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have strength, and since the start of the war and ukraine to her on has supplied the russian military with drains and short range missiles. now the 2 countries also minting that aligns with a 20 year strategic partnership agreement. the deal is due to be signed later this week when the ronnie and present visits must go. it's expected to in house corporation in defense, trade and technology. so all the deep thing relations driven by recent setbacks in the space of influence in countries like syria and how will this help them confront the us led weld order which has imposed severe sanctions on them. we'll get to august in a moment, but 1st this report from michael apple. the that's the sound of uranian made drugs fired by russia being used widely. and it's for in the chris to run supply of shy head drones and even short range ballistic

missiles to moscow has come to represent their expanding level of cooperation in recent years. and this is a word and a new 20 years strategic partnership treaty is on the horizon of the gods, but this tracy like, by the way, a treaty with north korea is not directed against any country. russian president vladimir putin. any runs president my suited position are expected to sign the agreement on friday. tech runs top diplomats of bus. so rashi was quick to tell russian state media that the comprehensive strategic partnership treaty doesn't say it's a goal of establishing a military alliance. coleman said a recent meeting between putting and positioning on and took many stun him to edit desire to solidify relations. relations and the cultural economic and social sphere is a stronger and improving daily to this end and considering the will being shown by

the supreme leader. we should see them becoming stronger the exact nature of the treaty, at least for now is unclear. but media statements referred to the agreement covering all areas of cooperation in sick these, including defense, energy finance, transport, and more. on the agreement with north korea leverage mentioned was signed last year . it was essentially a new defense packed, and one that seen at least $10000.00 north korean troops deployed to russia. this new russia iran treaty brings together 2 of the world's most heavily sanctions nation. when it comes on the eve of donald trump's return to the white house next week, when i make promises, i keep them and follows new sanctions on russia's oil affected by the outgoing bite and administration. that surprised. so this is definitely

a shift in policy in the last days of the volume ministration we see on the market has got very use to the buyer. and white house was prioritizing avoiding the suction, 2 oil supplies. i was, uh, the other political goals are putting pressure on russia, putting pressure on it wrong as global tensions rise, russia, iran, north korea, and china will likely continue to confront what they see as west and attempts to isolate and challenge them. mike, level l g 0 for the inside story. the that's bringing out guess into her on hassan. i'm it in professor of the university of ron in moscow. yeah, just left myself a former russian diplomat and chapman of the russian friendship with society, with our countries and in munich, maureen, up there on a postdoctoral research at the defense studies department at kings college london award. welcome to you all. i'd like to start entire on 1st. this is

a wide ranging agreement test. one is also potentially a very long last and one wide disagreement and why now? well, i think the, the wait a minute just basically to solidify been has a relationship between the iran pressure and brought in the spectrum. the 2 countries are working on. of course you can always in trade is prompt and assigned to. so other aspect, sorry, little bit, both countries are under sanctions and i think this is to basically immediate some of the pressure they are and up until it has that time based on their economic situation. and also of course, the defense capabilities that search for the we meant to see use addresses wide range of issues. this meant the 2 countries and i think it comes in a time where a at the west. the collector west generally is on the 2 countries as the author,

the and i mean if you like, and we have it from coming back to the white house though i think the, the, this question is on this agreement is charges years ago. but the timing i think has it has to do with the fact that a, a, a very hard line president in the states has taken off his this is basically he's going to be in office, come january, 20 a and then the cheese are meant to also a basically enhanced their cooperation with regards to the politics. so that moving forward to uh, yeah, just off in most cases, bare uh, scan details of what this deal the strategic part is ship will actually mean. but it's not as simple as saying that this is a military alliance. this is very wide ranging. what does this mean for russia going forward? well,

i think that it is not as far away from any minute southern corporation, because a lot are all set and ready to go do are here. said that it is not that goes and you said, but you, it is the bilateral agreement by the a conclusion to, to corporate in, on the economic go. and basically on the stage, i think that it is the not military agreement. it does not mean that military the goals are reduce it, but it is absolutely clear that russia and iran had the military cooperation in syria. and i remind that iran game to come to syria before auction basis, where i range the end of my name and sort of tools. so we are ready to go in good god of donation during the last 10 years,

militarily. but we don't have any intention to innovate, leave see to do in red lab on, on automatic. and you're saying that the, our, against the, at the, to the local governments in here in lebanon, in many other countries. let me bring in marina here, marina, almost this is a negligible when you heavily sanction countries, they all going to get together and try and beat those sanctions. this was almost to be expected, wasn't it? well, as has already been said, was this new agreement to be signed and on the 17th of january is actually going to replace an agreement that has been signed by russia and the room in 2000. and one, however, is this new agreement is supposed at least more expensive, and it doesn't have, as has been said to be limited to

a specific sphere of cooperation. if we look at russia, russia is exercising grand strategy, which means that it's uses all instrument of steve craft, military, economic, diplomatic, and otherwise. and this new cooperation is to reflect the realities, the geopolitical realities. and i'm not just referring to the fact that the gold trump and his administration might be going after he rides nuclear program. but also the fact that both countries, um, as has already been stated, i have always sanction meaning that russia had to look for new markets and forwards, commodities. that being said, if lucas, the geographic position of you run iran is a very important route to india is we have to solve said. and we have a non ser development in the, in the region,

