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when trump is heading back to the white house for the 2nd time, joined us for an in depth look at trucks, policies, how they'll affect americans and the world. trump 2nd turn on how the the hello i'm old matheson and this is the news are live from jo. how coming up in the next 60 minutes palestinian the same guys up in the hopes on a possible series far deals for the problems. keep following is where the air strikes killed, 51, people across the street. the unit is a new combined kind of time. sam, business stands as a stock system and the did. the quality good humans can
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inflict upon one another. stressing the importance of what happens often receives fire was achieved in gaza at a meeting on the future of a palestinian statehood in norway also ahead mozambique, new president, daniel sean, who was born and promising to defend the national unity of 2 weeks of post election violence with kills 278 to find a new way to tackle obesity. doctors of looking at a different method to treat the 1000000000 people classed as overweight as full awesome. i'll have the test to move 2nd. then the english premier league, they're aiming to keep the title town and to live with the wind over north london arrivals to talk to them. the people in gauze are hoping they may soon be able to pick up the pieces of their
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lives. we've talked of a ceasefire deal in the final stages, but the as rarely abilities brutal campaign hasn't stopped. there will be multiple airstrikes on wednesday, killing at least $38.00 people across the stripe. most buildings and guys have been destroyed or damaged, leading hundreds of thousands of people without shelter. but the space palestinians are hoping to go back to what's left and rebuild their lives once a ceasefire is reached. about the whole god willing that the news of the truth that we hear about is true and we returned to our homes and our place so safely that things result and little unlike returns to the way it was before and better. i hope that our children return to their school and to their old lives, enough suffering and pain. we didn't live a year or 2 of our lives have been wasted for nothing. i lost my car. how about and i wouldn't say how many miles from when i hear news about the deal, and whenever i hear any cheering from someone about the truth, i go out and run,
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hoping that the news is true. once that is officially announced, i will cry out of joy, and that means we will get ready to go back home. there were also strikes overnight, including one on a school in gaza, city housing, hundreds of palestinians. several members of the same family were killed. tiny mach losing dead obama in essential gas, honey, we're talking about a possible cx 5, but there's a lot of speculation at the moment. never the less the attacks are continuing. the absolutely, and as the talks are gaining momentum, then go high and other heaters are, are coming together for the final, this phase, the bombs are still falling. there's still going people destroying remaining buildings. people are trapped under rubble for hours. now since early hours of this morning, those who are who survive these attacks are still under their shoulders veering for
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their life. but this will be particularly just the past half an hour. many people have quotes just the district gaston point that we could just build it from the way they express their optimism. that is very cautious that fees has never been sold. so the distance, i mean, we move might be hours that way, days away from a solid defense of these fire, but it's still very distant at that, at this moment as people are still hearing it from the unpredictable fall in bonds, if well did these and in the past, the 3 day 72 hours, those ongoing bombardment increase uh thirds of the attacks by the drones that have already cause the vote for their civilian casualties, destruction of residential homes, public facility we're talking about entire area of the northern part of district that is that has become uninhabitable, not suitable for people to go back and start and collect their shot or lives in, in the northern part of the strip other areas here, entire city of rough on eastern part of hon. you and his major part of the eastern
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part of the eastern of the central air of the gothic have turned into more of the waste land. at the scene of road l verbals folds roads is the quite dominant. now to see a little sad this, an agony this morning filled up the air in here in the long, soft hospital as the war continues. once again, people still believe there is no deal unless there is a deal known ceasefire. unless there is an actual ceasefire. a tiny thank you very much. it a that somehow remark low talking to us from down all bottom of the or honda. so who's joining us from jordan's capital in a month? that's because israel's bundle just data from opening inside the country. how are the ceasefire negotiations? being reported in israel hand, well, there's certainly a lot of progress being reported, but also mixed messaging on what's happening. these really prime minister's office did release the statement. it's the only one we've gotten today that said that they
