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was to continue the hills, uncomfort and body and resilience. and if the purest form, with detailed coverage, the hornsby chewing every day in a body caused conditions to secure these amounts forth from the hoss of the story. from some bullets have killed more than 46000 palestinians. but right scrooge say that, as well as using food as a weapon to is all keeps killing palestinians and goes on even as a ceasefire. agreement is reached, say. and 15 months ago is due to come into effect on sunday a day before the trucks return to the white house to what's the deal. why now a was good and doing this isn't for us or the
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hello and welcome to the program. i mean, we're on con, news of a long awaited ceasefire prompted celebrations and goes on wednesday nights. but in the hours that followed, it was business as usual, as well as killing machine attacks, killed thousands of palestinians off to the agreements between israel and how mass was announced. the cx 5 is due to start on sunday. part of a deal reached following increased pressure from the incoming trump administration in the us. so tommy agreement lead to a last thing piece. what difficulties my head will discuss this with us just shortly. but 1st, this report from it consumes series of to 15 months of debt, destruction and displacement in tulsa. the announcement of local waited ceasefire dealer. as it comes off, the intense negotiations were held in, cut alice captain to ha, that's the, that's the coverage. and what do you want? so that'll be a time egypt in the united states. happy to announce the success of joint to
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mediation if it's to reach a deal and gaza to exchange prisoners and hostages, to attend to the prolonged truce, the chief of them. that's the spy, and also the delivery of large amounts of humanitarian aid to fill a spring. and so the 3 state ceasefire is due to be implemented on january the 19th, the initial phase, the last 6 weeks in which the bombardment of gauze of installed these rarely military were withdrawal from populate today of yes to the outskirts of district allowing displaced palestinians to return home. a mouse is expected to release 2 to 3 is for the captives in exchange for palestinian prisoners and desperately needed . humanitarian aid was shown to the so it's $600.00 trucks a day. but disagreement has a clear mechanism for the 1st 42 days, and there is a clear to me that kind of them to negotiate phase 2 and 3 in the 2nd phase, pulse is expected to release old remaining is really captives and return from both
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palestinian personnel it will see the phone withdrawal of israeli forces from the philadelphia called to do along cause us both of which egypt the toad. unfunded stage will involve the 2 parties exchanging the bodies of the deceased and focus on the reconstruction of casa outgoing. you assessed in job i do, i'm president, lead dillman from have both taken credit for security and did to you in as well. it was relief and hope, especially among the families of the captain, the garza, the celebrations, even as this when the strikes continued, is transport and goes on has more than $46000.00 palestinians, and repeatedly displaced an entire population, leaving people facing hunger dis,
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consumption each. entre caesar for insights to before a panel discussion, let's here for me to guess directly affected by the war in a moment's will have from the relative of it is really captive held in garza. but 1st let's speak to someone living in garza. i'm a solid, i'm up. what's your reaction to the do? first uh, i feel the deal is a necessity. it's unassisted date to stop the killing, the necessity to stop by getting the, if the fitness sense of the children of a woman. and then, but, but at the same time, it builds a new hope for palestinians to start again to begin to build their lives, to go back to the home of, to more than a year of being displaced and being oppressed and sees. so i'm, i'm hopeful that this is a huge step towards the permanency square. and this could not have happened without the pressure of the international pressure method. yeah. because uh, government, because, uh they have, uh, uh, colonial explorations. and we could see that in,
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in libyans of libyans latest the aggression. so they, they did a lot to move it through, and they have aspirations and, and, and syria. so i'm still, i'm hopeful, but let's see, let's wait for the 2nd phase. maybe it's going i, i have a huge hopes that this time it's, it's good work and, and this is a huge step towards permanency expire. and yes i am, i'm on hold for about. thank you to i last saw that now retired is where the gentlest i owed a live sense was taken captive during the october the 7th attack his grandson daniel, and tell him he gave his reaction to the deal. my reaction is uh yeah, i've been waiting for a long time to uh, to get to that moment. and then now and there is the agreement about the hostage release. tennessee's fire i i'm, i'm happy from that and i'm looking forward to see the hostages going on and more
