for president richard nixon, she was, was in about the same margin of distance as richard nixon was from john kennedy. in 1960, under 2 percent of the popular vote. i separated her from donald trump. so i think she can take heart that she did very well for having such a bumpy road to getting the nomination in terms of job. i've been waiting so long to drop out, but it also means that she can go wherever she wants to go outside of politics. and she could even run again for president as richard nixon did. 8 years later, and then another similarity, nixon lost his 1st presidential race and then ran for governor of california, 2 years later, 6 and lost the governorship retired from politics, but then ran for the presidency again. and one here, as leisure office here behind, many of her supporters are urging her to run for the governor of california. unlike nixon, who was a republican, harris likely when the heavily democratic states,

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just symmetric is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu himself has said the founders of the be the movement. want to see the end of the jewish state were 1st look who's talking to fisher as leaders are nourishing anti semitism. like never before. they're in bed with the fascists of the world. the. i thought the mobile to and this is reframe where we seek new conversations and perspectives in the series. we'll be discussing one of the biggest issues about time, the face of palestine on this people. and what the warren gaza has reviewed about the nature of israel's, of jason, the my guess this week is one of the most prominent palestinian human rights defenders. omar by who is the co founder of

b. d. s. the boy called divestment and sanctions campaign. a policy indian movement inspired by the south african n t a pos side struggle successive is really government's have tried to deal legitimize vs subjecting omar to threats and intimidation in 2017. so my receive the gone the piece award for who for the summer. thank you so much for joining us today. thank you. you've been on the full front of the fight to defend human rights in palestine for decades. can you tell us what is b d s and what is the philosophy that animates it? so that'd be this was launched by the absolute majority of palestinian society in 2005, calling for the basic rights without which palestinians cannot exercise self determination . ending the occupation ending as the regime of racial segregation,

which meets the one definition of apartheid. and that item of refugees to return. by focusing on those 3 right speeds, addresses the basic tribes stipulated under international law. the most important points of ideas is that it connects the palestinian liberation struggle with ending complicity internationally. which means we cannot and occupation on the part time then then to have our refugees to return and receive preparations without ending the complicity of states corporations and institutions. so in a nutshell, the theory of change of the media as movement is from the grassroots to the grass stops in order to effect the policy change, we need to build people power, which has many, many forms, intersection of coalitions, media power, and strategic litigation, power. the ability to peacefully disrupt the powers that be and so on and so forth . and it's most important to say that it is an anti racist movement. that

categorically opposes old forms or phrases. but even if we're talking about the movement that connects palestinians with the rest of the worlds in this fight to end complicity is people's power enough to take is well off. it's current. paul, when is trying to derives most of its power as we're seeing during this ongoing genocide from being armed, funded and shielded from accountability by the united states, the u. k. germany, the a you and so on. without those links of complexity, israel cannot maintain its entire system of oppression. so we think yes, we can. if we cut those thinks of complexity, it does kind of help the palace thing and people resist more effectively, the system of oppression and eventually dismantled it. we've seen this in south africa, this is not something completely hypothetical that has never been tested. people's

across the world has been able to defeat extremely powerful enemies from india. i guess the british colonialism of jerry against the french colonialism of south africa against apartheid. and it took a lot of international solidarity. it wasn't just the internal resistance, external sort of attitude is also very integral. this resistance you have said in the past that the way in which israel rolls out its, its own apartheid is far more sophisticated than what happened in south africa in, in what way is it more sophisticated when it's a part or 2 point? oh, if you will, it's the newer version because it's what it has learned a lot from the south african system of apartheid, which in turn learned a lot from the u. s. system of apartheid against indigenous and against black americans. and so israel knows that, unlike south africa, it's not an inherently very powerful country that the west needs, per se, of course, it serves imperial powers and so on. but in order for israel to continue it,

system of oppression, it has to appear as if it were democratic liberal. so it cannot afford to have petty apartheid preventing palestinian citizen central their citizens from sharing the same hospital wards. although we're getting much closer to that. but a part that is not about sharing tables or hospital wards, a part tied to the crime, defiant and international law as a system of racial domination by one patient group against another. that deprives them of basic rights based on their identity and institutionalize, is this racial segregation, and discrimination? and that's true, perfectly fits. that's paradigm as different and international law choices, right? you, me, you're entitled to the entire set of rights. if you're not a choice, if your intention is palestinian christian wisdom or otherwise, you're not entitled to those things of rights. so is there is not the state of its citizens. it's a state of the jewish people worldwide. it doesn't give it's citizens who are not

