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trump has been receiving messages of congratulations from leaders all around the world, but was not evident to those public statements. is a real sense of trepidation, not only from the us as adversaries, but also for some of his closest allies. that's because they know how the president trump works. that's what concerns them. he is transactional and unpredictable. so what could we expect from from his foreign policy over the next 4 years, we'll discuss it all with a panel of guest environment. but 1st, this report from katya lopez hold on donald trump sources 2nd term with the us heavily invested into major foreign wars. he has repeatedly said both will ends on his fonts. my proudest legacy will be that of a peacemaker and unifier. that's what i want to be a peacemaker and a unifier,

or perhaps his biggest challenge will be the ceasefire in gaza between israel and home us a deal he took credit for securing which is largely holding this as well as the tensions of the occupied west back where trump lifted sanctions against this really settlers, despite a search and violence against palestinians his secretary of state, marco rubio, has repeatedly reaffirmed washington steadfast support for his route. they have to defend on national security and the national interest. as i pointed on my opening statement, nearly 3 years after russia invaded ukraine, president trump has threatened russia with taxes, terrorist and sanctions, unless it reaches a deal to end the war soon. sylvia is too much, let's go. but shortly after trump was inaugurated president vladimir put in and now said moscow will strengthen ties with beijing schedule. and across here up there is concerned. trump will unravel the needle defense alliance. addressing

global leaders at the world economic forum, ukraine's president questioned us commitments to western allies. washington does not believe you are who can bring them something that is really a substantial. trump is known as a deal maker and negotiator and all around governments are waiting to see how his america 1st agenda will affect foreign policy and whether it will help and or fuel global conflicts. patsy, a little disability in elgin 0 for insights store the well, that is lots to discuss. and joining us here in washington dc. broad cost center to talk about donald trump's foreign policy. have p. j. crowley. he's a former us assistant secretary of state from the yard, as senior director in atlanta counsels, africa sent to an a form, a french ambassador to unesco know bill 3 is

a senior norm resident fellow at the arab center. thank you. all 3 of you for joining us on the special inside story from washington paycheck. let me start with you and go back to the an organization and read you a quote from president trump. we will measure all success is not only by the battles we win, but also by the was that we in the past, more importantly the was we never get into. and then my proudest legacy will be that of a piece maker and a unify. does that match what you saw last time? he was president. well, no, not at all. now he does a president have that ability. sure. does donald trump have that focus on that discipline? no, um, but what has to be a little bit humble here? you know, what donald trump ends up achieving in the world is partly up to him. but as partly up to the world, every president in this century has been hit by some kind of unexpected global crisis, you know, from 911 to the cold. but economic crisis, you know,

to the covered pandemic, to the invasion of ukraine and the attack on gaza. so donald, from comes into office with lots of ambition and lots of ideas, you know, but what he ends up doing will depend on how the world reacts to what in the future from a tell me, how is he being, how is this moment being seen by his closest allies, the word that concerned because um, what could have been expected. um, you know, was um, statements or an attitude against china or russia and that's not the case. these 2 actors remain with be silent and discreet. but the allies, the friends, are, are, are soul tide if i may say so, especially in europe, for example, where they are, um, you know, asking themselves what would happen?

what kind of strategy they should um or out? um, why canada and mexico the closest neighbors are under pressure. so this is, this is a huge start. and that is a promising for his, i mean his team, the restaurants team because he's doing what, what he said. but in the meantime, um there is a lot of uncertainty on in the international stage so far from only if and, and gaza. and the western ward is under its uncertainty because this 1st statement, the bill and he talks about pace, maker and unify. he can, can he not point to that garza see spot deal which came into force just hours before his little gratian. i mean, the deal was on the table for all of last year and it was only when donald trump got involved and he got pushed over the line. i think he can certainly take credit

for the ceasefire. there was some kind of uh, deals between him and then yahoo, that brought this about. however ceasefire is not peace making peace is the law car . there is a lot longer of this administration. what we know about donald trump and the people he's bringing with him to washington is that they prefer commerce and economics over politics and war. uh, and having someone like a long mosque at his side, there would probably be some economic incentives, the ideas of investment, that sort of thing, which is all well and good. however, i suspect that this administration and trump himself lack the empathy for people who are going through the conflict, the occupation, and they lack because the, the paramedics goes to get in to conflict resolution and then effective manner p j

