of from the versus capital london, good to happy with with chelsea. so a moment of joy for the families of those 3 captives. a moment of hope, perhaps for the families of all the captives and for the families of many palestinians hoping for the return of their loved ones. whom is where the prisons bear with me, i think be so make sure of all strings. well, 1st and foremost, really that's, you know, we saw the delay in the beginning of the 6 fire. you know, we're pretty flu cold for days. now cautiously optimistic but what it started in the day, in the way this morning, building flips in to in some so was that piece won't happen, but now the guys went silent. the 1st, the 1st stages of bag that really so will phrase. and as i know for the re stone, saying been tile to say gaming space implemented and moving to the 2nd phase

varies, but the place you know it's, it's started and it can be a little bit small, optimistic that decides for me to, to continue how optimistic all you that we will see face 3 of the still go through. we are extinguish, it's so early in the process. and we know that those who oppose disagreements or together we saw in the fall light of days at last. the coalition, right? no problem in your stomach, you know, is a very slim a majority in, in, in the classroom and the other 5 i'd say government is saying this foundation that causes that agreement. but besides that to states as a most to 2nd phase, which they'll pause the idea off and the flow. i think this will become even more

difficult of your position was supposed to, you know, as long as he proceeds with this. but then he wouldn't be afraid to lose the government and the police in order to get that. so i'm, it's the thing about this. so phase which is the end of the days is the most important one because it is an end to the, to the conflict with the vehicle. functional does not want people to engage the oldest the best buy from. oh, you might need 7 a, the beginning of the nickel instruction was you guys are, i think real estate and far from there. we'll see how things we so how, how wondering is it? when we listen, you know, to your point, when we listen to what these really minister of finance is published, saying on january the 18th fight last night quote. unfortunately, we were unable to prevent this dangerous bill. but we insisted and well able to insure through

a government decision in the cabinet and of the ways that the will would not tend in any way without achieving its full goals. foremost among the complete destruction of how mass in garza, when you hear that, that he seems to understand he's got an assurance that the what is going to go on until the destruction of how much so jovially hasn't happened because you don't sign the a deal with someone you've destroyed and how long is that? that's the war may start off. so the, you know, the ration of trump after the 1st phase goes through and somebody's ready to captive the released. and it's why i say this is really fragile. because you know, refill, referring to call, ition, the pieces that didn't match against the class, the coordination problem, stay the you know, the midst of smoke damage and released a very long switch today which follows contradiction between why you stand and why

is against it. and why does this commitment? so i oh no, i think what you saw in the last 2 weeks and this is in boston, wendy's a winning the international community. do you run that as a way, especially in washington to make things happen? they do have to be, so this was brief. we've disagreement. so now this is down to an object stand to the problem as a president to continue with this kind of issue. it's a nice and you step of the way any step in the space is going to be 4 feet by a lot, but, but he's on and by how much. and i think at the end of the day, if you learn won't be able to, to implement disagreement to the, to the left, to you to extensive. there is a, there is as opposed to disagreements in the classroom because of position subtlety and those adult m. o. m o m o the population, then he said he would have to go to new election and let the government,

if he's ready to make this at the sleigh phrase, examine the reality. all right, thank you very much, jesse michael, but that for your analysis of this very front jaw stage in the sci fi deal. now dr. mads gilbert is an emergency medicine doctor who's provided health care for over 30 years. in garza, he joins us now from no way good to have you with us. so i know you're in touch with people in gauze of 1st of all, i want to get your assessment of what sort of medical assistance has come in today to people who need it badly. well, we don't really know exactly what has passed in and as has been said the previously in your program. the most important now is of course of water, food, sanitary, stuff like so. the very basic preconditions for life, for the many families who are now returning to the origins of their homes. so the

