and the soles of warnings as way the only thing was unless okay, i guess the, somebody in chief of one neighborhood from the house of the story and the life of the ongoing is where you used to lation of attacks. i'm now standing above the family here and oh sure, yeah, yeah, neighborhood is all keeps killing palestinians and goes on even as a ceasefire agreement is reached, say. and 15 months ago is due to come into effect on sunday a day before donald trump's return to the white house to watch the deal. why know what's good and doing this isn't 5 sort of the hello and welcome to the program. i remember on con, news of a long awaited ceasefire prompted celebrations and goes on wednesday nights. but in

the hours that followed, it was business as usual, as well as killing machine attacks, killed thousands of palestinians off to the agreement between israel and how mass was announced. the cx 5 is due to start on sunday. part of a deal reached following increased pressure from the incoming trump administration in the us. so come the agreement, lead to a last and peace. what difficulties lie head. we'll discuss this with our guest shortly. but 1st, this report from it consume sharif up to 15 months of debt, destruction, and displacement in tulsa, the announcement of a loan, good way to cease fire dealer. it comes off the intense negotiations were held in cut, alice kept to, to ha, that's so that's coverage and what do you want? so that'll be a time egypt in the united states. a happy to announce the success of joint to mediation if it's to reach a deal in gaza to exchange prisoners and hostages, to attend to the prolonged truce. the chief dependency spy,

and also the delivery of large amounts of humanitarian aid to fill a spring. and so the 3 state ceasefire is due to be implemented on january the 19th, the initial phase, the last 6 weeks in which the bombardment of gauze of installed these rarely military withdrawal from populate today of yes to the outskirts of district, allowing displaced palestinians to return home, a mouse is expected to release 2 to 3 is for the captives in exchange for palestinian prisoners and desperately needed. humanitarian aid was shown to the so it's $600.00 trucks a day. but disagreement has a clear mechanism for the 1st 42 days, and there is a clear to me that kind of them to negotiate phase 2 and 3 in the 2nd phase, pulse is expected to release old remaining is really captives and return from both ballasting and pushing it, it will see the phone withdrawal of israeli forces from the philadelphia called to

do along cause us border with egypt. the toad unfunded stage will involve the 2 parties exchanging the bodies of the deceased and focus on the reconstruction of casa. this well going us question job i do, i'm president, lead dillman from have both taken credit for security and did to you in as well. it was relief and hope, especially among the families of the captain, the dosa, the celebrations, even as this when the strikes continued. is transport and goes on has more than $46000.00 palestinians, and repeatedly displaced an entire population, leaving people facing hunger. this consumption each launch a seizure for inside student before a panel discussion, let's hear from to guess directly affected by the war. and the moments will have

from the relative oven is really captive held in garza. but 1st let's speak to someone living in garza. i'm a solid, i'm up. what's your reaction to the do? first uh, i feel the deal is on the substitute. as soon as this a date to stop the killing, the necessity to stop by getting the if the fitness sense of the children of a woman and then, but at the same time, it builds a new hope for palestinians to start again to begin to build their lives to go back to the home of, to more than a year of being displaced and being oppressed and sees. so i'm, i'm hopeful that this is a huge step towards the permanency square. and this could not have happened without the pressure of the international pressure method. yeah, how's the government? because they have a colonial aspirations and we could see that in, in libyans and lebanon's latest the aggression. so they,

they don't go onto it through and they have aspirations and, and, and syria. so i'm still, i'm hopeful, but let's see, let's wait for the 2nd phase. maybe it's going i, i have a huge hopes that this time it's, it's, it's good what to spend that. and this is a huge step towards a permanency expire. and yes i am, i'm on hold for about. thank you to i last saw that now retired is where the gentlest or they live, sits, was taken captive during the october the 7th attack his grandson daniel and tell him he gave his reaction to the deal. my reaction is uh yeah, i've been waiting for a long time to uh, to get to that moment. and then now when there is the agreement about the hostage release and it says fire i, i'm, i'm happy from that and i'm looking forward to see the hostages going on. and moreover, i'm a little cool, but that all the parties will ensure that the deal will be a full deal of all the hostages coming back. and there will be no issues in the

