists of the world. can europe in the us, their best friends from crazy christian scientists cell. it's in the us the anti semitic,

but they love israel. this is the new formula we're whitewash. you mentor semitism, 5011, certainly to support this realm. so that's one point. the 2nd point is that, as i said earlier, bts targets israel's regime of oppression. it does not target identity as such. what is jewish about that? i mean, how is that jewish saying it is, is anti semitic, saying that attacking israel, the attacking scientism is anti semitic is an anti semitic statement. because it equates concern on the one hand, then scientism with all the jews as if jews have no diversity as if they're a model this on. finally, if it's ridiculous, all jews, then this live stream to genocide we're saying and casa against 2300000 palestinians is a jewish genocide. how more anti semitic can i get? of course it's not genocide does it, and it's really policy you followed right,

fascist government. and this really has nothing to do with jewishness which of days and what you say to the, the other criticism, which is that boy costs even well. meaning, boy costs will not damage the largest corporate owner of the company, but actually will hurt the more vulnerable person who they intend to help the workers. in this case actually this is false in our long history. obedience, almost 2 decades, we've had massive support from said unions. is it because they're acting against their class interest? no, they understand that they have some very evo ceos and board members. that's one of the profit of everything else. and in many cases, they help us to boycott their company, to force their company to up and, and legal projects industry. and it happened with the earlier the french conglomerate. i personally met with 3 trades union, so i feel, yeah. and billable. and the next day, they plastered all the buses, the only of us as boy, quite a few of the and then 7 years made survey only,

it was forced to abandon israel after losing over $20000000000.00 worth of contracts. so shareholders start doing this fight against this he owes, and the boards asked if they see that price being paid. i mean, this brings me to another important point it's, it's very obvious that it's really government's feel threatened by media. they have campaigns, it across the west to enact laws officially binding b. s. and in the us today, correct me if i'm wrong here, but 293 and t b. s bills have been introduced effective in 38 states. can you tell us about those laws and do they widen the net from b. s to all the movements? in fact, in many us state legislatures and t media such as nation, has been used to suppress the rights of blacks to vote. women's, reproductive rights, and fossil fuels campaigners and so on and so forth. it's an absolute template. we've been saying that for many,

many years don't ignore what they're doing. i guess b d s, because they're, they're violating the 1st amendment of the us constitution. the free speech amendment, if they got away with this who's next most progressive movements in the us, ignored that we thought of them. have you learned anything from mccarthy? isn't they claim they are going after the communists? but they never stop. it's any dissenting voice. then most progressive now saw that the end to be this legislation is only a gateway. it's only a template to be used for other repressions and other suppression of freedom. and is this something that you can point to and in states that, that started would be the s and then just rolled over on the right just to look at texas, texas would be an, i mean, real versus way to us servers 2 years after they passed all of these and to be this legislation across state legislatures and it was no go into this. they built the top that it's okay to suspend the freedom of expression on one thing. then you're

going to spend it on something else. if you have the power, but some places, maybe not states, but certainly at some cities like portland are now turning that tied back. are they not the diverse thing some companies doing business with this or do? do you have a face that this will continue to grow? this is very important in fact, and we hope this catches on in the u. k. on elsewhere. because as i said earlier from the grassroots to the grass stops, there's a whole scales in between. you don't jump from influencing student over time condemning sun artisan countries unions to effect in congress into us. for example, you need to go step by step. so we have to influence cities more, more progressive cities, building very large intersection conditions. because we've managed to convince the entire progressive movement that the us as so minutes arise and it's not just against us, it's against everyone. what's happening with health services, education, jobs and so on. so all of those cities that passed and to military and ministry

investment laws and policies where due to a very large coalitions pushing not just the palestine advocacy movement. so the fossil fuel and the climate just as movement allergy between movement and jewish progressives, and many, many others. i want to turn to you for a moment. you've faced ongoing intimidation by successive israeli governments. they've attempted to revoke your is really residency. you face delays and the renewal of your travel documents and you've been cold personally, a threat to the state of as well. how does this impact you? it's um, i seem very awkward talking about this in the midst of genocide honesty because it, it to pounds. but it's still trying to silence, have a voice that is important and this time isn't it? it is clear that they're not succeeding. no, i mean uh, i mean, i'm louder than ever as so it's, it's not working. yes,

