states with itself, this is from indeed goes ahead and imposes the new branch of sanctions in russia, in case page and dozens between then to the war that was made the russian economy any but to succeed even honda, the full of letting the patient is sending these very cautious signals to washington national pop out of the ultra 0 most square. millions of households in arlington, scotland have lost power, is a powerful storm lashes. parts of those countries. hurricane force winds disrupted flights close schools and 4th train and fairies services to be cancelled on persons died for the full cost of issue, the red, red weather warning fight and, and central and south west scotland to hold on 350 schools in thailand's capital have been forced to close because of air pollution authorities in bangkok of announced free public transport for a week to reduce exhaust fumes. barbara, under reports the mass pleasure of schools in bangkok is the most

drastic measure of the city is implemented to tackle at pollution. target permit is under pressure to develop a more comprehensive policy. as pool at quality becomes an annual occurrence across se, asia. i think school closures could help to a session point. it's hard to break and pollution causes sore throats for adults. imagine how the children feel. well, thirty's close to 352 schools across such one districts in the capital and various who can have been to stay at home that they have moved up. i think the government you to raise more awareness. i think a work from home policy would be best, but some people say these measures on to enough. oh yeah. hi. um. i'd like the relevant agencies to do more to manage the just because it happens every year. it keeps coming back and it's getting worse each time they should take more action, not just announce high pollution levels and closed schools for now. spend called

presidents of doing what they come to cope with a pool of quality by the i sometimes with face mask as a precaution, but i took it off because it petition hasn't changed, emergency levels yet. so it is of a mass free public transport for a week to try to reduce exhaust fumes from vehicles. so government is also a bad crowd funding a common practice to get rid of stroll and crop present to you before the new planting season. barbara and go out to sandra. you can discover a lot more on our website. i'll just say, oh, don't come with all of your media devices. news continues here. what else are often upfront statements? the the,

there's no limit to how a dream continue to study in your own event, you know, counter and things across the globe. indigenous peoples are grappling with the devastating impact of a rapidly escalating climate crisis if they remain sidelined in environmental decision making. or how can meaningful change happen, and those were most affected, aren't even part of the discussion. that conversation coming up. the 1st, as was wildfires and other natural disasters, fueled by the climate crisis, continue to read habits across the planet. environmentalists are denouncing the inaction of world leaders. so what's behind the failure to address with fights as appalling in, as a central threats to our way of life on earth. and what that,

what top returning the power in washington, things about to get even worse earlier as those very questions, this week's headliner, environmental activists, etc, but the rid of them. but thank you so much for joining us when upfront. thank you for having a claimant. conferences have in theory, been a space where environmental list then activists and governments come together and they discuss pressing environmental issues, things like global warming, pollution fossil fuels, the impact of the climate on the world, you know, important stuff up. what are they working in your view? do you think that there have been any material gains that have come from climate conferences? i mean, of course, one could argue that there have been so much know when from the but i think it was the we need to zoom out the base where in the year 2024 and the climate crisis is

rapidly escalating last year that will expand a full time probably, and we don't get permission and we have about 6 people held us here every quarter and the thursday, or to be the 1.5 to the target. we are obviously doing something wrong. it will that these trying to congress if needing to are increased emissions and marginal things on paper. i think as, as it is right now, you find it comforting to talk to the time and time again to be a plate for people in power and those most responsible for the time to come together and going to watch them. so um, disney, i've called several 1773. okay. and will be present, which is more than the top 10 most vulnerable country and then again combined. and so i think we just spoke pretending that under these circumstances, these kind of conferences will lead to any real time of action. i want to drill down on that more when you say green washing in this context,

what exactly doesn't mean for those who aren't familiar, like what kind of violations, what kind of failures, what, what exactly is happening here? yeah. yeah. so let's take this is called as a, as a textbook example of green washing and for that. so i could have done the country of the, of this kind of anything. um you this state environmental protest in order to establish a human the terry and blockade starting people in effect like on a car wash in the, in armenia. and right now are given a platform on the road today to get to my angry wash. 1300 uses while pretending that they care about the climate, like getting the photos this, this the kind of me thing and so by using the environment as a reason they are trying to go in your state human rights abuses. that is one aspect of it. and then of course the aspect that they are patrick dates,