upcoming day. so on sunday we can start to have hostages coming back from uh, guys, uh, in the red cross chips. if i look backwards, i see a lot of things. i mean, well good, let's go back to october 7. how is possible to an old man like my grandfather, 84 years old, great grandfather, the only great grandfather held hostage in the world for more than 460 days. something that could never ever happened in any religion and culture. and it was in october 7th. so let's look forward. let's bring back the hostages home start to cease firing garza and continue for a different uh, error of the conflict between the palestinians and these wireless. the let's bring it to a guess in doha is done in a beach, a palestinian lawyer and former legal adviser to the palestine liberation organization and tell of eve, myra, as long as he who is

a senior israel analyst at the international crisis group. she covers domestic is ready politics and relations with the palestinians, and both foster with joined by beverly mill edwards, a non resident senior fellow at the middle east council on global affairs, and co op. a mass. the quest for power will commit to you. oh, i want to start with go hot and with diana, that is very difficult to be joyous about this ceasefire announcement. given that we are witnessing a genocide. but is that any reason to be optimistic? the st just seeing the bombs stopped falling on the heads of palestinian children. and the complete designation of the health care system is the reason that you see so many people who are optimistic. they literally survive genocide. and so people are happy that the bombs are going to stop. the real question is whether this is going to be sustainable and whether israel is going to actually allow palestinians

to live in freed up. i have my doubts about this, particularly since i haven't seen that the international community has stepped up and exerted any pressure on israel over the course of the past 15 months to end this jet aside. so while people are happy, i think that we have to be looking beyond just the immediate looking to the future and asking ourselves whether we want to see this repeat again, or whether the world is actually going to do something to make sure that the house to the answer, finally 3 more of a instead of a, one of the things about this deal is that is causing a lot of control the seat within israel itself, the hard right for rights politicians seemingly against the seatbar deal, particularly the 2nd phase they say is off should go to war against this still plenty of time for this deal to be scuffled. right? yeah. so the far right is explicitly against the deal and is threatening to top of the coalition on that and you out does have a much dirty that he needs in the cabinet and in the capacity of the parliament to

pass the deal. the question is, if they will actually quit the conversion now i have been putting my bet on the fact that they won't because while in power they have done extraordinary a, you know, disruptive measures in the west spain to the israel police. and they have achieved a lot of things that they want to achieve against the palestinians and for a greater israel and small to reach the finance minister is pulling quite badly. so if he leaves the coalition, his alternative is not great. at the same time, this is threatening so and it's and ya is not on the corner because as far as i can tell, the deal is done. but he might not have a coalition of the other side of this. and i think he will do everything his power to try to promise them the things that they will be able to get under a trumpet administration if they stay. but we are now at almost 4 pm. i'm. it is ro, the cabinet and government are supposed to pass the deal, procedurally it officially here today, so that it can take into effect sunday and he still hasn't done so and there's been

radio silence maintenance in yahoo. since the deal was announced last night. let me bring you in here. one of the interesting things about this deal is the us president of joe biden, the outgoing one saying that this was the same deal, but was he presented that was rejected by netanyahu? but then we have trump saying, i made this deal, i made this deal happen. is there a back room deal that's been done between that and yahoo and trump is go to display of stage? do you think i well, they saw the speculation, the some form of incentives which listened up perfectly normal in any kind of see fund negotiations as we well know from northern ireland and from other c spots in israel, palestine. so there's definitely speculation the forms of incentives have been offered to net 10. yahoo! and that could include from the trump administration agree, no, i told him of alex ational published in the entire tree oral type,