massive effort now to get in at least $600.00 truckloads per 24 hours with food, water, and fuel is probably amount uh. as for the medical equipment, we know that the hospitals are in desperate need for a few on food and water. in addition, uh, drugs like antibiotics, there is a lot of infection, st goes on out on the statics and medical equipment to, to fix the broken arms and legs and surgical equipment. so the massive needs for all 4 of the the hospital sector has to be met until now. as you know, the is really the army. it has to be not taking out a lot of money, need the medical equipment from the a few trucks that entered let's hope that is a reverse now and that the hospitals can start to, to function at the normal level. so we know that you know, some of the medication,

for example, people desperately need full day life threatening conditions, things medicine like insulin and so on. i mean, this requires storage and special conditions, refrigeration and so on to those facilities. even still existing garza but you know, for people to send stuff in i recently spoke to them instead of having to think outside who is a better source than me to answer the question doctor used to publish. and his point is that the most important thing now is not to think that all the hospitals and all the primary health care centers are completely destroyed. they are not about half of them are actually functioning of a, a lower level. but it takes about a little repeated and a restore ment of the hospitals in order to pick up these functions like the cold chains for antibiotics and for insulin and the other functions. hospitals like

outlook saw most of and got say you to be and she for the baptist hospitals are functioning at the lower level than normal, but they will take very little to restore power spending on health care. and we need to avoid now that the international relief industry sort of take over the policy and in control of the health care system. so we have to listen to their demands their needs. and then we have to support their reconstruction. all the policy in the, in the health care system, under palestinian leadership, not to make gus off and other and do controlled community. all right, thank you so much talk to my that's good bug guy. thank you for coming and sharing your perspective. the as this is a historic day for more reasons than one,

we're just about 24 hours away from the you know, the ration of donald trump as the 47 president of the united states. so that spring him on that and cross over the dogs is there a serial vanya a and the team that in washington dc, serial family. thank you very much. so for a following your reporting very keenly from here, from our little corner of washington dc, you see the capital building right behind us. that is where donald trump tomorrow and just over 24 hours. because by the way, it's a 20 minutes to 12 noon, right? now in dc and at 12 o'clock tomorrow is when donald trump will put his left hand on a bible. he will take the oath of office that will be administered to him by the chief justice of the us supreme court. and it is at that moment that he will become, the joe biden, will cease to be the president of the united states. and the donald trump will become the 47th president of the us. and of course, the moment that happened, this is the moment the donald trump will really have his hands on the steering

wheel of what's going on in the middle east, where we know that the united states plays a major role. and in order to discuss that, i want to tap into the foreign policy expertise of our guess. we have charles corruption onset, a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations and, and it's all leaving. who's with us, the director of the razor program of the quincy institute for responsible statecraft. there were a number of crises that we had prepared to talk about major foreign policy issues on the, on the trump uh, administration's horizon in light of everything that is happening today that we want to focus on. we have to focus on guys, are your thoughts, charles, and start with you. i would know by the way that you were also working in the bomb and national security council and the clinton national security council, your thoughts and everything you've seen today. you know, i would say i have a mix of relief and hope and worry relief and hope because we're seeing pictures of hostages coming home of prisoners about to go back to their homes. people are now walking on the streets of gaza and they're not worried about a bomb falling or

a drowned strike. the violence is coming to an end, and it's at least conceivable that after this tragedy, maybe some breakthrough will emerge. it's going to take time. but the landscape has changed one kind of hope worry, because i don't know with confidence that this cease fire will turn into a durable piece that worries me, that they harvested what they could agree on, which is this swap. but they didn't agree on the big tough questions, will israel completely withdrawal. busy or where they keep a buffer zone and control of the border between egypt and gaza. will there be a plan that how mosse and israel can agree on about post governance? or is this going to fall apart and the war begin again. we don't know at this point and it's all your, your early thoughts on what we're seeing developing. but obviously, i mean, tremendous release, enjoy the killing stopped a box. i mean,

