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hello welcome to the program. i mean we're on con, the last little has been the weight israel to inc. a goal is to cease by deal. one that's been agreed by everyone else from us, the us and as well as western highlights to the un and government's world wide. well is ready. politicians global, it's military, continue to kill with the for us to be more like the start to milwaukee, then it's possible and under the phase, they'll come as soon as the free is ready, captives and exchange policy and even prisoners, garza will get to mountains hearing aid and it's people will be allowed to return to their homes, or at least what's left of them, but in a place at bottom to desolation. how can this be achieved and who will oversee the implementation of the agreement? well here from our panel in a few moments, but 1st this report from home a co student series, or 15 months of his ready s twice and rates have the death of state. because when many of the palestinians displays from the

homes still one to the time when the 3 state ceasefire is due to come into effect on january, the 19th during the 1st 6 week phase is read has agreed to put back its troops to the outskirts of district allowing people to travel freely, often during months of unimaginable, however, many are looking forward to reunite things with that. families within the national have a vision for where they. i was honored, i hope to see my loved ones and brothers and return to my home. even though it's been boomed, we will return to a land. it is enough, desperately needed humanitarian aid was slowing to gauze during this phase 600 trucks a day. do you want to attract these have accuse? this was a foot shopping, a delta v 's and the pulse by delink trucks at the inspection check for an attack and convoys. the transportation of live savings supplies is further complicated. but as well as relentless strikes, which have destroyed fruits and the ra fios of mo, looting the again,

so pat trucks in november, forcing the united nations to call to, to patients. you in chief, antonio gutierrez, has kohler for any security obstacles to be removed. a few minutes that in situation is that gets us to all seek levels and they called on all parties to facilitate the rep it. and in that it's and safe humanity lease for all civilians the needs in as well. families of the captains have been gone. so relieved but anxious. how mazda is to release them in stages. $33.00, initially, in exchange for to 1000 palestinian prisoners, are going to be happy just and going to be leaving. just what if i'm going to see that much disease, or the 1st thing the border is around. we don't know the situation of, of all the hostages. i don't know if all for my cousin is to live on the other

steer the own government, jeopardize the dean. i'm afraid that the, our government, the especially on the front 4 miles of the, the, the, there were do something wrong to stop the, the agreement. us president joe biden propose the ceasefire. d in may last year. but despite intense negotiations, i'm all said is rather unable to reach an agreement. a failure that's cost more palestinian lice it 8 months since. it's really a tax give $10000.00 palestinians taking the debt to, from the rule, to nearly $47000.00 on the consumption entre seizure for inside students the. so let's bring it to a guess. joining us from london is andrew is craig, an associate professor at the school of security studies at kings college london in tel. aviv is, you'll see. belen is a form that is where the cabinet minister,

who initiated deals with a piece of process in 1992. i think the hot tumbler concludes, who is an associate professor at the doha institute for graduate studies and the offer of delivering aid with our government a book about the reconstruction of the goals a strip welcome to you. oh, i'd like to start in tel aviv with a you'll see by then you'll see this is a phased deal. i phased agreements, but it will take place over various a several months. but a phase deal is only certainly going to fail at some point. is this deal designed to file i hope not. you are right to the phase. the is a much, was then a, a deal which can be, are in between put them in good at the thought. this is a preferred a phase the d a. i don't understand exactly the about the

visions on both sides a but a, this is now the situation. this is the agreement that we have and we should do the, the best day in order to assure that to do their implemented and not the breached. let me come to time or i and don't have time, or you write a book about delivering aid into goals at the rich reconstruction of the goals and strip that's part of the deal. but there is no way that anybody could have foreseen the sheer amount of damage the israel has ruled on the goal is a strip. this is going to be a decades long process. and kind of pick might well be able to begin in the phase deal. but because it will, it won't be completed. and it, i mean, the true, i mean 3 out of him does a very good in by being the, we're talking about the, the estimates of between $50000000000.00 to $80000000000.00. uh uh we're talking about the, the gates to come forward. does that pretty coverage?

