to the enemy, traumatized by the vietnam war were united with a friend to rescue his life from his fellow soldiers, fifties on the price of products. you don't realize that until experience an epic tale of friendship. sacrifice has entered covers with nice volunteers on outreach. their goal is to satisfy deal backed by him as the u. s. and government's world wide about implementing it will mean overcoming major obstacles. what are the challenges and what's needed from each side? this is a side story. the hello welcome to the program. i mean bronco on the last title has been the way to

israel to inc. a goes to cease by deal. one that's been agreed by everyone else from a mass, the u. s. and as well as western allies to the un and government's world wide. well is ready politicians global, it's military, continue to kill with the for us to be more like the starts. i'm a little that is possible and under the phase they'll come ass is to free is where the captives in exchange for palestinian prisoners gauze. and we'll get to martin's hearing aid, and his people will be allowed to return to their homes, or at least what's left of them. but in a place at bottom to desolation. how can this be achieved and who will oversee the implementation of the agreement? will hit from our panel in a few moments, but 1st this report from a co soon sharif 15 months of is really s twice and rates have depth of state because the many of the palestinians displace from the homes still one to the time when the 3 state ceasefire is due to

come into effect on january the 19th. during the 1st 6 weeks, phase is read has agreed to pull back its troops to the outskirts of district. allowing people to travel freely, often during months of unimaginable, however many and looking forward to reunite things with that. families shall have a vision for what they. i wish i hope to see my loved ones and brothers and return to my home. even though it's been boomed, we will return to a land. it is enough, desperately needed humanity, aid was slowing to gauze during this phase 600 trucks a day. do you want to track these of accuse? this was a foot shopping a delta v, as in the pulse by delink trucks, up inspection, check for an attack and convoys. the transportation of live saving supplies for the complicated but as well as relentless strikes which have destroyed fruits. and the rough fios of mo, looting, again, for pet trucks in november,

forcing the united nations to call to tell patients to you in chief antonio good to this has called for any security obstacles to be removed. the military and situation is a catastrophic levels. and they called on all parties to facilitate the rep. it's an, in that it's, and safe, humanitarian, the lease for all civilians the needs in as well. families of the captains have been gone south of relief, but anxious. mazda is to release them in stages. $33.00 initially in exchange for to 1000 palestinian prisoners are going to be happy just and going to be leaving. just what if i'm going to see that much disease or the 1st thing the border is around. we don't know the situation of, of all the hostages. i don't know if all for my cousin is to live on the other

steer the own government, jeopardize the dean. i'm afraid that the, our government, the especially on the front 4 miles of the the, the, there were do something wrong to stop the, the agreement. us president joe biden proposed the ceasefire. d in may last year. but despite intense negotiations, i'm all said is rather unable to reach an agreement. a failure that's cost more of a senior, nice it 8 months since. it's really a tax give $10000.00 palestinians, taking the debt to from the rule, to nearly $47000.00. on the consumption entre 0 for inside students that spring, you know, guess joining us from london is andrew is craig an associate professor at the school of security studies at kings college london. and tell of eve is you'll see, belen is a form that is where the cabinet minister, who initiated deals with

a piece of process in 1992. i think the hot tumbler concludes, who is an so ship as i saw at the doha, is the chief of graduate studies and the oldest of delivering aid with our government. a book about the reconstruction of the goals, a strip welcome to old. i'd like to start in tel aviv with you'll see about and you'll see this is a phased deal of phased agreements that will take place over various a several months. but a phase deal is only certainly going to fail at some point is they still designed to file i hope not. you are right to the phase. the is a much, was then a, a deal which can be, are in between them and good at the thought, the same preferred a phase the d. a. i don't understand exactly the evasions on both sides. a but a,

this is now the situation. this is the agreement that we have and we should do the, the best day in order to assure that to do their implemented and not the breached. let me come to time or i and they'll have time or you write a book about delivering aid into goals at the rich reconstruction of the goals and strip that's part of the deal. but there is no way that anybody could have foreseen the sheer amount of damage the israel has ruled on the goal is a strip. this is going to be a decades long process. and kind of pick might well be able to begin in the phase deal. but it car, it will, it won't be completed. and it, i mean the true, i mean 3 out of him does a very good in by being the, we're talking about the, the estimates of between $50000000000.00 to $80000000000.00. and uh, we're talking about the, the gates to come forward. does that for the coverage?