which is completely dependent bifocal to production and exports. for example, the export huge amounts of oil to israel. and therefore continental part of the is rated war machine is one example. and they have no plan of taking real time attacks and they are kind of expand awesome fuel expansion. but they getting away with it because they are still good at framing it as if they are doing enough. and since the level of awareness about the things that they are actually doing is so low that people don't hold them accountable. speaking of holding people accountable while you're known around the world for environmental activism, in particular, you're also starting human rights defender. this past year, for example, you have protested against israel genocide in gaza. you were even arrested while demonstrating in copenhagen. your activism on palestine has landed you. it's pretty hot water. people have called you an anti semite. i've heard people call you a jew hater. many, many things have been said about you,

what have been the consequences of your activism, particularly your activism on palestine. has it close? any doors, ebony space has been made unavailable to you as a consequence? i mean, in the climate crisis we what i am inclined to just talk to this is not just because i want to train and brought it's an ecosystem of course that really, really important. but what it boils down directly to me is that because i care about you and there will be no matter what the cost of human suffering is, whether it is crime crisis, whether it is war or preston, genocide, i will fight against those calls that the kind of crisis is built on into it, it is built, the logic behind it is that we are replacing it as well as current and future generation for the possibility of you to keep making unimaginable amount of profit . and the continued exploit thing, trying to and people. and so if we,

if we of time effective it or not able to state because again, the color is motivation and oppression and killing of people today. and then i don't think we should be able to color. so, trying to just as we cannot to pick and choose which struggle we have support and that's just like, you know, just somebody, some struggles are more high stakes than others. some things you'll get a critical, a critical review in a newspaper from your political opponents. some you'll get blasted on social media and in others you can have, you know, major, major professional academic, even economic consequences for in the case of palestine. what have been the consequences for yeah, yeah. many, i have the, i have no many friends and i have, i've been called all the imaginable stuff on being split up in the inevitable se,

but i was already being that before, you know. but i think if you of an activist or uncomfortable, i think you're doing something wrong. we aren't here to be people please that we are here to say that, ok, this is myself. and i'm going to do something about for example. and when we talk about the impact on the system, when we are saying that it's speaking of again israel, genocide, which of course in any way is the link to the jewish people who are representing jewish people as if the thing that chris, i think israel and it's in the side on kind of thing and i'm facing the big 1st of all, we are extremely tiny watering down that term and i think i tend to pick them. it's a very, very similar problem, but many are suffering from on an everyday basis. and not only only doing that, but we're also using the book ring and for whatever political

purpose you find that. and that's absolutely outrage. it is again, a question about basic human rights for everyone. for example, when we say climate justice, we need climate justice works for everyone. and we need justice and freedom and safety for everyone, especially the most modern like people like kind of thing. right now this policy really showed the true color of the world every day. we keep seeing that and if the, the new place is faithful, so many people that i still have good people and cared about human rights and the policy and the to touch on that. they are actually not doing that. then. yeah, let's turn in a different direction. i'd like to turn to the united states for a minute. donald trump has been elected for

a 2nd term as us president, and you've exchanged some words with trump. uh on twitter in the past. you've traded jabs and speeches. it's been pretty intense at times. trumps environmental record was visible during his 1st term, which is probably why you were so committed to speaking against him. he's not a believer in climate change. he's even called it a hoax. he said he was going to pull out of the parish agreement again, and he's pledge to increase fossil fuel production and quote, drill drilled, drill. his pick for energy. secretary also denies that there is a climate crisis. so what do you think trump coming back into the presidential office is going to mean for the environment and for the fight to protect it. i mean, you don't have to push it again to see the another trump presidency right now will be nothing less than a capacity and it's going to be it's difficult to talk about this subject

without using word i should not be used but and it is very very obvious that our current system are not working in the majority favor . and as it is now, when they permit movement or be put in the silence and the more nice and repressed people will most likely continue to be going through. right. the populace of and processed them, and that is an extremely scary development that we see all over the world. i'm locally so in, in the us. but of course, we'll have to remember that as an example, likely be talking about telephones, identify the problem, sign it happening under the vitamin high ministration with american money and american complexity. and no matter who will be president as long as nothing. fundamentally changing and think it was, they will continue to be an imperative or the capitalist will power. that is

going to continue to lead the world. so they're into this kind of catastrophe and a racist and an equal world. but of course, trump, in this case is extremely, extremely bankrupt. but i mean, we have to we cannot pull up into further despair and apathy of the ultimate. we have to let this be yet another reason why we are getting organized and feeling the street and with this thing. because there is, there is no other option. b, this have to radicalize. well, it seems like the changes, if it seems, if you are actively resisting, you're certainly not in a state of despair or at least not letting despair stop you from fighting against power. and it's not just donald trump. politicians in germany are calling for you to be banned from the country because of your participation in pro palestine