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over. i'm call that all the parties will ensure that these, the deal will be a full deal of all the hostages coming back. and there will be no issues in the upcoming day. so on sunday we can start to have hostages coming back from gaza in the red cross chips. if i look backwards, i see a lot of things. i mean, we're good. let's go back to october 7. how is possible to an old man like my grandfather, 84 years old, great grandfather, the only great grandfather held hostage in the world for more than 460 days. something that could never ever happened in any religion and culture. and that was in october 7th. so let's look forward. let's bring back the hostages home start to cease firing garza and continue for a different uh, error of the conflict between the palestinians. and these rarely the that's bringing to a guess,
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endo is done a, b, to a public opinion lawyer and former legal adviser to the palestine liberation organization and tell of eve myra as long as seen who is a senior israel analyst at the international crisis group. she covers domestic is ready politics and relations with the palestinians and bo foster with joined by beverly mill. edwards, a non resident senior fellow at the middle east council on global affairs, and co op of him ass. the quest for power will commit to you. oh, i want to start with go up and with diana, that is very difficult to be joyous about this cease fire announcement. given that we are witnessing a genocide. but is there any reason to be optimistic? the st just seeing the bombs stopped falling on the heads of palestinian children. and the complete designation of the health care system is the reason that you see so many people who are optimistic. they literally survive genocide. and so people
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are happy that the bombs are going to stop. the real question is whether this is going to be sustainable and whether israel going to actually allow palestinians to live in freed up. i have my doubts about this, particularly since i haven't seen that the international community has stepped up and exhorted any pressure on israel over the course of the past 15 months to end this jet aside. so while people are happy, i think that we have to be looking beyond just the immediate looking to the future and asking ourselves whether we want to see this repeat again, or whether the world is actually going to do something to make sure that the house didn't answer finally, 3 more of a instead of a, one of the things about this deal is that is causing a lot of control the seat within israel itself. the hard right for rights politicians seemingly against the seatbar deal, particularly the 2nd phase they say is off, should go to war against this. still plenty of time for this deal to be scuffled,
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right? yeah, so the far right is explicitly against the deal and is threatening to top of the coalition on the can you out does have a majority that he needs in the cabinet and in the capacity the parliament to pass the deal. the question is, if they will actually quit the coalition, i have been putting my bet on the fact that they won't because while in power they have done extraordinary a, you know, disruptive measures in the west bank to the israel police and they have achieved a lot of things that they want to achieve against the palestinians and for a greater israel and small to reach the finance minister is pulling quite badly. so if he leaves the coalition, his alternative is not great at the same time, this is threatening so and it's and you, i was not on the corner because as far as i can tell, the deal is done. but he might not have a coalition of the other side of this, and i think he will do everything in his power to try to promise them the things that they will be able to get under a trumpet administration if they stay. but we are now almost 4 pm i'm, it is ro, the cabinet and government are suppose to pass the deal. procedurally it officially
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here today, so that it can take into effect sunday and he still hasn't done so and there's been radio silence maintenance in yahoo. since the deal was announced last night, but let me bring you in here. one of the interesting things about this deal is the us president joe biden, the outgoing one, saying that this was the same deal, but was he presented that was rejected by netanyahu? but then we have trump saying i made this deal, i made this deal happen. is there a back room deal that's been done between that and yahoo and trump is go to display stage? do you think, i well, this suddenly speculation the some form of incentives which lives in a perfectly normal in any kind of see sign, negotiate action as we well know from northern ireland and from all the sea spots and israel palestine. so there's definitely speculation the forms of incentives have been offered to net 10. yahoo! and that could include from the trump administration agree, no,
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i told him of amex ational pipe posted in the entire tree oral type, siri entire tree. and also that signaling that may be things like functions that have been put against this race that close in the west by the, by an administration will be rescinded by the new secretary of state montgomery via donna if there is a background deal. and if it is the attic station of the occupied westbank attic station, those who are entire treat settlers being allowed to continue the way they are behaving in the occupied westbank that doesn't bode fight a longer peace deal. or in fact, scope is a, can i a longer piece deal is acceptable and certainly not. and i think that we have to be very careful in presenting this as, as some sort of trump achievement. it is correct that this is the same agreement