siri entire tree. and also that signaling that may be things like functions that have been put against this race that close in the west by and by the by an administration will be rescinded by the new secretary of state. montgomery via data is the, is a back room deal. and if it is the attic section of the occupied westbank attic station of their entire tree, settlers being allowed to continue the way they are behaving in the occupied westbank. that doesn't bode fight a longer peace deal. or in fact scope has a, can i a longer piece deal? is that acceptable? certainly not. and i think that we have to be very careful and kind of presenting this as, as some sort of trump achievement. it is correct that this is the same agreement that was presented back in may, and it's the same structure of the agreement of the same agreement. back in march of 2024 and the same structure as in november of 2023. that be and it's clear that

this could have added with a simple phone call by president by, but instead he funded it at the same time, i think we have to be very cautious in saying that this is somehow trump working his working his magic because what we do knows that this isn't going to be without real work that trump is going to reward israel. and the idea that somehow a state that has been genocide, all this perpetrated genocide for over 15 months is going to be rewarded. is obviously very troublesome. this is where it becomes very important for the rest of the world to stop in and to actually make clear, the genocide is not acceptable. that colonialism is not acceptable. and we already have some decisions by the international court of justice saying that the world now must act. so the idea that the, that trump is going to give away palestinian territory and that this is going to be accepted is obviously false. and it's up to the world now to put into place

measures to make sure that that does not happen. well, the world has been with the world has failed. let's be honest when it comes to putting pressure on is really a politicians domestically, as well as been able to withstand the pressure just because the americans are backing them. is that any thing international community can do? if this indeed is a potential deal, decide x ation. i mean, you know, 1st of all, my analysis is that it's an yeah, who specifically isn't necessarily interested in for melodic station because he's able to push through defacto annexation without dealing with any of the legal consequences. for a very, very long time. and so i'm not sure that's necessarily the route that he would choose to take. certainly the far right wants that. but you know, the ceasefire, which is already full of loopholes and already may not see the full fruition to the end, which would include the, the ability for gaza to, to be rehabilitated and re construct. i mean, it will,

it is already shaky and for it to have any hope actually leading to a political horizon for palestinians and security for both cost and isn't, is realized in the international community of which is, you know, not just the us, but the, your, your opinion and others, and some of whom have tried and not in the west and the global. so would have to hold as role to account. and that has not happened yet. if they want to see this through. and if trump specifically has, who has put some political capital now into closing this deal, if he wants it to not fall apart quickly, he's going to have to, if his administration are going to have to do a lot to make sure that it's the is and i'm not sure i see that happening at the same time. you know this, you know, really weird situation in which trump the knob i there are the ones to that is the one to kind of close the steel. and so what, what are his expectations of nothing? yeah. and even in this transactional agreement that they might have orchestrated nothing. yahoo is in a very precarious situation. so again, like the, the,

the likelihood is that this deal will not actually stay the course, and it will be dramatic for everybody involved. but if the international community doesn't wanna go back to the same place that we've been in for the last 15 months, it's going to have to start. the whole thing is role to account. for example, it could respect the arrest warrant. it's uh by the i c, j 4 and it seen yahoo and former defense minister. it could insist on me and it's of the season in gaza permanently. and it could help palestinians reach a point where they can politically renew and start election process and all the things that they are not able to do at this point. so that but mr. beverly i was speaking to one of the former senior people in the occupied palestinian territory is united nations official. and he said to me, off the record, this isn't the best deal, but it's the deal that we can get. but he's fully expecting it to fail. do you think that is the expectation generally, but this is a deal that we'll file. well,

look, i think anybody who's ever been involved in mediation on negotiations because the squad little piece deals be they know an island south of covering the release expects fadia. and that's why process is a very boring mechanisms of monitoring and verification, timing all 5 around. so to negotiation and the things that are of the participants has been addressing, which is international pressure and international will, will be very, very important. and that we sure right now um because the current agreement at least we can say that for 42 days month think this is very uncalled to them to oppose the remarks of a mile from darrow by law at least for $42.00 days. there is some dilemma of her for every palestinian living in gauze in the westbound can east jerusalem and for his radius whose families have been held hostage since. alt type of the 7 we