one here's from within these rarely govern from it's more extreme elements that they all determined, as indeed these way the government has with this and to achieve all the goals are federal for ation. encouraging the complete destruction of homeless. well, that doesn't go very well with a visa, with, with homeless. but of course the biggest question of ward is what pro trunk moves that'd be, what will the trump ministrations policies be? and that we just don't know. i mean, clearly he won't get to us at 865, and the present as well. before he took off that i think we can be moderately confident, but he doesn't want to new rule. but how far he will go in actually pushing pressure to restrain his robot. we just do not know what to do, cause we also a child's. a said we, we don't know what will happen to him in god's or itself. and if these rates remain

west, uh, how much will refrain from attracting it, charles, picking up on this point that donald trump probably does not want to new or it's really interesting. why do i say this? because donald trump appears belligerent. he appears bellicose. he often in his public statements sounds like he's about to pick a fight with half of the world if they don't do exactly what he wants. but at the same time, he's also saying, i don't start wars, i n wars, and i don't send troops abroad a necessarily, i don't, in fact they don't send troops abroad period, right? if i don't have to. so, so there's both of these, he's a bill of co sounds, bellicose, bellicose rhetoric, but self style is a man of peace. there is this kind of a contradiction to trump in this sense that on the one hand he is a neo isolation. his instincts are, let's tend our own garden. why is they talking about taking greenland and the panama canal, and annex and can, can i write because he, he looks at a map, he's a real estate mogul and he says, oh,

that's nice property. what are we doing in the middle east? what are we doing in ukraine? what about taiwan and so was in this thing start. busy us on the home front, but he can't. and that's because we've got wars going on in the middle of last week that was going on and ukraine. and so he is, he's looking to sort of em, these words drew bold, american leadership. you know, i think one of the lessons that we learned from the last year, year and a half of the blood shed in, in gaza and the broader middle east. the us doesn't have final say. we've seen that bite and didn't have the juice that he expected because i really think he tried to, oh well that's what i was gonna pick you up on. he didn't have it or he didn't want to use it. now i think he, you know, i think we going back to earlier administrations, obama, you know, the is really to listen to the united states, but they don't do what they're told. i think trump is going to find the same thing . not time. yeah. who wants to have a good relationship with him?

that's one of the reasons that we're talking about a ceasefire today. right? because tomorrow right there, trump will be an odd you, rather than trump said, i want this word and by noon on the 20th, that having been said, he's not going to be able to control where this now goes. and as a consequence, stay to all right gentlemen, i'm being told that i've got a hand back to do have very rapidly moving developments in israel, in gaza as the hostages have been transferred, they are now back in israel and is really and the 3 young women that i'm us had committed to releasing today, so i'm going to hand it back to our news room and don't have it there so well, thank you very much. charles gibson and it's a leaving. so your patients for coming and joining us on a cold day in washington dc and we will be talking to you again. we appreciate that the sammy is going to be back to you and don't mind a by now i'm just checking the time we are at the 24 hour and 15 minute mark before donald trump puts his hand on that bible as i was saying and becomes the 47th

president of the united states and me back to and several of you will be that to cover it for us and special coverage of that will continue with several and the team. let's take you back to the major story that we've been following. of course, today we saw the delayed implementation, but the beginning nevertheless, of the seas find deal in garza with laura and board know is an international lawyer . she joins us from paris. good to have you with us. you know, what has transpired in gaza over the last 15 months has prompted a number of legal actions in international as well as all the local jurisdictions around the world. why does this sci fi deal? leave the drive for accountability for what's been happening and gaza swell. i certainly believe there must be accountability we've watched for the last 15 months is real, commit the 1st live stream genocide,

assisted with artificial intelligence. and this accountability must be pursued whether it's before international jurisdictions like the international criminal court or before national courts, using the principles of extraterritorial jurisdiction or universal jurisdiction. i'm not, goes not just for these really leaders, the architects of the genocide like netanyahu, and small church and, and others. but also for the soldiers that in, for some executed the genocide and who found themselves in many cases, gleefully caring out the destruction of civilian homes and targeting alston and civilians. but also as well to the countries that were complicit with this genocide, including in particular 1st. ready foremost, united states, joe biden, anthony blinkin and others as well must also be held accountable for their role in this genocide. and this process of accountability is going to continue for many years now. there is no statute of limitations on international crimes of this