uh, in terms of infrastructure or a. uh, i mean environment sense. i mean, it does the environment, the ecosystem has been depleted, and it's a quiet the case study covered. and it's, it's a very good to be out of the door. many questions also who's going to pay this bill? i mean, the donors community or what does that mean? we know, i mean, the, the globe, the donors are facing good. what we call a donuts, strategic, you know, with all these conflicts going around and you put in the, now the middle east. and most importantly, even if there is a way to find us, we put that equal selection of what does that mean? i mean, the music loud is guarantee is now and assurances that the, these a funds that will go to the, the construction would not be wasted again and continue in a continuous that can afford. so what i'm trying to say is stability is i must this time and, and,

and for me it's not clear yet. i mean there was this construction process going to . busy take off because again, at the politically we live in a mess, i mean done substitutions them, but it must see we see them better because of this a to saying they wouldn't be in order construction as long as a message impala for equal total. that's that. but at the same time that maybe sure think what time asked because how much the book go away. so tell me if i want to, you've made some very good points that we have. we have time to get into the bowl by one of bringing andreas. hey andreas, you've seen the deal. we've all seen the deal. it's a phase the deal. what, all the pitfalls that you see? the most obvious ones, where could this fail quickly, or is it gonna fall off to the 1st titled off to the 1st phase? as i mean is thought always why both parties went to face deal because they're still diametrically imposed uh, you know, the size of the device and they have done that to view poses objectives so that

this kind of deal is as good as a guess. and, but that's the honesty, i mean for the, for now, this is a hostage, a hostage slash president exchange deal. this is not as the final deal, that will be a truce attached to the exchange of princes. but if you look at the rhetoric, if you look at the intent of particular on the side of israel, that is really government. there is no reason to, to bring no more to that. and there are quite a lot of stepping stones along the way. if you do the greatest concession, i think that how much is made. oh, you know really law some of the deal going to be headed. the 1st instance is that they have long as got to remain within the gaza strip. so we haven't been faced withdrawal, but in phase one is the we don't even have yet a phase one is that it would remain within, especially within the next or in cordele. and if you then look at face to which is extremely and big was already, even then israel has a lot of sort of leave it as it can use to. roommate certainly doesn't bring the

whole to the, as per se is kind of creating a window. busy to for the exchange, all products and those. and i think that as well as talk to the delivery of humanitarian aid. and here's another issue. you might turn 8, can be pulled into the gun and strip, but how it will be distribution, how it will be secure without a law enforcement on the ground. the question marks and if, if one of the deliverable is you material and it wouldn't be delivered. well, how much just stop the video and stop the exchange of prisoners because might be that's how the dealer november 2023 eventually came to the end. so, you know, ultimate optimism is great, but let's be honest. i mean, this is a 1st phase, and we have no bridge into phase 2 yet to, you know, say let me bring you in here. one of the problems with this deal, why it was so difficult to get in the 1st place was internal is riley politics the far right minutes that has been good there, and that is all smart tribes opposed to this deal completely. they all still are

forced to be reckoned with and his right politics and they looking for the war to continue. how much pressure was that putting on benjamin netanyahu department and stuff? a much less than before. i mean, they eventually, before they, they will read to come and been feeling sense just said few days ago that he was the one who prevented a agreements from a being a signed in the past. and the government, the one hand has a majority, but he doesn't need the majority because they'll position when they all have to leave supple up any d and including golf course because the car in the so 1st of all the then government, it will easily a implement the, those i need to him a the end and that the exchange of prison, those and hosted just we will happen to or that from sunday on for the fuel to pick might be more difficult to fully done, you know,

a $200.00 disclosure session and the the adult positions we gave him, i, i presume so a a safety list. and so that is not going to do for me. and this is the current situation. maybe we can make it easier for him a to accept today the deal. but i think that the, the drum affect all a blank, the very bottom drawer. drop is considered a by a make any out. it's a very close friend. and a, it is peak is difficult to say no to a friend. let's bring in tom or ahead. homer, it's difficult to say no to find the specs of donald trump over this deal has been very, very large. i mean, he has said himself, we got this deal. this is the exact same deal to bite and had put forward, couldn't get it. what his trump promised, do you think to netanyahu? is it the next?