they've tried everything. i mean, the whole point they tried to get to you to, to make you feel that, you know what i'm getting up. it's not worth it. i want to live my life. you know, i always do things for palestine, but you know, i can't do this anymore. that's what they try. but clearly that's not working with me because my response to every phase of intimidation is do more. you will never succeed to, to determine me. i will not stop until the system of oppression is dismantled entirely. um i will goodness to the to the audience now is my name is jonathan rosen head. i'm one of the jews who supports video of movement for duration. can we build on the public outrage, israel's kind of brutal assault in gaza to turbo chose to be the sanctions movement . and if so, how do we build on this outrage says x johnson is the most important

thing is to recognize that it is happening. can we accelerate it? i guess is the question. absolutely. i think the student movement, those, and complements and this boldness and courage and fighting the system to complicit universities and their investments put the b and the d and b d. s. on the map. much more than before. so today from pension funds to even states are, are taking what we were calling for, much more seriously. just and in november of 2024. we've seen more than 52 states endorse admitted to embargo of israel. in 2023. that would have been impossible to even imagine that we wouldn't get dozens of states separating them entertained by go. so it is happening. but because the genocide is so hard, if it and it's live stream, it's very easy to despair that we're not moving fast enough. of course,

we're not moving fast enough, but that's as fast as we can do in order to build a sustainable movement. change is happening, it's happening everywhere, but it will take more time. indeed, the next question is good gentlemen over there, how far do you think the western sites are going to go in dismantling their own sort of extensively liberal democratic systems in the west in order to protect israel and to protect the genocide? why don't we do to stand against that and to so resist the suppression of free speech on palestine repression of peaceful demonstrations and peaceful protests and peaceful destructions will not stop with palestine. i think in the u. k. more and more groups are realizing this, for example, at when the former government tried to pass, the conservatives tried to pass and not to be the legislation that was so draconian . civil mccarthy, i sold repressive the palestine sorted out to campaign managed to form

a very large, very broad coalition for the 1st time ever to address this because everyone from amnesty to every other civil rights groups recognize that unless we stop this, they're coming for us. but the main point is this, what the, what you said, which is those powers that be those western any, those colonial states are really dismantling the live pro democracy as we know it to defend their favorite set. the colony is right, and this is, this is the sort scare every liberal, not just every progressive or leftist, every liberal should really be worried. your civil rights that you take for granted are disappearing before your eyes. you can stop it before it goes away. we've got a question in the front. what are the benefits that you see for building international solidarity?

linking the posted in solidarity movement, for example, with other global solidarity campaigns. global struggles against colonialism and extractive is a more generally contending effects for this. the very recent example and just october 2024. there was a week of action against trump or on the giant and oil company and gas company in the us. because it is very complicit in extracting because really claimed gas of the in the mediterranean. so it's a very important asset for power and israel's genocide and apartheid tracing and so to speak. but it's also destroying and indigenous lines in ecuador. and so we connected, the struggle is very well and on climate just as active as did an incredible job and supporting this campaign. it is very important that every sector organizes in their sector. so academics and students and unions and universities can do

a lot of work in universities. but what are filmmakers underwriters and, and feminist and eligibility active as an assignment, you know, there's so many groups that we work with and everyone can be active in their own sector. so all those powers coming together, if you have a common strategy, as we do the media movement as a one global common strategy with very different tactics that are context sensitive, everybody. for me, i would just want to end with one last question. you've said that be this doesn't follow a linear pos to progress and that we lose some battles, but we, when most so the general direction is going on with a new and us president. does this still hold true? so i think when socialism loses its masks, it might prompt better. progressive action. we've seen in the 1st trump administration those for years, how black lives matter went onto the world stage to become

a movement that has inspired tens and hundreds of millions worldwide. that was during the trump era, and i think facets with masks can be very dangerous because they commit the crime while maintaining this liberal facade at like the labor government in this country . i mean, the austerity and so on. of course, it's better than the conservative, but that doesn't say much, so we have to aim for more. but i think us, when, when 5 right parties lose their mask and go on to say mass of repressing because everyone that prompts everyone who are sitting on their bottom and not doing enough to get up and start moving. and i think that gives us hope that we will see, especially given the ongoing trend aside, we will send you energies from everywhere that has been fence sitting for so long getting off their new truck position and, and doing something for and not just for palestinians for the sake of humanity. thank you. i'm about to you for speaking with us today,

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