ending march 31st 2025. for more information. please visit the awards official website at w w w dot h t a dot q a the hello i'm down in jordan and dublin with a quick reminder of the top stories here on out to 0. how mazda is accused israel of delaying the implementation of the gauze of sci fi to him is by stopping palestinians from returning to the north of this trip is ready for his shots and the palace demands, trying to return home, saying, how must have failed to meet this obligation how mos failed to made its complications to 1st release is rarely female civilian hostages, spart over the agreement. we are determined to return to the return of

a baby who is and he is rarely citizen getting up from your office. and also shelly beavis entered 2 children. these are not in whose welfare we are extremely concerned about is what i'm a sub successfully completed. the 2nd exchange of captives, the prisoners. a group of 200 palestinians were freed from his right presence, 70 of them. it was $0.75 and it says a bank deposit. they've now arrived in egypt and will be sent to countries such as tennessee, jerry, untouched. how much has released for is ready. it will then all soldiers that were handed over to red cross officials in kansas city on sloan to israel for medical checks and to be reunited with their families of zeros on the flute as more from the jordanian capital of mine. because these randy government and palestinian authority have gone down to 0 reporting and his route i'm the occupied west. these

really military released a statement acknowledging that their troops had fired shots in gaza, but they're claiming that they were warning shots fired after they identified threats that were posed to troops. these rarely army has said that during the ceasefire deal if they felt any sort of threat towards the troops that they had the right to respond. but israel is still alleging that has violated the ceasefire agreement by not releasing civilians in week 2, a phase one. but rather releasing for female soldiers instead. now as part of the deal in the 2nd week, palestinians were supposed to be allowed to return to northern gauze, though after more than 1000000 of them were displaced since the start of the war. however, israel says, until there's a certain captive named r belial, who, who is identified as in his really civilian, is released. that's when his really troops will withdraw from that study. and that's when palestinians can return back to northern dogs though, have the central jersey at all. among the democratic republic of congo is 7 diplomatic ties with rolanda as fighting between the companies. on the,

on the m. 23 on group intensifies the groups been causing it on the government for fighting prompting the un to evacuate non essential stuff. 9 peacekeepers have been killed and at least 18 injured. consort accuses rolanda backing them 23, but the gali has denied involvement. the un security council would meet on sundays to discuss the situation. it was a little difficult earlier now we have some hearing problems for 3 hours. we the population escaped and worried us because we don't know what to flee to. we also the government to do everything possible to send soldiers to the lines, to see how to drive out the enemy, not a problem that you want to go on us. we are so afraid when you see the numbers of dead and wounded among the military, coming from the front left, we went to the government to mobilize the military. so the peace kendra, 10 memo a fuel tank as exploded in se, i'm not jeremy, i'm getting dozens of people. the accident happened in a new good state. i would say 6 of the vehicles were damaged by the bloss fits

nigeria, 2nd fuel tank explosion, the week. a petro tonka bloss denija state last saturday, killed 98 people behind number of casualties in these accidents. and because people sites and feel from the cross concord, yes. have a concert using president trump of a fraud and not cool off the he 517 federal government watch topics. the inspector general's i meant to guard against mismanagement and abuse of power. the fireman's could be challenged in court on the prison, and government says it's outraged. off the dozens of migraines devoted by the us, arriving to handcuffs, brazil, all the us officials to immediately remove the restraints. the justice minister called at a flagrant disregard for the rights of brazilian citizens for life, carried around 18 men, women, and children. those with the headline news continues here now just here off of the bottom line feature and thanks for watching of the

higher ups, the equipment and i have a question with a ceasefire process. now potentially underway is a permanent and israel's war and gaza on the horizon. let's get to the bottom line . the the bloodiest chapter in palace spinning is really history may be coming to a close. and let me emphasize, may be coming to an end to the millions of palestinians in gauze of the cease fire deal may mean a chance to piece together their lives after losing tens of thousands of their loved ones, who is really bombing campaigns over the past 15 months and losing their homes, their schools, their hospitals, their food, clean water, everything. and for his rarely is it means that the dozens of hostages, that it's still been held in gaza since october 7th, will finally be released. and the country can step back from its 4 foot to deal