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did not receive any sort of response from us now is really media is reading into it as there is a lot of positive momentum, but that they're still not yet at the finish line. but they are saying it could come as early as thursday, but none the less, there are still a lot of opposite goals for benjamin netanyahu, including members of his own government on the far right. like you some more ben, beer and betts, it's smaller. it's. you've been quite outspoken since these talks really started picking up again in the last couple of weeks. the finance minister meeting several times with nathan yahoo! and you've been releasing his own statement early this morning, saying that this is a critical time for israel security and he's still not sure exactly how he's going to vote on this deal. should it come to the cabinet for a vote, but it's worth mentioning that just a couple of days ago, he released the statement with quite different rhetoric, saying that he's not going to accept a deal. but this is not the time for any sort of negotiation. and that israel should carry on with the war, but nonetheless,
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you still have people all over israel protesting both for and against a deal and to thank you very much indeed, those honda sounds good talking to us from jordan's capital. i'm on the associated press and used agency as linked to details of the potential cx, 5 deal, which will report them to be implemented in 3 stages. in stage one i'm us for release of 33 is really captives. that's going to include females, civilians as soldiers, children, i'm civilians of was 50 years old. in return, israel is going to freight 50 palestinian prisoners for each females soldier on thursday for each civilian hostage. and as part of this phase, israel is also going to hold fighting and pull its forces back to the edges of gaza . the space palestinians will return to their homes. an additional aid will flow into the strip. second phase is going to begin $42.00 days into the sea spot, with a declaration of sustainable tom thomas will then release all remaining mail
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captive israel win, negotiate the race of more palestinian prisoners and withdrawal all its troops from johnson. the final stage will focus on long term arrangements, including the return of bodies if is really captives on power, steering and fighters implementing guys as reconstruction plan and reopening border crossings or mocking. griffith is performing un, under secretary general for humanitarian affairs, and emergency belief coordinator is joining us on set here and on. thank you very much indeed. thank you. with the sanction, i'm in the details that we know so far. the list of the associated prefer press, has issued there's one reference to additional aid flowing into the strip. and that's it. and that doesn't address the amount of a that needs to get in. and as far as i understand it, there are tons of 8 still sitting across the border, waiting to get in. i think that's a real worry because if we look at the last 5 years, the see saw that we've had of course, in god's many, many months ago,
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one of the problems with that, one of the reasons why it terminated fairly quickly is i remember, well, it was that they were very ambitious levels of aspiration for you might turn it and we understand that was an incentive of course necessary or but now in this one, as we understand from these, these reported details, they're talking about 600 trucks, a day of which 50 a fuel and i think the u. n. at least my former colleagues all saying you'd be very, very difficult to reach that level. talking about maybe 250 or 300. now there's a big gap. and the worries that we have is number one. people would have been promised something that they didn't get and they desperately need. and so they'll be a dive in morales. and secondly, more important the last time, if there wasn't enough delivered on a certain day, then, captives or hostages wouldn't be delivered. you remember that? so it's a condition for continuing the agreement and we already know that it's going to be
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almost impossible to reach. so it's a major threats to what i think otherwise it many where it's it's a very good agreement. if we ever gets it. and part of the problem also will be, even if the a does good and we've had of course reports over the several weeks of games operating, i think guys as well and, and looting the trucks. and so, and there is going to be a security issue here, isn't there because with a, the level of, of, for want of a better face distancing that might pop in between how much fight is on the ground . and israel, yeah, that less than the amount of control there might be over the of the security. all that's a getting and i think it will be a real problem. and as far as i understand that i may be wrong, i don't think the united nations has been closely involved in these discussions. and we've had bitter experience as you say, of these many months of promises made promises not kept. and the gangster is, is as i think i've said before, a natural consequence of the lack of
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a lack of supply. it's the lack of access to food and drink comes the games a, nobody's policing up the post and the police are being pushed away. and so who is going to actually contain uncontrolled, the violence is endemic. now the roads are still mind in many places and they also have the other aspects. it's fantastic. you can go home. that's great at last you of course, will be monitored for weapons, but you can begin to think about the future. my view is that these issues about humanitarian aid are also linked to the credit of import. just you're giving the people the goals hope has been destroyed, the hope kills people, the lack of it as you know. and i think that there will be a problem of the possibility of israel will go back to, well, never mind it's withdrawals. they've retained the right to do that. as you know, the problem that there are 2 fundamentally different objectives for the agreement.