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that was presented back in may, and it's the same structure of the agreement of the same agreement back in march of 2024. and the same structure is in november of 2023. that be and it's clear that this could have ended with a simple phone call by president, but, but instead he funded it at the same time, i think we have to be very cautious and saying that this is somehow trump working his working his magic because what we do knows that this isn't going to be without real work. the trump is going to reward israel. and the idea that somehow a state that has been genocide of has perpetrated genocide for over 15 months is going to be rewarded. is obviously very troublesome. this is where it becomes very important for the rest of the world to step to and to actually make clear that genocide is not acceptable. that colonialism is not acceptable. and we already have some decisions by the international court of justice saying that the world now must
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act. so the idea that the, the trump is going to give away pals, city and territory, and that this is going to be accepted is obviously false. and it's up to the world now to put into place measures to make sure that that does not happen. well, the world has been when the world has filed, let's be honest when it comes to putting pressure on is really a politicians domestically, as well as been able to withstand the pressure just because the americans are backing them. is that any thing international community can do if this indeed is a potential deal this i'd like section, i mean, you know, 1st of all, my analysis is that as an yahoo specifically isn't necessarily interested in for melodic station because he's able to push through to fax to an explanation without dealing with any of the legal consequences for a very, very long time. and so i'm not sure that's necessarily the route that he would choose to take, certainly the far right wants that. but you know, the ceasefire, which is already full of loopholes and already may not see the full fruition to the
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end, which would include the, the ability for gaza to, to be rehabilitated and re construct. i mean, it will, it is already shaky and for it to have any hope actually leading to a political horizon for palestinians and security for both costs and isn't, is realized in the international community, which is, you know, not just the us, but the, your, the, your opinion and others, and some of whom have tried and not in the west and the global. so would have to hold israel to account. and that has not happened yet. if they want to see this through. and if trump specifically has, who has put some political capital now into closing this deal, if he wants it to not fall apart quickly, he's going to have to visit ministration. are going to have to do a lot to make sure that it stay is, and i'm not sure i see that happening at the same time. you know, this, you know, really weird situation in which trump the knob i are the ones to that is the one to kind of close this deal. and so what, what are his expectations of nothing. yeah. and even in this transactional
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agreement that they might have orchestrated missing, yahoo is in a very precarious situation. so again, like the, the, the likelihood is that this deal will not actually stay the course and it will be provided for everybody involved. but if the international community doesn't wanna go back to the same place that we've been in for the last 15 months, it's going to have to start. the whole thing is real to account. for example, it could respect the arrest warrant. it's a by the i c, j 4 and it's in yahoo and former defense minister. and it could it system me as it's of the season in gaza permanently. and it could help palestinians reach a point where they can politically renew and start election process and all the things that they are not able to do at this point. so that but mr. beverly i was speaking to one of the former senior people in the occupied palestinian territory is united nations official. and he said to me, off the record, this isn't the best deal,
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but it's the deal that we can get. but he's fully expecting it to fail. do you think that is the expectation generally that this is a deal that we'll file? well, look, i think anybody who's ever been involved in mediation on negotiations because the squad little piece deals be they know an island south of covering the release expects fadia. and that's why process is a very boring mechanisms of monitoring and verification, timing of 5 around. so to negotiation and the things that are out the participants have been addressing, which is international pressure and international will, will be very, very important. and that we sure right now, the current, the current agreement, at least we can say that for 42 days month think this is very important. and i post the remarks of a mile from there about at least for $42.00 days. there is some dilemma of her for
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every palestinian living in gauze in the west bank in east jerusalem and for his radius whose families have been held hostage since. alt type of the 7 we shouldn't squander about how we should as an international community, as diplomats and international organizations. we should continue to marshall efforts to show off the cx, 5 process. so the, off the, the $42.00 days we can get to phase 2 and on a palm and a cease fire sustainable the spot which he can well open up the gates for the next stage, which would be the recovery and rehabilitation of the dos and stress now we do know that the scientists are leading the global alliance on the implementation of the 2 states. they show along with the you know, way and they were meeting yesterday out of coats out of your reading. there will be a, a t play or even though at the moment it is to be on the periphery of the, the mediation that took place and tell them how to reach the currency spot