protests. you're hung gary and media watch list because of your activism. you come on to fire politicians in india. after supporting the former protest there. 4 why do you think governments find you to be such a so this is a threatening figure? well obviously have you, have you seen me? the same is happening. know, but it's um when, when people like best among the most powerful people in the world are i think they are acting in that way. that means that they do filter and that is a very poor this one because stephanie said we're actually making a difference. otherwise they wouldn't waste their time doing that and they wouldn't embarrass themselves on the words like saying those kinds of things. right. and birds. thank you so much for joining us in upfront. thank you. but the, this year's top 29 was just the latest example of indigenous active as being sidelined in international forms. leading many to question how indigenous peoples

can affect the future of climate action and organize to combat the climate crisis. joining us to discuss this is the code activist nick s this co founder of the pod cast and advocacy group, the red nation nick. so good to see you welcome to upfront. you've argued that people often reduce the vast history of indigenous resistance in the united states to just being about anti pipeline protests. but there's been a long history of indigenous resistance rooted in a demand for recognizing the sovereignty of native american nations. also returning indigenous homelands and of course, combating colonialism. what does indigenous activism and resistance look like today? particularly in response to the crime of crisis. an extra mark of that's was a great question. there's an assumption that indigenous nations didn't have laws, didn't have customers, didn't have governance prior to the arrival of europeans. so much and much of what we see as indigenous resistance or indigenous activism is simply

a holding. what came before the united states or can before summer colonial nations . so for example, we see the as i pipelines struggle or the struggles against fossil fuels in north america as halting or challenging at least a quarter of carbon issue emissions from both canada and the united states. so when we talked about indigenous resistance today, i don't want to romanticize indigenous nations. we shouldn't think of indigenous peoples as sort of belonging to this kind of touched past where they were one with nature. because today many indigenous nations within the united states. the navajo nation, for example, which is heavily invested in the oil and gas industry, as well as being, you know, the invested in sort of green technologies. so to say, to talk about sovereignty, there's multiple registers. it's not just the sort of ideal mystic sort of. yeah,

we're going to go back one with nature. so when we talk about indigenous resistance in this context, you know, there's the global movement of indigenous peoples. if you look at the, the history of the united nations, which really began in the 1970s. the recognition of indigenous peoples is relatively recent in terms of the international forms. so when we look at something like comp $29.00, we can see sort of a general recalcitrance to include indigenous voices or non state. you know, minority groups. i was gonna say there isn't a reluctance to include certain groups, i mean, the fossil fuel lobby, for example, is represented by 10 times the number of attendees as indigenous participants. when you think about transitions, out of the se of carbon economy to a green economy, you stated before, the populations have that have historically been colonized, are going to bear the burden of this transition. uh,

talk to me about what that means. are there specific examples of like, indigenous communities that are going to have to really be at a cost of that kind of what seems to be necessary shift ultimately to me? yeah, i think the, it's, it goes without saying it's a necessary shift. but, you know, according to the world bank, it's going to require about like 3000000000 tons of metals and minerals to just copper in with you to make that transition by 2025 before this car is going to be by 2050. so it's going to require mining fresh, copper that doesn't include things like nickel cobalt, you know, all these things that go into something like a test, low battery or the other list. and that goes into that. you know, there's a reason why, like, you on most is, is building has as the factories in places like the dresser because they're trying to mind lifting them. they're trying to use these areas as new. uh, you know, new frontiers for exploitation. and we see this, you know,

what the lithium economy expect to the economy that's, you know, putting within the indian region that's targeting indigenous communities there. and we're not seeing it here in the united states at places like soccer past, where they want to build a massive, you know, open pit lithium mine. there's a more fundamental issue here that you've alluded to today, and i've heard you when, when we've been places speak to very explicitly and articulately. and that is the question of settler colonialism. if the settler comes to colonizer, they say that, you know, the settler, the colonizer comes to stay, and to extract, and to exploit. if they're trying to take over the land, then it's in their best interest to protect the land. it's in their best interest to protect the environment because they're living there now. so why do we see in the conduct of north america such a vicious assaults on the environment? why do we see uh, for example, a commitment to a carbon economy. ultimately it's going to spell the demise even for the settler. well, that's a really complicated course of i think the 1st part of it is that most of the risks

of a climate of climate catastrophe have been sort of outsourced to the rest of the world around the source to indigenous peoples internally within the sutler calling itself . you have things like, you know, foreigners, america, you have the hardening of borders. you have the hardening of, you know, immigration, that's all in response to climate change, which is directly, all you know, in relationship to us, imperialism interventions in these countries that is causing these massive migration shifts whether it's distinctions or direct or for warfare itself. so when we think about like, well doesn't, you know, we all drink from the same common pot, like why would it make sense for settlers to basically spoiled it well that we all drink, we all drink from, i think right now we're actually experiencing that. we've seen a new meal. liberalism be completely exhausted. we've seen neo conservatives of