to wish the same rights by law, not just by policy. naomi klein, who's a famous canadian officer, an activist, has called medias of people's foreign policy and says it deserves to be seen as such. i wanted to ask you how jewish voices are represented in your movement today in north america, in particular, jewish supports, or media, as has always been disproportionately high during the last few years, it has grown exponentially. and during the genocide it as true and even further. so everyone has seen those jewish peaceful disruptions of congress and stature of liberty and the grand central station. extremely inspiring. they understand that there is nothing jewish about israel's occupation, settler colonialism ethnic cleansing apartheid or genocide. and therefore there's nothing empty. jewish and supporting b. s to dismantle those systems,

those structures of oppression and those crimes. and we are very proud of this as jewish support for medias. and it helps a lot to counter old domestics about the movement that are trying to silence palestinian advocacy is it's perhaps not that well known omar that's non violent resistance impact as time goes back. really a century on that published and in civil society has been active since the time of the british mandate. can you speak to us briefly about that history of non violence resistance and also where you play speeds within that story? indeed boycotts in particular. go back at least a century and palestinian history and, and fighting british colonialism and then the scientist set for colonialism. and so, boy, because of all has been used, we did not learn boy cuts from gone through or martin luther king or from south africa as inspiring because those examples have been going to be this movement for example. but we've learned it mainly from our own history and from oracle and roots

over heritage of struggle. the most important point to remember is that there's a diversity of resistance forms in palestine and everywhere else. you don't face colonialism or sense of colonialism or any system of oppression with one form of resistance. simply because people are different. there's diversity among people. if you're a student or an artist or a child, i do sometimes workshops in schools and drama, or in nablus. and kids asked me, we really love this idea of the ds. can we do it? i said, yes. one parent once told you, what did you do to our children? and yesterday in your i said, what happened? he said, my daughter formed a check point in the house when my wife and i came from the supermarket sheet, 2nd to 3 items, to make sure none of the products were blood comfortable. and i said, i'm so proud of your thoughts. what are some of the, the wins that you're most proud of?

recently, it's hard to speak about successes in the midst of ongoing genocide. but we must, we must, because it is where we see the hope in this unspeakable darkness of ongoing hotter every single day. a new mess up or a new school, then you atrocity, i don't have to indonesia or malaysia or, or pakistan, or south africa, archie or colombia or the us or the okay. i know, and you see hope everywhere a movement is growing power press. so its power is growing like never before. we are successfully challenging powers that be been a region southern front, the absolute largest in the world. recently divested it's $500000000.00 worth of insurance bonds. under pressure from the law largest trade union in norway, which is the media supporter. but even bigger than that entails, the chip maker can. so the project of investing $25000000.00 would it be $25000000000.00 near tel aviv 15 miles from guys up basically they were planning

a huge factory on several factors. led to that including b. s. pressure on, on shareholders. does it make sense to invest in a war zone where your entire investments may disappear? isn't this reckless, isn't this ideological and intent that was much more effective than our ethical and legal arguments in that case? so there are many other cases look at what's happening with artists. we condemn x with students in con minutes, trade unions. so all over the place. i think the whole young generation, from korea to the us from sweden to south africa. they have center to palestine as part of their identity as a generation that wants a different worked. that is not through by extremely horrible corporations and militaristic companies and financial institutions that that's such a blood. they want a different world. but at the same time as, as having this impact, it's also true that b, this has come under increased scrutiny and attack. and one of the main criticisms

leveled against your movement is that it's just symmetric. is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu himself has said to the founders of the be the movement. want to see the end of the jewish state. they're classical, anti semites in modern garb. how do you respond to that? one 1st, little close talking. the fisher as leaders are nourishing anti semitism like never before. they're in bed with the fascists of the world in europe, in the us, their best friends from crazy christian scientists cell. it's in the us, the anti semitic, but they love israel. this is the new formula we're whitewash you into semitism. if you love it, certainly to support this route. so that's one point. the 2nd point is that as i said earlier, bts targets israel's regime of oppression. it does not target identity as such. what is jewish about that?