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arrangements. let me bring in dire and a head diana, i want to talk about these negotiations with palestinian points of view. you've talked about this before, that it's almost comes, it's almost a universal truth. but whenever the palestinians negotiate, they are often negotiating under pressure from the position of weakness and israel is leading the charge as it was. but now we have a genocide in gaza. has that put pressure on these release to soften that position or what they just go hard and do you have any face in these negotiations be led by saudi arabia? they're taking place in north? no, i have no facing them whatsoever. and the reason i have no faith is because of the fundamental power balance. the reason that house to the ends are always on the weaker side is because they're living under is really military rule. and what that means is that israel can call the shots, they can call the shots of how our daily lives our lives. and unless there is
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a 3rd party to actually put pressure on israel to end its military occupation, then it's always going to be a situation which there's a power and balance. now, the fundamental problem here is that nobody wants to do this. and over the course of the past 15 months, rather than israel is looking in where it's insane, how was that we got to this position. and maybe we have to give up this idea of perpetual war and perpetual control. and this mentality that the only way that we can be said is it posted is our on site instead of them doing that, they've double down. so i fully expect and you already see it in this agreement, that they're going to be even greater elements of israel trying to control palestinians everything from how many trucks come in, what types of trucks, who's allowed to monitor it, was allowed to leave it be this is precisely what israel has always been doing and unless there is a, a shift,
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a fundamental shift and mentality of one that use that policy is have a right to live freely and independently without israel. then. then i'm afraid that we're going to be back in the same position over and over again. more of it's a, it's an opinion that i've heard over and over when i've been in israel when i've been in palestine, where people say, these riley's just want us palestinians to be happily occupied. they don't want us to kick up a fuss or do anything him do anything that will work that particular but, and it's always been very, very successful occupying the palestinians. there's no inputs has, but his relative change in any way it's strategy of simply subjugating the policy means there's no pressure to it, right? no, there's no pressure, but i do think that the october 7th attacks are you know, a good illustration of, of why it's not actually a tenable,
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it might have been stable, but ultimately there is a price to pay for continuing to be an occupying power. and now after 15 months, israel is warranted for war crimes is rarely, soldiers are trying to be, you know, being betrayed or arrested. a broad, unfortunately. and it's in the auto himself has not yet had to pay a price politically or internationally. but it is individual is rarely as ours are, and we'll start to pay that price is rarely think about where they travel they're gonna have to, as soldiers are gonna have to think twice about what they're posting on line. if there's, there's going to be changes and how is really, is understand the way they interact with the world. and so, you know, ideally the people in charge would be held to account 1st. but the way this process is starting, it's starting from, from the individual is really and, you know, i, i'm hoping that the trauma of october 7, the lack of faith in this government. the fact that there is a real tension between the military, which as you alluded to, wants to have
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a kind of enlightened unhappy occupation and a political echelon at once full on annexation. that out of that is really is who have been displaced from the north of israel, from the south. a visitor of who walk this hostage deal and see that this government is working to under mine, is that they will start to change their political behavior and their voting patterns. it might take a long time. but at some point, and i, you know, i think everybody sees that these recalls objective in gaza with all of the military that it's pushed into destruction that it's cause has not brought israel any closer to removing a mouse from power or providing a real security. so hopefully as early as will start to realize that beverly and you'll dealings with these readings and you'll dealing with the palestinians, have you should noted a shift in these readings attitude. have they become weak up because of the genocide going on and goes up or is that the same idea that we are in charge and we are strong still provides a fuzzy kind of role. what we see from is around particularly its politically