uh, not in terms of infrastructure or a. uh, i mean environment sense. i mean, it does the environment, the ecosystem has been depleted and it declares the case pretty covered. and it's, it's a very good in the out of the door. many questions also who's going to pay this bill? i mean, the donors community or what does that mean? we know, i mean, the, the globe, the donors are facing good. what we call a don't extra fee, you know, with all these conflicts going around and you put in the, now the mid to these, the, most importantly, even if there is a way to finance the, put that equals function of what is the uh, i mean, i mean that's actually music, why does guarantee is now and assurances that the, these a funds that will go to the, the construction would not be wasted, that gain and continue in a continuous that can afford. so what i'm trying to say is stability is almost this time and, and, and for me it's not clear yet. i mean the, i was this,

the construction process is going to. busy take off because again, at the politically we live in a mess, i mean done substitutions them, but it must see we see the motor cars and there's a to saying there will be an order construction as long as a mass impala for equal total. that's that. but at the same time that i've never sure think what time else because time as the book go away. so tell me if i want to, you've made some very good points that we have. we have time to get into the bowl by one of bringing andreas. hey andreas, you've seen the deal. we've all seen the deal. it's a phase the deal. what all the pitfalls that you see? the most obvious ones. where could this fail quickly, or is it gonna fall off to the 1st titled off to the 1st phase? so i mean, it's not always why both parties went to face deal because they're still on diametrically imposed uh, you know, the sides of the device. and they have done that to be opposed to objective. so

that this kind of do is as good as a guess, i'm, but that's the honesty. i mean for the, for now, this is a hostage, a hostage slash president exchange deal. this is not as the final deal. it will be a truce attached to the exchange of princes. but if you look at the rep for it, if you look at the in 10 particular on the side of israel, that is really government. there is no reason to, to bring no more to that. and there are quite a lot of stepping stones along the way. if you get the, the greatest concession, i think that how much is made. oh, you know, really law some of the deal going to be headed. the 1st instance is that they have long as got to remain within the gaza strip. so we haven't been faced withdrawal. but in phase one is the we don't even have yet a phase one is that it would remain within, especially within the next or in cordele. and if you then look at face to which is extremely and big was already, even then israel has a lot of sort of leave it as it can use to. roommate certainly doesn't bring the whole to the, as per se is kind of creating a window. busy to for the exchange,

all products and those nice thing that as well is talk to the delivery of humanitarian aid. and here's another issue. you might turn 8, can be pulled into the gun and strip, but how it will be distribution, how it will be secure without a law enforcement on the ground. the question marks and if, if one of the deliverable is you material and it wouldn't be delivered. well, how much just stop the video and stop the exchange of prisoners because might be that's how the dealer november 2023 eventually came to that. and so, you know, ultimately optimism is great. but let's be honest. i mean, this is a 1st phase, and we have no bridge into face to yet to, you know, say let me bring you in here. one of the problems with this deal, why it was so difficult to get in the 1st place was internal is riley politics. the far right minister has been good there and that is all smart tribes opposed to this deal completely. they all still are forced to be reckoned with and his right

politics and they looking for the war to continue. how much pressure was that putting on benjamin netanyahu department? and so much as them before. i mean the a bell entry before they, they will read the gun and been feeling sense just a few days ago that he was the one who prevented a agreements from a being a signed in the past. and the, the, the government, the one hand has a majority, but the doesn't need the majority because the position we know how to lead supple if any d is including of course, because the car in d. so 1st of all, the then government, it will easily a, implement the those i need to him a the end and that the exchange of prison. those and hosted just we will happen or that from sunday on for the fuel to pick might be more difficult to fully danielle a to hard disclosure session and the, the positions we gave him, i,

i presume so a a safety list. and so that is not going to do for me, and this is the current situation. maybe we can make it easier for him a to accept the deal. but i think that the, the drum affect all a blank. the very bottom drawer. drop is going see the a by a tiny out as a very close friend and a it is, it is difficult to say no to a friend to. let's bring into our heads. homer is difficult to say no to a find. the spectra of donald trump over this deal has been very, very large. i mean, he has said himself, we got this deal. this is the exact same deal to bite and had put forward, couldn't get it. what is trump promised? do you think to netanyahu? is it the next i shall do the occupied west back. uh uh,

i'm gonna, i mean, it completely. we really don't know what, what trump is promising. nothing. yeah. whole. but in reality we see that there is a major map that is changing in the mid eighties. uh, starting from us uh uh, ending up with uh they've been on and syria and we don't know the snowboard would have to wherever the end. exactly. we know where there are that is that on. yeah. and also fax, the yeah. many fax it as well. uh, i think, i think, i mean in my opinion, i mean, i think this, this, this noble, we continue mode of this because obviously where the drum and, and the nothing. yeah. oh, i agree that there is, there is a need to be a change of prospects, isn't that agent? and i think the trump is, in my opinion, is willing to have nothing you know, in achieving his goals more of this. but the thing is, what has the has,

