so if they ask us about guaranteeing disagreement, they can see it's true because they can start by turning over the top as well in terms of supplies, cash, etc. and they can stop by providing them with intelligence. and they can stop the british from also providing, telling us on the, on behalf of those various us on. so there's a lot in their hands and they can do a great deal of this serious about it. and i agree with lots of my wine was saying that we have to approach it with great deal of suspicion. but i'd be extremely surprised if trump has approached this lights have to be i think he has taken a decision. he's given the ultimatum to both sides. some weeks ago, today's writings he did not say how to end the war, but he said, and the war to the person you say, release the, the prisoners. so with him coming in fresh, they all know he's going to be out on for at least another 4 years. he's like, he will not be elected for a 2nd term. so he will not take hostages really, and he will be free in his decisions on, on, on the issue. and of course,

he will be a power to, to worry about. and i suspect i suspect was like, no action is i will take him very, very seriously. because he has a very heavy domestic engine that within the united states has got a lot of international issues, is determined to go off of china globally. so his biology is a very different from biden, and i don't logistically, although he's very supportive of israel is not to his dna is not diagnosed as by a by the is was. so i think he is serious about it that way. and he's also very things can, i mean there for that, and yet if nothing now tries to play a game with him, his reaction is most likely very different from any other present. so i think this, this is a, this situation is slightly different to that. the difficulty is this, the phase one, the phase 2 i think would go according to find relatively speaking, assuming that i, c r c is happy to deploy people on the ground to release the prisoners at the is a,

these will continue to or to respect the 2 phases, as long as they're still kept, as in the hands of high miles. and very, very importantly, that they start from gathering intelligence on the ground and from the air, which i suspect of i slept late, but it would have been part of the overall agreement. the reward is in phase number 3 because it does not come with any political horizon. that's not one was referring to the end of the occupation. something for the 1st thing is to look forward. and as these raiders would have expected, as we know from our knowledge of, for the busting of resistance, i suspect over the last 15 months, how much have recruited maybe the number of the people they've lost, if not more. and the circumstances that these ratings have placed, the palestinians under cannot but generate the greater degree of resistance. so these raised americans, everyone has got to keep this in mind. and the countries that put them so forward to guarantee if they're not able to really guarantee they shouldn't,

because that would backfire big way. the scale of this crisis has been enormous. the human human loss is huge. and the expectations are extremely high of the moment . and only go back, i want to bring you into this point. let's talk about this elements of, of security that sometimes has been talking about his assessment is that phases one and 2 will probably go ok. but once all the captives have been returns to israel, that is the point at which things could start to break down. what's your assessment? do you think that israel is prepared according at least to the details that we've seen to ultimately walk away from guys in security terms? or do you think it is going to maintain a constant presence there even if the captives are returned home that i think is so, or is early public is certainly prepared to walk away from guys that i think it's a much more difficult politically. which is why i think is

a will ultimately follow through on the phase as disagreement. phase 3 is not so much it, it has not been flushed out. so i, it's more difficult to say what will happen, but i think has ever fall through. but it's leadership to make it as the labored and just cumbersome as possible. and that sense, i also agree with what my one said. it is in the is early interest to make this complicated a lab or a, the, the, the order and arrangement of things that you just read is already, you know, a little mind boggling in terms of the complexity and the number of days and so on . and so forth. it's definitely as early negotiations that their worst um, but i want to say something about israel and about is early politics. is early politics are i think they're going to change over the next year. i don't think is always going to acknowledge its responsibility and accept the consequences of the genocide has perpetrated in nevada district for the past 15 months. but i do think,

and i don't know if many is early spokesperson center took you like this yet. but i think this is happening as we speak, i do think is, or at least has the steroid notion that's more well written them of the palestinian problem. when i say random of the 1000 and problem, i don't mean show all the policy. i think most as early as don't really care if those things live or die. most is early jews want to see as few palestinians as possible june because their daily lives they want to formation. they want to remove the clear hierarchy that recognizes jew supremacy. and as well, i think it's for 15 months genocide was supported again, not because of the blood less certainly that there are many as early as that as a rule. not because it's a lot less that because it's a fine if it's nice, finally present and i use these words with trepidation. a final solution. now, in the sense of liquidating all the house and use it in the sense of establishing

clearly and permanently relationship between jews and 1000 units within this physical space i think is early are starting to realize slow can because is early. so for the past 16 years with themselves up into the friends and these are, these are beginning to realize that this notion is not going to actually take place . and this will not come to pass. a palestinian issue has not been eliminated. it has not been removed. if anything else the indians have been raised themselves on the recognize of the world. they can no longer be and see that is very difficult for a country that was built on the dream slash fantasy. as the original inhabitants consent to be removed or at the very least subjugated. so i think is early politics is going to change. again, not because these are, these are going to take responsibility for the genocide because is riley has been this abuse of the notion that the palestinians can be removed by quote and quote,

