this technology, this test is on a captive palestinian population, then marketed around the globe, the palestine, the borrower tree coming soon on his jersey to the goal is to satisfy deal backed by him to us the u. s. and government's world wide about implementing it will mean overcoming major obstacles. what are the challenges and what's needed from each side? this isn't side story. the hello welcome to the program. i mean we're on con, the last total has been the wait for israel to inc. a goes us east by deal one that's been agreed by everyone else from us. the us and his role is west and highlights to the un and government's world wide. well is ready. politicians global

. it's military continue to kill with the, for us to more like the start to milwaukee and as possible. and under the phase deals, how masses to free is ready, captives, and exchange policy and even prisoners goals. and we'll get to martin's hearing aid . and these people will be allowed to return to their homes, or at least what's left of them, but in a place bowman to desolation. how can this be achieved? and who will oversee the implementation of the agreement? will hit from our panel in a few moments, but 1st this report from a call soon, sharif 15 months of is really extra life and rates have delta state because the many of the palestinians displace from the homes still want to return. and the 3 state ceasefire is due to come into effect on january, the 19th during the 1st 6 weeks phase is read has agreed to bucket streams to the

outskirts of district, allowing people to travel freely, often during months of unimaginable. however, many i'm looking forward to reading writing with that families within the national have a vision for where they i wish i hope to see my loved ones and brothers and return to my home. even though it's been boomed, we will return to a land. it is enough, desperately needed humanitarian aid was slowing to gauze during this phase 600 trucks a day. do you want to track these of accuses one of obstructing a delta v 's and the pulse by delink trucks at inspection, check for an attack and convoys. the transportation of live saving supplies is further complicated, but as well as relentless strikes, which have destroyed drugs, and the rough fios of mo, looting, again for pat trucks in november, forcing the united nations to call to tell patients. you in chief, antonio gutierrez, has called for any security obstacles to be removed. a few minutes. adrian

situation is a, gets us to all seek levels and they called on all parties to facilitate the rapids . and in that it's and safe humanitarian relief for all civilians. he needs it as well. families of the captains have been gone south of released, but anxious. mazda is to release them in stages. $33.00, initially, in exchange for to 1000 palestinian prison is going to be happy. just the going to be the just whatever the season was for the 1st thing the florida sees around. i don't know the situation of, of all the hostages. i don't know if all for my cousin is to the live on the other . still the own government jeopardize the dean. i'm afraid that the, our government especially on the front 4 miles of the the there were do something

wrong to stop the agreements. us president joe biden propose the ceasefire. d in may last year. but despite intense negotiations come off and is rather unable to reach an agreement, a failure that's cost more palestinian. nice it 8 months since. it's really a tax give $10000.00 palestinians, taking the debt to from the rule, to nearly $47000.00. and the consumption entre seizure for inside student that's bringing out guess joining us from london is andrew is craig an associate professor at the school of security studies at kings college london in tel. aviv is you'll see. belen is a form that is where the cabinet minister, who initiated deals with a piece of process in 1992. i think the hot tumbler concludes, who is an associate professor at the doha institute for graduate studies and the

offer of delivering aid without going meant a book about the reconstruction of the gaza strip. welcome to old. i'd like to start in tel aviv with a you'll see by then you'll see this is a phased deal. i phased agreements that will take place over various a several months. but a phase deal is only certainly going to fail at some point is they still designed to file i hope not, you are right to get the phase the is a much, was then a, a deal which can be, are in between them and good at the thought this a preferred a phase the d. a. i don't understand exactly the evasions on both sides. a but a, this is now the situation. this is the agreement that we have and we should do the, the best day in order to assure that to do their implemented and not the breached.

let me come to time or i and they'll have time or you write a book about delivering aid into goals at the rich reconstruction of the goals and strip that's part of the deal. but there is no way that anybody could have foreseen the sheer amount of damage the israel has ruled on the goal is a strip. this is going to be a decades long process and kind of think might well be able to begin in the phase deal. but because it will, it won't be completed or. busy i'm done it, i mean, the true, i mean 3 out of him does a very good in by being the, we're talking about the estimates of between $50000000000.00 to $80000000000.00. uh uh we're talking about the, the gates to come forward. does that pretty coverage? uh, not in terms of infrastructure or a. uh, i mean environment sense. i mean, it does the environment, the ecosystem has been depleted and it declares the case,

