lecture remains on january the 18 tension escalated at the top. i know i'm going to bother after a dispute about the cutting down of trees and trimming of grass needed 0 lines, international boundary. thousands of villages and bought gods from both sides were involved in the stand off and no man. so i thought it'd be a took a strong stand alongside. i bought a gods, which is why they were compelled to stop the fencing with its serious location in india. recently, someone bung with actually acting high commissioner just a day after dark, i called in new delhi as high commissioner. and it says there's a problem with a legal migration from bung with dash. we have an understanding with regard to fencing the border for security to be assessed and b, g, b has been in communication, then disregard the expect that understanding although both sides of

express confidence in resolving the issues. so dialogue observers one, the reasons bye contention could watson the dispute. this, the diplomacy is arguably needed to prevent a deeper rift between the neighbors to each other. yeah, i'll just say the chat by north going to india or bangladesh border direct lot. you watch you true crime show before bad. i already told you, because i get it. get it. because i don't know. i'm crazy. this is the case of the sponge bob murder. in 1995, jason was born in a small town in louisiana. i fell asleep listening to a crime podcast. i am the girl. the name is bad and tara newell, a survivor turned advocate producer and life coach saline best olson, a producer and filmmaker focusing on true crime across film, television,

and podcasts and bill thomas. the co host of the mind, over murder, podcast, and an advocate for victims. thank you all so much for your time. thank you for being part of the stream today. tara, i would like to start with you, because here on the stream, we often focus on personal stories, and you had a terrific experience with infamous cereal. predatory john, me, hon. known to many of our viewers because of the pod cast and then the series dirty john. i know this may be difficult, but i was going to ask you to share with us that experience and also a major choose to work with survivors. so when i got thrown into this space, it was a lot, but for those that don't know me, i'm tearing you all my step dad during the john me, him came after me and i was able to defend him and

a self defense. i took his life and now i start working with survivors because it's really the next step in the healing journey for me is that post progression is helping others. and so it's really great to connect with other survivors. and that's a, an interesting aspect. and one i wasn't expecting your to say, but it's um, we're going to hear more about your journey and how you felt to have your life depicted in so many different ways. but bill, your pod cast mind over murder is a very personal project for you. can you tell us more about it and about why you chose this platform to spotlight your sister's unsolved murder as well. my pod cast partner, kristen billy, and i started my door for murder 5 years ago. it came about because i had been guesting as the brother of a murder victim, my sister cathy thomas and her girlfriend rebecca, douse p like the psychological contact. what's that?

the killer uh, what, what red flags can i look for, or how someone, you know, escaped the kidnapping or, you know, tears a great example this. how did she fight back and survive? and women, especially, i really do onto this. hm. and indeed it's become so successful that we've seen these serious, consistently appearing on top pick lists monster and the jeffrey dahmer. a story was released in 2022 and became the 2nd most watched english language series of all time on netflix within one months, dramatizing many of the real events and sometimes it really accurate ways. take a look at this emotional moment from rita isabel, the sister on one of the victims. my name is dale and i'm the maryland jam. what are real name is a

the see my my them to go through this again. back especially with this rise in popularity or i wish i could say that they have, but it has not. but you know, in terms of what i have worked on consent is very much at the top of the list of what a ethical production would be. read it is spelled as a perfect example, she is somebody who so resilience and she offered this example of not being contacted. given this type of consent, we also just saw this a game with the menendez brothers document 2 series, along with the ryan murphy scripted series to my understanding, the scripted series did not offer any type of consent. really painted eric and lyle in a fashion that was not

a series of articles with l a times. and so it was really interesting that i didn't even know that my traumatic incident was being pitched out there to be sold. hm. yeah, that's a nice way of inviting you. we're going to do it anyway. if you want to participate . um, no, i was. i was wondering if for you, this was part of, i mean creating this pod cast was also part of owning the narrow as we spoke to. so base during the list turned youtube or negatively about her process. take a look. i definitely try to be mindful of the ethical concerns when i'm choosing cases and writing scripts. true crime is a fascinating john robot. at the end of the day, the stories are about realty. you've been talking about how it's been almost 40 years and the case remains on souls to your sister's case. but recently there's been some traction in identifying

a suspect. can you give us the latest update on that? but also if you think that the pod cast has helped in any way to find some of the answers as well, i'm absolutely certain that the broadcast has helped because we try to keep the media focus podcasts actually hold amanda. there's been some extraordinary instances where a story that has been brought to enter the spotlight by a documentary or a series or a pod cast has actually resulted in the case being reopened. can true crime is going to be a tool for social justice? absolutely, i mean look at what bill is doing, trying to draw attention to unsolved cases. so when you think about pod passer or documentaries that are focused on wrongful convictions, unsolved cases, finding missing people, all of those things are generally used used for good. we have seen attention

brought to, you know, flaws in the justice system that people are pushing to be remedied. people, you know, pushing for individuals to get out of prison. people, you know, turn up clues for, for unsolved murders. and i think when you have situations like that or situations where you have the victims of loved ones or the survivors themselves involved in producing and giving their consent in creating the contents, then we can feel good about listening to a pod cast like hm. and um, and there are so many different aspects. um, also in terms of just the representation, i guess earlier this month here at ologist here, we also launched a video podcast or true crime reports presenter holland were heading gave us this insight into how they are approaching the story, telling on to crime reports. we're taking the popular to crime shown, right? but why evening our focus to the global safe and be owns because crime effects, all kinds of people, world wides. we will, it's

a sport like countries and topics often under reports, it's in the shown right? where some stories are seen as more important than others. too often the missing point women, central police news media and they've shown right, isn't exempt. the way we talk about crime matters and we want to provide a new perspective and make a difference in how true crime is reported at the hearts of our series is the intention to respect the people at the center of these events through in depth and well research journalism and to avoid sensationalism, an exploitation of tragic events. the choice to use a i was an example of this more intentionally ethical whole because there are so many different creators out there that have done podcasts just amazingly, like i had generation. why on there such a great podcast i have um, you know,

so many friends in this space to that talk about ethical, a true crime and what it is like sarah turn, he's talking about her sister's case and how, you know, saline bath and i have even been harassed by so and in the to crime space and you know, it's important to support survivors and know that this is a trauma. this is something that is so heavy and we need to respect it. absolutely . and amanda is not just about the creators, though, right? and there's also something to be said about us as consumers. how can we be ethical consumers of true crime? a yeah, because when it comes down to it, companies, people are going to produce what makes the money and not everyone is like that but, but a lot of our and so it's up to us as true crime consumers to listen n y. mm hm. and you know, several years ago,

i'm not going to name names here analogy there are, but um, the follow words of a very popular true crime podcast. we're up, we're very much aware of the colonial parkway murders and they asked the host to cover the case. now i don't think these people do a good and i as so i sat on social media, i didn't say a lot, but i said that's not a and that is absolutely fair. bill amanda, tara, and celine. thank you so so much for your time today. thank you for helping us examine and pack some of these issues. it was a pleasure to talk to you today and thank you all for tuning in. stay in touch with us online. use a hash tag or the handle a stream to send the 0 questions. and.