shouldn't squander about how we should as an international community, as diplomats and international organizations. we should continue to marshall efforts to show off the cx, 5 process. so the, off the, the $42.00 days we can get to phase 2 and on a palm and a cease fire sustainable the spot which he can well open up the gates for the next stage, which would be the recovery and rehabilitation of the 1000 strip. now we do know that the scientists are leading the global alliance on the implementation of the 2 states. they show along with the you know, way and they were meeting yesterday out of coats out of your reading. there will be a, a t play or even though at the moment to is to be on the periphery of the, the mediation that took place in total. how to reach the currency spot arrangements . let me bring in dire and a head, dinah. i want to talk about these negotiations with palestinian points of view.

you've talked about this before, that it's almost closed. it's almost a universal truth. but whenever the palestinians negotiate, they are often negotiating under pressure from the position of weakness. and israel is leading the charge as it was, but now we have a genocide in gaza. has that put pressure on these release to soften that position? or they just go hard and do you have any face in these negotiations? me lead by saudi arabia. they're taking place? no, no, i have no facing them whatsoever. and the reason i have no faith is because of the fundamental power balance. the reason that house to the ends are always on the weaker side is because they're living under is really military rule. and what that means is that israel can call the shots, they can call the shots on how our daily lives our lives. and unless there is a 3rd party to actually put pressure on israel to end its military occupation, then it's always going to be a situation which there's a power imbalance. now,

the fundamental problem here is that nobody wants to do this. and over the course of the past 15 months, rather than israel is looking in where it's insane, how was that we got to this position. and maybe we have to give up this idea of perpetual war and perpetual control. and this mentality that the only way that we can be said is it posted is our on site instead of them doing that, they've double down. so i fully expect and you already see it in this agreement, that they're going to be even greater elements of israel trying to control palestinians everything from how many trucks come in, what types of trucks, who's allowed to monitor it, was allowed to leave it be this is precisely what israel has always been doing and unless there is a, a shift and fundamental shift and mentality of one that use that policy is have a right to live freely and independently without israel. then. then i'm afraid that

we're going to be back in the same position over and over again. it's more of, it's a, it's an opinion i've heard over and over when i've been in his role when i've been in palestine where people say, these riley's just want us palestinians to be happily occupied. they don't want us to kick up a fuss or do anything, let him do anything that will work that particular but, and it's always been very, very successful, occupying the policy and there's no input to us, but as well, to change in any way it strategy simply subjugating the policy and it says no pressure to it, right? no, there's no pressure, but i do think that the october 7th attacks are, you know, a good illustration of, of why it's not actually a tenable, it might have been stable. but ultimately, there is a price to pay for continuing to be an occupying power. and now after 15 months is

rose wanted for war crimes is really soldiers are trying to be, you know, be tried or arrested broad. unfortunately, not any auto himself has not yet had to pay a price politically or internationally, but it is individual, as rarely as ours are. and we'll start to pay that price is rarely think about where they travel they're gonna have to, as soldiers are gonna have to think twice about what they're posting online. if there's, there's going to be a change. it is and how it is rarely understand the way they interact with the world. and so, you know, ideally the people in charge would be held to account 1st. but the way this process is starting, it, starting from, from the individual is rarely. and you know, i, i'm hoping that the trauma of october 7th, the lack of faith in this government. the fact that there is a real tension between the military, which as you alluded to, wants to have a kind of enlightened unhappy occupation and a political echelon at once full on annexation. that out of that is really is who has been displaced from the north of israel,