but it covers um, its a very goodly out of the uh, the many questions also who's gonna pay this bill? i mean, the donors community, or, i mean, we know, i mean the, the globe, the donors are facing good, what we call a donut, strategic, you know, with all of these conflicts going around and you put in the, now the middle east. and most importantly, even if there is a way to find us because the, the construction of lens. uh uh, i mean, i mean the music loud is guarantee is now in a short and says that the, these a funds that will go to the construction would not be wasted again and continue in a continuous that can afford. so what i'm trying to say is stability is almost this time and, and, and for me it's not clear yet. i mean the, how is this, the construction process is gonna kick off. because, again, in the, at the politically we live in a mess. i mean done substitutions them,

but it must see we see them better because of this a to saying they wouldn't be in order construction as long as a message impala or a control of that, that. but at the same time, definitely we should think what time us, because how much the book go away. so tell me if i want to, you've made some very good points that we have. we have time to get into the bowl by one of bringing address. hey, andreas, you've seen the deal. we've all seen the deal. it's a phase the deal. what the pitfalls that you see? the most obvious ones. where could this fail quickly, or is it gonna fall off to the 1st titled off to the 1st phase? so i mean, it's not always why both parties went to the face, the only because they're still, i'm diametrically imposed uh you know, the science of the device. and they have done that to be opposed to objective so that this kind of deal is as good as a guess. i'm, but that's the honesty, i mean for the, for, for now this is a hostage, a hosted slash president exchange deal. this is not as the final deal. there will

be a truce attached to the exchange of princes. but if you look at the rep for it, if you look at the 10 particular on the side of israel, that is really government. there is no reason to, to bring the more to that. and there are quite a lot of stepping stones along the way. if you get the greatest concession, i think that how much is made. oh, you know, really law some of the deal going to be headed. the 1st instance is that they have long as got to remain within the gaza strip. so we haven't been faced withdrawal. but in phase one is the we don't even have yet a phase one is the will remain within, especially within the next summer in cordele. and if you then look at phase 2, which is extremely and big was already even then, israel has a lot of sort of leave it as it can use to. roommate certainly doesn't bring the whole to mass per se, is kind of crazy. sitting a window. busy to for the exchange all products and those are nice thing that as well is talk to the delivery of humanitarian aid. and here's another issue. you might turn 8, can be pulled into the gun and strip,

but how it will be distribution, how it will be secure without ignore. it wasn't on the ground. the question marks, and if, if one of the deliverable is too much air right. and it wouldn't be delivered well, how much just stop the video and stop the exchange of prisoners because might be that's how the dealer november 2023 eventually came to that. and so, you know, ultimately optimism is great. but let's be honest. i mean, this is a 1st phase and we have no bridge into face to yet, as you'll see, let me bring you in here. one of the problems with this deal, why was so difficult to get in the 1st place was internal is riley politics. the far right minister has been good there and that was all smart trades. opposed to this deal completely. they all still are forced to be reckoned with and his ready politics and they looking for the war to continue. how much pressure was that putting on benjamin netanyahu department of stuff a much less than before. i mean,

they eventually, before they, they will greet to come and been feeling sense just said few days ago that he was the one who prevented a agreements from a being a signed in the past. a now, according to his promise, he is going to resign once the government improves the meaning in, in an hour or less. a switch between us is a great relief for many of us. so a, he would not be in the government. a is a, a veto, and the, and the, the government. so the one hand has a majority, but the doesn't need the majority because the position, we know how to leap supple to any d is including, of course, the got the car in the. so 1st of all, the then government, it will easily a, implement the dose, i need to him a and, and this change of prison. those and hosted just will,

will happen or that from sunday on for the future it might be more difficult to fully done. you know, a 200 disclosure session and the, the adult position we gave him, i, i presume so a a safety list. and so that is not going to do for me. and this is the current situation. maybe we can make it easier for him. a to accept the deal, but i think that the, the drop effect all a blank, the very bottom drawer drop is going seen to a by a make any out as a very close friend. and a, it is peak is difficult to say no to a friend to, let's bring in tom or head teller. it's difficult to say no to a find the specs of donald trump over this deal has been very, very large. i mean, he has said himself, we got this deal. this is the exact same deal to bite and had put forward. couldn't

get it. what is trump promised? do you think to netanyahu? and is it the arctic station to the occupied west? back the uh, i'm gonna, i mean the completely, we really don't know what, what trump is promising. nothing. yeah. whole. but in reality we see that there is a major map that is changing in the middle east, starting from us. uh uh, ending up with uh they've been on and syria and we don't know the snowboard with, with, with it and exactly. we know where they're on that is that on. yeah. and also fax, the yeah. many fax it as well. uh, i think, i think, i mean in my opinion, i mean i think this, this, this nobody will continue mode of this because obviously the where the drum. uh and the nothing. yeah. oh, i agree that there is, there is a need to be a change across the exchange and that agent. uh, and i think the trump is,