i shall be occupied. west back. uh uh, i'm gonna, i mean the completely, i really don't know what, what trump is promising. nothing. yeah. whole. but in reality we see that there is a major map that is changing in the mid to these uh, starting from us uh uh, ending up with uh they've been on and syria and we don't know the snowboard would have to wherever the end. exactly. we know where there are that is that on. yeah. and also fax, the yeah. many fax it as well. uh, i think, i think, i mean in my opinion, i mean i think this, this, this noble, we continue mode of this because obviously where the drum. uh and, and the nothing. yeah. oh, i agree that there is, there is a need to be a change of plastic changing that agent. uh, and i think the trump is, in my opinion, is willing to have nothing. yeah. and achieving his goals, mold us. but the thing is, what has the has,

i think were where the 2 of them disagree is that as, as the warrant because it has exhausted itself. and there is no strategic goals, anyone to vote. so that the only the only way in the conflict and that's the restore to the political process between the citizens, the eighty's goals for the positions. and i think this is where i think this would be the mapping of that. that might be an american proposal that they've been a political step and met that does not the policy satisfy the for the students nor days of age, but saw something would be, would come up on the table for discussion. so one, because the really the other sickly admittedly. i mean, i mean there's nothing more that people can kind of cheap them because the destroying how most of them to be a mess the students, i'm not blowing any live. well, tell me, let me pick up on that plan. let me pick up on that point. yeah, andrea is going to come to you in just a 2nd, but you'll see what we're talking about is a very,

very difficult set of negotiations with this time around the americans. and donald trump is a deciding factor almost. where is the, the us as well relationship post, by the way, i think is right now, is it stronger? it's elizabeth payment to, to judge. i think that the drug is not the comfortable in order to have the time you know, to fulfill his dreams. he may be a soft cuddly. m. o. not necessarily be self staff, but he may help you in one week. but then, you know, in the bus was, well, was afraid that even if the other side breeches the agreement, the americans were not to agree to back easy way in retaliation and read then the, the easy way, you know, well, if something happened here or something happened though, don't like that, the 8 so quickly because it would destroy the whole structure and fell into the you got from a drummed

a drum is going we shape that was a he is convinced that how much is breeching de agreement. he, we back ease, way in retaliation. now this is the most a, i would say difficult point in the whole story. because as you said before, the extreme right a is very much against stopping the will want that very much to get to, to be sure that the, if there is some breach a is a, will get back to the wall and they, if keith date and the ben hill is between the extreme right and between a the drums. i believe that this time he would be more worried about the american side then involved today. extreme. or i can usually hundreds. i wanna bring you in here. that is an element to all of this, of robbing peter to pay paul,

you go to the sci fi deal and go, that is going to be implemented as these phase $1.00 seems like it's going to happen. but the occupied westbank. there's still a war going on that the fear is that the, these radius will shift that focus even more to the occupied westbank. what will that mean? generally speaking for any 65 deal going forward in any other phases or what do you think the 2 things are fairly separate? the total set for this, i mean we face these really have been so occupied with a mouse and java and they would fine to call and leave the car to leave someone separate. what happens in the west bank documentation? the west bank that, oh, they sort of portion that happened in the west thing over years and using is that pricing based on what happened in y'all's original z. you cannot do that. and so eventually, and that's why i think long term if you want peace in, in government, if you want to go from phase 3, which is about reconstruction, which is about assessing up a political, social, political, sort of, uh,

associated with paul elements of goblins in, in in, in, got in java, if you want to get to this point, you need to create essentially a packing situation, which means at least we'll have a populated, was firestone and self determination. and the hosting itself determination in this context also means that the situation in the west and company may was they actively have to work towards some sort of political solution there as well. because phase 3 is really progress on this to happen. and that's why and so estimates think about this deal have to be implemented, bringing this to been and bring this one to then because it will eventually mean you have to get peace in the west side. that is also the economy of foundational based on which the gulf states, for example, will come in bringing money into the as, as well as potentially setting up a social, political, you know, governance mechanism within,

