[000:00:00;00] the, the hello and welcome to the program on the wrong con relations between russia and iran have strengthened since the start of the war and ukraine to her on has supplied the russian mother, treat with drains and short range missiles. now the 2 countries also minting that aligns with a 20 year strategic partnership agreement. the deal is due to be signed later this week. when the ronnie and present visits most guides. it's expected to in house corporation in defense, trade and technology. so all the deepening relations driven by recent setbacks in the space of influence in countries like syria and how will this help them confront the us led weld order which has imposed severe sanctions on the we'll get to august in a moment,

but 1st this report from mark level the that's the sound of uranian made drugs fired by russia being used widely. and it's for in the chris to run supply of shy head drones and even short range ballistic missiles to moscow has come to represent their expanding level of cooperation in recent years. and a new trained to us strategic partnership treaty is on the rise of the books. but this tracy like, by the way of treaty with north korea, is not directed against any country. russian president vladimir putin. any runs president my suited position are expected to sign the agreement on friday. tech runs top diplomats of bus. so rashi was quick to tell russian state media that the comprehensive strategic partnership treaty doesn't say it's a goal of establishing

a military alliance. the common set a recent meeting between pollutants and positioning and took many stun him to edit desire to solidify relations are relations and the cultural economic and social sphere is stronger and improving daily to this end and considering the will being shown by the supreme leader. we should see them becoming stronger the exact nature of the treaty, at least for now is unclear. but media statements referred to the agreement covering all areas of cooperation in sick this, including defense, energy finance, transport and more. on the agreement with north korea leverage mentioned was signed last year. it was essentially a new defense packed. and one that seen at least 10000 north korean troops deployed to russia. this new russia iran treaty brings together 2 of the world's most

heavily sanctions nation. when it comes on the eve of donald trump's return to the white house next week, when i make promises, i keep them and follows new sanctions on russia's oil affected by the outgoing bite in administration. that surprised. so this is destiny. a shift in policy, in the last days of the volume, the ministration we see on the market is got very use to the buyer and white house was prioritizing avoiding destruction to oil supplies of, uh, the other political goals. putting pressure on russia, putting pressure on the wrong as global tensions rise, russia, iran, north korea, and china will likely continue to confront what they see as west. and it tends to isolate and challenge them. mike, level l, g 0 for the inside story. the that's bringing out guess into her on hassan. i'm in the,

in professor of the university of toronto and must go, yeah, just left myself, a former russian diplomat and chapman of the russian friendship with society, with our countries and munich, maureen, up there on a post doctoral research at the tense studies department at kings college london award. welcome to you. oh, i'd like to start entire on 1st. this is a wide ranging agreement test. one is also potentially a very long last and one wide disagreement and why now? well, i think the wait a minute is basically to solidify the enhanced think relationship between the iran pressure and broaden the spectrum. the 2 countries are working on. of course you can always in trade is front and center. so other aspects are included. both countries are under sanctions and i think this is to basically immediate some of the pressure they are and,

and to has that time based on their economic situation. and also of course, the defense capabilities that search for the agreement to see use addresses wide range of issues in the 2 countries. and i think it comes in a time where at the west. the collector west generally is on the 2 countries as the author, the enemy, if you like, and we have it from coming back to the white house though i think the discussion is on this agreement is charges years ago, but the timing i think has it has to do with the fact that a, a, a very hard line president in the states has taken off the who's this is basically, he's going to be in office, come january, 20 a and then the cheese are going to also a basically enhanced their cooperation with you guys to the politics, so that's moving forward. right?

yes, yourself and most go bear or scanned details of what this deal, the strategic part a ship will actually mean. but it's not as simple as saying that this is a military alliance. this is very wide ranging. what does this mean for russia going forward? well, i think that it is not as far away from any minute southern corporation because a lot of are all said they weren't able to go to word here. said that it is not that gays and you said, but you it as a bilateral agreement by the a conclusion to, to corporate in, on the economic go and basically on the economic or uh, is stage. i think that it is the not military agreement. it does not mean that military the, the goals are reduce it, but it is absolutely clear that russia and iran had the military corporation

in syria. and i remind that iran game to come to syria before auction basis, where orange the in my name and sort of thoughts. so we are ready to go in good kind of donation during the last 10 years, militarily. but we don't have any intention to innovate, lee the see to do in red lab on, on automatic. and you're seeing that uh the, the, i guess the at the, to do a local governments in c, as in lebanon, in many other countries. let me bring in marina here, marina, almost this is a negligible when you heavily sanction countries, they all going to get together and try and beat those sanctions. this was almost to be expected, wasn't it? well, as has already been said,

was this new agreement to be signed on the 17th of january is actually we're going to replace an agreement that has been signed by russia and the room in 2001. however, this new agreement is supposed at least more expensive and it doesn't have, as has been said, to be limited to a specific sphere of cooperation. if we look at russia, russia is exercising grand strategy, which means that it's uses all instrument of steve craft, military, economic, diplomatic, and otherwise. and this new cooperation is to reflect the realities, the geopolitical realities. and i'm not just referring to the fact that the gold trump and his administration might be going after he rides nuclear program. but also the fact that both countries, um, as has already been stated,