couldn't have been reached without heavy pressure from united states, with officials from both the incoming and outgoing administration spring apart. but the devil is in the details. so what lies ahead now today we're talking with charles dunn adjunct professor of international affairs of george washington university and a former director at the us national security council. charles, thank you so much for being with us. would love to just get your take on this moment and what are you confident in? what are you worried about? the bad news to me is that there still so many moving parts here that it's going to be hard for the countries have to help them go straight this united states gutter and egypt of to keep this whole thing moving. there's still apparently many details to be decided about which prisoners are going to be released, which hostages are going to be released? how far these really is gonna withdraw from the gaza population centers here suppose to withdraw from all of the central parts. and these are just some of the

initial questions before we even get to the hard questions in phase 2 and phase 3 of the seas. very well. let's get to another voice in this negotiation and that is incoming president. donald trump. he says this ethics ceasefire agreement could have only happened as, as a result of our historic victory, meaning his in november as it signaled to the entire world that my administration would seek peace and negotiate deals to ensure the safety of all americans and our allies. so that's one portion of a very, very long message from from president trump. is there some dynamic where president trump simply has more leverage than president biden did in these matters? yeah, i mean, actually i find this very interesting because apparently the chrome factor was pretty much decisive. now what we seen in public is the incoming trump administration, and president biden's administration working hand in hand to get this deal done. but i do think it was fear of trump, that the, as for trevor,

where you want to look at either the source natania yahoo into agreeing to a deal or gave him the political cover from washington that he needed to steamroll up opponents in his security cabinet um no less than steve bannon said that that whole statement that trump made earlier about all hell will break loose if there isn't a deal reached before he comes in the office around and all your ration day was her name that the palestinian wasn't name but her mom, she said it was name button that's on yahoo. and certain is really observers upset the same thing. it was a message to me. yep. them yahoo! that he had to get this deal done. so um and apparently uh of steve with golf, who is uh, from the middle east negotiator give a very tough message to be an attorney, yahoo, when he visited a short time ago along the same lines. so i am persuaded that that trumps intervention threat. shes bluster, which we're all used to, was

a very important factor in getting the ceasefire agreed to. so let me take it a little step further. i mean, you've been a, i've known you for years. you've been a long term analyst, the dispassion to down the list is best i can tell of what's going on in the middle east. why do you think president biden failed of all the power the united states has with a clear financial and military support that united states passwords. israel even modest flirtation with some conditioning of that 8 and support and with the world watching and with judgments about genocide coming out of you know, international court of justice. and that is why did president biden fail? and donald trump, with the, with the, you know, the, as he writes in his weight, even before he became president, succeed so quickly. what's the element of leverage that one have that the other doesn't? well, i think a couple of things are at work here for one thing. i think president biden is a, is a prisoner of this own past. you said a very long series of positions and support of israel. he's been part of what i

think of is the washington consensus on middle east policy, which is very much in favor of supporting israel, which he clearly did to israel's advantage during this entire crisis. but that also made him on willing to break with his own past in his own views when it became apparent, for example, that israel need to be pressured a little bit more decisively um to come to an agreement. um and i think that was, i think that was definitely one problem. the president biden has frequently described himself as a scientist. he's very sympathetic to the israeli people. it was very hard for him to break from that emotional standpoint. and also of course, our political concerns, how this would affect the, the election. and i think that was a factor which they don't like to talk about, but was nevertheless really talk about it for a 2nd. i mean, where did you hear empathy, the sympathy concern for every american voters in president trump statement about

american? it is really hot. i don't, i don't i is there any, is there hope that donald trump is going to be fair and important for their sympathies with a, with whatever they think and end of the war and end of the conflict? greater justice for palestinians is that on donald trump's dashboard, it all as well. i have written before. and i do believe that concern for the palestinians is not going to be a major factor in the 2nd trump administration. it's very clear to me, at least from what happened in the 1st, from the administration, from the questionnaire piece plan, which basically didn't grant palestinians of sovereign state at the end of the negotiations at all to the various steps should. uh, president trump took on to ratify his rarely positions on the goal on heights, moving the u. s. embassy to jerusalem, eliminating the american consulate in east jerusalem, which is the effect of a representative to the palestinian people, are shutting down funding to on rather so many different steps. right? that indicate their words, not overwhelming,