war there are going, we're going to need different means different conceptions for how to go about, i'm not even going to say resolving this issue when say, living with this understanding and that sense to mistrust it. my one's focus, i think is there and let's just decide. there's absolutely no reason for the past and you suggest as well as an israeli. however, i think i can say we are exhausted. we are war now. there's no doubt they said isn't there? so does this is pharmacy there everything or when says all of his anger is completely just as the vision is exhausting. reason it's and you know, except that this deal is because he knew that gp, the war or forever war on was stuck into, within your divorce. there's no longer any energy there is, all isn't floating internally, prices are rising every day. there's an unbelievable drain drain public institutions or crumbling infrastructure is the last thing is or isn't probably the

worst condition has been ever since it was founded. and so you know, new with this out and expiration date and the expiration date, because now i'm saying this not to suggest that is real reserves and the city for its actions. it really does not. it deserves everything that's coming to it anymore . but in terms of looking to the future, i would stare voice very, very cautious optimism. not because it is interested in doing the right thing. because israel is without options. it is me, is worn out. it does not know what to do, is looking for some growing up in the re directed in the right direction. and simply because of that, there is real, so aberration between say something bite and or other people are involved as of and just said, if the guarantor as of the steel actually do what they're supposed to do, i think the ceiling might go through and i might be followed through simply because

israel has no idea what to do now, except to do it. so probably for another. thank you very much. if you, that's what we go back and it's very political commentary assaulting bought a car. thank you very much. thank you. on hundreds, joining us not from washington dc that already called back that was just talking about the influence of the ad. that's uh, both joe biden and president elect donald trump or having on this process, particularly both of them demanding that a deal on 6 funding guys should be done prior to the hand over on january the 20th that appears not to have happened. what are you hearing from washington? and that's right. well, what we've heard so far has been very little donald trump, rick just tweeted a little while ago we have a deal for the hostages in the middle east. they will be released shortly. thank you. of course, it doesn't normally happen that the incoming administration, which hasn't been an underrated light and yet makes these announcements. so here in washington, people are on pins and needles. we have

a state department briefing happening and a little over half an hour. and then, of course, is a prime time farewell addressed by president joe biden in just a matter of, of hours. but it does sound like what's happened here is that there is an agreement very much along the lines of what uh, what was outlined months ago and what binding has been pressing. that is a 3 phase agreement, hon. a 126 days a piece. $42.00 days for each phase. uh that would involve, uh, uh, you know, a cessation of military activities or release of the captives on both sides. and then ultimately a rebuilding of, of gaza and exchange of, of bodies. and if that is indeed a the same agreement that we've been looking at here for months, the big question arises. why has it taken this long? why have 10000 more people had to die? and god, because of this. and the answer seems to be the us election. the election of donald

trump. dave is real, a certainty that it would have a steadfast ally in the white house. not the joe biden wasn't, but trump is, is actually even more aggressive in his support of israel, and it gives him us some clarity about what it faces in the us, in terms of someone pressuring for this. so you've got the us guitar in egypt all pushing for this agreement. we know that the secretary of state anthony blinking said, uh on tuesday, we are on the brink of an agreement. he said, we are waiting for a final word from us. well, that appears to have happened, so we are all just waiting guessing what that announcement is and the details that we hope to be hearing, at least here on the us side, front from the state department briefing and later on from president joe biden himself that i saw on hand on talking to aside from new york there, let's go to rami for the he's a distinguished public policy follow at the american university of david. he's joining us from boston and welcome to the program. thanks very much indeed for being with us. i want to just very quickly get you reaction to what we've been

hearing over the last hour or so. some of the details that were beginning to hear about this cease fire deal that appears to have been agreed between israel on homeless. well, the details have been out there for about 78 months, and the as rarely as finally realize that they have to go along with this. they're not going to get a better deal. and that american pressure seems to have pushed them over the edge. they tried all kinds of techniques and tricks to get the arab countries to pressure . the power steering is to get the palestinians to leave to the kettles, tens of thousands. they tried every trick and their criminal book and vicious bloody book, and they didn't succeed with any of them. so the american pressure finally pushed them over the edge to accept this. whether this is actually going to mean a permanent stop of fighting. and the israel is get out of all gas is really the

critical thing. if that happens, then what do we have here is a significant but super costly victory for how much of the resistance forces in the region. but at a terrible cost of the desk of the missing and the destruction of gas. and but if this cost proves to be what has to be paid to get a process of moving, but ultimately defines the force that has a crater in the middle east. i'm continues to ravage it to finally to find a geographically political that's the force of political science. and we may be saying the 1st steps in which the people of israel and maybe jewish people overseas, but mainly the people are real defined. what zionism is, what are its borders, and what are rich relations with the indigenous people and the regions, especially the promise to manage on the display. so these are all big sticker items, but they start with