. i like perhaps to look at the wider chance of at least spacing amount of but sticking with that see spar was all the challenges ahead. it's very, very fragile situation. obviously, you've got the effort to get aiden, and yet unreal, which is the un body that's the only one that can deliver the aid. looks like it's only got about another week left before it might have to stop operating cause is rose is going to bind it and then will we ever get to phase 2 of the sweet spot deal given the finance minister may pull out and nothing you all who will want to keep his coalition going? i think that's a critical critical element to this. i think we'll get, we'll get a 1st hand whenever there's the 1st face to face meeting between donald trump and benjamin netanyahu. early i expect in the 2nd term and, and what will happen from that, as you said, if you know what, what you,

what dotted from envisions is some kind of grand deal, you know, but if that, if you're going to pursue, for example, normalization of relations between israel and saudi arabia, part that deal has to be a clear path towards palestinian statehood. and that will require benjamin netanyahu to confront a plan for the day after the day after which he has steadfastly refused over over months. and, and his coalition governing collision hangs in the balance. so will, how hard will trump push nothing, yahoo, how much will that be? i will try to flatter trump. what's the end result of that? you know, we'll have to wait and see rama this idea of a grand ball game with israel and saudi arabia and then some sort of deal for the palestinian. and so, i mean, do you think it is realistic? because i mean, there are many in donald trump's new team who don't seem to support this plan,

the tool they actually want an expression of the west bank. and the one thing the saudis of said is that they want a policy in state if they're going to go along with this plan. it's, you know, i, i think that, um the, the template is facing the principle of reality because it's something to, to be on pain, so to speak, to you friends. it's another thing um, to face a ceasefire or a piece bidding process. and his, his and to look at yours tough um, you know, and uh there was a huge empathy in the world uh for the palestinians, including in his own country. so he's not free to do whatever he wants. and he has to, um, to, to negotiate with each party and, and to be more inclusive. so this 1st step is also, i mean we should also give credit to the former administration for being

a part of this to which means that he had to deal with the, the bible and his ration in this process. so now he's a role in the office and he's facing this tremendous talent to transition from the ceasefire to the, to the beast. like you said. and it would be very, very challenging because i'm not sure been, you know, mean that then you know is, um, is redid to um, to do more than what he already did. and um, and we would test. i mean, the word would see and test the ability of the new american presidents to continue this conversation with the premier stories with the bill. it seems to me that the, the team, he's assembled devens, his own team 30, seemed to have the same objectives. steve, with coffee, who's, he's friends, who's the property dealer, he seems to want some sort of grand bulk and then you've got people in the team

then not yet in the jobs, but you've got a mix huckabee who's is he wants to be the ambassador to israel is one, so there's no such thing as a postilion. you're at least the phonic who he wants to be as you add them back to the site, as well as biblical right to the, into westbank quote that they're not going to help with the ground deal with saudi arabia all day a. uh no, i think uh what we know about donald trump is that he is an altima itself and your logical uh, but he has the than a right wing wave. and the was the 1st time around in 2016. and this time around as well that the right wing wave is still there is the majority of the door today, man. uh, and his appointments, the people around him that reflects that the right wing sentiment in the country. i think. and then the donald trump certainly is not motivated to go against them. and if that is the sense that is uh, is it or is biblical right?

so uh next by this thing instead of 3, i don't think good bump was sent in the way. i expect him to try to legalize whatever, uh, nothing you know, or any successes or office accomplish by force. i think deals with solid. it'd be again with solid. it'd be except to join the abraham accords. and, and somehow as a question of governance comes up. this administration coming in with the things that agree with israel is there in the government that how much can not be allowed to own gaza again a while after 15 months of this and the structure and how masses fill their. um the if they had somehow were able to pull off a peaceful election, how much time