concern about what is going to happen to the palestinian people. i see no reason in particular to believe that this is going to change and the 2nd from administration . but i do believe the president trump can surprise. and that's one of the things that might make some of his best allies in the middle east, including israel, uncomfortable as we've seen with these readings with these negotiations over the ceasefire. right, or outgoing president biden. and his secretary of state anthony blank and have both talked about the palestinian people in your future. we. so let's look at what president biden had to say. the idea that is really is going to be able to sustain itself at the long term without accommodating the palestinian question. it's not going to happen. and in the same vein, this is what former secretary of state anthony blinking had to say is really just the side what relationship they want with the palestinians. that cannot be the illusion. the palestinians will accept being a non people without national rights. 7000000 is rarely jews,

and some 5000000 palestinians are rooted in the same land. neither is going anywhere that is really supposed to band the missed that they can carry out the fact to antics ation without costs and consequence to israel's democracy, to it. standing to it security, so as the statement by president biden and sectors they blinking, just simply pathetic or does it matter to look, i think it does matter and i think they're right about this. and this has been the orthodoxy in washington on the palestinian israeli issue for decades and a previous administrations of pride to solve it. think ironic thing that i find in these statements is the fact that they discovered the palestinian issue only after october 7th. their previous policy towards the origin was based on the trumpet administration's policy, which is follow the abraham accords into a government a government piece making. and you can safely ignore the palestinians and the

sharing. and if you're to, by the way, which we can talk about if you like. um. so they started to park at that point after october 7th. and in game that would involve a palestinian state, tell us getting self determination negotiations to get there. um, but what they didn't do one talking about the 2 state solution is put any details into this. they didn't offer an american proposal to do this. they didn't even name a middle east envoy whose job it was to go and shut up negotiations and talk to both sides. so it seemed to me that this was the elevator music as david ignatius was part of, you know, they was ations of the washington post, exactly on uh, the elevator music that americans play when they're talking about the middle east peace process, but are not terrible that are any credible matter for elevator music, a lot of the by the ministration. i think it's good. and then even before october 7th, national security advisor jake sullivan said, hey there did, there hasn't been a greater period of comp, calm and quiet in that relationship. and then we saw the blow up, but is there

a danger that the hubris of this moment could actually undermine is really security down the the down the road if they don't somehow shift on this question of where palestine and palestinian spit in this equation. yeah, i think that's absolutely right. and you're correct that nothing. yeah. who kept this war going until he achieved some rather dramatic games and we could throw in the overthrow of outside who suddenly found himself with called in a ronnie, an ally. right. who could, who could help him and the russian now i, they didn't show up. absolutely, because they had their own problems. so, so nothing yahoo has achieved some real strategic games. and the old adage is that we've going back 30 years or more. that is a tribute it to the israelis apocryphal aid that you know when we're weak, how can we make peace when we're strong? why should we make peace? and i think that's the situation we find ourselves in. and here's where the administration is, right. i think they, they do risk making

a strategic mistake or if they ignore the palestinian people, ignore their putative error. allies, concerns about having a palestinian state in all the instability that this vacuum can let in down the road. ignoring the palestinian problem, we saw what happened on october 7th, and that was in large part a result of the fact that this was and dealt with. there was no political and game . and if there isn't, no, i do think that by the administration is right. this is going to result in strategic problems and not only complicating the relationships with the error states if they want better security relationships with. but it could actually create instability in close allies right now that they do have relationships with. palestinians are forced into egypt, which is a serious fear of the c c regime if they are forced into, from the west bank into jordan,

which the jordanians are terrified up to key all lice can be the stabilized user to some of the results that i think could come out of ignoring this problem for making it worse. i mean you're talking about a jordan and, and egypt and i've talked with both or the foreign minister of egypt in the past as well as leading officials in jordan. and i said, is there anything in the circumstance that could force you to rip up your peace agreement with israel? both avoided that stepped aside from that, didn't want to counter that, but said at the same time that what both, what is real was doing, but also the displacement of palestinians would be. so at point a completely unacceptable. and you see all these equations and you just said, i wonder, how's it going to work out? you know, because you've got now i don't know if you've seen the pictures of what northern guys it looks like they moved southern gaza, know that's a decimated society. it's not just that at this, at the moment of this show, 46000 people have been killed and who knows how that will grow down the road