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obviously for israel it's about hostage release, perfectly understandable and very necessary. and for how most of the palestinian people, it's about palestinian government governance a future state. these are not the same objectives. i know for mediating that if you don't have objectives alive, that's when the young mcgee, which is in the welding of the agreements, go down. you know, false problems. and then finally, i'm not, i'm not aware yet of how negligible breaches will be managed in terms of how to respond electric brake the whole agreement. so, you know, it's easy to be negative. i mean, it's interesting that nothing that has really despite breaches survived hesitate, and it was a very, very welcome random moment when dialogue worked. this is another moment where dialogue could work as you know,
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great science to the 2 parties. israel abbas great sikes to the mediators. because cats, i hear egypt from us, but i've my cell phone and filed in the past, seeking an agreement to happen, seeking the page to be signed without spending too much time worrying about the immediate consequences and the way in which it might go wrong. within the agreement fails, it takes you backwards, it's not 0. so we hope us and we pray you said that hope was fundamental for the palestinian people, particularly those in gaza. nevertheless, from what you're saying that depends very much on the, the strength of whatever agreement on the consistency. yeah. or whatever agreement remains on monitoring that green, that agreement, given the fact that you've been in the position of negotiating, this kind of thing in the past, must be very difficult. how do you monitor or something? but that's to make sure that both sides, neither of them trust each other are actually adhering to the agreement. you know
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that i think it's a huge the important point i was being reminded today about the work that coffee and you know, the form is that you and did. and i worked with him and for him in different ways in which he would always put monitoring upfront an early because he knew what you've just been saying that the, the perils otherwise. and what we've also learned about monitoring. and i've had many of these fires usually failed by the way that i've been involved in. you need the monitoring to include the local people costs or do they have ground troops? it's not just about strong force is coming in and making sure that there's an arbitration process. we need to know what's happening. all the people finally getting the aid, all the safety going back to northern gods are all these things. and what is the assurance that that 2nd phase that you were describing on the will actually come to pos and it's a really tough one that you know, any agreement to this point,
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your reporting, which is so you need to close on on garza and the west bank is saying kind of one of us very clearly, the people desperately want this. so we shouldn't, you know, pull water over it. we should be hoping, as the norwegian pharmacist said today, that they will time and time soon we can celebrate. but then we need to and then the problems start once it's signed. and that will be the 1st test. the 1st breach of these extensive agreements, very complicated agreements on the timing of numbers. when that happens, what do we do? who really speaks out? the role of the media is post, very important to them that i wonder why should take you down the road a little bit. and let's assume that date, the initial stages of the seas far hold on ultimately that leads to some sort of a full cessation of hostilities. yeah, there has to be a political so there's some sort of political structure in gaza in order to be able
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to, to run it is the something that you have in your mind, a structure that you think might serve the people of jobs as opposed to running the risk of becoming essentially a vassal government for either these, randy's or any other interesting. yeah, i guess i, i felt about this a lot i, i had hoped very much and spoke to my boss, the secretary general, the united nations, a lot about whether the u. n. could provide a service of this guy was in cost of that in $99.00 with the you and provided that protectorate service and effect for administering cost of a while it go fits political act together. um, but his concern is that there's no chance of the un being involved like that. i mean the not often a certain places, but the idea then of a hybrid arrangement which basically is loyal to the principal. the palestinian governance is able to reinstate it with international support,
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maybe troops to security, but still under the aegis of the palestinian entitlement. allison and right and the freedom of people's that could be a way cuz i don't think it can happen straight away. i know how most instructor have been talking because, you know, that's important for the palestinian authority, which i 70 want to see in charge has been depleted and onto mind and isn't very strong. so i think you need to have a transition. but seeing this is sarah with a transition which has clear emissions for the 2 states, i'm sorry, still the solution, whatever people say and resolves the continuing contradiction between israel is aspirations for these bands and sets the world's aspirations response and the region in terrible chaos. and suffering as well as hope. now in syria,
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we'll be watching like a whole front. there are arabs to be sidelined again and so it will have an impact . as i said, what happens in garza does not stay a gun, so it will be noticed you will be with watching it. i thank god for that. so yes, a hybrid arrangement. we haven't seen any clear with agend if occasion of what has proposed. i think we've heard a lot about behind the scenes discussions, the average us as well, but not in a comfortable process of discussion that i think is much, much more fundamental. indeed. now, because of this potential see spot, even then it was before it's the harbinger of hope. it wasn't griffith. thank you very much indeed for being with us. all right, i'll do that. thank you so much. thank you. but john perry is the farmer regional editor of associates of pricing at least, and also i'll ask questions. laser subsidize use that. so he's joining this from tel aviv. thank you very much indeed for being with us. how are is really, is reacting to the possibility that there will be