from the south. a visitor of who want this hostage deal and see that this government is working to under mine, is that they will start to change their political behavior and their voting patterns. it might take a long time. but at some point, and i, you know, i think everybody sees that is where those objective in gaza with all of the military that it's pushed. and the destruction that it's cause has not brought israel any closer to removing a mouse from power or providing a real security. so hopefully as early as will start to realize that probably in your dealings with these readings and you'll dealing with the palestinians, have, you know, she noted a shift in these right. these attitude have, they've become weak up because of the genocide going on and gaza or is that the same idea that we are in charge and we are strong still provides a fuzzy kind of role. what we see from is around particularly its politically stopped us from the backs top by, you know, very strong public social media and media narratives that they dis, height,

but calamity. and despite the show that we've visited on them on october the 7th. and that's myra pointing to that will not mention time, so you know, the, oh, do you say to the phrase that is where i would always be. so i feel we feel goals we occupied for the purpose of this rel, security defined the fact that that was literally blowing the postal code. but the 7, well we see is that israel come remain intransigent and can remain and trust him because the international community, i'm certainly the us, whether it's the by that ministration or full coming coming trump administration. it literally encourage them to do so from the to do so politically and it so much that we support them to do so. so bad in itself is sufficient for it to remain. richard, to remain on yielding, which is why it's so difficult to get to sessions the so in polls sense compromise,

some concessions which is so important in, in ending negotiation in any mediation process on a dial to reduce wireless manage finance, achieve or c spot and, and eventually achieve peace with a 2 state solution where both the palestinian people i'm just really is kind of literally live in peace side by side database or as all of this was going on in gaza, it was getting worse in the occupied westbank. there was a rule that was often unseen, unheard of by the international community going on. israel was arresting by the thousands people rating refugee camps. it was killing people on the west, industrial scale when it came to the occupied west bank. where is the palestinian authority in all of this? they've come under a tremendous amount of criticism when it comes to jeanine refugee camp for example . and facilitating his way the rates, the of where,

where is the occupied westbank and opinion. all of this now. i think it's important to keep in mind what is real done over this period, which is not just the rates but also killing and also to be taking over a palestinian land. they've expropriate more land in the course of the past 15 months and they have been 20 years. and when it comes to the policy and i'm just sorting where they're, where they are. the house mean a story. we should really simply understand it as being no greater in power then, then a local mirror and rather than i'm standing up and pushing and, and demanding for the end, it is genocide and trying to support how soon as we've seen that the housing authority has stopped back and done nothing on the on the best case scenario. and then a worst case scenario is actually gone after people in geneva as well. it just shows just how the 2 are connected. how israel. ready so connected to the pals. yes already. and as i know there's a set in the past that housing authority is no better than israel security,

subcontractor, which means that it's carrying out the work that israel demands that it carry out. and this is because it's also the reply at the request of the international community. we must break this mindset that somehow palestinians are a security problem or a security threat. and instead be addressing the fundamental issue which is the lack of palestinian freedom. and once we put into place measures to make sure the policies are free, then we won't be having this conversation about a past. me a story that is, that is doing nothing to support us. be a very quick photo of diana because you write a very interesting point. that is it then time for the policy you authority to disband and we go back to the pa, the sign liberation organization, or resistance movement. is that what you're saying? for a long time and others have been talking about just dismantling the palestinian authority because it's, it's overstate. it's welcome. it was really only designed to be in it in place for

a short period of time for 5 years, and then to be replaced by a permit posted in government that's elected. the end of this month, my hood, i bass will have been in power for 20 years. he was, but he was elected for 4, and that's it. and unless we, we go down the path of not looking at just the policy and authority as limited in jurisdiction, limited in the places to which it can operate. but instead, transform it into a government that's representative of all palestinians. and that is pushing for liberation for independence of all palestinians and their land. then i'm afraid that we're going to be stuck in the same circle over and over again. i want to thank all guess dinah, be to my room is only seen and beverly milton edwards and thank you to for watching . you can see the program again. any time by visiting or websites out is there a dot com and for further discussion, go to a facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash age and side story. and you can also join the conversation on x. all

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