i have always sanctioned meaning that russia had to look for new markets and forwards, commodities. that being said, i think will look as a geographic position or if you run it around, is a very important route to in the i, as we have to solve said. and we have another development in the, in the region, meaning the cooperation of neighboring countries with western countries such as the strategic cooperation, signed by armenia and the united states. so it offers a geopolitical counter balance we have on the one hand we have remained in the united states, we have a 0 by john and turkey. so the russian uranium cooperation is another piece of the puzzle in order to create a balance of power to have some, one of the things that is going to be concerning to the americans. particularly donald trump. we talked about this last week. when be the idea that don's home is

a transactional president who will get a nuclear deal with iran for as. busy as us business interests come 1st and they invest in iran, and us business leads the way, is this agreement going to affect that thinking as well? i think if it is to a factor that will effect as positive the because as i mentioned earlier, i think a, you know, putting a lot of pressure, as you mentioned in the 2 countries has driven down closer and closer. and they are in a position that they have never been in terms of their close times because you as an west sanctions on the 2 countries. now the donald trump have to choose whether he wants a to deal with these countries on a, you know, equal foot tank region good deal as he likes to do or to push the

closer as, as mentioned also earlier, i think a one thank. so the range of the relationship between yvonne only with russia, but also with china and other countries that are rivals united states and the collector west, i think have been the pressure puts on people on the use. of course, the ideal, a international approach has a balance. you want to have good guys with full west and east. but obviously the west has cheated the j. c. u a and then photos maximum pressure sanctions on the wrong. so it's left us with no other choice but. ready have a closer ties with the east, basically, and uh go the president later for the, for president tracy and his administration, focusing on the look to the east. i think president trump have to choose basically pushing the wrong the other to that direction or have it have what it wants. it

sounds, relationship with it. oh yeah. just love. do you think this is a blueprint for a wider agreement? a similar one, but with of the, our countries with other countries in the world. it says, well, the future holds for russia. i am sure that the a a is that is out all the american foreign policy is still to bring iran on the russia to one thread. it will more close relations between them. why? because uh your own of to anyone else in the 1979 was on the bat is 3 the i'm not a consent. sions. and they said that the sons can some think about the oh, sick 1600 sanctions, where i put up on the wrong unit in this period of time. romero or russia from

a within 3 year last year's was received at both c $106.00. 0 sorta. oh, uh, 16000. $16000.00 the evan. yeah. sanctions have put up on a russia during this period. so i'm at a gun and the right and the, uh, i suppose it push russia and iran on the one thread to, to, to, to the with the what find the way out from this the, and the low volt, uh, ascension, the extensions because it is a one side searches owned to the united states in the west and comforters, not the united states, united nations. so i assume that this is productive. they broke through this relations on economic go based,

found very productive way. russia corporate was around on nuclear, a few. because i'm not sure it is in a bar over your around. if it is be a freight, it should be a freight 1st of all, russia, it will be in a nuclear power button that you're on or not the united states who is a, on the distance of about the 10000 kilometers from around. so i assume that the know our relations um more productive, more uh at least stick and more politically moderated. i assume that the this relations uh, yeah, just uh sorry, you made a very important point. then i'd like to bring it to marina in munich, marina. this i did is, there is this agreement, there's a framework that's going to be in place may will be applied to other countries. this is going to be very, very concerning to the traditional west us the u. k, etc. surely,

neighborhood is correct. and the 1st agreement with north korea was already disconcerting. of course, we don't know what kind of scope of disagreement we'll have. and we're also seeing rushes foreign policy more and more directed to the middle east and the south west asia. and that is in line of what one of the jew political scientists in russia, alexandra to be and has been writing about him at the week of the century. and he was essentially saying that our friends are not in the west. so friends are in the eastern is that's where our focus should be. and it looks like russia is now following that line of thinking, especially with what is happening in the middle east. what has recently happened in syria, and this will of course, be a great concern. the same as breaks or breaks has also been a great concern to bricks block which,

which is expanding and to which iranian president muscle possess can also travel to the brick summit. last year, this will be disconcerting because this is a tonic shift in the global power relations. and so what we're seeing here essentially is an attempt to formalize a power block and not just a through economic outlets, but also through different strategic corporations. which also include the military sphere, which will certainly be very important for other countries, such as the run such as perhaps vietnam, because russia is testing a lot of technology and ukraine and is working up on our end. the so new markets will be opening up as a us influence wayne since this region, russia can step in a house on the woods, strategic the woods partnership of the 2 keywords that have been pushed,

that this is something him that's beneficial to both russia and to iran, but that must have been a moment during negotiation. all these traits, he must have been a little bit of a fit that iran could well become a client state of russia that must have happened to is listening to the ones in passenger to the russia will address this issue. i think there has been a debate that, well, you can say the writing is a work talking and it's still are talking about the, the brand. so this a framework agreement is whether it touches upon the sovereignty or not. the bassinger was keen to know that its respects so this offering 2 of the 2 nations it actually enhances. ready their capability to assign them their a basically independence. these are the and imposing west. uh and uh,