a permanency as far as really withdrawal. and then the reconstruction, you guys and i mentioned earlier on the day that this agreement, according to the details that we're getting from reuters is going to be guaranteed by kata egypt. and of course, the united states. now we have an incoming president elect to has a fairly good relationship with benjamin netanyahu. there's a lot of speculation, isn't there about to what degree and he would be prepared to essentially pull the rains if you like. on israel turned off the supplies in the event, the israel failed to keep its side of the bog. and what's your assessment of where you think the trump administration is going to be and all of that? i will find out in the coming months. my suspicion is living here in the us and watching from bumper it. having watched this conflict for all my life, my suspicion is the drum. they turn out to be the person who finally forces these rarely is to define their borders and stop relying on american military aid to

saves them every time they get into trouble. i'm to wind down these forever flores in the region, which i have not escalated to syria and the rock and run and jump on. and the reason for that is the trump has been a very fateful friend to his real. but it's not a friendship that is defined by the a logical commitment for real knowledge. it's a fits of friendship that is defined by american, electoral and business interest. trump is doing this because he thinks it'll help him in various ways, domestically, politically, economically, real estate ventures, whatever he may turn out to be the person she will force as well. to finally make a permanent reasonable piece with the palestinians, syrians, lebanese, and everybody else. because he has his criteria for decision making, or materialistic and visible and, and very achievable. i'm,

this is something we have to, to wait and see his mother. he is not somebody like barton who has this idea of logical extreme is a commitment to israel as well as the political electrical financial one. so i would not rule out from making a dramatic move in the months ahead, but they would have to include iran, israel and the palestinians, published a new stage process. and the critical point is the findings are ins on what designs, where the board is of israel. what are the rights of mom, jewish people? how does israel protect? is security is probably with the american guarantees, but that these guarantees can go on forever. and that will be as early as we know, they won't, they mark us to talk you on monday. right? cuz that's the last thing the americans want to do. so we have to wait and see aren't part of our mother's pessimistic about trumps. the ability to change those

policies to forced as real, to do reasonable things. whereas whole other american presidents have always gone along with israel's vicious criminal amount of genocidal activities that include the distinguished public policy. finally at the american university of bailey. thank you very much indeed. for being with us, let's go back to honey mode in general about in central garza honey. you've been talking to us about the way that people there have been reacting to the news that appears to be a ceasefire in place. or will be put in place in the next few days between homeless and israel. just give us an idea of what the atmosphere has been like a rob, people can't wait here to know more about the details. they've just reacted this. frontier has to be right away through the news of the agreement between hallmark and israel. and what we're seeing now is more of a large other crowd here at the hospital. as people learn more about the

announcement of the agreement, start pouring into the hospital and as you can see it from the camera here. this is a larger crowd than what we expected in the past. a few minutes. and they were actually more than this, but took the streets right now. they're moving into riley's. but there is much of the feelings here that we're seeing. where's the press for the past 15 months as the intense bombing campaign and completely live people in the unknown module, then search entity, what's going on? did not leave people do. it's the president of their field, like not even allowing them to recreate button more to properly for all the loved ones that they're relative that they have to be have lost. but as of now, we're seeing much of this suppressed feeling coming through the service. now much of it in a form of happen is we're seeing people in tears. we're seeing mothers here who live in den side. they are the hospital and what they're doing. they're hugging and kissing their children, banking god, that'd be have survived this genocide did not lose any of their children. we

literally being a woman frustrating on the ground just in a form of a prayer, because here and 3 kids the state of the live did not lose any of them. but also remembered many of the people who are already lost, many of their family members, some of them, they are the only sole survivor. the families are here in tears as well. inside the hospitals. many of the injures who do not have remaining family members to share with them this happy moment. they are, they will need more time to heal and recover from the trauma that they experience as, as of now, the dominating feeling even without going into deep echoes of the, of the sea is fire agreement. not knowing when it's going to be what is going to take effect. people just burst into the streets and not in the way that you just so here at the hospital. similar scenario is repeating itself outside in the streets

and 10 sides across defense from the area. we're here shot guns there also felt a breathing the agreement as well as fire words being played here. uh, but people are sell. this is something that is quite funny because people are sell off dramatize the here, the fire wars and the guns job and the dock down. right. or because it through my as a reminder of the past 15 months and the non stop relentless bombardment. just as you're talking to is there a 100? i think we can see pictures from fine units that are coming to is live. they are pretty dogs. but it seems to be a crowd of people making their way through the streets, at least one carrying like maybe a car life actually that they're counting. but you might just be able to see the parts of the crowd there, people celebrating as you're describing in other parts of the jobs as well. it is worth remembering of course. so this is in the i need a ceasefire agreement for the initial stage of this process. it is not an absolute