i think we're where the 2 of them disagree is that as, as the warrant because it has exhausted itself. and there is no strategic goals, anyone to vote. so that the only the only way in the conflict and that's the restore to the political process between the citizens of eighty's goals, probably positions. and i think this is where i think this would be the mapping of that. that might be an american proposal that they've been a political step and met that does not the policy satisfy the for the students nor days of aides but saw something would be, would come up on the paper for discussion soon. because the really the other sickly admittedly, i mean, i mean, but it's nothing more that people can get up cheap and because the destroying come out as has been to be a mess the students, i'm not going anywhere. well, tell me, let me pick up on that plan. let me pick up on that point. yeah, andrea is going to come to you in just a 2nd, but you'll see what we're talking about is a very, very difficult set of negotiations with this time around the americans. and donald

trump is a deciding factor almost. where is the, the us as well relationship post, by the way, i think is right now, is it stronger? it's elizabeth payment to, to judge. i think that the drug is not the comfortable in order to have the time you know, to fulfill his dreams. he may be itself totally in the whole, not necessarily be self stuff, but he may help you in one week. but then, you know, in the bus was, well, was afraid that even if the other side breeches the agreement, the americans were not to agree to back easy way in retaliation and read then the, the easy way, you know, well, if something happened here or something happened though, don't like that, the 8 so quickly because it would destroy the whole structure. it balances, you got from a drummed

a drum is going we shape that was a he is convinced that how much is breeching de agreement. he, we back easy way in retaliation. now this is the most a, i would say difficult point in the whole story because as you said before, the extreme right is very much against stopping the will want that very much to get to, to be sure that the, if there is some breach a is a will get back to the wall and they, if keith date and, and the ben hill is between the extreme right and between a, the drums. i believe that this time he would be more worried about the american side then involved today. extreme. or i can usually hundreds, i wanna bring you in here. that is an element to all of this, of robbing peter to pay paul, you go to the sci fi deal in

a golf that is going to be implemented as these phase $1.00 seems like it's going to happen. but the occupied westbank. there's still a war going on that the fear is that the, these radius will shift the focus even more to the occupied westbank. what will that mean? generally speaking for any 65 deal going forward in any other phases or what do you think the 2 things are fairly separate? the total set for this, i mean we face these really have been so occupied with a mouse and dogs and they would fine to call and leave the car to leave someone separate. what happens in the west bank of the patient, the west bank that oh, they sort of question that happened in the west there. nobody using using is so pricing based on what happens in y'all's. and we don't see you cannot do that. and so eventually, and that's why i think the long term if you wanna piece in in golf and if you want to go to the face trinity, which is about reconstruction, which is about setting up a political, social, political sort of, uh,

associated with paul element of goblins in, in, in, in, in, got in java. if you want to get to this point, you need to create essentially a situation which leads at least what has a pop wage was parsing and self determination. and the hosting itself determination in this context also means that the situation and the westbound company may, was that they actively have to work towards some sort of political solution there as well. because phase 3 is really premise on this to happen, and that's why and so estimates think about this deal have to be implemented, bringing this to been and bring this water then because it will eventually mean you have to get these in the west side. that is also the kind of a foundational based on which the gulf states, for example, will come in bring money into the as well as well as potentially setting up a social, political, you know, governance mechanism within, within talestine even so the normalization is price on them making progress to

these ratings making progress in the opening of road to a 1000 instead of in the west by tomorrow bringing in and the 2nd. but you'll see you in the occupation, you build a palestinian state and all of this just goes away. it's something that you tried to do in 1992 with those low codes that was supposed to be the framework for a future piece they'll. it also has failed. let's be honest. it's a, it's really not really being implemented is the a new way forward. at the end of all of this, in my view day, there is a way, a new way for the new way forward should be induced and solution based on the 67 table. this reach a week to a mutual, a land swaps kinda in umbrella often easily, but it's being in configuration. so i think that that might hit hey today is rarely a decision making

a to understand that they can leave the westbank even though some of the a, the simplest would remained. but they would remain on the police damien room. and they, it wouldn't be and, and the other a also under the umbrella of the configuration. and i think that if we do something like that and the same number of bodies, because it gives us we'd be allowed to come to the leaving is way as residents, as, as been the residents. and these are alias, we leave this, but my name's residential and the police being inside. i think that this may solve the problem because as it was said before, the number of the settlers is a is big. i mean, it is now oregon, oregon to westbank, half a 1000000. if you a great day, it is 0, isn't letting me, it gives more than 200 a 1000 a. and they, although some of them all, most of them a will be a next to easily adding