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stopped us from the backs top by, you know, very strong public social media and media narratives. the, they dis, height, the calamity. and despite the show that we've visited on them on october the 7th. and that's my ref. pointing to that will not mention time. so you know, the old usage of the phrase, but is where i would always be. so i feel we feel goals we occupied for the purpose of this rel, security defined the fact that that was literally blowing the postal code. but the 7, well we see is that israel come remain intransigent and can remain and trust him because the international community, specifically the us, whether it's the by the administration or full coming, coming from administration. it literally encourage them to do so from the to do so. politically and it so much that we support them to do so, so that in itself is sufficient for it to remain. richard to remain on yielding,
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which is why it's so difficult to get to sessions that was so important. compromised some concessions, which is so important. and in any negotiation, in any mediation process on a dial to reduce wireless manage finance, achieve a c spot and, and eventually achieve peace with a 2 state solution where both the palestinian people i'm just really is kind of literally live in peace side by side database or as all of this was going on in gaza, it was getting worse in the occupied westbank. there was a rule that was often unseen, unheard of by the international community going on. his route was arresting by the thousands people rating refugee camps. it was killing people on the west industrial scale when it came to the occupied west bank. where is the palestinian authority in all of this? they've come under
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a tremendous amount of criticism when it comes to jeanine refugee camp for example . and facilitating his way the rates that and where's the occupied westbank and opinion all of this now? i think it's important to keep in mind what is real done over this period, which is not just of the rates, but also killing and also to be taking over a palestinian land. they've expropriate more land in the course of the past 15 months and they have been 20 years. and when it comes to the policy and i'm just sorting where they are, where they are. the house mean a story. we should really simply understand it as being no greater in power then, then a local mirror and rather than i'm standing up and pushing and, and demanding to the end to this genocide and trying to support l. c. and we've seen that the housing authority has stopped back and done nothing on the, on the best case scenario. and in a worst case scenario is actually going after people in geneva as well. it just shows just how the 2 are connected,
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how israel is so connected to the policy. yes already. and as i know there's a said in the past, the housing authority is no better than israel security, subcontractor, which means that it's carrying out the work that israel demands that it carry out. and this is because it's also the reply at the request of the international community. we must break this mindset because somehow hausteen's are a security problem or a security threat. and instead be addressing the fundamental issue which is the lack of palestinian freedom. and once we put into place measures to make sure the policies are free, so we won't be having this conversation about a post to me a story that is, that is doing nothing to support dispute a very quick photo of diana because you've made a very interesting point is it been time for the palestinian authority to disband and we go back to the pa, this fine liberation organization or resistance movement. is that what you're saying? for a long time and others have been talking about just dismantling the palestinian
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authority because it's, it's overstate. it's welcome. it was really only designed to be in, in place for a short period of time for 5 years, and then to be replaced by a permit posted in government that's elected. the end of this month. my hood, i bass will have been in power for 20 years. he was, he was elected for 4, and that's it. and unless we, we go down the path of not looking at just the policy and authority as limited in jurisdiction, limited in the places to which it can operate. but instead, transform it into a government that's representative of all palestinians. and that is pushing for liberation for independence of all palestinians and their land. then i'm afraid that we're going to be stuck in the same circle over and over again. i want to thank all guess, dinah, be to my right. it was only seen and beverly milton edwards and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out. is
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the seventy's in the politics the so i'm sammy's a down in dow. how was that? look at the headlines here and i'll just say or is ready, falls is all still kidding palestinians across golf. so in any 2 days off to agreeing to receive solid deal. funeral prize have been held in con eunice off to the lights. it's is righty attacks and the south the strip is ready forces have killed at least a $101.00 palestinian since the deal was announced on wednesday. most of the victims of women and children. the 1st stage of the seas 5 between israel and how may i assist you to take effect on sunday thought a cab. i assume it pulls from the latest attacks.

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