in my opinion, is willing to have nothing you know, in achieving his bowl is more of this. but the thing is, what has the has i think we're where the 2 of them disagree is that as, as the warning, the got, the has exhausted itself under. there's no strategic goals, any with the goals. so the only the only way to in the conflict and that's the restore, the political process between the citizens ladies goes to the invitations and i think this is where i think this would be the mapping of that. that might be an american proposal that they've been pick ups up and met. busy does not the per se satisfied the for the students nor days of age, but saw something would be, would come up on the table for discussion. so one, because the really the other sickly admittedly. i mean, i mean, but it's nothing more that people can kind of cheap them because the destroying come out as has been to be a mess. the students,

i'm not blowing any live will totally pick up on that plan. let me pick up on that point. yeah, andre is going to come to you in just a 2nd, but you'll see what we're talking about is a very, very difficult set of negotiations with this time around the americans. and donald trump is a deciding factor almost. where is the, the us as well relationship posted by the way, i think is right now, is it stronger? it's elizabeth payment to, to judge. i think that the drug is not a comfortable in order to have the money of, to fulfill his dreams. he may be a soft total in the whole, not necessarily be self stuff, but he may help you in one of the. but then, you know, in the bus was, well, was afraid that even if the other side breeches the agreement, the americans were not to agree to back easy way in retaliation and read then the, the easy way, you know,

well it's something up and here's something happened though, don't think that the aid so quickly because it would destroy the whole structure and fell into the you got from a drummed a drum is going we shape that was a he is convinced that how much is breaching that agreement. he, we back easy way in retaliation. now this is the most a, i would say difficult point in the whole story. because as you said before, the extreme right, a is make very much of gains stopping the wall. wanted very much to get to, to be sure that the, if there is some breach a is a, will get back to the wall and they, if keith date and then the ben hill is between the extreme right. and between a, the trump, i believe that this time it would be more worried about the american side then

about today, extreme. or i can usually hundreds. i wanna bring you in here. that is an element to all of this, of robbing peter to pay paul, you go to the sci fi deal and go, that is going to be implemented as these phase $1.00 seems like it's going to happen. but the occupied westbank. there's still a war going on that the fear is that the, these ratings will shift that focus even more to the occupied westbank. what will that mean? generally speaking for any sci fi deal going forward in any other phases, or what do you think the 2 things all fairly separate the total of separatists. i mean, we face these really have been so occupied with hamas and java and they would fine to call and leave the car to leave someone separate. what happens in the west bank of the patient, the west by that oh, they sort of portion that happened in the western over years. and using is that pricing based on what happened in y'all's original z. you cannot do that. and so eventually, and that's why i think the long term, if you want peace in,

in golf and if you want to go from phase 3, which is about reconstruction, which is about setting up a political, social, political, sort of, uh, searching for the pull of guidance in, in, in, in, got in java, if you want to get to this point, you need to h, essentially a situation which means at least we'll have a pause, which was part of thing and self determination. and the hosting itself determination in this context also means that the situation and the westbound company may, was that they actively have to work towards some sort of political solution there as well. because phase 3 is really premise on this to happen, and that's why and so estimates think about this deal have to be implemented, bringing this to and, and bring this one to the end because it's will eventually mean you have to get these in the west side that is also the economy of foundational based on what's the

gulf states. for example, we'll come in bring money into the as well as well as potentially setting up a social, political, you know, governance mechanism within, within tossed on. even saudi normalization is partners on them making progress and these really is making progress in opening a road to a 1000 instead of in the west by tomorrow britain unit and the 2nd. but you'll see you in the occupation, you build a palestinian state, and all of this just goes away. it's something that you tried to do in 1992 with those low codes that was supposed to be the framework for a future piece. they'll, supposedly it has failed. let's be honest. it's a, it's really not really being implemented is the a new way forward. at the end of all of this, in my view day, there is a way, a new way for and the new way forward should to be into stand solution based on the 67 k boldest reach a we to a mutual, a land swaps kinda in a brenda, often easily,

but it's pinion configuration. so i think that that might help, hey, a is rarely a decision making a to understand that they can leave their westbank even though some of the a, the simplest would remained. but they would remain on the police didn't room and they, it wouldn't be an end of the a also under the umbrella of the configuration. and i think that if we do something like that and the same number of bodies, because it gives us we'd be allowed to come to the leaving is way as residents, as, as spend the money in residence. and these are alias we leave as well. my name's residential and it, but it's being inside. i think that this may solve the problem because as it was said before, the number of the settlers is a is big. i mean, it is now organ or into with been confir meily on. if you a to a day it is 0,