i mean, how is that jewish saying it is incentive submitted saying that attacking israel, the attacking sign is, is anti semitic, is an anti semitic statement because it equates concern on the one hand, then scientism with all the jews as if jews have no diversity as if they're a model this on finally, if it's ridiculous, all jews, then this live stream to genocide we're saying and casa against a point, 3000000 palestinians is a jewish genocide. how more anti semitic can i get? of course it's not a genocide, does it and is really policy you followed right, fascist government. and this really has nothing to do with jewishness which of days, what do you say to the, the other criticism, which is that boy costs even well meaning boy costs will not damage the largest corporate owner of the company, but actually will hurt the more vulnerable person who they intend to help the workers in this case? actually this is false in our long history. obedience almost 2 decades. we've had

massive support from trade unions. is it because they're acting against their class interest? no, they understand that they have some very evo ceos and board members. that's one of the profit of everything else. and in many cases, they help us to boycott their company, to force their company to abandon the legal projects industry. and it happened with the only a defense conglomerate. i personally met with 3 trades unions of your all your and bill about and the next state they plastered all the buses. the only of us as boy feel. yeah. and then 7 years may serve you only it was forced to abandon israel after losing over $20000000000.00 worth of contracts. so shareholders started doing this fight against us he owes and the boards asked if they see that price being paid. i mean, this brings me to another important point it's, it's very obvious that it's really government's feel threatened by beads. they have campaigned it across the west to enact laws officially binding b b. s. and in the us today, correct me if i'm wrong here,

but 293 and tbd as bills have been introduced effective in 38 states. can you tell us about those laws and do they widen the net from b. s to all the movements. in fact, in many us state legislatures, empty media such as nation has been used to suppress the rights of blacks to vote women's reproductive rights, and fossil fuels campaigners and so on and so forth. it's an absolute template. we've been saying that for many, many years don't ignore what they're doing. i guess b d s because they're, they're violating the 1st amendment of the us constitution. the free speech amendment. if they got away with this who's next most progressive movements and he was ignored, that we thought of them, have you learned anything from mccarthy? isn't they claimed they're going after the communists, but they never stop. it's any dissenting voice. then most progressive now saw that

the had to be this legislation is only a gateway, it's only a template to be used for other repressions and other suppression of freedoms. and is this something that you can point to an in states that, that started with b b s and then just rolled over on the right just to look at texas, texas would be and i mean, real versus way to us the 1st few years after they passed all of these and to be this legislation across the state legislatures and it was no go into this. they built the top that it's okay to suspend the freedom of expression on one thing. then you're going suspended on something else. if you have the power, but some places, maybe not states, but certainly at some cities like portland are now turning that tied back. are they not the diverse thing some companies doing business with this or do? do you have faced that this will continue to grow? this is very important in fact, and we hope this catches on in the u. k and elsewhere. because as i said earlier from the grassroots to the grass stops, there's

a whole scales in between. you don't jump from influencing student 12 months and that makes an artist and countries unions to effect in congress into us. for example, you need to go step by step. so we have to influence cities more, more progressive cities, building very large intersection conditions because we've managed to convince the entire progressive movement that the us as so minutes arise and it's not just against us. it's against everyone. look what's happening with health services, education, jobs and so on. so all those cities that passed and to military and ministry investment laws and policies where due to a very large coalitions pushing not just at the start advocacy movement. so the fossil fuel and the climate justice movement allergy between movement and jewish progressives, and many, many others. i want to to you for a moment, you've faced ongoing intimidation by successive israeli governments. they've

attempted to revoke your is really residency. you face delays in the renewal of your travel documents and you've been cold personally, a threat to the state of as well. how does this impact you? it's um, i feel very awkward talking about this in the midst of genocide honesty because it, it pales but it's still trying to silence of a voice that is important and this time isn't it? it is clear that they're not succeeding. no, i mean uh, i mean i'm louder than ever as so it's, it's not working. yes, base tried everything. i mean, the whole point they tried to get to you to, to make you feel that, you know what i'm giving up. it's not worth it. i want to live my life, you know, i always do things for palestine, but you know, i can't do this anymore. that's what they try. but clearly that's not working with me because my response to every phase of intimidation is do more. you will never succeed, to determine me. i will not stop until the system of oppression is dismantled