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a cease fire. i think it will generally be widespread. joanna is wrong at the end of the war which has been very costly and the return of the hostages are there is some concern. the far right only coalition may still be able to struggle with, i think mathematically, they can, it's a threat to bring down the government as a consequence of the deal. so there's lots certainty, but certainly anticipation, and in many quarters of israel, i would even say jubilation. that's on the towel with face tremendous criticism or greetings that we deal that basically leads from awesome power and got some degree and the plate or the navy that appears to be what is happening. i couldn't swear to it because i've seen the official deal. not criticism will come both from, from the far right, but also from the last, which would have far preferred. now to engage with a global initiatives and the proposals that would have seen in one version or
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another, or return the pal sending, i'm sorry, 2000 and place almost. i want to ask you about the role of the far right and this and the internal politics within uh, these really coalition, particularly, it came as a little bit of a surprise to many, many people as you were suggesting that this deal was being considered by the matching yahoo coalition given the strength of feeling, but there has been on the far right and the threats that we've heard from that they would pull out of the coalition and come up to the government. what does that say to you, or perhaps about the way the benjamin netanyahu and his allies in the coalition, or maybe viewing the role now of the far right? well, that's analysis of the trade offs on one of the far right to bring down governments on. although it may be blash as well because of the bring it down or is it will be elections that the right as a whole probably lose. so there is the threat i have for him to not stand up to the far right and to refuse
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a deal. the polls show well over 70 percent of these early people actually want, despite the complication with my mouse remaining, which they don't want that harms the rights long term prospect in an election that has to happen in less than 2 years. so now is the politician. he, he finds ways, the squared circle, but these are the pressures that he is facing. and you know, these far right parties the are, there is 2 of them and one of them wouldn't probably get back into the class if there was an interest that i saw their position is lots, especially given the fact that there was tremendous pressure from the members of the far right and the coalition, particularly with regards to the potential for settlement in, say, northern garza, do you think that's an you're quite right. we don't yet know the exact details of, of what's being suggested in this deal. but do you think that there is, that is something that's and that's a yahoo may consider going forward with even if the members of the far right do
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pull out of his coalition? well, it's all numbers of hardware and coalition. it's quite possible there that will trade will trigger elections. the only way wouldn't is this the moderates authorization joins the coalition which doesn't seem like a higher power bill. ready the scenario really the issue, the far right desire to re establish jew settlements and draws out is just like i'm off workers or i don't think depending on who ever consider that seriously i, i think every time a right waiting members call ition or indeed also good party made statements in that regard. you mean it just hurts the right way. overall, politically. the notion that israel as visions, territorial emissions on god is basically false. israel wants to never see or hear about dogs. that again the, there are complications, of course, security fine, but some, it doesn't say it's not equivalent to, to the west bank, which is more strategic without which israel is very vulnerable, territorially,
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and which has all these historical and biblical aspects to it that make it so that some people in this room and on and couple nodding significant numbers or at least actually do have designs on one's back with. the guys are very, very, very much different done very we appreciate your being with us and i'll just say that. so thank you very much indeed for your time or mine on the shonda is obviously the senior political on. obviously, joining us not from the moment i understand you were listening to john when he was talking there. he seems fairly fins and fairly determined that this deal is likely to go ahead in some form and that there may not be any settlement in northern gauze or what's your take and what, what's hearing so far the rob, we are very close to deals. it could be announced within 24 hours. it could be signed within 24 to 48 hours. and it could go into effect on sunday. uh, give
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a give or take a day if it doesn't, it doesn't. right? but, but more or less, that's what we're heading. yeah. all the sign show that no, i tell you what, what's the problem with the speculation? for the past 8 months, at least since the you and the customization pass back in may 2024. is there a has led by a structed you optimism? oh, you know, every day or other there, there would be a talk about, oh, there is going to be a the a not or is there going to be? these are supposed like so much opposite, especially also on the part of the united states that they kept us waiting, buying time for 8 months because tens of thousands of people in gaza were slaughtered. and yet they were to wanna lots of domestic. now that we are close to i did design is are leading by i start to dream of skepticism. oh, it's not going to work. how much is my time starting? there's a lot to work out. if we might not go from phase one to phase 2, it's going to be difficult. the best thing is,