because you've got infrastructure. bonaparte, not just tunnels of hamas, but schools, churches, you know, food banks, businesses, you know, wiped out or had the, a guy from the united nations in here, whose job is to sort of look at, you know, the human rights of essentially infrastructure if you know, and and, and almost allison housing and he said, we're not looking at years in terms of the, we're looking at decades print. so i guess in that equation a, how do you, from your perspective, me think that the world is going to come together to begin dealing with some of that element. because if it's not fixed, mark you planting the roots and grievances for whole new waves of instability in the future. yeah, and we've seen this happen again and again and again after the oslo accords essentially collapsed. we saw further waves of terrorism against israel. we've seen repeated exchanges of rockets, fire and airstrikes between hamas and israel all over and over again. and we've

seen repeated efforts by the international community, you know, to muster all these resources and retraining of the palestinian security forces. and all those have gone in cycles intended to peter road and with a disaster of this magnitude. you can easily see how after a few years of throwing money at the gauze, a problem, the into the attentions of the international community are going to go elsewhere. even if the trump administration succeeds in building on it looks like an arrow coalition under un supervision to go in and help restore order in, gosh, i mean syncing you say that could not be missing building block to give trump what he wants, which was a deal with the saudis as well, wouldn't in there coalition that came in large the with that possibly be the platform for a saudi is really deal that could be the platform and that's very important to do. on the other hand, there have to be a serious path to a palestinian state according to what the saudi basically all state a real state. um they might be willing to accept the last state with

a flag and you know police and so on. but something that is continuous and basically self ruling, which is not at all with the as rarely seem to have in mind right now. now there are 2 minds, how rich the israeli newspaper reported a few weeks ago that um chrome principal havent been sold on saudi arabia. uh, indicated privately that he doesn't care at all about the palestinian solution of palestinian people on which i can readily believe a lot of error leaders have of this the more dismissed them in the past until all of a sudden i have to deal with the problem again, with the official salary position is that they do want to see movement towards a 2 state solution. and in fact, one of the last things that tony blinking said is it has to be time limited in other, which we can say in syria, blue cross field mishmash. when the apricots blue, right? which means number, right? it's gotta be something where you can say by such and such

a date. these negotiations will be done and a palestinian state can be in place. i don't see that happening under certain current political circumstance. you see any introspection about the limits of american power. either you know, by the united states, booking, but it's done or is real, i mean, is real set. it was, its goal was to decimate him, us to, to rip some us out. i honestly, my sense as a, as an observer is that is that has not completely happened, but it has happened in significant ways. and so to give of this process some credit at enormous tragic cost on the civilian side. and i don't know, you know, given our own experience of the united states and areas like iraq and afghanistan, that equation between how many, uh, future fighters are, you know, generating in terms of what you're trying to do constructively. so there's that question about, you know, whether they've succeeded in, in designating, come off. but i think that the 2nd part of it is,

at what point is there an inflection point where you've got to begin thinking about mil it, there are real limits to military power. and you think there's any sense of introspect, the introspection or realization of that by either american policy makers or is really policy makers do? i think we've reached that point of a certain amount of introspection on the limits of american power. i mean, some of the comments by tony blinking isn't let in as an atlantic council speech sort of indicated that we can't, we can't do this alone. we can't, we can't use american forces to force a solution. president trump, i think it's very much of the same mind. i don't think, i think the last thing that is a trend would be to use american force to go into even provide peace keepers in a relatively low stress situation. it's so i think there is introspection on the part of several administrations about the limits to american power. i'm concerned that there isn't similar introspection level of israeli policy makers. right now.