nature. and so we're going to see this process unfold over a number of years to come. we've seen the orders issued in the course of this fall from some of the top institutions of the international legal architecture thing is role must allow investigative teams. you'll recall that that would have being issued in the summer must allow investigative teams into goals that are you hopeful that might happen now as well. i think all of this will really depend on the extent to which israel is pressured by the international community to comply with, allowing international investigators to enter gaza and to do their work. we have seen that israel does not comply with international law on its own, and that in any, in all circumstances, the extent to which it's going to comply results from the extent to which others hold that accountable. and that goes not only for allowing international

investigators and because of but the extent to which the ceasefire itself is going to be maintained and whether, whether it will be maintained or whether we're going to see after this phase. and that is really going to go back to dropping bombs on gauze and continuing its destruction there. you know, it's already destroyed over 90 percent of the infrastructure and gaza. so at this point, you know, i'm not sure what, what is left for it to do in terms of destruction and i, and i really hope that the international community will hold it to account and ensure that this cease fire is not just the temporary one, but a permanent one in the beginning of the end of israel's illegal occupation. in the course of this war we've already seen, for example, international human rights organizations. like amnesty international likes, human rights watch, talk about genocide we had on november the 16th 2023. 56 . you and experts talk about genocide. is it

a matter of time before we will stop to see cold convictions on the grounds of genocide and ethnic cleansing as well? i certainly think it's a matter of time before we start to see some accountability for, for the crimes that were committed in gaza. and you know, you mentioned amnesty international, some of the other human rights organizations that are now coming to this conclusion that israel's conduct and most to genocide a conclusion which by the way, posting is as early as october 2023. we're naming their experience as genocide. and what we've seen is that all of the international organizations are, are simply now confirming how students have been saying all along. and i think we're going to see that continue. the trend is only moving and in one direction. as time goes on, you're only going to see more more people, more and more organizations, more and more states calling it what it is. the unfortunate thing however,

is that it's, it's basically too late at that point in time. the international community has an obligation to prevention is live, it's failed to do so in the case of gaza. and so right now we need to do is ensure that israel is held to account for the end of the illegal occupation. it's mantles, it's apartheid regime. and it honors the policy and right of self determination to allow students for the 1st time in 76 years to determine the outcome of their lives in, in their futures. all right, thank you so much for coming and sharing your analysis of this situation on the 1st day of this c's. 5 deal horrible. on the, on one the shower is al, just here is senior political analyst joins us now from dell hudson model on since you and i spoke now we've had confirmation of 3. is writing captives having been handed over to at least the red cross or beyond that too is right. the forces at

the very least in gaza. is this a moment of hope that we might actually see this deal all the way through to the end? a no, it's not a role, but it's certainly a good beginning. right? it's a good beginning. and clearly there's going to be some tears and joy into love even more so and guys on the west bank and east jerusalem. and even in, in, within his right side of the seniors. of course i found some, but a spin in is rainy. citizens wouldn't be released from prison. but that's what it is a good beginning, and probably could continue for the next few days, weeks. even. the question is the question you've been asking. the question we've been trying to answer, mostly educated guess is whether we will move beyond the 4th the 2nd day. and whether these writing is have any intention to carry on with the 2nd phase or not.

we heard from the us president joe biden, that talking about how the deal has come to fruition. because of the hand over i guess of those 3 captives. your reaction to that, i mean, is this cooling for russian a little early on, given what you said, my frustration was. thank god, this is the last time i have to here job. i didn't speak us person. that was my 1st impression for the past 15 months had been difficult for all of us with some minimum rationality and decency listening to the complicity of the by the administration with, with the, with the general side and a party with fascism fanatics hiding under the we're just so pre text up until yesterday, various interviews by blinking speeches by then and you know this to the same thing