a while to get the confidence of the palestinians again? so what would they do in that case? p. j. i'm more than 40. $7000.00 people killed in garza in 15 months, but we have to also acknowledge that it has transformed the regional landscape. you have his bo have a mouse, you have a wrong week and you have the a set family removed from power. and so we were off to 54 years. how should the us respond to that and particularly with the wrong before the 1st time it was a maximum pressure campaign? is that the way forward or is there an opportunity now to reopen, i know you were involved in it talks with the wrong with the original opportunity. but you actually need both sides, you know, to negotiate. and, and the dilemma here is that on both sides, you have hard line, you know, critics, you have what others want to engage. so, you know, for both on the american side,

under president trump, and on the iranian side, under the new running and president, you know, which side whole sway of your will determine whether an opportunity presents itself your or not. remember the by demonstration, try mightily. you're in it's term to resurrect the run nuclear deal. that deal eventually collapsed in large part because iran was not prepared to talk directly, you know, to the american side. you know, so, you know, if, if iran is willing to engage and, and, and calls, it's a really good question whether donald trump or one of his minions will pick up the phone rama the other place a different part of the world. yeah, but that could be some child. so piece perhaps and present trumps that he could solve it in 24 hours. is across the war at the new address buyer. yeah. when he ordered expired. exactly. he said he could solve that will. but it's interesting

that recently he seems to be taking your tougher tone with latham it puts in a go on very well within the past. somebody's reason comments if we don't make a deal and soon i have no other choice but to the high levels of texas terrace. he loves terrace and sanctions on and the thing being sold by russian. so, you know, it is sites in various other participating countries. do you see a difference in tone from trump now compared with, from just a few weeks and, you know, you know, we can, we can, we can finish these the past days. um, but at the end of the day they would have to sit down and discuss it by the end of these war, you know, and uh, letting me put you in is one of these, a strong man he usually likes. so what would be the outcome of such a tough conversation with the russians president was not willing to give up any territory. and in the meantime, you have

a president of zalinski and who is seeking present from support, you know, including financially speaking has been expecting funds to uh, to feed the war against russia. so um, in the middle of this, um, the, your opinion is in a very difficult position because of that from the table of discussions. and so now it's a face to face conversation between the rest of the present and the american president . and actually if he gives more time for the negotiations like he is doing right now, i do believe that his may be willing to more to listen to prisons and, and skate what he has to say. that, that's what, that's what is different from what he, when he announced in his company, and to be a, would you advise president trump to get directly involved,

to handle the negotiations themselves. because he's had meetings with president putin. i'd like to know what you think of, of those and also he trying this. did he not with north korea? i would not 1st of all advise the dollar to uh, on any level of buzz. uh no, i mean in my opinion is that you should not get the directly involved is the trip to north korea and his chummy itself was in john. one was a very personal thing. he didn't take any korea experts with him on the trip and nothing off of specific nature came out of his the floors or seemingly telford stores within. i do not think seriously. i think it's just for show because it has been good size the lot for having been then put in his pocket.

um, i predict that the zalinski will be abandoned and the dump will allow within to do whatever he can do and wants to do in ukraine. and uh, i think uh trump one, so some financial deal with putting that we would probably not theater bought in public circles. beach. i think he wants to come in on that. i do think that present trump will help a negotiator, a ceasefire. um, that will be the easy part. yeah. then what? um, he'll probably enjoy the ceasefire crate. you know, say this is the deal to century and, and move on, you know, but where he will stumble because part of what presence lensky will absolutely need . if he's going to agree to a cease fire with russian troops still on ukrainian territory is what are the

security guarantees that the united states and nato will provide to ukraine going forward and, and, and their jo reality will come up against donald trump, skepticism of alliances in general, and nato in particular. and that's where i think this. so has the potential fall apart, rama on on that. i mean, he was very, very tough on nato countries in that defense spending last time around that 2 percent of g d p. i don't think he quite understood the metric put them in however it all day in european capitals that, that is going to become an issue again because some big countries, like it's a leading candidate for example, that still haven't reach that special you of your open countries are watching very carefully or what's going on around ukraine and the so called mix these fire because it's not only about you create, it's about the uh, the conditions of you being the security architecture. it's bigger than that. it's larger than that because um, thursday,