they have was some significant strategic victories. as we discussed and prime minister netanyahu, whose career seems to have been somewhat salvaged by pursuing this war to the point that we've, we've seen it now. but i also think it's true that they don't, aside from this vague intention of destroying him osh, they don't have any strategic outcomes in mind. specific goals that they want to achieve. not even for how garza is going to be governed in the coming year. for example, we don't hear any of that from these roads. so i think there is a chance that they could over extend themselves in the region and we could be faced with further strategic challenges with the united states is going to be inevitably drawn into whether it's in syria or iran or elsewhere. let me um, look at your powers of looking into the future on, you know, a couple of elements of the chessboard around is real versus the west bank. and

we've seen, i mean, frankly, a staggering number of killings there and death. there are expansion to further settlements. and whatnot, and, and sort of a greater toxicity in the west bank. mm hm. we have a, were quickly approaching a deadline or a, an expiration date of ceasefire with lebanon. and we have a very new government in syria. so i'd love to get your, your take on whether the situation facing is real right now in the broader middle east is, is becoming more stable, or is potentially still in that tinderbox of potential explosion again, where you sort of potential. and that's how i would describe, but it's potentially more stable. i mean, we really are at kind of, you know, to use the old cliche and inflection point. but middle east always seems to be on selection point of some kind or another. here we are again, as i said, israel has managed to accomplish strategically. um and the last 15 months, and especially in the last 3 months, things that we never thought would be would be possible and given years. so it's

going to take really a droid diplomacy. and some restraint on israel's part to make to take full advantage of this. and it's going to take in gauge month. it's going to take money . it's going to take leadership from the trump administration to bring together international partners to help stabilize each of these situations. i worry that the trump administration is kind of alien to this type of effort that it's going to be require. trump himself, of course, famously tweeted, don't get involved in all caps, referring to syria, they're not our friend, not our flight. well, how do you think he sees the west bank? okay, i'm afraid that he sees the westbank israel's problem to solve. and what we've seen over the last 15 months with the increase in violence, including shuttle or violence and of a better buy these really security services and medications. so something that

a lot of people calling me worry might be a precursor to ethnic cleansing. and the explosion of palestinians. now i don't think perhaps specifically wants to see it, but this could go fairly far down the road before as administration decides to get involved and say no, if it dodge. and that is what really reach me about the current situation. let me just ask you, finally, a charles, many american presidents come to office so that our audience understands who decide they want to be different than their predecessors who do not want to be engaged in certain conflicts. but somehow the world has a way of knocking on their door and saying, you're not going to ignore us, that you're shipping a crisis into the oval office desk. what kinds of challenges do you think might face donald trump? because he said very clearly on any number of crisis, he doesn't see them is america's problems. how long do you think he's going to be

able to stay in that position? i don't think he's going to be able to stay there for very long. i mean, for one thing, i think he would like the allies to take the lead in, in, in the middle east just means israel saudi arabia, united arrow, beverage and so on. but they're suddenly facing challenges with an afghanistan like deterioration, and syria, and the collapse of the ceasefire and 11 on and the come back of his belong a more aggressive and threatening iran, which could certainly happen if they see advantages of these allies are going to come calling on the oval office for help and from can't ignore it, especially since he sees our interest in to a certain extent bound up in military economic and other kinds of ties with the same governments. and they've said we want to strongly support our allies. but that's going to be a real test for them. well, listen, fascinating conversation. former us national security council official, charles done. thank you so much for being with us today. my pleasure to you. so

what's the bottom line? i'm just not going to get rapturous about the possibility of a real ceasefire, yet it treats the politics of this moment. the countless palestinians have been killed and maimed and under siege the dozens of as really hostages, who being held as a single punctuation point. when what would make this real is not a sprint of com that could fall apart, but rather a marathon in the suspension of killing and destruction. that's what we need to see . who monitoring a needs to flow freely and genuine discussions about the future of constructive governance. and we'll, just as an economy for policy needs needs to be baked into this moment. i don't yet believe that this cease fire solves many of the dramatic issues that if that this crisis and if kept it burning, it would be great to lead me to be wrong and to see a new fair and just equal librium between israel and palestine are emerged from these fires, but we just aren't there yet. and that's the bottom line the

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a dot q a the so what you will just bear with me. so robert, in doha, reminder of all the top stories. how about says the keys? this relative, delaying the implementation of the goals of seats 5 times by stopping palestinians from returning to the north of the strip. he's ready for his shots had promised, and he was trying to return home saying that a mazda of failed to meet its obligations. how mos failed to meet it's obligations to 1st release is rarely female. civilian a.