isn't letting me it gives more than 200 a 1000 a and they, although some of them all, most of them a will be a next to easily ne, very smaller area. a. i think that for the, for the rest of the image would be very difficult to convince any is rarely, if you'll jump, i mean is the who would want. what would like to have peace with the police doing? is it to evacuate them? so the, the umbrella offical, ventilation may help us solve the problem. and we have the little do it. is you said just now. i mean about it they, they sold. yeah. maybe i about a, the, the amy rates and the bottom the united states is a, is a mr. trump wants to get to know the piece noble prize. let him get it and go for it. the ultimate lot, you'll see you saying sounds perfectly reasonable, but reality is, is the israel is an incredibly right wing country right now and getting any kind

of permanent solution is just impossible. i. i don't think it's impossible that that is and it's a nation and well, especially on american well, again i, uh, well, i agree with the, the, with the, with the you'll see is the text that i need. and if, if there is anything trump, uh, i can also do to and this conflict and i believe up this, this no, been the legacy for them. i think it's, it's all welcome, but i think again, whether it's from or someone else to the american fact that it's very important the us has to, to look at this complex strategically. meaning that we see all these thought about as ation waves, most important, relevant thought of countries have already been normalized, but these are the only company that is remaining. guess i'll do it a bit more of this, which is the key and influential country. and that agent,

so my, my question if solve the bad normalizes then, then what we see is at the end of the book, which is literally in bed with the us economically, politically, etc. so, so is it right in this sense, if it does not change its be, but an end more or less conflict with the but as being in reach to adjust the scene, it would also become a liability. and somehow, somehow to the us, a message over to the americans as well. because so far isn't, has been justifying this conflict, that extension of land uh, as an essential trip. but if they bought a vision of more or less acceptance or and think that this is accepting, is what i had as a country as a need. but then why not print the scene of conflict? i think this is, this would be a critical point that to create the conjunction if we get to this point, what is the advice that they couldn't even follow the time and i can get it uh right away. yeah, yeah, i'm gonna bring it in contrast address. you've got to get

a point where the international community has the will to get the palestinian state to. that's what all i guess. so you seem to be saying, but that international little coalition building isn't as easy as saying, well, saturday, no licensed with israel, and that's the final obstacle, or is it or is it, is that simple? it's not by agreeing with the previous because the g o was to get these relative to anything is us prussia and it costs down to whoever sits in the y 1000. the wording is of that president to make the less and put the necessary pressure on israel. and i think that's the massive black and white difference that we've seen between button and budget and his version of the trauma and destruction. i think i want to, so i want to say that there was agency, i mean, number one, we do need the policy and it's have to solve their own leadership issues. i mean that, that is also part of this is not an external sort of thing of the dress for me against the colorado the students need to. so there are differences internally. secondly,

i think the ad will have a new role to play and is the west side of the trump will not lead a strategy because that's not what the problem is interested in. the lobby does not a mandate to solve peace or to bring peace to the police. but i think what is important is the goals normally the you a cost on saudi arabia of extensive networks in washington extreme. but he's in an instance into most of the key brokers. all that drum administration will play a role in the releasing pony of weird call. and i think this leverage this influenced. it goes deeper than is really networks in washington. as the gulf countries were coming together actually bringing a particular proposal on delivering and putting on the table, putting pressure on trunk to deliver and put pressure, and then that will nothing on whether it's going to be present as soon as you go into that deal, it could be done, i'm quite optimistic about this. the goal fest extreme agency and a lot of power as well. the only issue is they are still not a search is enough to,

to kind of use that leverage there waiting for america to take the lead of us is not going to take the lead on anything start from was to mess was voted in on a domestic agenda and so we need regional leadership in conjunction with testing needed. we need to find a tentative to tap out and come up on the ground and the whole time i want to come to ya see for funnel, for, you'll see this is a phase dale. we talked about the fact the phase deals all wrong. it all most designed to fail. how far do you think this cease by agreement will get to will that get to reconstruction? will it get to people being able to return back to the destroy times? we will have to bring it with day floyd stuff such as the do not be seen blue. but as we all said before, it is now in the hands of the americans to monique tool. and to show that the nobody's playing games with them on both sides and that they, this a very important agreement is implemented. and then then i think that many of the

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