meaning the cooperation of neighboring countries with western countries such as the strategic cooperation, signed by armenia and the united states. so it offers the geopolitical counterbalance. we have, on the one hand, we have room unions, the united states, we have a 0 by john and turkey. so the russian uranium corporation is another piece of the puzzle in order to create a balance of power. how some, one of the things is going to be concerning to the americans, particularly donald trump. we talked about this last week when we the idea that don't so as a transactional president who will get a nuclear deal with iran for, as. busy as us business interests come 1st and they invest in iran, and us business leads the way is disagreement going to affect that thinking as

well. i think if it is to a factor that will effect a positive the because as i mentioned earlier, i think a, you know, putting a lot of pressure, as you mentioned in the 2 countries have driven down closer and closer. and they are in a position that they have never been in terms of their close times because you as an west sanctions on the 2 countries. now the donald trump have to choose whether he wants a to deal with these countries on a, you know, equal footing, region good deal as he likes to do, or to push the closer as, as mentioned also earlier, i think a one x. so the rates are of the relationship between yvonne and only with russia, but also with china and other countries that are rivals united states. and the collector west,

i think have been the pressure puts on people on the use. of course, the ideal, a international approach has a balance. you want to have good guys with full west and east. but obviously the west has cheated the j. c. u a and then photos maximum pressure sanctions on the wrong. so it's left us with no other choice but. ready have a closer ties with the east, basically, and uh go the president later for the, for president tracy and his administration, focusing on the look to the east. i think president trump have to choose basically pushing the wrong the other to that direction or have it have what it wants at don's relationship with it. oh yeah. just off. do you think this is a blueprint for a wider agreement? a similar one, but with of the, our countries with other countries in the world. it says, well, the future holds for russia. i am sure that the

a i a is that is out all the american foreign policy is still to bring iran on the russia to one thread. it will more close relations between them. why? because uh your on of to anyone else in the 1979 was on them. that is 3 the i'm not a consent. sions. they said that sons can something about the o sick, 1600 sanctions where i put up on the wrong unit. and this period of time of russia from a within 3 year last year's was received at both c $106.00. 0, sorta. oh uh, 16000. $16000.00 the evan. yeah. sanctions,

well put up on a russia during this period. so i met a gun and the right and the uh, i suppose it push russia and iran on the one thread to, to, to the with the what find the way out from this that i know who the sanction the sanctions because it is a one side search his own to the light that said to the west and comforters, not the united states. united nations is so i assume that this is productive. they broke through this relations on economic go based, found very productive way. russia corporate was around on nuclear issue. because there actually is a neighbor over here around it is be a freight, it should be a project. first of all, russia, if you're going to be in a nuclear power button that you're on or not the united states who is a,

on the distance of about the 10000 kilometers from here on. so i assume that the know our relations up front of that def mall and at least stick and more politically moderated. i assume that the this relations. oh yes, i'm sorry you made a very important point. then i'd like to bring it to marina in munich, marina, this, i did this. there is this agreement is a framework is going to be in place me will be applied to other countries. this is going to be very, very concerning to the traditional west us the u. k, etc. solely names that is correct. and the 1st agreement was most korea was already disconcerting. of course, we don't know what kind of scope of this agreement will have. and we're also seeing russia's foreign policy more and more directed to the middle east and the south

west asia. and that is in line of what one of the jew political scientists in russia looks 100 laguna, has been writing about him as a week of the century. and he was essentially saying that our friends are not in the west, so friends are in the eastern, that's where our focus should be. and it looks like russia is now following that line of thinking, especially with what is happening in the middle east. what has recently happened in syria, and this will of course, be a great concern. the same as breaks or breaks has also been a great concern, the brakes block, which, which is expanding and to which iranian president muscle possess can also travel to the brick summit last year. this will be disconcerting because this is a tonic shift in the global power relations. and so what we're seeing here essentially is an attempt to formalize a power block and not just

a through economic outlasts, but also through different strategic corporations, which also include the military sphere, which will certainly be very important for other countries, such as the right and such as perhaps vietnam, because russia is testing a lot of technology and ukraine and is working on our end. the so new markets are be opening up as a u. s. influence wayne. since this region, russia count on step in the house on the woods, strategic the woods partnership of the 2 keywords that have been pushed, that this is something him that's beneficial to both russia and to iran. but that must have been a moment during negotiation. all these traits, he must have been a little bit of a fit that iran could well become a client state of russia that must have happened to is listening to the ones in passenger to the russia will address this issue. i think there has been

a debate that well, you can to the waiting is a work talking and it's still are talking about the, the some bread. so this framework agreement is whether it touches upon the sovereignty or not. the bassinger was keen to know that its respects so this offering 2 of the 2 nations it actually enhances. ready their capability to assign them their a basically independence. these are the and imposing west. uh and uh, they radians will not uh, sign a deal that would uh, harm coupons, defenders in any formal shape. of course, that's the official line to base or ongoing until everything is clear and the agreement is out. these debates are to be continued. of course, as you said, uh, i mean uh,