they radians will not uh, sign a deal that would uh, harm coupons, defenders in any formal shape. of course, that's the official line to base or ongoing until everything is clear and the agreement is out. these debates are to be continued. of course, as you said, uh, i mean uh, history weighs in lots of things have happened in the past that uh the reviews are concerned with, but i think disagreement has the potential to move it to countries beyond that district. if it is to be successful in a basically enhancing specifically that he cannot make a defensive and secure to do the ties between the 2 countries and the trade rows that are i think the most important part for the writing is at this point. um yeah, just offer oh, sounds like a very good idea. i must go handful to her on paper to strengthen these ties to try and come back. american sanctions,

american influence in the region as well. but america just simply could impose most sanctions. it could scope to this deal is they still strong enough to withstand an american response a lot. i think that the russia and during the last 3 years, bruce to americans proved to europeans that no sanctions that work during the work and it gains in the interests of europe as europe, in countries at all, their ruining m a u r p, and they've gone on but not the russian, they call into their russia benefit from this sanction special if they've done production inside. and many of the branches of industry is that where destroy jordan's less such a yes of to is it gives production of the soviet union. now uh are you calling regarding is,

is it is as that is out of american policy. so in some way we can think american policy, oh, essentially. well, is it against the rush because it's free to rush and liberal circles ruling circles that there is no way to go up. what they do is that the west on the same way that it was collaboration, we saw a jordan less the circuit. yes. so i assumed that the russian economy is held to resend the economy and now is developing and productive in production is, is on a very good level. i said that it is a good signal for, oh uh, they've gone to the store to watch what means independent development. all they've gone. i mean, a russian, they're going to be a marina. this is a good thing, says all guessing in moscow full of russia and assigned

a failure of american foreign policy. is it as simple as that? of course, it's not as simple as that, and we also have to admit, yes, it is true. that's rochelle already in 2013 has introduced and what policy, which would make the defense industry independent from imports from approved to. but there are still branches that are suffering and it will take time to develop those branches, such as mike for electronics and, and this has been acknowledged hands the reason for the need to him for a dual use components. but that being said, we have seen the trucks, you have managed maybe at the higher cost and at the more expensive prices to substitute that the problem here is the entire tendency

where the world is going. and to what extent donald trump's administration will be focusing on specific regions, because we know that china will be one of the primary targets. he also indicated a run. but can the u. s. foreign policy cover all bases? and i think that will be the fundamental question, where is a focus will be and i think that countries like russia, china, iran, most korea, and also countries like i've gotten to spend, which is slowly coming on the board will be watching very closely in order to align their foreign policies and 2 forms of strategic partnerships because they are perceiving that the united states and united states has your money to be in decline . they approve receiving the need to military capabilities to be in the client's specifically after what has happened in ukraine was the supply of weapons and

testing different weapon systems and ukraine, which were made um in the use list by russian system. so electrons warfare, for instance. so i think that we have to be careful coming to quick conclusions in terms of wherever the american policy will lead. because i think it is too early. we're seeing early symptoms of where it is going. and of course, we also have the syria was a huge question mark, what is going to happen in syria and it will be unimportant, geostrategic play or in the region. and i think that that will be in lots of determining factor for the stability of the region in terms of what happens there. and of course, what will happen and 11, and what will happen with israel and how the american policy will address. because those issues i have so i don't want to come to you, we are running out of time. so if you can make this kind of a, a quick age um,

so what are the red lines for it to her on in this new relationship? what will tear on not to do with it? brush asks, where are the, where are the kind of boat is as well. i think we should wait for the agreement to be out to decide. but the, i think the menus score, sewage content, ministry alliances such they basically are in for a roger, for most cooperation with the russians that can help them withstand the same shoes and be more creative. and basically a, you know, pushing back against western positions in terms of economics and politics and international relations. that's for sure. but uh, you know, yvonne being used as a military uh, you know, partner and i guess other countries i think that's out of the options for the one i

think were restroom as well. so the 2 countries have made it clear that they are not buying a the alliance that gaze at 3rd party, but of course other parties have their concerns and they are voicing the oh yeah, just off, just very quickly. all the, any red lines full must go. how much support is to her on going to get and is it going to be blind support? well, i think that frontier is around and from our school it is bands. the task is to, to, to, to keep the economy working independently. because economic go in dependence. this is a political independence to a saw the wrong. and the russia are independent states, members of the united nation, the new zation. i think that this the way they chose jordan incorporation

in economic going to benefit shale far. it is dave around what for a 4 or 4 months go to. so i assume that the o relations will be helping 30 duties independent development goals and uh, in the way of making a new order in new well, what do i do to 1st century breaks? this is the way stated by russia is brief states and you're on the whole giant. but it's a cult code. uh the company is oh, breaks the organization. the fall of health thing for developing in economic goals. the development sense, uh, uh, helps you have it don't economical dealing for all content wise. it gives us who we chose a right way for developing for future nearest future for this way. if this is a new world order,

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