it was not the 1st time rush. i talked you open control that ukraine. you already started this, we scream a few years ago. so what, what does it mean? easy allowed to to move forward any time he wants. that would threaten the you with an option to secure which action picture. that's the 1st one. the 2nd aspect is nature, of course because of the, the, the tons of not take partnership is based on these data sorted everything. um, so what is, is it only a model number in that case it's not a big deal, or is it something deeper and reduce the mentor lots on gauge meant? so united states, and this is another story because your plans would have to face their own security to organize their own defense system. and i'm not sure that the parents are willing to do that right now,

because they are not united because it's of the most important you. but in countries are in domestic crisis. internal sizes, you know, u. k is under pressure, france has no government. i mean, stable government, spain, same in germany, is facing your elections. so there's no strong inter, look you up into look at your, for trump. so this is not the right time to make decisions like this from you have been perspective not to mention that you've been commission that is taking decision like working alone without the states, which is not very appreciated by you have been public opinions, a p j. i mean, if you dollars me just a few weeks ago, what issues we'd be talking about of the start of a trump presidency. i'm not sure i have had on my list u. k. panamanian relations. and yet, it is an old ration speech. he said, we're taking it back. the panama canal. i mean, this is quite incredible in and and is, there is no, well, he,

he may well be serious. but let's go back to 2017. it campaigned on a promise that i'll build a great wall and that school will pay for it. that policy didn't survive the 1st phone call, you know, with the president, mexico. so i can't do that. you know, so there will be a conversation between donald trump and is panamanian counterpart. he'll say the canal as ours. we're not giving it back. and that that i think will be the end of it. but i think this, this is what the world is preparing for, that. there's a policy that donald trump describes. and then there's a policy that donald trump and his administration actually pursues. and there's always a gap between the 2 and the video, something called us the math night and say, read that, and i that you know, he gets people sketch is totally unpredictable that unsettled by him. and perhaps it works so you can get concessions. what do you as a professional diplomat make of a bad idea of it's

a bad idea. it's scary. she may want to scare opponents out there, the scares me and he scares a lot of professional diplomats. it's a very, i'm who didn't look though occasionally. it might work uh, in some cases was some people dealing with if we circled back to the middle east, i mean, i think it, 1st of all, you know, people made a mistake with him in the 2016 they didn't, they came at his word. i think he does not respect the western alliance to your wants of the us to go with alone. i think he means that he doesn't think for us and he's a europe or, or anybody. and the french are already talking about trying not to depend on the us in terms of their security. and that is a sense of going around in the middle east. certainly the middle east is too

complex for this kind of an approach. and you can scale anybody in the middle east. there is a people when, when a resist occupation, even when they're beaten over the head, they repeatedly, the palestinians have software the immensely in the past 15 months. they have suffered over 75 years. and yet that is the resistance. these are complex issues and just making so that's will not work rama. i mean you, you follow what goes on in africa. you follow what goes in your own and your what did they make of trumps style and the is there any way that you think that he can achieve things? the diplomats conte because he's completely on the plastic a. yeah. and the, i mean, he's enjoying the power of his, um, these words, you know, his lodge of victory. and that may have impressed people. um,

he has um, you know, the support of the majority of the american voters and it monitors when you, when you are in conversations with governments who cannot enjoy this kind of legitimacy. you know, of, for example, in europe. so, but it won't last, you know, because the power is such a challenging experience. so um would see what happens then. um in the domestic front. um, but the rest of the world including an alpha gum. um, i mean, what i hear is if it's america 1st, we can promote the offer 1st for an exam, because we don't change very, very quickly. you worked alongside hillary clinton, a much more conventional style of diplomacy. what do you make of the way trump does things briefly? well, you know, this is

a 2nd act for trump. and so on the one hand, he does understand more about the power of the presidency that he did in his 1st term. but the world also understands how we acts and is prepared for the so for example, you know, he will impose tower of san china. the china has spent the last that these, it's last 4 years preparing for this moment and, and it will respond in kind a and, and that's going to throw trim for a loop. so, so this does cut both ways. thank you very much indeed. to my guess today here in washington, d. c. p. j. crowley, rama yard and of a court and i'll be according extensive coverage of the stalls of the 2nd. trump presidency continues to now to 0 with analysis to on our website. that was, is there a dot com? is that what we'd like to hear from you get into us on facebook, facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story on messages on x, where we are at a inside story for meeting space and all the team. you know the see board cost center please stay safe and well bye for now.

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