. that's more of the same humbug. i mean by didn't just told us that in fact, this dean guarantees a, um, i, i'm trying to remember the warranty. usable something, but credible pass. that kind of thing is to i mean, credible past that type of thing. so do you seeing any of the documents that presumably were leaked or then we see that there is a credible path which i find a single state part of this? i certainly don't see it, but all what i see is more of the same addiction to humbug addiction to lies eviction to disruption addiction to. and that tends now to try to escape the responsibility that your previous guess was talking about. unfortunately, we know that there is no such a thing, goes into the national community. certainly not when it comes to is there any kind of side? because western powers will continue to block the window of the international

community to act. we know that international law is more or less symbolic, not actually not actionable when it comes to western powers and that all ice milan on that point. of course one is hopeful and hopes for the best but, and given everything that we know about this, this, this deal is that any reason or what i mean for the question this way? what difference of this make to the reality that palestinians lived for years and decades before october, the 7th, when it comes to use of life on the siege and gaza when it comes to decades of occupation when it comes to decades. of waltz international and his writing human rights groups cool. a pop type that the palestinians have enjoyed at the hands of his route. well, i'm glad you invoke the word

a part to it because it is so much hated words. although it's probably the most suitable analogy to comparison with what is going on in is there. i've had a side as to what happened in south africa. in fact, by the way, towards the coincidence of a history invest that knew that both in south africa and in palestine and 1948, that's when the racism began. in south africa got 6 legal holes and his ride became a colonial reality every system reality and historic by this time 1994 when the 1st hostile chords was assigned in the 1st cairo i cord the hostel forward that's when apart they ended in south africa that was 51 years ago, but couldn't find a sign it deep. and so the question is, what to do? i agree with you that there is a reason we must be helpful of us as journalists, as academics, as in fact to us. but as people we need to be helpful,

we need to stay helpful, but i am not necessarily optimistic about this deal taking hold and leading us to the profit slant as where because i'm 10 unless there is i declare in this red flag it was in south africa, ready on the, on the, in the name all the magenta fuel res ray. and he's to undo all parked aids between the sea. then i think none of us would ever be free in his right. father's fine. model one as palestinians. now look forward to with hope i, you know, one assumes we've seen people re, ton mass exodus of people trying to return to what's left of the homes. put into perspective for us. what this moment means for future life

in garza, how much is in the balance for the continued existence of communities in garza, in these, in these very critical moments that we, you know, the moments in history we don't fully taken or understand until we look into the review all mirror of time later. by the way, this is an incredibly important question, because i think as we covered the news today in gaza and i, we discovered about by the how much spokesperson boasting crowd defiant, even celebrating the sacrifices of the policy and people for what they were accomplished for the palestinian cause and so on, so forth. and as we covered with the tears and the celebrations and gods as well as instead of even saw so forth. one gets the sense, passionately, emotionally, that may be with this it on. but i try back to your question. i think i feel

that moves away as people slightly less or more free of fear in gaza. this starts thinking more rationally and then go back to the distorted neighborhood and they figured it out. not that the bombing stopped. they have nothing but they have nothing. not only they have nothing in terms of physical belongings in terms of the memories, in terms of pictures, in terms of furniture, in terms of form, in terms of everything. they have nothing, they lost everything. they also have on top of that, they have nearly a quite a diseases and sicknesses and suffering and loss of loved ones. the uncertainty that there's some 10011000 people are missing in that to me under but destroyed homes and hospitals and schools. and so on. so for the guys and then the movies will start getting bigger and the cautiousness of the suffering,

then the pain would become more and more real as time goes by. and as they start crushing their life and their and what is happening to them. and as they also think, of course, of the importance of freedom from occupation, freedom from upon faith and the need for them to establish their own and to rebuild their own gaza strip as white as the rest of palestine. so this is going to be very, very difficult process. that's why sometimes we say so far and up to the siding. this was the easy part. now, when people are really become more conscious of how, how rhetoric that reality is free of fear, but broad didn't, with the big the reality. it's going to be very painful to live and to watch. so it's good talk to you model. i'm thankful putting this, these critical moments into perspective for us around the charlotte observer, senior political analyst day. and if you're just joining us, well,

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