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i'm not serious. they cannot be trusted. i'm asking a government guys control and so forth. so there's going to be a lot of speculations. and if you notice, most of the speculations that most of the lakes are coming from is very few from the united states, almost not in from health squared around the world. so one has to understand the complexity of these really politics, power politics. it's a crazy places, right. and then the politics is complicated and there is a freedom of expression. notably the jewish is riley's and there are a lot of leaks and there's a lot of jealousies and there's a lot of competition. and it's a throat kind of environment and nothing to our lives, environments and structures. ministers live in that environment. so we're going to hear a lot from them in the days to come like with days and months and years before. i think we need to be sober about it. i think we need to focus on the humanitarian issue that is facing us in guys. all we need to focus about the human price has been paid by gaza. we need to look at the future in
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a way clean from the craziness of these reading the politics. if a deal is assigned of some sort, it is a day of course that, that many people in guys have everybody i guess i would imagine has been living for over the last 15 months or so. nevertheless, we have to remember and you were pointing this out as this is not, this is just the start of the process because we're to hear about a guys have most of which has been destroyed beyond all recognition i'm this is only the start of guys, a dozen people having to rebuild their lives. i think it's difficult to imagine how you can do that plan for the start. as i say, most of its been pretty much wiped off or not. but secondly, of course, israel will continue to control the land and see borders. this is what is going to continue to control the process as it moves forward. then you're not going to attempt to walk away when it deems it necessary to walk away from it. and to control it in a way where to buy it,
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to make sure that how much would not be getting any influence within the country. and guys that would not build up any time soon. and the people on bus drives that would not be able to starting on their feet. and hence, as the winter now it's gone. so on us and guys, uh, sometimes when, you know, seems bad to say, but that are the lucky ones. because those who are living and guys of today are going through such suffering from everything, statisticians and hunger comes on to children dying to destroy the houses, to, to diseases, to, you know, basically just old weather, right? and so, and so forth on, in the shadow of his really bombings ever, the dozens of the seniors are killed, bombings, continue by his right, and so, so forth. so this is going to be an easy deal to sign, but it's going to be very difficult to implement because a lot of things are going to happen at the same time thing. no, doing nothing. the humanitarian has lifting the magic to the the,
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the medical aid and allowing people who don't get 40 to be distributed. allowing many people to go back to their destroyed homes in the northern part of gaza allowing for captors to be released by allowing for prisoners to be released and so on and so forth. is going to be a lot to deal with. but in the meanwhile, we need to again remind ourselves that almost too many people there are suffering like there is no tomorrow and, and they've been suffering the past 16 months. and is there is intense to make them suffer even more to gotten this, whether it's strategic or not for it is right as your guess i've been saying currently yet because yes, they do intend to sign onto the ceasefire in order to be rewarded by more of an extensions and more occupation and more are parted on the west bank. maybe that is the deed with trump and nothing you know, went by. he walks away from guys. i know that they get more than the west bank. it is really harder to times we live in where by someone is awarded for war crimes in
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genocide by rewarded by an exciting and then stealing and dropping more land on the paycheck stuck. it's strategic and i want to get your assessment of what could be happening further down the line in the event that an agreement is signed. any political process of some sort is put into place in jobs and we were talking to boston griffiths, the former un under secretary jennifer. she might have to in affairs just a moment ago. he was suggesting that in his experience, he things, hybrid form of government, of some sort would probably be the best way forward. what's your thoughts on the, the way the guys should be governed in the event that it seems fine is fine. of course, my friend is a respected diplomat. then he's done his job, but i'd rather sit berkeley for so many years, but he remains a diploma. he talks like into pretty much within the conflicts of diploma send us to be understood. so he is looking at this fearless degree. what do we go from now? you know, what are they told you that, you know, to think about the policy,
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you know, sort of thing going, but it's not great interstate for how much it took over stuff you're interested for both of them to drink over together. it's not real estate. you don't seem to be agreeing on how to move forward with now. there is of course, talk about the 3rd party. even the 4th part. they got to use them. all right, these egyptians, whoever deployed, helping out. and there is, of course, stucco solve. uh, no cold transitional government from within an on that a rob total that is going to be transition of all of it is going to be forgotten a year or 2 down the road. what is important is not just what's gonna happen with the cx 5 because we're going to go into another war on another war. another war, as we did the fast with the is we're going to get comfortable for wars and to genocide. what's important is and occupation of guys a of the west bank of.
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