within tossed on. even so the normalization is partners on them making progress and these really is making progress in the opening of road 200000 instead of in the west by tomorrow, brittany and then the 2nd. but you'll see you in the occupation, you build a palestinian state, and all of this just goes away. it's something that you tried to do in 1992 with those low codes that was supposed to be the framework for a future piece. they'll, supposedly it has failed. let's be honest. it's a, it's really not really being implemented is the a new way forward. at the end of all of this, in my view day, there is a way, a new way for and the new way forward should to be into stand solution based on the 67, a boldest reach a week to a mutual, a land swaps kinda in a brenda often easily, but as being in configuration, i think that that might help pay a day is rarely a decision making

a to understand that they can leave the westbank even though some of the a, the simplest would remained. but they really remain on the police. damien room and they, it will be and, and the, and the a also under the umbrella of the configuration. and i think that if we do something like that and the same number of bodies, because it gives us we'd be allowed to come to the leaving is way as residents, as, as been the residents. and these are areas we leave as well. my name's residential and the police being inside. i think that this may solve the problem because as it was said before, the number of the settlers is a is big. i mean, it is now oregon, oregon to westbank, half a 1000000. if you a great day it is 0, isn't letting me it gives more than 200, a 1000 a and a although some of them all,

most of them a will be a next to easily adding a very smaller area. a. i think that for to okay, we're breaking into that program to bring you along the way to nice on the goals and it says 5 which is due to begin in the next half an hour. so in the last few minutes we've just heard from prime minister netanyahu, he says that israel will not begin to cease fire at the agreed upon time until there is a full list of captives released. now we've also had from us in the last few minutes, they say the delay in providing that list of hostages is due to technical reasons. is where the forces have already been seen withdrawing from rasa off the carrying out attacks on western northern parts of the city in the days leading up to the truce. let's see if we can get any more on this. we can go through all correspondence. stephanie deca, she's long for us in

a mind because it's wrong spend on reserve from operating inside israel. so we are hearing from both from us and from prime is missing, you know, just in the last few minutes ahead of the beginning of the ceasefire. what are you hearing? the yes. well these are the prime minister. i had already alluded to this last night. why? because under the agreement, tomas needs to give the name of the captives that it will release today. it should have done that 24 hours before the captives are ready. so essentially, yesterday that hasn't happened. so now we have confirmation from these are the prime minister's office, basically telling the army, as you said, the deceased by will not go ahead and that's due to start in the next 40 minutes or so unless they get the names from how much know how i'm asked which was also posted in his reading media with sources and now it will. so giving a statement that this is due to technical reasons. what do technical reasons mean

inside goals of what? how much doesn't communicate with a phone call? obviously, there are messengers, they are still very much aware of surveillance, even though under this agreement is role should stop surveillance for 12 hours so that how much can move to hostages inside garza to the border and hand them over. so where are we at now? it seems that those names still haven't been handed over. i think putting this into context, there is so much international pressure on both sides that still it will be very difficult to see how the ceasefire is not particularly for the 1st phase. going to go ahead, will there be some delays potentially at this point in time? i'm pretty sure that caught will be putting incredible pressure on how math, if indeed these names haven't yet been handed over. uh to do so. so this is where we're at the 11th hour. i have to say almost as usual when it comes to these kinds of things. both sides, always blaming each other for the failings,

but how mouse has reiterated it is committed to the ceasefire, and then it will have these names over as soon as they can. so yes, we're gonna have to wait and see whether that cease fire is going to come into effect in the next half an hour or 40 minutes or so. as you say, this is very in march, the 11th hour. there is so much hope so much expectation of this, these fire beginning not just in gaza, but it was so in israel just took us through the choreography. what were we expecting in the next half an hour? so as well was uh that official time starts, then the slicing needs to stop. you mentioned there that has already been some maneuvering a of the is really army away from some of the urban areas in side garza. these really army has told residents, the goal is to strip around the gold strip. these ratings and particularly like