a very smaller area. a, i think that full and for the rest of them, it would be very difficult to convince any is rarely, if you'll jump, i mean is the who would all what would like to have peace with the police doing? is it to evacuate them so that the, the umbrella of the confederation may help us solve the problem? and we have the little do it. is you said just no, i mean about it. they, they sold. yeah. maybe i about a, the, the amy rates and the bottom the united states is a, is a mr. trump wants to get to know the piece, no big prize. let him go to and go for a. it's a 10 minute lot. you'll see you saying sounds perfectly reasonable, but reality is, is the israel is an incredibly right when country right now and getting any kind of permanent solution is just impossible. i. i don't think it's impossible if that is a and it's a nation and when, especially an american,

well again i, uh, well, i agree with the the, with the, with the you'll see is the fact that, i mean if, if there is anything from the, uh, uh, an officer who to and this conflict and i believe up this, this no, been the legacy for them. i think it's, it's all welcome, but i think again, whether it's prompt or someone else, the, the american fact it is very important. the us has to, to look at this complex strategically, meaning that we see all these put them on as ation waives. most important, relevant data companies have all to get normalized, but these are the only company that is remaining. guess i'll do it a bit more of this, which is the key and influential country and that agent. so my, my question, if solve the bad normalizes then, then what we see is that a huge end of the blow, which is literally in bed with the us economically,

politically, etc. so, so is that right in this sense, if it does not change as b, but an end, more or less, is conflict with that, but as being in reach to adjust the new from the scene, it would also become a liability. and somehow, somehow to the us, a message over to the americans as well. because so far isn't, has been justifying this conflict, that extension of land uh as an essential threat. but if they thought of you should have more or less acceptance overhead. think that this is accepting is what i had as a country as a need, but then why not with the state of conflict? i think this is, this would be a critical point that a critical junction, if we get to this point, what is the end fi? it's that they couldn't even farther. we don't want to get a time and i can get it. uh right away. yeah. yeah, i'm gonna bring it into the address address. you got to get a point where the international community has the will to get the palestinian state to. that's what old i guess. so you seem to be saying,

but the international little coalition building isn't as easy as saying, well, so how do you know licensed with israel and that's the final obstacle, or is it or is it, is that simple? it's not by agreeing with the previous vegas. the g o was to get these route to run to anything is us prussia and it costs down to whoever sits in the y $1000.00 the waiting until that president to make the less and put the necessary pressure on israel. and i think that's the massive black and white difference that was seen between button and budget and his version of the drum and destruction. i think i was gonna say that there was agency. i mean, number one, we do need the policy and it's have to solve their own leadership issues. i mean that, that is also part of this is not an external sort of thing of the dress for me against the colorado in the past. thing is need to settle their differences in time. they. secondly, i think the world have a new role to play and is the west side of the trump will not lead a strategy because that's not what the problem is interested in. what the, the mandates to solve piece,

or to bring peace to the police. but i think what is important is the goals, know, be the you a casa, and so the rate of extensive networks in washington, extreme bodies in an instance into most of the key brokers. all of that tremendous freshman will play a role in the releasing pony. we call and i think this leverage this influenced, it goes deeper than is really networks in washington. as the gulf, countries are coming together actually bringing a particular proposal on delivering and putting on the table, putting pressure on trunk to actually deliver and put pressure. and then that will nothing on where it's going to be present as soon as you go into the deal it could be done. i'm quite optimistic about this. the goal fest extreme agency and a lot of power as well. the only issue is they are still not a search of enough to, to kind of use that thursday waiting for america to take. the lead of us is not going to take the lead on anything start from was to mess was voted in on a domestic agenda. and so we need regional leadership in conjunction with testing

needed. we need to find out tentative to tap out and how much on the ground and the time i want to come to ya see for funnel for, you'll see this is of the phase dale. we've talked about the fact the phase deals all wrong. that all most designed to fail. how far do you think this cease by agreement will get to will they get to reconstruction? will it get to people being able to return back to the destroyed homes? we will have to bring it with day floyd stuff such as the do not this the blue. but as we all said before, it is now in the hands of the americans to monique to and to show that the nobody's playing games with them on both sides. and that they, this a very important agreement is implemented. and then then i think that many of the options would it be open? how would i find gold? i guess andrea is craig. you'll see belen and tyler covered. i am thank you to for

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