end to the violence that we have seen over the last 50 months in israel. this is simply an agreement for the 1st stage. nevertheless, on a one would imagine that people are anxious to try to start rebuilding their lives as anybody being talking to you about what their plans are in the event, know that this the spot or at least facing nations page seems to be in place. well as of this moment, the concentration is pretty much focused on the moment, just live in the moment of being happy. i've been excited about this positive those the pop face people were talking about this. but you know, just dentist 5 has left the entire dogs, a 7 ruins, major parts of, of the golf group turn into more of a wave, bound wise on an habitable, rebuilding and reconstruct vince reconstructing jobs or whether it's just the physical outlook of the strips. it's going to take years to go back to what it used

to be a free full body 7 because it really monetary and it ours and all power. just laughing, major parts of the entire said leave anything completely ruined. there's also the human cost of the trauma that people i'd be looking at. we talked to people who are depressed that after losing so many family members, being the, the sole survivor of a whole family member. life for them means nothing. it's becoming increasingly meaningless because we don't match up deliveries are, are, are a top to, to do their homes at the top of their neighborhood. that's not to the people that they grew up the spend time with particularly when dc what are the relative and the loved ones in spending much of a may or major part of their life growing up with them and all of a sudden they were lost in a single attack then, sadly enough, there's just so many of this, of these cases across the gaza strip. the numbers are worth it. the number of

people being killed, the number of people have been injured or agitated or are going to experience long term disability. the number of homes that have been destroyed, and we know that the construction or the destruction of memories is as bad as losing someone's life. the, the, the, the, the, the destruction of memory, the destruction of the outlook, of the city. making it very difficult for people to start over again, but they're hoping a waiting a need for another. thank you very much. indeed, honey. mostly talking to this, i have some general dollar, i would just want to bring you some of the live pictures we're getting from, from eunice. and you can see some of the celebrations that are going on there. so rounded predominantly in darkness because let's not forget many parts of guys. i have no electricity is one of the getting power to gaza has been one of the fundamental problems over the last 15 months of the is really bombardment and never nice. you can see people carrying torches and lights as they are celebrating their

let's just see if we can hear some of the signs up in the and you can hear there's some of the tears and some of the shouting and yelling this. and you can see some of the celebrations that are going on there in tanya. and that's the guys to say, this is just one section of jobs. are there are celebration in other parts of the district as well? that's not forget, of course, that's a, this is only an agreement that has been the 1st stage of that could lead to a permanent cease fire or facilities. and you guys are, let's this in the,

to as we say, we're just watching some of the pictures. there's some fun units, again, you can see the lights in the darkness. there are a significant problem in the guys. very, very rarely those do parts of does are get any sort of power, which is why so many of the streets and houses conductors. i want to bring in, or just the magic editor james base. he's in new york for us at james ohio as we were just talking to honey there. a part, this is a cause for celebration for people in, gosh, i never the less we have to remember. this is just an agreement on the 1st part of this that could lead to anonymous ceasefire agreements in guys. but just before we go to james as listing again, the,

the, the just bring you some more pictures from the units here, some of the celebrations that we're seeing in the streets. and in the office of

fund units. because power is an issue there, but you can see people carrying torches, possibly they are carrying lights from their uh, cellphones as well. but you get a sense of the, uh, the, the celebration and the joy that the news that a 6 far agreement has been reached between israel and from us. this is of course, just an agreement on the 1st stage of a long term process that could eventually lead to complete the cessation of hostilities in gaza. but that process will take a long time. we're just talking about the initial stage, which has been agreed, which will say, and exchange with prisoners of palestinian prisoners for captives being held in garza. the reason that it takes is, of course, from there, obama will be until he threw him off mood uh, corresponding to just

a few moments ago. he was describing to us the sense of anticipation in the run up to, to the possibility that the cease fire agreement was going to be a nice but then subsequently they, the elation when the news that in agreement had been reached, swept through the crowds. he was talking to us about people who was in gathering for hours as rumors that are possible as far deal was on the cards. and then when the agreement was finally announced per site, there is an agreement, on least for the 1st stage of the ceasefire process. the crowd started to come out and force and as i say, these are pictures from there. all that in guys we've been looking at pictures out and on from on units as well, from that imagine similar sort of emotions across the other parts of the gaza strip as well as the news continues to pack it in more detail. start to emerge about the spar deal that has been as being reached the

office and this is the news life from joe ha, i'd 1800 gmc coming up in the next 16 minutes of to 15 months of visuals wall and gaza size far between the hom us and israel has been reached the

not pulling of joy and gosh, i hope you.