entirely. i will goodness to to the, to the audience now is my name is jonathan rosen head. i'm one of the jews who supports video. i'm an eventful duration. can we build on the public outrage, israel's kind of brutal sold in garza to tube chose to be d. s. m sanctions movement. and so how do we build on this outrage says x johnson is the most important thing is to recognize that it is happening. can we accelerate that? i guess is the question. absolutely. i think the student movement, those, and complements and this boldness and courage and, and fighting the system to complicit universities and their investments the, put the b and the d and b d. s. on the map. much more than before. so today from pension funds to even

states are, are taking what we were calling for, much more seriously. just and in november of 2024. we've seen more than 52 states endorse admitted to embargo of israel. in 2023. that would have been impossible to even imagine that we won't get dozens of states separating them entertained by go. so it is happening. but because the genocide is so hard, if it and it's life stream, it's very easy to despair that we're not moving fast enough. of course, we're not going fast enough, but that's as fast as we can do in order to build that sustainable movement. change is happening, it's happening everywhere, but that will take more time. indeed, the next question is good gentlemen over there, how far do you think the western states are going to go in dismantling their own sort of extensively liberal democratic systems in the west in order to protect

israel and to protect the genocide? why don't we do to stand against that and to so resist the suppression of free speech on palestine repression of peaceful demonstrations and peaceful protests and peaceful destructions will not stop with palestine. i think in the u. k. more and more groups are realizing this, for example, at when the former government tried to pass, the conservatives tried to pass and not to be the legislation that was so draconian, civil mccarthy, i sold repressive the kind of sort of the campaign managed to form a very large, very broad coalition for the 1st time ever to address this because everyone from amnesty to every other civil rights groups recognize that unless we stop this, they're coming for us. but the main point is this, what the, what you said, which is those powers that be those western inmates,

those colonial states are really dismantling. clip pro democracy as we know it to defend their favorite set. the colony is right, and this is, this is the sort scare every liberal, not just every progressive or leftist, every liberal should really be warrant. your civil rights that you take for granted are disappearing before your eyes. you can stop it before it goes away. we've got a question in the front. what are the benefits that you see for building international solidarity? linking the costs of consolidating movement, for example, with other global solidarity campaigns. global struggles against colonialism and extracted as and more generally contending fx for this. the very recent example at just october 2024. there was a week of action against, sharper on the giant and oil company, oil and gas company in the us because it is very complicit in extracting history,

the claims gas of the in the mediterranean. so it's a very important asset for power and is there i was trying to sign on to part time tracing and so to speak, but it's sort of destroying an indigenous lance in ecuador, and so we connected the struggle is very well and on climate just as active as of an incredible job and supporting this campaign. it is very important that every sector organizes in their sector. so academics and students and unions and universities can do a lot of work in universities. but what are filmmakers underwriters and, and, and feminist and eligibility active as an assignment. you know, there's so many groups that we work with and everyone can be active in their own sector. so all those powers coming together, if you have a common strategy, as we do the media movement as a one global common strategy with very different tactics that are context sensitive, everybody would just want to end with one last question. you've said that be this

doesn't follow a linear pos to progress and that's we lose some bottles, but we, when most so the general direction is going on with a new and us president. does this still hold true? or i think when socialism loses its masks, it might prompt bets or progressive action. we've seen in the 1st trump administration those 4 years, how black lives matter went onto the world stage to become a movement that has inspired tens and hundreds of millions worldwide. that was during the trump era, and i think facets with masks can be very dangerous because they commit the crime while maintaining this, with a broad facade at lock the labor government in this country. i mean the austerity and so on. of course, it's better than to conserve assessment. that doesn't say much. so we have to aim

for more. but i think yes, when, when 5 right parties lose their mask and go on to say massive repressing because everyone that prompts everyone who are sitting on their bottom and not doing enough to get up and start moving on. i think that gives us hope that we will see, especially given the ongoing genocide we will send you energies from everywhere that have been since sitting for so long getting off their neutral position and, and doing something for and not just for palestinians, for the sake of humanity, thank you, i'm about to you for speaking with us today and thank you to all of you who joined us in the audience this evening. the

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