history weighs in lots of things have happened in the past that uh the way you guys are concerned with. but i think disagreement has the potential to move it to countries beyond that is true. if it is to be successful in a basic, we enhancing specifically that he cannot make a defensive and secure to do the ties between the 2 countries and the trade rows that are i think the most important part for the writing is at this point to yes, just offer oh, sounds like a very good idea. i must go handful to her own paper to strengthen these ties to try and come back. american sanctions, american influence in the region as well. but america just simply could impose most sanctions. it could scope of this deal is they still strong enough to withstand an american response. as i said,

is that the russia and during the last 3 years proved to americans prove to europeans that know sanctions that work during that work. and it gains that in the interests of europe as europe, in countries at all, their ruining m a u r, p, and the economy, but not the russian, they quote another russia benefit from these sanctions special a 3 tons, production inside, and many other branches of industry that were destroy jordan's less such a yes of to is it gives production of the soviet union. now uh are you calling gardens is as it is as that is out of american policy. so in some way we can think american policy. oh, essentially. well, is it against the rush? i because it's free to rush and liberal circles ruling circles that there is

no way to go up. what they do is that the west on the same way that it was collaboration, we saw a jordan, a less associate. yes. so i assumed that the russian economy is held to resend the economy and now is developing and productive in production is, is on a very good level. i said that it is a good signal for o, as i've gone through store to watch what means independent development. all they've gone on in a rush and they're going to be a marina. this is a good thing, says, guessing in moscow full of russia and assign a failure of american foreign policy. is it as simple as that? of course it's not as simple as that, and we also have to admit, yes. and it is true that trust shall reading 2013 has introduced and what policy,

which would make the defense industry independent from imports from approved to. but is there a still branches that are suffering and it will take time to develop those branches, such as mike for electronics and, and this has been acknowledged hands the reason for the need to him for dual use components. but that being said, we have seen the trucks, you have mileage, maybe at the higher cost, and at a more expensive prices. to substitute that, the problem here is the entire tendency where the world is going. and to what extent donald trump's administration will be focusing on specific regions, because we know that china will be one of the primary targets. he also indicated a run. but can the u. s. foreign policy cover all bases?

and i think that will be the fundamental question, whereas a focus will be and they think that countries like russia, china, iran, most korea, and also countries like i've gotten to spend, which was slowly coming on the board will be watching very closely. and we're to, to aligns therefore and policies and 2 forms of strategic partnerships. because they are perceiving that the united states on the united states has your money to be in decline. they approve the saving, the need to military capabilities to be in the client's specifically. after what has happened in ukraine was the supply of weapons and testing different weapon systems and ukraine, which were made um in the use list by russian system. so felt like tronic warfare for instance. so i think that we have to be careful coming to quick conclusions in terms of wherever the american policy will lead.

because i think it is too early. we're seeing early symptoms of where it is going and of course we also have um, syria was a huge question mark. what is going to happen in syria and it will be unimportant geostrategic player in the region. and i think that that will be and not the determining factor for the stability of the region in terms of what happens there. and of course uh, what will happen, and 11, and what will happen when israel and how the american policy will address those issues. when it comes to you, we are running out of time. so if you can make this kind of a, a quick age. um, so what are the red lines full to her on in this new relationship? what, what will tear on not to do? where if russia asks, where are the, where are the kind of boat is as well, i think we should wait for the agreement to be out to decide. but the, i think the menus score, sewage content,

ministry alliances such they basically are in for a roger, for most cooperation with the russians that can help them withstand the same shoes and be more creative. and basically a, you know, pushing back against weston, in positions, in terms of economics and politics and international relations. that's for sure. but uh, you know, yvonne being used as a military uh, you know, partner and i guess other countries, i think that's out of the options for the people right here as well. so the 2 countries have made it clear that they are not buying a the alliance that gays a 3rd party. but of course other parties have their concerns and they are voicing the oh yeah, just like just very quickly, all that any red lines for most go,

how much support is, are on going to get and is it going to be blind support? well i think that frontier is around and from out of school it is man, the task is to to, to, to keep that a calling on it working independently because it cannot make a independence. this is a political independence to a saw era, and the russia are independent states, members of the united nation, the new zation. i think that this the way they chose during corporation in the cannot be going to benefit shale far. it is dave around what for a 4 or 4 months go to. so i assume that the o relations will be helping 30 duties independent development goals. and in the way of making a new or the new well,

what do i do? first, 2nd, sure to breaks this is the way stated by russia, the brief stage, and you're on the whole jain, but it's a co code. uh, the company is, oh, breaks your organization. uh for health and for developing it. economic go, develop and assess. uh uh, helps do you have to go the full content? i said it gives us who we chose a right way for developing for future nearest future. for this way, if this is a new world or the what do we look at it for, for, for, for a funny at us future. i want to think, oh guess hassan. i'm a union. yeah. to solve not to solve and marina moran and assign q 2 for watching. now you can see the program again, any time by visiting or websites out there. don't com. and for further discussion

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