a be completely exhausted as political alternatives. and does we get the rise of somebody like trump, who is altered, you know, offering some kind of alternative, which really isn't much of a deviation from the status quote. and we're, we're seeing places like is palestine where there is, you know, that has that major of environmental disaster affecting, you know, poor white people, you know, who are descendants of these softwares. and so really what we're gonna, we're gonna see in this moment in time, especially in, in the context of this, you know, the so called the imperial core, or within the subtler calling itself is the exacerbation of class differences. the, let me ask you a question on a, on a slightly different note connected to what you're say. sure. um, when you look back over the last 4 years, do you feel like there was progress in moving from trump to bite? and a binary said before he was elected president that nothing fundamentally

would change. so in many ways, i don't, i don't really see a fundamental shift. i mean, you just see or a shifting rhetoric. you have some of these more explicit about what they're going to do. and how they feel about especially racialized or indigenous people. and then you have somebody who says, i'm going to do a landing knowledge that while i, you know, while i grant more oil and gas a drilling permits, then the previous administration that's, that's biden's, you know, or that was biden's energy policy. he granted more oil and gas permits on public lands, then trump did within his 1st 2 years of his presidency. so these promises made about being in the 1st climate president don't you know i, you can listen to a person's words, but you should judge them by their actions. and we can talk about the context of minnesota. ready perfect example in how you have a governor who gives lip service to indigenous sovereignty. and you have

a lieutenant governor who is an indigenous woman herself overseas, the construction of a pipeline. that's transported parsons from alberta, canada. and it was a re route because needed people, mine asian defeated the keystone excell pipeline in our republican controlled state governments. so think about this sort of contradiction that puts into, you know, that, that puts in your mind when we're told by liberals are better for indigenous people . and, you know, the republicans are going to be worse. the facts don't really play out in terms of how those policies are implemented and how the indigenous movements, the indigenous and movements against these destructive industries and to push for alternatives have played out on the ground conditioning. when you say there isn't a significant difference between democrats and republicans on this issue, because of similar claim has been made by many people regarding israel and palestine. is there a link between kind of how settler colonial projects like the united states or

canada, or australia or new zealand operate in terms of the treatment of indigenous populations and those very same nations offering continuous support for israel. the earlier you started, adjuster, are you, you start asked me to sort of apologize, the subtler mindset or the colonizer mindset. and i tend, i try not to do that, but i'm going to do that in this case because i feel like there's an immense amount of violence that we're witnessing that's being live streams in the palm of our hands on our smartphones. and there's a lot of disbelief, i think people who are sympathetic to a post in, in the, you know, free palestine are sort of at a loss of like, how could this happen? and i would just say, look to the history of the united states, the united states has absorbed the genocide of indigenous people in the immense amount of violence that took to the point where most people don't even, you know, we're not, we're speaking english for a reason you know,

we're not speaking loc hooked up, you were not speaking the indigenous languages of this language, not following the indigenous laws of this land. and so when we think about how could we let something like the genocide and palestine uh, you know, on full the way the highest. all we have to look back on is the, the treatment of indigenous people by the united states. and the genocide that has been covered up and that is not acknowledged. that's one link. the other link is, you know, just the fact that these are 2 subtler colonial nations that both european projects of the zionist project in palestine. they started off with a british mandate, you know, certain off and then in a european country, much like the united states. and it, it implemented is sort of stuffed and taking of the, you know, the indigenous palestinian land of the same way and creating almost almost parallel systems of reservations or bantustans as we call them in south africa. or,

you know, in the united states, the reservation systems that are sort of controlled you can think of, you can think of the palestinian authority is sort of a tribal government where it has to be a moved by the, the occupying power in what it does. so the power levels in that colonial situation are similar. i think the part of it that is more explicit in the context of palestine is the genocide on nature of a subtler colony. and it's exposing, not just what is real, is a and it's fundamental nature. it's actually shit, it's a mirror image of what the united states is and how it treats. not only it's indigenous people, but you know how it's genocide in african people and a transatlantic flight, the slave trade, but also how it's waged. imperial wars, you know, for more than 2 centuries, since it's founded, it gets a dentist of a state that is a nation say that was one of mentally founded as a capital boss and in curious, expansionist nation, said,

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