schools, for example, just started a bit later just because they are concerned that there might be, for example of barrows, of rockets out of garza, just in that half hour ahead of what we are expecting the ceasefire to take effect . what do we expect to have? everything goes to plan. we're expecting 3 is really captives to be released today . we expect those to be women and they are civilians, not soldiers. so you're probably expecting them to be over the age of 50 or a children. and then you also have 95 promising and prisons that will be reduced by these really present services. most of these also women, most of them from the occupied west back. so later today, and i do expect this to be possibly late into the night. you will that some point, even though israel is very, very keen to keep the cameras away from the captive, they want to debrief them. and that will see move in particular will send the occupied westbank kind of thing is welcoming back prisoners, even though israel again said they don't want to have scenes of jubilation. as they

quoted, they want to make sure that this is a very low key affair. of course, that's not going to be the case and we've says in the past when there's been prisoner release is whether it was the last short term sees far whether it was during prison, his release is when they would negotiate and potential to state solution. and that's over 10 years ago that there are massive scenes of joy because a lot of prisoners are held under administrative detention. that means with no charge, and that can be renewed maternity of bite israel. so this is what we're going to expect to see today if everything goes to apply. and so i think in the next half an hour, of course we will know, potentially there could be a delay, maybe for a couple of hours, who knows, maybe even tomorrow, but there's so much writing on this. i was actually reading one of the us news reports the donald trump is very keen for the nobel peace prize. and this is, i think, not something that is out of the ordinary. this is a man who has

a big ego and this is a man who will be seen to want to be very much responsible for cheating something particularly, you know, let's start with that successful cease fire. that's not just phase one. so there's a lot of a lot writing on this, a lot of international pressure that's different from before. so even as of yesterday we were talking to when there was this sort of feeling that the name still hadn't been released before telling me we will be shocked if this cease fire doesn't go ahead. there's just too much international pressure. both sides will come to the table and do what's aust of them, even if the 11th hour has all this sort of back and forth. okay, stephanie will leave that for now. i just wanna recap uh, breaking news this out. if the view is a, just joining us in the last few minutes as well, has announced that the c spot is not going to begin without a list of captives due to be released from us. has also responded saying that delay

is in providing that list of hostages is because of technical reasons. now we don't actually know what technical reasons means. they have not explained themselves any further. in the last a few days, we've seen evidence of israeli forces withdrawing from pots of gaza from southern garza, from rossa. though attacks have continued in all the parts of the city, including west and in northern parts of gauze that in the days leading up to today . let's go back to stephanie deca. so i'm off. does not really explain stephanie, uh, what they mean by these technical reasons. of not providing uh the names the list of hostages that are due to be released. uh, why is this such a priority? the thing for the is riley prime minister. i know they have alluded to that. so they said that it's because you know how mass

doesn't communicate through normal measures if you will, picking up the phone. because of course, the reality in gauze and the surveillance that goes on. so what they're saying is that this is due to the messenger system inside garza, and we're having some kind of, uh, you know, there's some kind of an issue with it. this is according to how mass. now, under the agreement, it was, as we were just saying, how mouth needs to give. the mediators caught that particular, in this case, the names of the captives that it will, it will be releasing. today we have the, the list of captives that $33.00 captives that will be released over the course of the 1st phase that supports you 2 days. all of those names are out. it's who will be released today. we know they will be 3 women and we know they're not soldiers. so for that we can understand that they are over the ages of $54.00 minors. so this is where we're at. and of course these ready prime ministers saying, unless this isn't given to us, we're not going to go ahead with the ceasefire. now,

you can say that potentially we could maybe see a delay that the ccr is not going to take effect at $830.00 local time, which is in half an hour from now that it could be delayed by hours or maybe a day, but there is so much international pressure writing on this that most people believe that it really would be shocking if this the spar at the 11th hour fails. okay, stephanie will come back to you. i want to go to gaza and speak to honey, my food, get some reaction from darrow, by the end. central guns with honey since we last spoke. we've had this news coming in from the prime minister. it is rarely prime minister benjamin netanyahu that the sci fi will not begin without a list of the captive, said a jew to be released today. 3 women over the age of 50. we believe a any reaction yet to this news of the lien. as soon as the,

the news is started circulated among people here i just find out we, we have people who are starting to pour into the hospital and we are waiting for the moment that the ceasefire is going to take effect here. they will.